Mirage Boats

[Dan Law]

Who builds Mirage boats these days? Is it still Mike Mullins?
I also thought there was a Mirage Boats web site?
Also is their a big difference between a Mirage river racer and a STV river rocket when driving the boats?

[Raceman]

This subject always heats up opinions when it comes up, and we've done it a bunch before, but..........

I've had both a Mirage Jaguar and 3 STV Mod VP's, 2 of which I still have and the third is owned locally by a close friend who's has a good bit of experience in both Mirages and STV's. I believe the STV is not only faster, but less flighty.

As far as I know, Mullins still owns the molds and the legal right to build em under the Mirage name. We don't hear a lot out of him, and rumor had it a while back that he was paying some boat manufacturer to build em from his molds rather than directly handling it himself. I don't know if that's true or not, but never saw it contradicted when it was posted previously.

The Mirage I had was built by Brad Collins in Texas and was a well built product. I don't know if the present level of quality lives up to the previous standards which were high.

As far as the website, the last thing that was posted here was that Sam Baker was running it and he had some disagreement with Mullins and pulled the plug. Again, I don't know that firsthand or any of the details, so you can just take it as rumor.

[Dan Law]

Wow, that was a fast and response with all the info. Thanks

If what you said is right does that mean that the Liberator boats version of the mirage is the more popular one out their right now.

[MODVP22]

Yes, Mike Mullins still owns the rights to Mirage and builds them. He does have some of the work sub-contracted out, I'm not sure how much exactly. I have one of his boats now. I've had both Mirage and STV, but I'm forced to keep my honest opinion quiet.

[mendo]

C'mon tell me. I won't tell anyone.:D

Mendo

[Adam McKeon]

The Liberator 18 Stealth is a nicely built boat ! Especially if Randy ( wildman) rigs it.. Light wieght and true lines. I have yet had the oppertunity to drive one but am very anxcious! I looked at the one Randy brought to the event near Orlando. ( cant remember the name of the lake )

[WILDMAN]

I've got two new Liberators

[Steve Zuckerman]

As some one who's owned several Mirages, I can tell you if you can find a '95 to early '97 Collins/Texas Mirage, you will be very happy with it.
The '95 and newer boats have a hull that works well with moderate to big (300+) power. Nothing wrong with the earlier boats if they are in good shape and you're staying under 280ish HP.
If you are buying new, also check out Full Throttle (Jax, FL), STV/
Triad, and Wildman's Liberators. LPB makes a nice looking STV knockoff, but I've never seen or driven one in person, and therefore cannot comment on their quality.
Regards,
Steve;)

[ProComp]

After you owned such a beauty Triad RiverRocket, I can't see anything but another one meeting your needs!
If ya need more room, look at a Euro. There are some nice pics of new ones on www.stvowners.com

Nice!

[SAMMY CORLEY]

I gotta comment on da Mullins built Mirages. I have 2 one is a 98 River racer I bought used from a local guy da build quality is fine although mine is a heavy layup, but da gelcoat quality is another story min stays in a garage when not in use an it looks terrible, looks like its 20 years old I can find noy=thin wrong with da speed or handlein the other is a q-master I bought from Mike Mullins himself an don't think gel is very good on it either. If I were gonna buy again I'd hafta buy an STV from Wally his gel an build quality is second to none. That's all I gotta say about dat



Sanny in S.C.

[Fish]

Wildman definitely makes sure quality is job 1. If you are getting ready to lay down some $$ for a mirage, I would check out randy's liberators while doing your shopping. If I remember correctly, I think I read that the layups are in the 500lb +/- range.

Fish

[Dan Law]

I had a 93 STV that I think is in California now it was blue and white with a black and pink stripe. I also had a 96 Triad V-21 and a STV river rocket from wally. Both of these boats were the nicest boats I could ever ask for. I think I may need more room when I do get a new one sometime here. That yellow and blue Euro on STVowners.com is awesome. I like the option for the bench in the back since I have 3 kids. I am probably looking at a good 9 months before I order anything. I would like to have it by summer of 2005. Does anyone know what Wally is lookin for on a Fully set up euro with a 280. Does he do the full set up ready to fly or do I have to go to a dealer?

[TNT]

ive driven all the different Mirages and stv's and i won't own an stv

[ProComp]

YOUR LOSS!

[TNT]

No, not my loss. I don't like getting splashed in the face everytime I hit even a small jetski wave. We run rivers, and there are many times people cut you off, or pull in front of you, and I don't like how the STV try to "swap ends" when you have to get out of the throttle fast, it's not so easy to just not let off fast when things happen. The Mirage rides way nicer.

[MODVP22]

your loss :rolleyes: don't even get me started :rolleyes:

[Raceman]

"I don't like getting splashed in the face everytime I hit even a small jetski wave. We run rivers, and there are many times people cut you off, or pull in front of you, and I don't like how the STV try to "swap ends" when you have to get out of the throttle fast, it's not so easy to just not let off fast when things happen. The Mirave rides way nicer."


