Spy photo: Liberator newest project!

[PhastBoat]

:eek:

[Liqui-Fly]

I thought that was Activator's lastest.

[PhastBoat]

CLICK HERE (http://pbskids.org/lions/words/splash.html)

[PhastBoat]

:confused:
Fly, maybe you could get one of these to go 45MPH?

[Liqui-Fly]

Then it would be 10 mph faster than the bottom banana.

If you wanna be the bottom banana......get a yellow Activator.

[Liqui-Fly]

I wonder what he looks like.

[WATERWINGS]

Phast,

I thought I was gonna hear what the girl was saying:D

[Charlie M]

I know that this was a touchy subject, but Sam thats funny as S#!*

[LaserModVee]

I love their new website!

CHECK IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!www.no-wood-plugs.com (http://mywebpages.comcast.net/urinalcake/copycat.jpg)

[PhastBoat]

ROFLMAO

[Liberator25]

How Phast are you? (I mean with your boat - not this other thing). I have a Lib and I like it. It's fast (about 115), cool looking, not stupidly priced (although all fast boats are argueably stupidly priced) and I can't figure out why you think I give a S**T about what you think.:D Actually, I used the money I saved to buy a new Porche Boxter S (although the new C6 Vette is really interesting). I wanted both and now I have them. Keep up the whinnin' though, It makes for good morning entertainment - better than Ben and J-Lo crap. BTW, copies, splashs, replicas, etc. are all acknowledgement of how good the original is. I, too, think Skaters are AWESOME - just hugely overpriced new and I don't want a 20 year old boat. Solution - new 24 Liberator. Wasn't real complicated and I didn't struggle with any ethical conflict at all. I was never in the market for a Skater (reasons listed above) so Liberator didn't "steal" a sale from Skater, I was never going to buy a Skater and probably never will. I understand those who "must" buy a Skater, I'm just not one of them. Awareness of copyright law helps explain why copying products isn't often prosecuted. The intellectual property that Skater has/had is still theirs. A Skater clone is just that, a facsimile of the the original. Now, if Liberator built boats and called them Skaters or advertised them as Skaters, then we'd have a different deal. Liberator is nothing more or less than what they are, a custom boat builder that offers a reasonably priced (if $100K could be considered reasonable) 24 foot 6 inch foot tunnel boat that is remarkably similar to a 24 foot 3 inch Skater design that has been out of production for nearly 20 years. Not an altogether bad idea, that fits a market niche. They build few boats a year - maybe 20 or so - and each is built to the owners specs. It's a good product with a good reputation for quality. It's no Skater, but that never was the point in the first place.:cool:

[Liberator25]

Really nice little video!!:cool:

[PhastBoat]

But I own originals. I never heard anyone claiming an Activator as a splash. My Triumph motorcycle is an original design. I even drive an original design mini-van:D . Maybe someday will can save up and buy the "real" thing. SKATER & PORSCHE
Boxters are for girls!:eek:

[Trikki1010]

U go Sam :D :D :eek:

[Liberator25]

Hey - we agree on "Boxters are for girls" - I like both Boxters and girls so this whole thing is workin' out for me. Is your original minivan a VW? I agree with you - I don't think anyone would splash an Activator:D The picture of the Porche you posted is WAY outa my league (yours too, I suspect). That's another of those stupidly overpriced deals. If you have to "save up", you'll never be able to buy that car. That's for folks who don't have to "save up" for anything. Unless you're just gonna quit eatin for about 10 years:D BTW - If you're an "orignial" kinda guy - I hope you don't have air conditioning in your house for god's sake!! You big sellout - you do have air conconditioning don't you!! I knew it!! You're not a "real" original kinda guy, you just have a few origianl things and think you're doing the "only original" thing. Orignial has it's place, but in some things (like Triumph - Indian - etc.) original is just old, old school, old style, old fashioned, did I mention old? Better to have a smooth as silk, fast as hell, reliable as an anvil, rice burner. Where the hell do you go to get your spokes tuned these days? But hey, it's good that there are guys like you so guys who have that old stuff can sell it to somebody.:cool:

[jclaywilliams]

I went down to liberator to look at the 24' about a year ago I saw a 30' Lightning cat in the shop, that look like they were making a plug out of. Is the lightning the bottom for Liberators new 30'?

