Maybe there is a shred of decency in the media: owner of 62 ABC stations won't air...

[Raceman]

............ Ted Koppel's show on fallen Americans in Iraq, saying it's a political statement thinly disguised as news. This company owns 62 ABC affiliate stations and has blocked the show in all of em. Of course the libs in the media and Congress are already crying foul, and have dug up the fact that the owner of the stations has been a Bush campaign supporter. So what? These people are evidently somewhat conservative and don't like the media's distortion of war news in an election year. Here's the link:

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20040429210809990005

[INXS]

is the wrong show to put it on! It should've been presented by some military people. To think its not to turn opinion against it IS being simple minded, sorry but it seems so obious! Dam, I used that word "IS".:D :D

[Raceman]

Hell, simple mindedness is the problem plaguing most all of the anchors on the network news and 20/20 & 60 Minutes type shows. It also plagues Hollywood and if the Dixie Chix are any indication is invading Nashville too. (Course Natalie is way past simple mindedness and into total brain colapse in my opinion)

What's wrong with all these people? I can't believe it's residue from early drug abuse in Rather/Jennings/Koppel/Charlie Gibson/Leslie Stahl, etc, etc, etc............ yet they all seem to suffer from the same mental deficiencies. Do the networks get these people in and do some kind of intense programming on their brains? I don't see any lobotomy scars on their foreheads.

[Trikki1010]

That scar would be through their wallets;)

SOLD

Whatever happened to SUPPORT OUR TROOPS

All this "real time media" is still so selective. Like Rodney King, they show you his ass getting kicked in the last bit, but fail to show the first bit where King goes crazy, especially in the courts too.....AND a crackhead became a media star.....DUH

Koppel has been a puppet for years. If the networks ever cut his strings, he'd fall face first so fast his mop would pop from his top:D

Today the media is an all powerful conglomerate. It is basically a closed network. Yeah, your LOCAL provider may carry, but try to get syndicated. They are derisive to the point of dictating the news. Current puppets do as the networks demand. NEWS PUPPETS are the worse form of force feeding opinion. Their general appeal to the MAJORITY of the citizens of this country, is that they represent the majority:confused:

NOW, if ya think the media is fair.....

As to the Dixie Chixs, they need to file for stupidity. To make that statement on foreign sole was irresponsible and they PAID for it dearly. They've been kissing ass for over a year. The MEDIA, on the other hand, stepped in like a red headed step child, and spearheaded the publicity that made all americans stop buying their cd's and almost chilled their carreers. THAT was important, and THAT was a political message. NOT to stop dissing Bush, but to bring it to your attention, that American opinion was that Bush sucked......

Or was everyone here looking for Dixie Chix Bootlegs from the concert ;)

I'm sure there were other pressing issues to deside to air that day, I enjoyed more about "Cowpie Bingo"

Let's take an "inside" look into broadcasting :mad: ;)

[Fish]

2 words as to Kople's REAL motivations...

Sweeps Week.


with regard to the alleged torture incidents, way to make a truly distasteful thing even worse.
:mad:

Much respect and honor to the families and fallen heroes

[Jay R.]

I watched a little of that last night to see how he was gonna do it. he ran through them so quickly it was obviously just for numbers and ratings. I still havn't seen the USA todays paper. but i think that would be more approprate. I hope the got a little more info on the fallen soldiers than kopel did. you can't honor someone for giving their life by reading thier name and posting a picture of them with their rank name and age for 10 seconds. I beleave we should know the names and the storys, i thinks it's only fair and respectful. i almost lost it when i saw black hawk down in the theater and people got up and left when they put the names of the fallen soldiers on the screen.

[INXS]

when asked if he first asked the families if it would be OK with them or if they would like to come on the show. And also why the fallen from the Afgan. war were not included! And it just happened to be aired on the first anniversary of Bushs claimming "mission Accomplished". And you libs say their's no media bias.

PS, I just heard kerrys lic. plate # is "Purple heart 3".