It's amazing how every time these threads get started, somebody starts posting BS like this. I've never had an STV wet me in the face and the swapping ends thing is equally pure BS. I've driven both an STV and a Mirage faster than I'm comfortable doing anymore, and I don't think there's any substantial difference between the two when you jump out of the throttle. Posting an opinion is one thing, but putting up purely erroneous information just so y'all can throw yet another slam at STV based on personal vendetta is un-called for.

[TNT]

im sry but when u get out of the throttle the stv is all over the place

[MODVP22]

Raceman,
Your MODVP boat has a different cockpit. I've never been in an STV that wasn't a wet ride..ProComp, River Rocekt, or Euro, and that's a FACT from the first one I rode in as a kid. Also, everyone knows it, it's not big secret, let out of the throttle fast on an STV, you're going to regret it. I willing admit I did it the first time I drove one due to a large wake approaching. I'm not the only one here, it's not BS by anymeans, and I'll challange anyone to that on the water anyday of the week. That's why we changed the bottom of ours.

[tunnelmike]

I've had 2 and both have wet me. Ask Sid Vicious about toys for tots, He got soaked. In Mirage's defense any tunnel would have taken water in that siuation. Almost all Pickleforks will wet you in the same situations.
River Racers seem to carry the nose higher and less likely to toss water.

[JohnBoy]

MODVP22, I have to call you on that load of BS!! I have never seen a experienced STV driver have problems if he gets out of it quick.

John Smith

[rottenbrock]

Originally posted by MODVP22
Raceman,
Your MODVP boat has a different cockpit. I've never been in an STV that wasn't a wet ride..ProComp, River Rocekt, or Euro, and that's a FACT from the first one I rode in as a kid. Also, everyone knows it, it's not big secret, let out of the throttle fast on an STV, you're going to regret it. I willing admit I did it the first time I drove one due to a large wake approaching. I'm not the only one here, it's not BS by anymeans, and I'll challange anyone to that on the water anyday of the week. That's why we changed the bottom of ours.


whole lotta BS here. bring it on

[ProComp]

On my Euro, if I have the engine too high and am running with basically the whole boat out of the water then it is a bit of handful when you let off. Lower the motor to around 3/4" above and you have no problems.

The Mirage probably doesn't do it because its always dragging the back of the boat and crabbing and therefore always tracking in the water. The proof is how the bow rides higher than an STV. The STV can run so flat at speed you can pull the whole boat out of the water with the engine too high.

Go watch some of the video's in the gallery if you don't believe me. The proof is there as you have STV footage and Mirage footage.

For guys who complain about that fine mists that occures twice a summer when you have the motor trimmed to low, go out and buy yourself and nice big ass Bayliner with a windshield and quit whining!

ProComp

[rottenbrock]

:p

[stokernick]

here we go again,now I suppose we have to hear about the rebuild:mad: :mad: Can`t handle it,don`t drive it:p :p

[MODVP22]

nope, Stokernick no one said a word about anything along those lines, so quit stiring the pot:D I know you want to mess with me, glad you think about me so much
JohnBoy,
Perhaps you should read my post before you start you comments, I CLEARY stated it was my first time driving one! Ya know, I sat there and tried it over and over again in Parker Rabe's RiverRacer last spring and gee..it wouldn't do that, imagine that. But when experienced drag racers tell me the same thing has happened to them, I know I'm not crazy.

Rottenbrock, aweful lot of talk for a guy that gets smoked my JohnBoy all the time.

I'm not splitting hairs with Raceman, he and I have discussed this topic and many like it in the past as civilized human beings. Just because someone doesn't agree with your point of view from an experience doesn't mean they are full of BS.

BTW, I love how Brock and John boy come running with there mouth open when I post something..glad to know I have that control of you guys :p

[rottenbrock]

:p

[JohnBoy]

MODVP You can't control an STV, your mouth and definately me. :p :p

John Smith

[1BadAction]

I was told by a guy who has had stv boats since i was singing vanilla ice songs, that in regards to a tunnel boat YOU EITHER HAVE AN STV, WANT AN STV, OR ARE RIDING IN A WANNA BE STV I dont even have one, and from some of these replies, i can tell that statement is the gods honest truth!

mod vp- i feel your pain- you changed the bottom on YOUR boat, because it was a piece of ****, you got screwed over on the deal. Join the club bro. truthfully, because of what happened to you, and other deals that i have seen, i would rather swim than buy another used boat.

i aint afraid to state the facts, but some people cant get involved in BS like this thread. i know they are lookin at this and probably laughing their ass off!

[MTCM]

Originally posted by ProComp
The Mirage probably doesn't do it because its always dragging the back of the boat and crabbing and therefore always tracking in the water.