[at100plus]

OMG SAM YOU ARE THE FUNNIEST GUY ALIVE!

Doesn't your wife complain about all the time spent on the computer?

[SCT]

I don't blame anyone who buys a Liberator. They are nice looking well built boats from the ones I've seen in person.

......................BUT what I don't understand (Yes, I know its a money thing!) is why, with all of the talent that is obviously at Liberator Boats, that they don't design their own boats. Or at least make an attempt to change the decks and hull away from the original design!

Maybe it's just me, but I would have a hard time justifying to myself a blatant splash as a boat of my own creation.

SCT

[wild drag racer]

wow very nice hi-performance heads..ops i mean breast's
but how many cc...??

[PhastBoat]

Originally posted by Liberator25
Orignial has it's place, but in some things (like Triumph - Indian - etc.) original is just old, old school, old style, old fashioned, did I mention old? Better to have a smooth as silk, fast as hell, reliable as an anvil, rice burner. Where the hell do you go to get your spokes tuned these days? But hey, it's good that there are guys like you so guys who have that old stuff can sell it to somebody.:cool:

MY OLD TRIUMPH:eek:

[Trikki1010]

I guess big egos go along with little dicks.....eh Liberator ????

I guess no real man would be able to compete with a splash like u :eek:

[pantera24-650hp]

Interesting...the previous thread about splashing disappeared just when it was pointed out that the "mold" had rubrail rivet and a bowline cleat imprints.

Somebody get scared??

[Liberator25]

I have been trying figure out what the hell you mean, but I just can't figure it out. You must be extremely clever to be able to keep people from understanding you. Not effective, but clever. Help me to understand the:

I guess big egos go along with little dicks.....eh Liberator ????

I guess no real man would be able to compete with a splash like u

I just don't get it. Use small words and short sentences. Clarify your slam so that it is at least effective. I want to be offended but you've been unsuccesful - help me to get pissed.

[Liberator25]

A bunch of your really neat friends from NY have joined the fray. Trikki1010 is my favorite, he's so deep, clever and thoughtful - Hell, I can't even figure out if I've been insulted or not;)

Anyway - THAT'S NO TRIUMPH!! I thought you were into original!! That's a cookie cutter crouch rocket with the Triumph name on it. Somebody musta bought the Triumph name and resurected it 'cause I owned a BSA and a Triumph back in the late 60's and that ain't no Triumph - I don't care what the label says. Looks like a splash to me:D

There is a line of radar detectors out there called ESCORT. The real ESCORT was the first really good superhetrodyne detector on the market. The company was sold, the name lives on, but the product isn't the same. The engineer that made ESCORT what it was now has his own company and sells the current top line detector called a Valentine One. Point here is the name doesn't necessarily make it the same thing.:eek:

It never ocurred to me that my ego was large or that it was in any way related to my dick size. Wonder why the old Trickster went there - he must have his own issues and projection is a common defensive mechanism.:D

[Liberator25]

I'm outgunned, outnumbered and outsmarted and clearly I've been wrong on this whole issue. Good Christian guys like yourselves certainly can find it in your hearts to forgive me. I'll never utter another word trying to explain my point of view. I should have quickly and quietly accepted the obvious truth that you have both presented. I now go quietly to my therapy session to help me with my ego and dick problems. Thanks for pointing this out to me, otherwise I would have just foolishly continued to enjoy the s**t out of my piece of crap splash Liberator. Bless you both!!:o

[Trikki1010]

I thought I might lose u if I used complex or long sentences.

I don't advocate the usage of splashes unless u take an existing hull and modify if for ur own usage.

Splashes/Copies benefit from not having to research, or trial and error utlized by the originating manufacturer, so that's why they can offer their copies at a discount. Just like the plug for the 30' that was erased.