[MirageSmack]

JayR, you really can't expect Ted to have a story for each soldier can you? That show would still be going on. My dad was a war veteran. His tombstone merely states his name, dates and rank. There is no story to be told. I assume they were all heroes by merely being there. Their stories are the same. They went and they died. I agree though, a spread in the national papers would be nice also.

INXS, of course this show was done on the one year anniversary. When else would you do it? On the 294 day anniversay? Sept 11 also had a TV show of the same ilk, also done on the 1 year anniversay. It makes sense actually. Also, why do they have to ask the families. If he did, great, but he said it was more to get the facts staright, like correct pronunciation etc. Some may have stated their opposition though, because several did not have pictures, which were supplied by the military. I assume the families asked them to pull them, otherwise the military would have a pic, right? These people were probably in the papers in their hometowns when they were killed. Louisville deaths have been, along with Fort Camble and Ft Knox, which is just a few miles down the road. Is that a political statement also?

I agree with you though about Afghanistan. Are they not worthy of note because we haven't declared war on the country?

[INXS]

Mission accomplished was just meant as a welcome home gesture for the people that were coming home! Not for a specific date or complete victory!

[Jay R.]

mirage smack, when i said their "stories" i didn't mean what happened. And im a little offended by the " they went and died is their story" bit. but i don't think you ment it the way it sounds. what i think should be told is something small something like
"Gunnery sargent John Smith, USMC. 27 years old leaves behind his wife and two sons in austin, Texas." just something along those lines. if all ted could do with the time allowed was read names really fast then he sholdn't have done it. I know "USA today" did it as their front page yesterday. has anyone seen it?

[MirageSmack]

No, I personally haven't seen the USA today. I thought you were saying they should do it.

As for my comment, it isn't offensive at all. I could add flowery words and stretch it out, but the facts are all I need to know. These people are heroes because of two things. 1. They went 2. They died. I worship the ground they walk on, referring to one who has given their life for their country. Smack

[MirageSmack]

The same was essentially said by Pat Tillmans' family. His death was no more or less heroic than anyone else who has died overseas.

[CDave]

And AOL/Time Warner are Kerry contributors. But you don't see that in the "news" do ya.

[Jay R.]

I ment saying it's as simple as they went and they died. these people are not robots. many of them were 19 and 20 years old.
thers more to their lives and their stores than "they went and they died" is that all their is to your fathers life?

[MirageSmack]

I think we are over anaylizing the same thing from different angles.

I know they all have stories. But I think listing all that info is sensationalizing their lives, which is exactly what you are opposed to. It will only garner more simpathy, and that is viewed as a anti war feeling for some reason. I am trying to convey that all I NEED to know about these people is that they took the time to fight for us, and to die for us. Knowing that alone, I have the utmost resepct for them. I don't need to know anything else. Having said that, I would love to know more about them. I have heard the story of the non citizen fighting for America, plus a few others. Regardless, ones political leaning affects peoples view on this thing. I am not pro rep or dem. I thought about neither party during this show. It never crossed my mind until I got on S&F.

BTW, my father only wanted his rank on his tombstone. He did not want a quote, devoted father husband etc, He thought that was all BS. He is in a military cemetary and only wants to be know in that regard. Maybe I get it from him.

[sho305]

Raceman, I saw Diane Sawyer one morning hawking a video from a schoolbus. In the video a 17 yr old was beating on a seated 14 yr old the way they described it. Kids looked to have winter clothing on. She went on and on about how terrible it was and how the 17 yr old was going to get charged for it! She said the 14 yr old made fun of the 17 yr old's laugh apparently to start it. Me, I laughed myself right out of the chair!!:D That was a daily occurence on my bus, and you sure don't give a senior crap when you were less than a senior; unless you were really stupid or really big for your age. Half my rural school would have been in jail according to Diane, what a joke. Are they kids or robots?

Ted K is the liberal voice the way I see that show.

[MirageSmack]

Were you on the short bus or something? If that was a daily occurence, I feel sad for you. Any 17 yo who beats on a 14 is a wuus anyway. Maybe he'll get that treatment back when he's in prison.