My POS Mirage don't drag it's ass.......it drags MY ass. :D

[Steve Zuckerman]

Guys,
Regardless of whatever boat you own or prefer, and we all have different preferences, I think we can keep this conversation objective and friendly.
Dan just asked for some information regarding Mirages, not a pissin' contest :rolleyes: ...............
I've driven and raced both STVs and Mirages, and they are both great boats. They both are much easier to drive, and safer than a
similarly performing pad vee. I've done that too, and the pad boats have their place, particularly for high perf fishing, and running in rough water.
What I look for in boats is performance, build quality, and looks.
The first 2 are fairly objective, the latter is more subjective.
At one time this was a pretty level playing field. Now I think the nod goes to Triad/STV.
I'm certainly not knocking (particularly the Collins) Mirage. I've been very pleased with all of mine. Right now, it seems that Wally is more concerned with build quality and innovation, than the current ownership at Mirage.
Regards,
Steve;)

[ProComp]

I was simply commenting based on watching them run. Don't take offense. Jason Huber's Mirage is up there with some of the nicest boats I've ever seen.

ProComp

BTW - my comment did not include "POS" anywhere. :)

[Dutch]

Steve, a quote like that about the current owner of Mirage
could make you one of ModVP's mortal enemies. Good luck
with that one! My Euro ski was faster on top end with the
same engine than my Ski racer was. I think they were both
easy to drive, but in a different way. I liked both boats, the
main reason I switched to the euro was for the room.

[MODVP22]

JohnBoy,
yes, you're right, I can't control you..thank god. So just stay in my rooster tail and out of my way :D

1BadStream, Thank you for that comment. Although I don't 100% agree with the wish had one, want one, etc. I value what you have to say and that you keep your compsure unlike many others here. To be honest, if Iwere going to get an STV (which I won't, my personal preference) I'd want one that Triad has built, from what I've seen their Gel work and construction looks better than some of the Summerford stuff, and much better than some of the other company(I forget their name). I'm glad someone like Stve Z can be objective here like I tried.

In all seriousness, I could care less who buys what boat, it's just the simple point that people like JohnBoy and Brock THINK they can muscle someone around and THINK they are really something, and I'm stuborn enough to not back down :D

[Steve Zuckerman]

Mod VP is friend of mine. He has a Mirage, and like a lot people on the board he's loyal to the brand he prefers. Nothing wrong with that. That describes about 90% of the people I know, whether the conversation is about boats, cars, trucks, or bikes.
I had great luck with all my Mirages. My comment only concerns buying a new boat from current ownership, and certainly does not reflect on the quality of the Collins Mirages. They are great boats, and their high resale reflects that.
Regarding the Mullins boats, they too can be made into nice boats. This one ran pretty well, and due to to my and my painter's
efforts,won the Hot Boat wild paint contest:cool: :D a few years back. Wish I still had it. It was the coolest lake boat I've ever owned, and I've had a few:rolleyes:...........
Regards,
Steve;)

[Scott Gilmore]

I've driven and raced both STVs and Mirages, and they are both great bosts. They both are much easier to drive, and safer than a
similarly performing pad vee. I've done that too, and the pad boats have their place, particularly for high perf fishing

I must say, your comments about pad vee boats are COMPLETE & TOTAL BULL**** !! Scott :confused:

[Steve Zuckerman]

Scott,
Thanks for your input. You and your vast experience can always be counted on for some objective information.
Please feel free to chime in with your opinions anytime. We all hold you in high regard:rolleyes:.................
FYI, I've owned 3 Bullets, 2 Allisons, 2 Checkmates, 2 Bajas, 1 Nordic, 1 Hawaiian and some others I've probably forgotten about, all pad vees.
For racing and 100+ MPH lake hot rodding, I'll take the tunnel every time. For high perf fishing, I'll take the pad vee every time. They both have their place. I've blown out in pad boats over 100, and it's usually assholes and elbows when it happens. The tunnel boats don't chine walk, and are much more blow out resistant.
Conversely, the tunnel bass boats were a bust. They didn't carry weight well, and rode roughly.
I'm sure you know more about this subject than the rest of us, so please tell us what your preferences are and why.
Regards,
Steve ;)

[Dan Law]

I really doesn't take much to rile up the crowd. Its all in fun anyway and some information is quite interesting. I have to say though That Yellow and Blue Euro is pretty sweet! You guys are all great with lots of good info and I thank you all for it. Oh and Steve your old Mirage was awesome!

[Scott Gilmore]

I said YOUR comments about pad vee boats, I didn't say anything about "the rest of us" . I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks your "easier to drive & safer" observation was total crap...........In fact, people with just a LITTLE bit more seattime & knowledge than you might have !! I could give a **** less that you don't "hold me in high regard" . Admit it.......your statement about pad vee boats was wrong ! Scott
:)

[WILDMAN]

HMMMMMMM! I see.