I don't want to disgrace this board,,,but

You seem to have an ego problem that requires you to quantify your materialistic belongings and ridicule a decent guy because he doesn't like to wear a fake rolex. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Greg,,,appologies, if ya want I will delete

[Liberator25]

I assume the "decent" guy you refer to is Phasty? Wasn't ridiculing him, don't even know him. I think he started this little shindig off with a zinger aimed at Liberator. How would I know he was such a "decent" guy when that was the only info I had. He seemed more of a cheap shot guy than a decent guy, but hey, all I did is joke around a little back at him. Never got personal and never meant it seriously (that's what the little laughing guys are all about - duh!!).

You, on the other hand, got right into the s**t slinging. That's many things, but not decent - so don't get too high and mighty. This is all in fun, not brain surgery. I like fast boats, I like fast cars, I don't like guys that say my car is for girls, my boat sucks cause it's a splash, I have no ethics, my ego is too large and my dick is too small. You, my friend, are anything but decent. Phasty on the other hand, just joked right back. I think he got it, you sparky, completely missed the point.

[Brad Zastrow]

To justify the right to splash a boat is the same as the saying it is OK for the Chinese to copy a new release movie and sell it on the black market. "It is OK if we only sell a few". "I would or could not afford the real thing anyway". So I guess it is alright for the movie studios to spend many millions producing a movie or in this case a boat BUILDER to spend untold thousands to produce the real thing while someone else steals it. Even more startling is that those who dare to bring this to attention are being called names. :( :( :( :(

[Liberator25]

Trikki my man

The word you has a "y" and an "o" before the "u". "u" isn't even an acceptable abbreviation except possibly in a rapper's name or a vanity license plate.

I understand the economic motives behind a splashed hull, but geez the Skater 24 has been out of production for nearly 20 years. A Rolex knock off says "Rolex" and pretends to be a "real Rolex". Liberator makes no such pretentions and in fact has significantly changed the original design to the extent that it is easily recognizable as different product. The development work and plug for the Skater was amortized so long ago that they could easily sell the boat for the same or less money than Liberator, but if Skater sold it they would charge DOUBLE what a Liberator costs. Rationalize it all you want but a Skater and a Rolex are both seriously overpriced and anyone who MUST have one has ego issues of their own.


Finally you made a reference to my intellectual abilities when you said, " I thought I might lose u if I used complex or long sentences.". Yet another insight to your character, which I can't help you with, but later there was some revelation of YOUR intellect when you said, "You seem to have an ego problem that requires you to quantify your materialistic belongings and ridicule a decent guy because he doesn't like to wear a fake rolex." You should know that the correct word should have been "...ego problem that requires you to QUALIFY (not quantify) your materialistic...". Finally, Rolex is a proper name and should always be capitalized.


Damn!! This felt good:D :D :D :D :D :D

[LaserModVee]

I have nothing against the people who buy splashes or Wildman for selling them. All of these people are into fast boats and seem like good people. I admire the hell out of the paintjobs Wildman throws down on those boats, simply amazing.

My beef is with the companies splashing.

I will make fun of them and ridicule them until they cough up a wooden plug to show they have invested the time, money, and research into the discounted boat they market using the original manufacturer's name.

The cooth!?!?

It baffles me that people defend them and come up with poor comparisons like, "Your TV is an RCA, you bought a splash of a Zenith!" "Haha! I really got you there!!! :rolleyes:

The high performance boating market is such a minute niche, it seems obvious that splashing could outright ruin the company who built the original. How could anyone see it any differently is beyond me. :confused:

(EDIT)-
I just noticed Lib25's post-
Please don't make this a personal attack against Skater owners. Those who own a Skater have them because they demand the absolute best in offshore catamarans. Skater has earned their reputation by building the highest quality boats to withstand the rigors of offshore racing.
To say those who must own Skater's have an ego problem is true. It's the same ego problem you suffer from; wanting to outrun everyone else and look good doing it. But now someone has threatened your ego, which has launched into an onslaught of personal attacks against people that own the brand of boat you originally wanted, but A.)Did not want a used version, and B.)Did not want to pay the price of a new version. Which brings us to you seeking out something that looks like the boat you originally wanted and purchasing it. ;)

[PhastBoat]

I get you bro! I got some family in San Antonio, maybe when i come down there you can take me for a 100+mph ride and convince me that spashes are good.
Just dont wont no ride in no stinkin boxter:D
Trikki1010 is a good guy, what we all need to remember is that all of us "screamandflyers" are "family". I used to throw my little brother in the garbage when we fought.:eek:
We can agree to disagree!!!!