Oddly enuff, D Sawyer went to school at Seneca high school, about 3 miles from my house. I don't know about when she went there, but there is a lot of rough stuff happening at that school nowadays. Smack

[MirageSmack]

was a joke by the way.

[sho305]

The big kids always kept the little kids inline. They never hurt anyone that much, just was the way it was. Ask them why I had to ride 50+ minutes each way? Talk about boring. I could drive myself in 15 minutes. The bus driver would stop and everyone would sit down. Sometimes I wish I would have rode the short bus, jeez I hated that ride, hated were it was going to also. Just 100% boring all day. When you got big enough you hit them back and they quit. Maybe I lived around a bunch of wierd kids?lol:D

[tripledude]

The Chicago Tribune has daily in-depth articles on the GI's killed in Iraq. A little about their history, aspirations and families. You could probably go to the Trib's website and take a look. Sho, My folks moved to Detroit back in the early 60's. First day at the new school (Which was Kindergarden thru 9th grade. I was in 8th), you were approached by a group of the "tough guys." Looking back, I remember all of them lookin' a bit like Fonzie. Waterfall haircuts, pointy Flagg Brother's shoes, etc. If you passed the test, you were okay. I passed. Then I became part of the welcome wagon. I set up a deal with a new kid, Roger Munsmeister. His mom made the greatest tuna sandwiches and always packed him two. He could only eat one so I always got the second.

[Raceman]

"Oddly enuff, D Sawyer went to school at Seneca high school, about 3 miles from my house."

Hahaha, that explains a lot. I'm sittin' here wonderin' if there's somethin' in the water up there.:D :D :D

[Trikki1010]

You mean over there ;)

Don't go up too far :D :D

[MirageSmack]

Too far South...Too far North...they're both whack!!!!!

Middle of the country is where it's at baby!!

[sho305]

Wack? I was surfing the other day and here is that Louis Farrakon(?) guy on there. I only kind of know who he is, so I suffer through a few minutes of his sermon to see what he is saying. For a bit I thought he was reading some speech from the 60s, but then he starts ragging on Kerry for voting no on reparations...I didn't know if I should laugh or cry for this guy, in fact I don't even know where to start addressing some of the stuff he was saying. So I had to turn the channel:) It was C-span, and they kept showing people nodding their heads to what he was saying...funny as they usually don't show close ups on the audience. That was some strange stuff for sure. Kept saying most wars were started by conspiracies like Iraq was, though he said not a word about the civil war here...pretty wild point of view.

[Trikki1010]

The ONLY reason Farrakan hasn't been shot, is nobody wants a holiday named after him :eek:

[sho305]

The funny part is, if I believed half of what he said the first thing I would want to do is buy a ticket out of this forsaken hellhole!

Why do these people have the need to live in constant misery? I guess anyone can find a nitche audience for their particular raving, but even the mass media stays away from him.

[J Lamb]

farrakan is just nukkin futs, even too much for the regular media. It all fits though, everytime somebody gets killed in Iraq it's on the news. ELECTION YEAR!! Just more junk to make Bush look bad. More GI's were killed in one day on D-Day than a whole year in Iraq. And I guess they have just forgotten the guys in Afghanistan. Not knocking our boys just all the bad press anymore. I try not to even watch or listen the liberal news anymore, just too full of chit. Always a left wing agenda behind the story.

[sho305]

That worthless senate! I caught a little c-span and dem after dem was just ragging on the 'Bush Administration and its veil of secrecy' being responsable for the Iraqi prisoner mistreatment stuff. What time-wasting a-holes! Just what the f does the Prez have to do with a POW prison in Iraq??? That is what, 50 levels of management off into the military and below the Prez?? He don't run the military anyway, jfc. Unbelievable! More time wasting hot air bs from the idiot gallery. Me! Me! ME! I get to be on camera today!!! I'm sure glad they don't have anything more important to do, like run this country or somethin'.:rolleyes: I'm sure someone will get reamed for that without the help of the US senate who has nothing else to do but yabber & blabber, while other unattended issues cost Americans millions a day.

Why are senators competing with the news media?