[WaterBoy]

I'm gonna say this, I'm a Mirage owner myself, Now, I currently own a 97 river racer, previously, I owned a 94 Skiracer. If your after room inside the boat. I would go with the Euro. I've seen them and they do have more room than the Skiracer. My thoughts.

I'm not trying nor getting into this pissing match over these types of boats. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

Waterboy

[Steve Zuckerman]

Scott,
I've been driving vee hulls since 1976, when I built my first pad vee when I was in college. Hmm forgot about that one, that makes 12 I've owned. With the exception of that old fart Raceman, I've probably got more miles of water under the pad than most (Raceman, just kiddin' you old fart).
The point I was making was not a dig at a pad vees. I actually prefer them for their weight carrying and rough water ride capabilities. Both of those are assets for high performance bass boats. If you like pad vees more than tunnels, more power to you.
My good friend and fellow racer Eric S, a diehard Allison devotee,
will tell you that the vee hull is A. harder to drive, and B. more susceptible to blowout. That doesn't mean they can't be driven, nor does it mean they aren't fast, because they can be, and they are.
It is fun and exciting to master driving pad boats. I've been doing it for 28 years, and I enjoy watching my fellow racers who choose to race them, hang them on the ragged edge. Eric S, Bobby W, and Rich S come to mind here.
Here's the big picture:
Would you rather have a boat who's handling quirks you have to cover? Or, would you rather have a boat that covers YOUR ASS :rolleyes:? I'll take the boat that covers my ass, when racing. You will probably do things the hard way, and that's what makes America great.
Oh yeah, who the f-ck is fudgepusher, er squarepusher?
Regards,
Steve ;)

[Scott Gilmore]

Ok, I agree with your last post. I just took exception to the not as safe & harder to drive part. As for quirks & safety ANY 100mph+ boat has them, I guess people need to choose which they think is safer, blowout or blowover. As for seat time........I'm SUPER old & have more than my share. I'm pretty sure I own one of the blowout kings of all time (SS2000) & I've had a few really violent ones but I must say it's always been my own fault (driver error and/or poor setup). Mirage or STV.......MAN I've had alot of them beatup on me really bad, but I just don't think they're "safer/easier to drive" boats. But whatever, that's just my opinion . Squarepusher is electronica/fusion music done by mastermind Tom Jenkinson, buy some (if you can find it). Or email me & I'll send you a few copies of his CD's. Buy the way, I remember the Bullet you had for sale & was in the reader rides section of Hot Boat a few years back....it was THE BEST looking Bullet I've EVER seen ! Scott:D

[stoker2001]

Originally posted by Raceman
"I don't like getting splashed in the face everytime I hit even a small jetski wave. We run rivers, and there are many times people cut you off, or pull in front of you, and I don't like how the STV try to "swap ends" when you have to get out of the throttle fast, it's not so easy to just not let off fast when things happen. The Mirave rides way nicer."


It's amazing how every time these threads get started, somebody starts posting BS like this. I've never had an STV wet me in the face and the swapping ends thing is equally pure BS. I've driven both an STV and a Mirage faster than I'm comfortable doing anymore, and I don't think there's any substantial difference between the two when you jump out of the throttle. Posting an opinion is one thing, but putting up purely erroneous information just so y'all can throw yet another slam at STV based on personal vendetta is un-called for. i have owned a 86 stv center steer and drove a 96 four seat racer (not euro) and both boats would mist over the bow.no biggy but can be annoying wiping your glasses all the time.i do own a 97 mirage river racer now,but as far as handling,acceleration and top speed i think stv is just as good

[rottenbrock]

roflmao :p a picture truly is worth a thousand words:p

[Skittles]

Well that picture sure explains alot:rolleyes: .

[1BadAction]

LOL

[Firestarter]

All tunnel boats mist, it is a trait that cannot be avoided.
As for getting out of the throttle in an STV, I have lost blades, propshafts, ECU's, throttle brackets, reeds, rods, you name it at VERY high speeds, and never once had a problem. I have about a dozen friends with STV's, half are 120 plus boats, none have had a single problem getting out of the gas... EVER.
I have been in a few mirages, and they frankly scare me. I always felt uneasy, it is way to flighty for me. As far as the Allisons go, I love em, but what Steve Z said is dead right. I currently have 2 Vee bottom boats, good in the rough and fun to drive.

Lastly I have not heard of to many 120+ Mirages, and I can't count how many STV's are there.

RT

[Liqui-Fly]

two young broke ass Jr's should be giving anybody advice on where to spend their money. Not to mention I may be saving you guys a lot of grief. Now that folks know what they're dealing with they probably won't bother. As for my boat why do you care what intetests me or what my personal tastes are? You don't see me trying to convince the World that my rig is the greatest, fastest, or best looking on the planet.

