1971 Stinger Outboard - What have I got?

[BradH]

I recently acquired a 1971 Stinger outboard motor and am not familiar with with this motor. I have tried researching this motor to no avail. It is painted orange and is in good condition. What have I got?

[P man]

a nice 49ci mota
is it a short shaft?... they were the sporty ones.
there were also 20in shaft stingers made but im not sure if they were the same as the nomal 70 or not.
The 15inch motors also had a smaller gear case with an outside dia. of 3.45 inches and a 1.86:1 ratio.

There are alot of omc 3cyl enthusiasts around here

[JW]

You're gonna get hit up by the Performance Inflateable guys to sell that motor!

[Raceman]

If it's a 71 and orange I'm thinkin' it's a V4 stinger. Although I'm rusty on my OMC year model chronology, I don't think the 3 cyl stuff was orange in 71, or called Stinger yet. If it is in fact a V4 it is of course much more rare and desireable than the 3 cyl stuff, and also a lot farther from being a production engine. The V4 Stinger and Stinger GP (the 2nd generation) were OMC's answer to the Mercury Twisters.

If it is in fact a 4 cyl Stinger or Stinger GP, I'd like to have it if you decide to sell it. Can you post pictures?

[Crab Claw]

I don't think stingers came out until 1973 or 74. (3 cyl or V4)

[Raceman]

I don't think that's correct CC. With the X115/GT115 introduced in 68, basically as a one year engine, I don't think OMC waited 5 or 6 years for the next generation. I didn't start going to backyard races until 74 and my first biggie was the APBA Nationals at Miami in 75, but the 4 cyl Stingers had been around for a while then. I'm pretty sure the Stinger GP/Super Strangler (the 8 barrels) were around to run against the T2 Mercs when they were still current, and I've got an old race picture showing a Stinger and the first red striped Twister which was probably a 70 model engine running in the same race, although the photo isn't dated.

It may very well be true that the 3 cyls branded as Stingers were that late, but I don't think so with the V4's.

[Crab Claw]

The Orange Stingers did not come out until 1973 or 74. They were white and gray(green) in 1971.

[P man]

RM
I think your right. Ive heard that the TRIPLE Stingers didnt come out till 74-75. (not sure about the 4s)
IVe always thought that the v4's were Stranglers and not Stingers.
Were the 4cyl stingers always refered to as GP's?

[Raceman]

PMan, the Johnson V4 race motors were referred to as Stingers and Stinger GP's, with the Stinger GPs being the second generation with the 8 carb venturis. Evinrude had engines identical to both, except for the colors, called Stranglers and Super Stranglers. The Evinrudes had white cowls, with a red and blue stripe if I remember right. I've never seen a white V4 Stinger, but wouldn't say they didn't exist. My only recollection of the Stingers was seeing em at the races when I first started going and based on some of the boats and tow rigs I'd say they probably weren't state of the art at that time. Although I don't remember the year models, I'm certain there were orange 8 barrel Stingers around the first time I went and also know that these were the second generation. Hydro-Cat who posts here has a very nice Shultz with a Johnson Stinger GP that he's recently restored. If you do a search of his posts there are a number of very good powerhead pictures of the Stinger GP. I don't know the history of his boat, but if one was to assume that it was new at the same time the engine was installed, and the engine had to be a 74 or newer, it would be expected to be a pickle fork instead of full tunnel. My guess would be that this boat is 72/3 or older. Here's a link to one of his posts with some pictures of the boat and motor, but the best powerhead shots will require a search:

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45840

[Raceman]

Another look at Hydro-Cat's boat shows that he says it's a 73 model. That doesn't say that the engine was the same year model, but it would fall in line with what I remember.

[P man]

ohhhhhhhhhh ok
I didnt know that evinrude had there own names for basically the same stuff as Johnson.
thanx

[Raceman]

It carried over into the later stuff also. Johnson called their V6 race engine the RS, while the same engine in Evinrude was labeled CCC. The 3 cyl Mod 50 Evinrude was CC while the Johnson was supposedly SR, although the only pictures of it I've seen were labeled RS just like the big engine.

Mark 75 posted some pictures of an early 6 cyl Johnson prototype race engine that was orange and colored just like the old Stinger GP 4 cyl and supposedly called Stinger also. I never saw one of those.

[Markus]

OMC had similar names for the same products under the Johnson and Evinrude brands like that since way back, and it lasted all the way until OMC decided to take Evinrude and Johnson in different directions in the late 90s; remember the 80s XP and GT designations on V6 and V8 engines and the mid-90s Venoms and Vindicators.

[kim cleckler]

The ones i have had etc. from 69 to 72 were called stinger (V-4) the hoods were white on Johnson and had the stinger emblems on the side. the Evinrudes were white too but had ss where the hp emblems were to be. the 72/73 (3 cyl.) was a orange motor and the later v-4 stingers had the orange cowl. Just my memory Kim

[Crab Claw]

Yep, 1971- WHITE hood and GRAY mid and lower. Ask Ron Hill if ya don't believe us.