[Trikki1010]

YOU asked me to strike a nerve :rolleyes:

[Liberator25]

This is the actual price list of a 1990 Skater 24. Quoted (not splashed) from Powerboat. The Skater belonged to Phil Lipshutz.

Base Boat (without power) - $35,801 (not too bad)
Color Stripes - $678
Each additional color - $378
Toneau Cover - $641
Gauge Package - $1,131
Anodized Gauge Bezels - $520
Compass - $434
Two Gil Battery Boxes - $249
Two Bilge Pumps - $356
Bluewater trim indicators and cables - $940
Two battery switches - $106
Fire Extinguisher - $82
Four Kill Switches - $305
Race/Pleasure layup - $3,939
Navigators Throttles - $1,760
Aluminum Padded windscreen - $255
VHF Radio with antenna - $762
VDO digital compass - $1,263
Mercury fuel pumps, regulators and filters - $462
Braided SS lines - $1,271
Reworked Cleaver Props - $2,111
Two control cables - $384
Two deep cycle batteries - $294
Engine installation and rigging - $1,525
Two Mercury 2.4 EFI outboards - $14,975(r) and $14,465(l)
Total $85,089


Keep in mind this was in 1990 - which was 14 years ago. Their prices then are in line with current pricing. Their prices now are goofy high.

[LaserModVee]

:rolleyes:

Those prices were considered goofy high in 1990.

You could buy a 24 Baja for under $40000 then too.

Again, it wasn't a Skater. It wasn't built to race offshore for years on end.

I would expect to pay way lesser for an imitation. They have little overhead when somebody else already did the hard work for them.

[lilabner]

Hialeah Florida is and has been the splash capital of the free world...where else can you get the same V hull with any of a few hundred names...since the late 50's...of course most companies have gone under thanks no thanks to the DEA and Sonny Crocket..

[Liberator25]

You got it.

And you're right.

LaserModVee is close, but I didn't know splash from shinola when I bought my boat. I learned all this stuff on this board. This is my first outboard boat, my first custom boat, my first a lot of things. I still like it and YES I love to outrun other guys and I guess that's an ego thing. Boats are just my current deal, before that it was cars and before that it was motorcycles, so I guess this ego problem has been with me for awhile now. I just thought I was competitive, now I realize I'm whacked. Who knew??

I still think that little movie thing is very cool:cool:

[David]

Triumph motorcycles did go bankrupt and ceased production. The current company has the rights to the name but is not a direct decendent.

Nice bikes though.

I also have nothing against Porsche Boxsters and would be happy to have one. A good track day car and enough luggage space to take to the cottage for the weekend.

David
Virage
Voo Doo
Miata (good track day/every day car)
Lotus Elan Plus 2 (good track day car, good for my mechanic)

[LaserModVee]

Lib25,

I could see getting on the defense when somebody starts ragging on your stuff. Whether it be your boat, car, or whatever.

We're all ego-maniacs in here, admit it or not. Otherwise we would be in a large charter ship protecting the whales with Greenpeace right now!!!! :D :D Tree-hugging, pro-four-stroke-outboard, hippie, manatee loving, sailboat driving bastards don't argue over who is faster and what company splashed who.

Like I said before, I got nothing against any individual, I have issues with business practices.

:D

[Liberator25]

I didn't mean to ping all Skater owners. I just think that some people have brand issues. Like Polo shirts, Rolex watches, etc. If you need a Skater for the strength and ruggedness because you pound the open seas or race then nothing else will do. I understand and agree that it's a great boat and the right choice for this type of application. I don't need a Skater cause the only thing I pound is ski boat wakes on a lake. I also believe that my Liberator is NOT made as well as a Skater. But it's made well enough and it's well suited to my uses and it's priced a good bit less than a compareable Skater. So there may not be a right choice, just a bunch of different choices. It's the criticism that cranks me up. Most don't know anything about Liberators, and may not know anything about Skaters, but they have opinions on both. I'm OK with my choice, and probably would make it again. I do not have issue with Skater owners and apologize if it seemed that I took a cheap shot.