Oh yeah....you failed cut and paste class.

David

[ProComp]

Hey Dan, what was it ya wanted to know?

ProComp

[Liqui-Fly]

This isn't the best picture of me...the sun is in my eyes...but here's my beautiful family i MY ultra sweet, ultra rare sweet ass Stratos.

[Liqui-Fly]

I actually thought your little brother was your father who was sending me nasty PM's. Sorry... Dude give it up.

Not to mention I sdaid keep me posted on what races you're going to cause I'd like to have a talk with you.


David

[Liqui-Fly]

Go take your meds too.

See you at the races!!

David

[Skittles]

Originally posted by MODVP22
I will get the law involved. :D
***!!!!!!:rolleyes:

[rottenbrock]

Originally posted by Liqui-Fly
Hey peanut I spent 4 year in the US Marine Corps and sorry my hairstlye isn't the biggest item on my list. I guess if I was 4 foot two and broke I'd pay more attention. You and your little brother are freaking delusional and I suggested to you months ago that you tone down your bravado.

You two say things like "I would never buy" or "I tried this one and that one". Your stupid pin head brother have any idea why an STV bows the way it does when you get off the gas. You guys are mere boys and you try to spend your days posing as something you aren't other than a mouthpiece for a washed up boat company. So when you no longer live at home and aren't supported by your parents...maybe then you can tell people to go to mommy or where you'd spend your money.

David

worth a quote. posers lol :p

[MODVP22]

Which races are you going to back out of? I'll be there with both boats. Hit the roids crackhead

ProComp, I don't believe anything mean or degrading was aimed toward you in any of my posts.

[MODVP22]

hey Quarterpounder, YOu're the one playing with little boys down there...Guess it takes one to accuse one

[Liqui-Fly]

Quartershot has people that speak with him and how his boat runs and how he drives. He's been to events with his boat and has interacted with people. You talk all this trash and nobody has ever seen you in a boat. My God dude you can't possibly be this delusional.

I will just be there to watch. I don't have enough experience to be a good racer. What do you think I'm going to race my Stratos. That would be like running a Mirage in Super Stock.
David

[Skittles]

Been talkin with fruitboy and Bobby I see. Now those 2 are are a fountain of useful information. I can see why you guys get along........clueless.

[ProComp]

Nor did I, post edited. Was just having a little fun but this is out of hand as usual. I'm outta here, but please keep going as I am laughing my ass off with this stuff.

ProComp

[Liqui-Fly]

Afraid he's going to sue you?

David

[1BadAction]

this is getting good...

[Liqui-Fly]

I lower myself time and time again to try and help these idiots see the light but I give up. Some people just have zero grip on reality. Well he's Mr racer this and Mr racer that....we'll see what the year brings. They do enough damage themselves...I should probably just watch them sink.

David

[rmh77]

:D :D

[MODVP22]

ProComp, Thank you, and I see at least you have some intergrity. Fly I don't know where you are getting your pics and info from, but I raced our RiverRocket at the Rumble on the River last year. Get your facts straight. here (http://www.screamandfly.com/home/event_coverage/rumble_on_the_river_2003/images/racing/94.jpg) Infact, Firewalker and BobA helpd me fix a plugged set of injectors for it. Some other decent people who were there that you obviously never checked with. BTW, who ever said Iwas going to run a Mirage in SuperStock? I said I was putting together a Super Stock motor (glad you're watching everything I do) but I don't recall EVER saying I was going to race ODBA superstock class with a Mirage of any sort. Remove your head from your arse and you might see that.

Let it be known Fly, as my father and I sit here an laugh at how stupid you really are, why don't you FINALLY put up or shut up..that's right, don't back down. Come to and event this season, you and me, or you and my dad, or you and my bro, in your Stratos you re-eingineered so greatly and built your own motor for (that you blow up how many times?) against any of our boats we run, and I'll let you choose which, between our RiverRocket (if not sold by then), my Jaguar, or even the lastst project..winner takes all, care to put a wager on it?

[JustMercMe]

Whats with all this hostile activity? Who cares how old somebody is? Or the fact that they have driven this and that kinda boats.....Who cares! Ive come to find out that some info on this board is useful and in the same, some info is useless. Its all opinion. In this question it is at least. Get off each others case. Get along. Enough with this he said, he said ****!

[MODVP22]

Yeah, Itchy, you're right. Fly thinks (key work: THINK) that just because he's got a large number of posts and he's older than me, That I should back down and hail to him, just because he's older and thinks (again keywork THINK) he knows more than anyone else. I won't back down from the crack head. But you are right.
Hey Itchy, I talked to Parker lastnight, got some infor for ya.

[JustMercMe]

shoot me an email.