[Raceman]

Kim, I don't know how much stuff you've accumulated since I last talked to you, but based on the ads you answer I think it's about time you start posting some pictures.

[QUICKSILVER]

I had a 1972, 3 cyl Johnson. It had 70HP on the cowling, but when you ran the sr# for parts, the parts book said 65HP. It didn't say stinger anywhere on the motor. It had black letters on the midsection that said MEAN MACHINE. They were on both sides above the cavitation plate. All of the paint and decals were factory. I guess the cowling could have been from a newer model.

[Mark75H]

Kim's years are correct, 69-72 for the Johnson V-4 Stinger (model KC-13R)

The Johnson GT-115 decals were used on the 1967 89ci 115's (model GT10S or JT10S, I'm not sure which is the typo) and the 1968 99ci 115's (model WCC-10S) .

Simularly, the Evinrude X-115 decals were used on `67 89ci race motors (model GR10S) and `68 99ci race motors (model RHS-10S)

In `72 OMC introduced the Johnson Stinger GP and Evinrude Super Strangler. (model KR-13M)

I have seen the Evinrudes that Kim mentions with "ss" on them and a comparable Johnson with "Stinger 2" on it. Remember the inline six motor that looks like a T-II, but says "Super Six"? I think the Evinrude "ss" and Johnson "Stinger 2" are short run/prototypes like the Super Six

[Bill Gohr]

75 H is correct and so is Kim, If this thing is a 71 Stinger it would be a KC13R and a V-4, Those had stock appearing cowls with the small scopion on them. If it's an orange triple Stinger those came in 72 and were 65hp. thats the one that said "Mean Machine" on the bottom side of the exhaust housing. The orange ones continued til 76 when they turned white.

[BradH]

All of the replies about the Stinger motor were text book informative. We neophytes appreciate the time you experts take to answer our questions. You guys are the best! Why climb a mountain in Tibet when all the guru's are right here!

[Mark75H]

So, Brad, do you have a 3 cylinder or a 4 cylinder?

[LakeRacer99]

Here is a scan of the 1970 johnson flyer for the production motors, I don't see the 1971. It does list the 15" driveshaft for the 60hp for this year, but no Stinger. I have a 1972 15" Triumph 65hp, should that be called a hustler then? I am thinking the 3cylinder Stingers and Hustlers did not surface til 1973, which was when OMC changed their lower units from hydro-electric to mechanical gearshift.

http://mitglied.lycos.de/old_omc/j_1970/john_1970.html

I do not know about the V4, I think it was more of a race motor and not listed in the production catalog, only pictured on the back of raceboats there.
I have most of the catalogs for Evinrude and Johnson from 1971-1988ish and I can dig them out if anyone needs to know.

Brad, which is it v4? or 3 cyl?

[Bill Gohr]

I can't find my 72 Johnson catalog to show the 72 Stinger Mean Machine. You did mention the Hustler Evinrude that came in 74 as a production engine.

[P man]

How exactly does the swivle bracket work on that Hustler. There are only 2 mounting holes???
I have a mid like this. Is there sometihing that bolts on to it??

[Raceman]

Bill, I never knew that Evinrod used the Strangler designation on a production type engine. If I'm reading your post right, the pictures are of 74 model motors. Is this AFTER OMC quit building the 4 cyl Super Strangler and Stinger GP???

[Bill Gohr]

i think you could still buy the strangler race engine in 75 that pic is from the 74 book. That was the only year they made that recreational Strangler. Too bad no one is collecting those things I still have one of the cowls up in the attic.

[Bill Gohr]

1970 evinrude brochure? look on the back and see if theres the pic of the Surf Six-0. No one has posted that yet. It was on the back cover 70 and maybe 71.

Crab Claw the first orange Stinger 3 cyl was the 72 65hp Stinger 2 it said on the cowl and Mean Machine on the lower.

[Crab Claw]

Originally posted by Bill Gohr

Crab Claw the first orange Stinger 3 cyl was the 72 65hp Stinger 2 it said on the cowl and Mean Machine on the lower. [/B]

Thanks Bill,
Sort of remember the mean machines, but that was a long time ago. I have a 77 Stinger (50 ci) NEW. Never been run.
Bought for racing but never raced it. Had Jenks from SC go over it in 1976. It was bought in 1976 but it is a 77. (White)
Nope not for sale.

[Fast Fred]

gots me a 59 incher Stinger w/ nikasel bore, the SST60 killer, :eek: :eek: gos in on me rubba skater:eek: :eek: :cool:
w/ sixpack intake:D :D

[H2OPERF]

Bill do you have the v4 or the 3 cyl hustler cowl my longtime neighbor has a hustler 70 he bought new on a 14 action marine in 74. This was his first boat and he still has it, he just finished redoing the hull and is currently working on the engine restoration.He called me recently wanting to know if i knew someone who could duplicate the decals but a good cowl would be better. Thanks Dave