[PhastBoat]

Originally posted by David
Triumph motorcycles did go bankrupt and ceased production. The current company has the rights to the name but is not a direct decendent.


Today, Triumph is still a privately-owned British company and Triumphs are still designed and manufactured in Britain, although many events have shaped the company and our motorcycles over the last 100 years or so. Our main production facilities are located in Hinckley, Leicestershire, England – around 20 miles from the very first Triumph site. Equipped with the latest technology and using state-of-the-art machinery our workforce is proud of the great range of Triumph bikes made today.

Drawing inspiration from the past, our classic machines offer a rare combination of authentic, traditional styling backed by modern reliability and lively performance, whilst our touring models come with built-in character, long-distance comfort, high performance and an enviable reputation for reliability. And with the recent launch of the Daytona 600, Triumph’s commitment to producing distinctive sports motorcycles of the highest calibre has never been greater.

[Trikki1010]

Peace:cool:

My dig wasn't personal in Nature. You do have a few people who build boats here. For the labor they put in to build a boat, it just isn't fair to them to condone splashing.....

I'm done "pingin", :D

****, I'll even trade ya rides with a puddle skipper like mine....

[Liberator25]

We're done. I love ya man!!

I do see why this whole thing is such a hot deal. I could be too easy on myself, but I see the Liberator 24 deal differently than a splash of a current production boat. If the boat being copied is available today, or the boat being sold represents itself as the original, then there are some ethical dilemmas to work your way thru. In the case of the Lib 24, it's "Moma" has been retired for some time so if you want one you gotta buy a pretty old boat. Liberator resurrected an out of production boat so I see that a little differently. Again, I may be going easy on myself here but that's kinda how I see it. To me this is similar to the fiberglass Cobra replicas that are "look like" Cobras. They are kit cars but have the Cobra look. The other significant point is that Liberator does not market, advertise or attempt to fool anyone into believeing that they are buying a Skater. A Liberator is a Liberator and nothing more. There was even a recent Liberator built for a big block inboard (something Skater never did), and they added a third (middle) sponson with a step to accomodate the outdrive mount. Incidently, that boat has no porpoise at all. My twin 300x has the hops between 75 and 90, but the old tunnel tab fixes that. The deck of the Liberator 24 is completely different than the Skater 24, and the front seating position is moved forward about 18 inches. It really is significantly modified and not a straight up knock off as many believe. For these reasons, I just don't see the Liberator 24 as a huge "foul" like so many on this board. But I am now more understanding of their point of view and, hopefully, they of mine. As you said Trikki - Peace.:)

[PhastBoat]

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[espen]

I did not know my 25 Motion was based on the 24 skater when I bought it....it dont feel great ,but its nothing I can do about it.....

PhastBoat I know you give a dam about these issues you just want to have fun and make some waves.
Cant you start to do some positive things for S@F and the members, I can assure you its much more fun.

[Trikki1010]

I'm done too. My point isn't about you or even Wildman. Ur all great guys.......I just don't condone the manufacturers doing it or making it easier for them to rip the designs off.

I understand that you get what you pay for. A '84 skater is just as tough today, as when it was purchased 20 years ago. Basically an almost bulletproof boat. (I have witnessed one desintigrate, but the driver had no business going as fast as he did, for how rough it was)

I can't wait for the ice ta thaw, get some good dense cool air and rip up some water before all the daycruisers come along :D

[Tripps]

Here's a postive thing about splashing,just get phastboat to splash/clone his avatar girl for all s&f ers and all will be happy!!!!:D :D :D tripps

[LaserModVee]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tripps
[B]Here's a postive thing about splashing,just get phastboat to splash/clone his avatar girl for all s&f ers and all will be happy!!!!:D :D :D

[PhastBoat]

Much more positive!!!!!!!:D

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/sports/article.jhtml?articleID=638251

[BK]

What part of "splashing is against the law" is so hard to understand?