[Liqui-Fly]

Invitation To Mod 22
You have this thing about me coming to the one event you attend a year all the way across country....I extend this one to you. I throw 2 a year. Feel free to drive a mere 500 miles to the great Adirondaks and we'll see if we can't iron things out. Just so you know my problem with you isn't about who's Dad's boat is faster...it is with what a poser and story teller you are. You've acted like I've backed out of "showdowns" with you which is something you've dreamed up in your head. June 17th to the 21st. I expect to see you there cause I mean if you're going to call someone out I'm assuming that person should be willing to travel. Bring the 96 mph trinity too...because that's really what started this a long time ago. Then we'll have an IQ test, fist fight and a weight lifting contest so you can go home as you came....a loser.

David

[Ray Leach]

You guys are having way to much fun. Is it possible to hear about the rebuild again........never mind I see the link.lol

[PhastBoat]

Originally posted by Liqui-Fly
Then we'll have an IQ test, fist fight and a weight lifting contest so you can go home as you came....a loser.
David

Damn man, why do you get to have all the fun at the ROMP. Can't I fight someone?

[Liqui-Fly]

He just like to talks about other people not showing to the event his Daddy takes him to. I'll fight ya but no weight lifting contest.

David

[Ray Leach]

Where did the challenge thread go?

[Boz]

I thought this thread had been locked?

[Liqui-Fly]

It's here now.

[Scream And Fly]

I unlocked in the hopes that it will improve... An experiment, perhaps?

Greg

[MODVP22]

Itchy, will do man.

Lickme-Fly,
yes, you backed out when Instigator challenged you in Rumble 02. You backed out when I challeneged you last summer...so you're the one dreaming dingbat. So let me get this straight, you want my dad's boat...not mine since you want a piece of me...changing your mind I see. You want ME to come to your event with your buddies thinking it'll be a fair joust..NOT. Make it a neutral site..(Rumble on the River, Jasper River Run, KDBA events) then we'll talk I attend more stuff a year than you think crackhead, just for arguement sake, last year included Rumble 03, Melonbelly get together in March at Aligator lake, and Jasper Nationals. I usually get to the Dale Hallow Lake shoot outs too, but last year wasn't a good year for boating due to weather. So, now that we have it established that YOU are the lair, and I'm not making anything up (by the way, you define the word "poser") pick a neutral event, I got 5 Ben Franklins that say you'll back down again. And you're NOT making the rules to suit your ego.

BTW, my father is sitting here and in between his laughing, he wants to know if you want a piece of his new creation, and it ain't no Trinity:eek:

PS, you're IQ will probably enhance after some sence is knocked into you. You think just because you're older than I that I'm gonna back down and hail to you, you need to wake up.
If Greg wants me to clean anything up, he knows how to contact me, this is not Liqui-Fly's playground

[MTCM]

Quit bickering......................:)

I have not had the opportunity to meet you two guys face-to-face, but I have corresponded with both of you several times. I feel like both of you are "OK guys". Stop fussin' and get out there and settle this dispute from the starting line. ;)

All this BS about Mirages and STVs is gonna make me buy an A-Boat........... :D

Y'all take care now, ya hear?

[David_L6]

Originally posted by MTCM
Quit bickering......................:)

I have not had the opportunity to meet you two guys face-to-face, but I have corresponded with both of you several times. I feel like both of you are "OK guys". Stop fussin' and get out there and settle this dispute from the starting line. ;)

All this BS about Mirages and STVs is gonna make me buy an A-Boat........... :D

Y'all take care now, ya hear?


I want dat purty red bote when you buy dat girly bote! ;)

[stokernick]

well,now I`ve been away a while but I see it`s slow time for working on our rides and the side show has returned.I don`t ever remember getting sprayed,splashed,or wet driving my Stoker,but then again,the thrill of owning it and trying(yes,trying ) to get all it`s capable of,is far more interesting than worrying about a little water in my face.Maybe for someone with limited driving(boating) experience it could be an issue.IMHO :D :D ;) ;)

[rottenbrock]

well just got in from a beautiful day of boating. guess i missed some stuff:D :p can we get a my dad can beat up your dad thread going ? :p

[Liqui-Fly]

This isn't about racing.......this is about what a piece of work you are. I have a family which includes an infant ...I can't just pack up and drive across the country to do whatever because of some turd. Do you even have a boat? If you do what kind of motor do you have? This isn't rocket science dude....I could care if a boat is faster than mine or not. You've got this boat that boat and the other boat. For all I know you have a strait race boat. I never ever claimed my boat was faster than anything you have. I only stated that your 22 foot Mirage Trinity with a 2.5 modified or whatever would nevber do 96 mph on its best day.