[MirageSmack]

You must not have watched it all Sho because the Republicans were pretty pissed too. I don't think they expect Bush to know about every POW, but this problem has existed since January. I think people are suprised that we knew we were torturing prisoners since January and the administration was ignoring it, hoping that it would go away. That just looks bad. I don't hold Bush personally responsible, but it makes the administration looks weak, or it even has the smell of a coverup of sorts. This makes the whole USA looks bad, and may even lead to more US deaths because of it.

I would hope there is a cort-martial involved here. Whoever allowed this to be photographed and recorded needs to be shot.

[Trikki1010]

Only CRITICS cast stones while things are happening....

Get the job done first, then all the pantywaists can complain.

Has there been any report on the handling of OUR prisoners, OH THAT'S RIGHT, THEY JUST BURN YA AND HANG YA FROM A BRIDGE:mad:

[sho305]

I just don't think it is their place to be waisting time on it. The military people I worked with told me you don't get away with something like that unless there is a real good reason. It will get handled, if not then they can complain. They are not the world police, they are policy makers of the US, and policy is what they try not to do. Heck I wanted healthcare to stop hogging my paycheck many years ago, while here they are screaming they want to meet with the military by the end of the same week! What about me you ^@#@$s. I want that 18% increase a year cut by the end of NEXT week. Does anyone think they would have gotten a raise if their employer was not blowing over $100 a week on healthcare for them? Near double that for kids too? And that is just your paycheck, not what you pay to others. What about the old Americans that are dying and eating dog food because they can't afford drugs and medical??? Is that just a liberal bs story then? Stuff they let go for years, even decades, and here they are in a day or two screaming bloody murder when those in charge have not even delt with it yet or nobody even knows the whole story.

I think they need to serve US citizens first, screw everyone until they take care of those who pay the bills. It sure aint my fault they are largely inept. I voted and they don't do what they are supposed to. When they get their eggs in a group they can go mess in other business.

I certainly am not saying what supposedly went on is right, I'm just saying congress sould do their jobs here instead of all this grandstanding. Bunch of TV actor wannabees I guess. The next thing they will be acting like those nuts in England, and yelling like 10 year olds all the time...and they say they are proper, right.:rolleyes:

No doubt, I sure didn't see the senate on TV when our guys got hung and chopped up???? Double standards anyone? Just who do you work for? If you are going to crap on me, why must you shove it in my face also...it is a little much. We are not dealing with Americans over there, they are a little different. I wonder how many thousands of lawyers are fighting to get a case for those prisoners at this very moment? FYI, Iraq is outside of the funland borders...

[sho305]

I saw some of the senate thing, and just saw the nightline about Rumsfeld. It was not that bad suprisingy, but was the weekend edition too. I think a large part of this is for the Arab media, and to show them how things work here. It is not like they would care if a hundred of their prisoners got wacked, but it shows how we do things here. Certainly could be the reason behind the rush, since lives of our guys(gals too) are on the line here thanks to the media.

I laughed at Kennedy and Pelosi wanting Rumsfeld out. Pelosi, is she not the one who wanted to allow illegal aliens into a federal building so they could get an ID to vote for her? I can't even fathom a citizen wanting illegals to vote in the USA let alone a politician that is there to serve...but things are not the same in Cali as here. However I really fail to see how the Secretary of Defense is connected to a prison guard(s) who screws up. That is like trashing the CEO of Pepsi because a local Pepsi truck driver destroyed your car. I can't believe anyone in charge there would have any part of it anyway considering the obvious repercussions that are now happening.

IMHO congress don't need to know about nothing. They leak stuff they should not, and more importantly they don't get nothing done so they should not be allowed to do other things. Even McCain was on nightline saying "congress is more poisoned and partitian(sp?) than ever before." I swear Kennedy would gun down all the republicans in a drunken rage if he could get away with it...the way he talks.

One thing the head CIA guy said really makes me think: He said "This is a problem with character and leadership, not training." I can't count how many times military guys told me when Clinton was in the military went to hell, and all the good guys left...todays leaders. Well, how about it military guys, could that be a factor?