RESPONSE TO COPYRIGHT OFFICE AND PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ON THE VESSEL HULL DESIGN PROTECTION ACT
A more level playing field has been created for the innovative boat designer. The market place is behaving as it should. The common features cannot be protected due to common, primarily functional designs that are needed for the boat to operate effectively. Overall, the law provides a narrow infringement window that keeps competition effective and unfair copying illegal.

In general, a company will be able to retain a competitive price for a product if it can be marketed without unrestricted copying. In the past, it was well known that new fibreglass boats were copied by competitors and the impact of this piracy was a loss of profits, and a disincentive to manufacture of new designs. The VHDP Act was enacted to limit this piracy.

MORE:: http://www.fryer.com/VHtes303.htm

[Liqui-Fly]

Builders need to register their designs. Not at a patent level....just some dimensions and pictures. Give them 10 years of protection. A splash will be determined by a copy fitting into the original builders mold. If an original builder does prove this, they will receive a designated amount of profits from all the spalshed versions of the hull sold. That would be an easy number to come up with...both dollars and number of rigs sold. But if the company is sold I think it should be fair game. We've seen it on this board and to state a specific company, in American Offshore. The early boats were a quality build and a reputation was bulit. After the company was sold the quality went down considerably. So people were buying what they though was a well built high performance boat but they were getting dangerous shipwrecks.

There is a reason people put Texas built in the for sale pages. Hmmm why are older boats worth more then newer ones??

Ultimately most of us on this board are consumers and we can't blame people for the decisions that they make with their money. Loving kick ass boats is one thing and business is another thing. Most importantly nobody has the right to a successful business. You deserve the protection that the law gives...no more.....no less. Untimately I think spalshers keep the truly skilled off their asses and hels drive new designs:)

David

[blkmtrfan]

Very well put IMHO ;)

[Tripps]

At least some of you guys like my idea:eek: :eek: :eek: Tripps

[stray cat]

I own a Liberator 17 which was splashed from a Starbuck 17 which I also own. I'm probably the only person around who likes these boats though cause they are bad to blow over and not just real fast but I fell smooth in love with the looks of the old Starbuck when I was a senior in high school in 74 when the feller next door bought one and at the time it was one of the fastest boats on the river. When Steve Bob said he wanted to sell the old Starbuck hull I jumped on it and have been playin ever since,but the boat is 30yrs old and has some serious safety issues now and unlike some of the people,or even most of the people on this site I have absolutly no talent for anything, I'm also a poor boy so most of my stuff has to be used or thrown away. While surfin this site I discovered that Liberator made a copy of the ol Starbuck and after a few phone calls to David at Liberator I drove to Crowly Texas and brought home the next to the last one on the factory floor(Liberator no longer makes this boat) for 4.5K. There were enough differences between the boats that I couldnt just swap motors and go, Like I said I'm a poor boy and just buying the boat hurt but I have finally got the hull paid for and now I can start the rigging. I still have a way to go but I'm savin my pennys and by this summer I'll have it on the water. Yes I know its a splash and no I don't care and there isn't anything anybody can say thats gonna make me feel bad about ownin somthing I like.:)

[espen]

PhastBoat !
Wow where did you find that ! Its a net page for the newspaper in our aria.... Girls girls girls...... I realy apreciate the boobs massage :-) Was a Goose in my garden to day ! Run to get my camera but was to far away for a nice picure... Those are big animals.... Lots of snow lately and they come down from the forrests to find food.

[2Blade]

I love that 17. I had one for 8 years until I went back to Dave and traded the hull for the 21. It's funny...but I think I actually like the 17 better than my 21. The 17 was incredibly smooth and just looked great. I ran mine with a 200 Merc on it. I have also found a Starbuck with an in-inline six 125 Merc in Wichita Falls, TX that I plan on picking up. The last time I was at the factory Dave still had a red 17 and a blue 17. You must have bought one of those. I also told Dave that I thought he ought to take the 17 and stretch it to a 21 footer. Great boats. Reid.