I also know you're a little a-hole. On top of that your old man could clear out a crowd faster than a turd in a swimming pool. You'd think someone with such pip squeeks for sons would teach them that someday somebody might break their foot off in their ass. Youre little brother sent me a private message calling me a cocksucker ect. Do you know anything about backing up your tone? You gonna call me Lickme fly when I'm standing there? Your the big challenger you come to the Romp and show your stuff. I'm not the one always aching for a chance to criticize one of the most successful names in the high performance industry. They'll be atleast 3 STV's there and I wouldn't have anything but the upmost respect for you if you showed and on top of that delievered. Making rules to suit my ego. You're funny. You do realize that this is the 4th year of my event right? You do realize that all the people that come are from out of town right? People that I've never met before? I could buy any freaking boat I wanted to if all I cared about was speed....do you understand that?

Mirage is dead dude get over it. They had a great racing history and there are still a lot of Collins boats doing well out there but it's over man...get over it.

David

[David_L6]

Originally posted by Liqui-Fly
I only stated that your 22 foot Mirage Trinity with a 2.5 modified or whatever would nevber do 96 mph on its best day.


Now Fly, doesn't that depend on what he's pulling it with.? ;)




Originally posted by Liqui-Fly
Mirage is dead dude get over it. David


:eek: I sure hope that you are wrong about that. I like those boats. I have nothing against any of the other brands out there either. i.e. STV... Liberator... etc. I've just always liked Mirage. Maybe it's cause they used to be built near me? or cause they're purty? or cause the name just sounds cool??? :cool:







(Don't let yourself get pulled down to someone else's level.)

[stokernick]

JUST A SIDE NOTE---- it would really be a great experience for you,ModVP22 and your Dad and your brother to come to the Romp just to see what performance boating is all about in Upstate N.Y.What would really make it great would be to have a Mirage there,cuz that would be a first.There have been Hydrostreams(every size and condition) STVs,Skaters,(including the one John Tiger did the feature on)Allisons,Velocities,American Offshore,Spectre,Lazer,Stokers,Donzi(ultra fast in some unreal water conditions),and Intimidater,and I`m sure I`ve missed some,oh yea,sorry Tom,Checkmates.It`s not a pissing contest over who`s the fastest,it`s more like what have you got,what did you do, and and what`s next!!The pride is high,very high,but the ego`s are left at the ramp.It`s impressive to see Ronnie fly that `stream,Scott and his little Voodoo,Helmut and his STV,and even `Fly with that Stratos,especially after being told it was a heavy boat that would never break 70.We`ve had `em come from N.J.Maine,Mass,Conn,Canada,Long Island is some pissy rainy weather but it`s always been successful enough to make them come back for more.Sorry for the book,but sometimes we need to look outside the box.Check the galleries and see if you couldn`t fit in.:) :) :)

[Capt.Insane-o]

:rolleyes:

[PhastBoat]

stokernick
JUST A SIDE NOTE---- it would really be a great experience for you,ModVP22 and your Dad and your brother to come to the Romp just to see what performance boating is all about in Upstate N.Y.What would really make it great would be to have a Mirage there,cuz that would be a first.There have been Hydrostreams(every size and condition) STVs,Skaters,(including the one John Tiger did the feature on)Allisons,Velocities,American Offshore,Spectre,Lazer,Stokers,Donzi(ultra fast in some unreal water conditions),and Intimidater,and I`m sure I`ve missed some,oh yea,sorry Tom,Checkmates.It`s not a pissing contest over who`s the fastest,it`s more like what have you got,what did you do, and and what`s next!!The pride is high,very high,but the ego`s are left at the ramp.It`s impressive to see Ronnie fly that `stream,Scott and his little Voodoo,Helmut and his STV,and even `Fly with that Stratos,especially after being told it was a heavy boat that would never break 70.We`ve had `em come from N.J.Maine,Mass,Conn,Canada,Long Island is some pissy rainy weather but it`s always been successful enough to make them come back for more.Sorry for the book,but sometimes we need to look outside the box.Check the galleries and see if you couldn`t fit in.
What about ME!

[FasterthanU]

Originally posted by Qshot-260
Been talkin with fruitboy and Bobby I see. Now those 2 are are a fountain of useful information. I can see why you guys get along........clueless. WHOA WHOA WHOA! Faster's here, I thought we were gonna chill on the Fruitboy Mumbo Jumbo?! Jeff ANY where ANY time you wanna race....I'll be there! and have my ass handed to me!! I love my mirage I don't care what anybody says....As for being clueless......wait.....where am I?

[MODVP22]

Fly,
congratulations, just when I though there was no possible way you could be anymore of an ass, you have..now that's an accomplishment. I love how you put words in my mouth. YES, I'll call you whatever you want me to face to face, Lick n' stick. Just because you put on an event, doesn't make you God, get over it. Ok, so now it isn't about a race, not about settling it..you got a family and that whole line of BS again, funny that sounds familiar, oh of course it your backing out speech AGAIN. Just like when Gator gave you a put up or shut up, you gave that whole line about being a family man and your kid wasn't even born yet. :rolleyes: if you're such a family man perhaps you should watch what you say about another's family when you're hiding behind your keyboard. And get this through your thick skull, I never said I was the almighty know it all (like you always act). I'm glad there might be 3 STVs and however many Skaters and what not at your event..wonderful. If you wanna talk boats, that come around, great, I run with Mirage's, Allisons, STV's, Fountains, Eliminators, Stokers, Baja's and Checkmates on a weekend basis...doesn't make me anymore credible. A friend of the family here had the fastest SST 20 ever (and you can ask racer about that one), I felt honored as a 15 year old to sit in the damn thing..but that doesn't make me anymore of a boater than the next guy..and I NEVER claimed to be. I like how you refer to my father, considering you've never met him, seen him, talked to him, etc., but by reading your posts I'm suprised they let you in the same zip code as your infant daughter what an example of a father you are. I've been in my share of fights, and learned to choose my battles wise..you, of all people, don't scare me the slightest. You're a cancer to this website starting things where there is no problem, criticizing those here who do know more than you, and giving people advice when you don't know what you're talking about. BTW, your little comment when I posted a pic of a cylinder bank about "re-nik your block junior" if you had half an idea what you were talking about you'd noticed it was steel sleeved. Just one example.

So, keep practicing that back pedaling speech, you'll need it sooner or later, I just hope I'm the first to make you use it. BTW, yeah, it's good you backed down, you never know who may suprise you with their desire to race and a straight race boat.:D

[WILDMAN]

JESUS CHRIST! Dat boy's got a problem! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Capt.Insane-o]

:D

[MODVP22]

Wildamn, go back to bed, lol.

That's it, I'm going V-bottom:p

[Liqui-Fly]

Give me an address.

[Scream And Fly]

Okay, I'm giving this thread another hour to clean itself up on ALL sides, or I'll do it myself.

Come on guys - isn't this getting tiresome?

Greg

[MODVP22]

how about the center of town? for all to see

[WILDMAN]

Kind of entertaining actually!

[stokernick]

hey,Dan,ever consider a Stoker??:) :) :D :D

[Liqui-Fly]

I'm tired of talking.

[MODVP22]

:D

[rottenbrock]

you are truly the master of spam posts :p

[1BadAction]

man, its the internet guys. give it a rest. do we need to have at least one arguement every week on s&f? :(

it was kinda entertaining about 10 hours ago, but after the 20 e-mails in my box, its starting to smell like spam.

[Steve Zuckerman]

Originally posted by Steve Zuckerman
Guys,
Regardless of whatever boat you own or prefer, and we all have different preferences, I think we can keep this conversation objective and friendly.
Dan just asked for some information regarding Mirages, not a pissin' contest :rolleyes: ...............
I've driven and raced both STVs and Mirages, and they are both great boats. They both are much easier to drive, and safer than a
similarly performing pad vee. I've done that too, and the pad boats have their place, particularly for high perf fishing, and running in rough water.
What I look for in boats is performance, build quality, and looks.
The first 2 are fairly objective, the latter is more subjective.
At one time this was a pretty level playing field. Now I think the nod goes to Triad/STV.
I'm certainly not knocking (particularly the Collins) Mirage. I've been very pleased with all of mine. Right now, it seems that Wally is more concerned with build quality and innovation, than the current ownership at Mirage.
Regards,
Steve;)
Holy sh-t guys, what happened here!? I thought things were settling down a little bit:rolleyes: ................
We are all in the same game guys. There is no need for this bull****! Let it go.
Competitiors are just rivals after the same goal, not enemies. Competition should bring respect, not envy or spite.

[Boz]

One of you guys needs a night out like this guy had.......

[O/B Dude]

I just saw this thread and had to comment. I have an STV and its the best boat I have ever owned in every respect. Sure you get a little mist between the forks at low speed but just bump the trim up and its gone. As for swapping ends when you let off, never happened to me...even when my "up" trim button fried in place at 100. It got a bit flighty with a small diameter prop when running at very high transom mounting position but thats just incorrect setup. I now never run anything under a 14.25 dia prop and have found the best mounting height for performance. I can let off at over 100 mph and it slows down straight and even. I press the down button on my trim and its like aqua-brakes. Slows the boat down to nothing in seconds. At a full clip I can make high speed turns by bumping the trim down and cutting the wheel over. I have owned this boat for a while and I still feel in awe everytime I drive it. I have never owned a Mirage so I can't comment on them, but I can say that STV's rock! My 2 cents. :D

[WILDMAN]

Notice the volital threads always include the same people!

[JustMercMe]

:D

[blkmtrfan]

1BadStream, that kitty picture is great LMFAO :D

[Scream And Fly]

I'm locking this one, and cleaning it up. Always great to wake up to 10,000 "reported posts" mails in my in-box.

I think I gave this one a fair chance.

Greg