[WATERWINGS]

(splash)

I had a "FakeMate" for my third boat, but at least I was out there.

[wild drag racer]

thanks for your msd david...

the peope who copy the boat..is not boat builder
i called him a thief. i dont copy boats.. i buidl them
from plywood first then. made the mold by myself
i dont say i a good boats builder.. but in my country
i am the only one who modify and build speed boats

toyot is best car in japan?? bout not around the world??
so mr. david.. dont talk about some one that you dont know him
when ou visit me and see my work shop..then you can
say anything you like and dont try to recommend me about
boats building role's i know the roles better than you..

thanks and best regards

[PhastBoat]

What do you got to say to that!

:confused:

[Liqui-Fly]

Who are you talking to? I hope it's not me because I have not adressed you in any manner what so ever.

David

[wild drag racer]

its you david mr. fly

[Steven]

got any pics of the 17. always liked those. heres my 19. its an 86 and is in very good condition for its age. still solid liberator quality!!

[Liqui-Fly]

Wild drag racer makes me laugh. I was thinking about it on the way home last night and he is one funny dude and undoubtedly has a very slow boat. Don't know how to write in arabic but can use phonics:

Wild Darg Racer "keif sa ha"

But it looks to me that you're copying an Allison design. Yeah I know your bulding a plywood plug so it's not theft. hahahahahaha

David

[2Blade]

Great looking boat!

[2Blade]

of my fathers 17.

[2Blade]

of my 21.

[Steven]

thanks, i'll bet that 21 is a sweet ride. which lake do you use? im 100 miles west of ft worth towards granbury. maybe i can come your way sometime. we need more LIBERATOR pics. i like this thread!!!:D :eek: :D

[stray cat]

2 Blade I bought the blue one. I do have pictures but they are huge and I dont know how to shrink em. I really like seeing those pictures of the Liberators,I've been saving all I can find especially the 17s. Ya don't find many of em on the net so if any of ya'll have pictures post em, please!:)

[2Blade]

I boat mainly on Eagle Mountain Lake in northwest Ft Worth. I usually take a day trip to Possum Kingdom once or twice a year. I am going to try to come to the "Lake Whitney get together" this year. I hear there are usually several Liberators there. The '21 is a "sleeper" family boat. We do a lot of wakeboarding, swimming, and just cruising around and the '3-'5 lake chop created by all the Bajas and house boats is no problem for '21.

Stray Cat, the blue one was a great choice! To drive the full tunnel '17 is quite an experience. You don't really have to worry about blow over until about 90. Once you pack air in the back part of the tunnel then you can pretty safely drive it in the 70-85 mph range and keep the nose down.

[Liberator25]

This is a 112-115 mph boat with low boat weight, low fuel and just me. With the four guys you see here, we ran 106 mph.

[beko21]

Badass Boat!:cool:

[Liberator25]

Thinkin' about a name for it. Maybe "Dos XX's" (we're in Texas after all). Maybe "Radar Love" - but that's cheatin cause my speeds are all GPS numbers, never been radared.:cool:

[beko21]

I like Dos XX's and it's not bad beer either, I would own one of those if I could get tight-ass down in Florida to loosen up a little bit, you know the guy that posted above me:D those colors are really nice together.

[blkmtrfan]

I really like how this has become an actual Liberator picture thread :cool:

[WILDMAN]

Beko, nice avitar! Ya JERK!

[2Blade]

I received my new Liberator T-shirt in the mail on Saturday. Thank you.

Liberator25 that is one awesome boat.

[PhastBoat]

HERE (http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42120)

[2Blade]

for Stray Cat.

[stokernick]

Phastboat,real pictures of real boobs:D :D :D :D

[beko21]

I think those boobs are splashes, I've seen some just like them somewhere else:D

[Liqui-Fly]

The only boobs around here are Phastboat and Stokernick:eek:

David

[beko21]

:eek:

[PhastBoat]

;)

[Liberator25]

I took a hit on your link to "real boats" - I really liked the red one on page two.:D

[Liberator25]

Most of the other "real boats" look the paint jobs were done by a guy who used to do Nash Ramblers.:D :D :cool: