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half fast

11-16-2003, 05:16 PM

I ran one for a few years with a 150 omc gt,then went to a 2.5 245 hp merc.Very well built but you will get dusted by an STV or Mirage with equal power.I ended up running a 28 hoss triton on the merc at just under the century mark.These boats can be blown over,almost went swimming in mine once.Ask boatless he was with me.I remember they seem to be very sensitive to wieght ie. make your passenger get in the back when you need all the top end speed. later and good luck hf...

smokey

11-17-2003, 01:30 AM

HF-thanks for the reply. Mine originally had a 150 Evinrude Intruder, good for 72 or so. Sold the 150 and put a 200 on it for rigging purposes (tired fishing motor). Presently running 80 at 6200 with a small blade 26 chopper. Plan to rebuild the motor, repaint and upholster the boat over the winter. Not looking to be king of the lake, just something reasonable fast and fun to drive. Not suprised at the almost blowover, its got a lot of width for its length.

smokey

11-17-2003, 01:40 AM

Oh, yeah, me and 99fxst99 are the same. Had trouble logging and reregistered under my ebay user name.
Thanks again for the responses

Talon2.5

11-17-2003, 06:25 AM

heres a link to an old discussion, the guy disappeared never heard from him again.............

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40084&highlight=talon+18

Hottrucks

11-18-2003, 05:50 PM

Sorry talon 2.5 I've been in the repair zone. I got mine running in the mid to upper 80's until a bad bracket on the oil tank caused a real pile of parts( anyone need some smoked pistons or crank ) after a couple of hard left turns. I'm running a 28" 4 blade prop with great results but Like I was told I need more set back to keep the nose down.I'm in the middle of a major rebuild from the steering (dual) to adding the new set back (12") and a manual 5" lift. I'm hoping with the new power and parts that I should have no problem running it into the low to mid 9's on good water. Still trying every prop I can .
Of course the water will be hard soon (ICE) and I'll have to do my break in and testing in the spring!!!!

Talon2.5

11-19-2003, 06:43 AM

oh man sorry to hear of the motor trouble!!

i see your in the new hampshire lakes area.......laconia nearby? ive been to weirs beach before :D

Hottrucks

11-19-2003, 06:03 PM

Ya! Weirs is only 30 min tops away, I go there Quiet abit just to hand out but I hammer mostly on lake Sunapee (15 mins away) or if I want to go fast theres Mascoma Lake thats only at the end of the driveway it's pretty cool for testing because there's no one else going fast to bother me (fast relative to me or you, fast guys now run in the low 60's ), I know most of the locals on the lake and its about 4 miles long and 2 mile wide at the wide area. It also has a small island great for doing laps around, it keeps you in the good water even on the windy days. Hopfully the ice will come and go quickly.
I talked to Rob Wilkens at Talon, he sent a bunch of stuff to me.In that package he sent me the origanal bill of sale,factory photos and flyers. My 18 is the one in the bottom left of the page ,it was used in all the photo shoots , magazine adds and was the one that they used for testing at the factory #109 And the only one with a see thru wind screen. if you give me the # on your boat I'll tell you what I can about it from my paper work
Hope to hear from you soon
Jeff

smokey

11-19-2003, 08:05 PM

T-2.5, sounds like you may have the same 2-wheel addiction I have, never been to laconia but I'm a regular at Myrtle Beach.
Much less crowded than Daytona.

Hottrucks-I've also heard that Rob is very helpful. Maybe I'll see if he can give me the history on mine.

Thanks for both your replies, nice to find some other Talons out there.

Hottrucks

11-20-2003, 08:32 PM

2 wheels are another great hobby. I'll see ya in myrtle beach this spring I'll be down there! Hope to see ya there down by the dock looking at some hot boats!

Talon2.5

11-21-2003, 08:14 AM

i take my harley out every afternoon, if ya look at the clock today around 2:30 eastern time, i'll be riding :D

Hottrucks

11-21-2003, 03:40 PM

Looks like we all have another bad habbit!!! I'll be in central Fla. ( Tampa to be exact) I'm leaving the cold with bike in tow X mas day and I'll be there until Jan 3.My bike came from Tampa HD and I know a couple of the people at the other dealers near by. I'm a member of the sun shine club there. Maybe we could hook up some afternoon so I can see your speed racer?I'm just down there to bum around for a week, allthough I do need to spend a couple of days with Mickey.I get down there as much as I can and my bike winters there.Myrtel beach is part of my return trip back to some cold water!

Talon2.5

11-21-2003, 11:10 PM

i'm right by disney, could see about hooking up on a weekend but the weekdays are too hecktick with the work schedual, only have 2 hours to play with during weekdays between shifts (bike riding time) what bike ya got? heres a pic of mine......

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=342117

i took the flames off the tank and put harley stickers on, it's an old 1980 ironhead sporty

Hottrucks

11-23-2003, 09:02 PM

I'm riding an 03 softtail with some added chrome and pipes. When it gets back to tampa it going to get the 1550 kit.It's got about 7k on the speedo but riding time this summer has been limited to non boat days.I picked it up on 1-2-3 and left tampa with 2800 in the middle of april and only rode a feww times. It's a hell of a comute to ride for the weekend but it gives me another reason to get to fla and warm up. Its been to maine a couple of time for some rallies and a toy ride but not much else. If I just had a harly powered tunell!!!!!!
Hummmmmmmmmmm?
Ever heard of such a creacher?

Talon2.5

11-24-2003, 08:31 AM

oh man a softail SWEET!!!!!!! :cool:

99fxst99

11-24-2003, 09:10 AM

OK, my Talon thread has turned into a Harley chat room......No Problem!! I'm presently riding a '00 FLHT, after having a 92 Sportster and a '99 FXST. Miss my FXST, but I ride for hours at a time and my girlfriend was good for about 20min at a time on the back of the Softail, you know, lowered, custom seat, trick looking, terrible ride. Anyhow, we go to Myrtle Beach every spring and most fall rides, The fall rally is becoming preferred by many due to the growth of the size of the spring rally.
The Talon has been sitting in the backround for almost a yar, so I am getting that project going over the winter. So, I'm keeping my eyes open for tips on set-up. Lots of Mirage and STV jockeys around, but not many of us.

Talon2.5

11-24-2003, 09:49 AM

YEP WE GOT A BIT OFF TRACK DIDNT WE :D

what do you both have right now for current set-up?

mine if you looked at the link i posted has 7 inches of setback right now and runs pretty sweet with it, gonna go up a 1/4 inch here the next time i take it out and i'll let ya both know where the propshaft is in relation to the boat :D

i posted digital pics and have a digital camera if you both need additional pics of my set-up or anything :cool:

i'll help the best i can

mine runs 93 easy and have hit 97.9 on gps before with a different set-up and working back toward that, i usually dont run full out, but nice to know what it is capable of if i feel the need :D

either of you have digital cameras? or have access to one?

Hottrucks

11-24-2003, 07:17 PM

Crap riding season is over and so is boating but with any luck I get a hot ride in a Talon and get to take my bike to get there??
(ut humm T2.5 hint hint)
Ive got great news my motor is done Yea!!!!!!!!!!
now all I have to do is put it back into it's cowl add the two new steering cables( which I hope you never have to do, it is such a beer I meen bear? the space between the dash and the hood section doesn't allow enough space to allow the nut on the cable to clear after you disconect it from the rack. A lot of time should be left for this job and lots of gental prying will go a long way in raising the hood section to clear).
As for my set up I don't have a set back or jack plate but I run in the solid 80's with my old stock 2.5 and a 4 bade 28 (sorry don't remeber the brand but it was a chopper style) the motor is on the 3rd hole from the top about 3/4" lower than the center sponson step. My hull was the mold for future boats but I'm not sure where everyone elses steps are? I do know that any before mine #109 where more forward.
I run the stock gas tank and my Battery is in pass. side cubby hole all the way forward.I'm looking at a 10" setback with an ajustable manual jack up to 5" CHEAP not free but Cheap so I may try that in the spring
There was a spare fuel tank that someone cut in the center of the front seat foot rest (under the dash) that would carry 3 gallons that will be replaced with a new OIL TANK AND 432 FASTENING DEVISES TO STOP IT FROM ROLLING OVER!!!!! This will move more weight forward and allow me to keep an eye on it. Nothing I would normally do but the hole is there.
My advise is try every thing you can with out going broke. If I can help with proping I will (I recon props and can buy whole sale and will pass the savings on) I'll do this for other Talon 18 owners only!!! There are so few of us!!!!?
Sorry about pics I will try to get someone to take some for me as I would like them to. But they will have to be on the trailer my lake shots where scheduled for a week after my motor decided to yard sale all over the lake. F&^%#^$K
Look foward to hearing from you !!
p.s I gone from thurs. to sun but now that I'm back on line I'll stay curent as I can!
Thanx Jeff

Talon2.5

11-25-2003, 06:58 AM

my seats are in tandem, i cut and re-did the dash for center steering, my battery is in the rear behind the back seat (old driver side) along with the trim pump in the rear centered

the interior side panels have been removed by me and replaced with lightwieght aluminum painted with white epoxy

the center of the front bulkhead is cut out for access into the bow

7 inch manual jackplate with at this point in time propshaft 1/2 inch above the pad (if i remember correctly)

motor is mounted on the jackplate in the lowest holes (highest it can go) and i have only a half inch left the jackplate can go up

it has the 2 inch spacers between the jackplate and the motor for a total of 9 inches of setback

i usually run a 30 pitch hoss triton 3 blade

carburated 2.5 with minor mods that i built a few years ago

dual cable steering, hot foot....... you know the normal stuff

Talon2.5

11-25-2003, 07:16 AM

heres the dash after i re-did it, it now has a red anodized steeringwheel with silver spokes and a red anodized handle under the glovebox :D

Talon2.5

11-25-2003, 07:21 AM

heres a pic of a custom rear fairing i made for it

then one night i heard crackling hoises out by the boat in the back yard i thought someone was out there

turned out the trim pump had shorted out and trimmed itself up and broke my custom fairing :(

Talon2.5

11-25-2003, 07:24 AM

here it is the next day after i re-did the dash and painted the whole top deck and dash.......................

Talon2.5

11-25-2003, 07:30 AM

oh heres a pic of the dashwork in progress.....what a mess i made!!!!

check out the old black windshield area and you can see where the old stripes accross the front were, and the original side panels were still there, you cant see it here but i still had the original seats...............

99fxst99

11-25-2003, 07:36 AM

Hey Guys-

Thanks for the replies-good info and good reading. I am set up on a 5" manual jack with the point 1/2 - 3/4 below the pad, don't have a precise number as I have to slide the boat back on the trailer to get my fixture on it.

The boat interior is still stock configuration with the batt and oil tank behind the back seat. The motor is a 2.4 200hp of an offshore fishing boat with LOTS of hours, but it still runs 80 on the Gaffrig @ 6200 with a small blade 26 chopper. Lower unit is a 1.87 CLE with the steel shaft. Haven't tried too many props yet as I am just getting back into this project after getting rid of the Evinrude 150 that was originally on it.

I'll try to get some dif pix on soon, but that damn camera frustrates me sometimes so please be patient.

I like the boat as it is fun to drive, unique, and rides good for what it is. Its a shame they didn't catch on as it is a well built boat.

As for my other passion, we rode to Williamsburg for lunch Saturday, the leaves are in full fall colors and temp was unseasonably warm. The parkway was full of bikes grabbing that last bit of nice weather.

Happy Thanksgiving!!

Smokey

Talon2.5

11-25-2003, 07:43 AM

this is the first time on the water after re-doing the old girl, hotboat magazine was there on this particular hot boat weekend event and there was an older lady that wrote/writes for the mag and her photographer took some shots of my newly revamped ride, i didnt have the second bucket seat yet for the rear ...........

Talon2.5

11-25-2003, 07:45 AM

the leaves are in full fall colors

oh man that must have been a sweet ride!!!

Talon2.5

11-25-2003, 08:06 AM

heres what it looks like right now

this photo courtesy of apollo imaging from our syndicate end of summer blowout 2003 :D

Hottrucks

11-25-2003, 08:51 AM

Hey t2.5 I noticed that you also moved the steerin cables so they exit in the rears is that correct? also I think , according to Rob at Talon I have the only one with a windshield? It was replaced with a fairing as the windshield(tinted or smoked) was so expencive to build. If you look at the pic on the front of the fly (bottom left /T-18) the boat in that pic is mine!If you look close you'll see that if you where 2' tall you could look thru it.
As for the jack plate / setback that 10" I hope won't be to much so I'll go after it a little harder and get it in my palms.
Like I said I'll try to get some pics when I take it out but there will probablly be snow around it before I get a chance with the holidays and all.

99 stay off the trim button with out a jack I noticed with mine that it's pretty easy to lift the nose to the point that bad things can happen in a hurry!!! Expecially if you get a stray head wind !!
Play hard but be careful Dad allway said "Don't race convertables"
But what does he know!!

p.s. You suck! I took my bike out for the last time on sat and froze my F^$^K'n A off even with my soft lowers and chaps!!
You don't have to rub it in!!!
Ha Ha!!
p.s.s T is that goofy guy in the boat you??

99fxst99

11-25-2003, 09:53 AM

ht-I have found soft lowers and chaps to be a bad combo-funnels tha cold breeze right to your balls, and ,you know, when your balls get cold EVERYTHING is cold!!
T2.5-you probably don't even have a pair of chaps down there.
I rode from Ft. L to Marathon and up to Winter Haven last Feb, had a blast calling home and making everyone jealous.

Talon2.5

11-25-2003, 10:52 AM

no chaps here :D gotta get a new front tire for the bike to go any distance, it's down to the inspection marks :eek:

was gonna ride it to work today but the front tire and threat of some rain swayed me to take the van :(

oh ....yeah thats my ugly ass in the boat;)

Talon2.5

11-25-2003, 03:37 PM

went back through this thread and saw this question.........
so they exit in the rears is that correct
not sure what ya mean on that but the cables come out the same side and at the very back of the boat

gonna go back through and search for links on stuff i did with and to the boat and post them here...........

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22331&highlight=talon2.5

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21491&highlight=talon2.5

heres one i did on custom exhaust if you want to do it....
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21458&highlight=talon2.5

before and after shots of the checkered flag removal......
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21458&highlight=talon2.5

Hottrucks

11-25-2003, 04:14 PM

Yea I'm gonna need a sneaker on the back when I get down to tampa I've got 7k on it and thats about all you get. A $100 tire ain't worth a crash. Been there done that and tore the shirt up !!!!!

Yes that is what I meant? Is that something that you changed? Because of the set back ? that was a though of mine I don't want to hack up this boat!!! I also noticed the engine wind deflector is that you to? did you put it in place of the rear pad behind the back of the rear seat? I'm trying to keep it as stock as I can. It's not the buget it's that it's the first one and I like the idea of keeping it that way.paste on or retro fit are OK but I hate to drill holes.
My other bad habit in the winter is building street rods so now you know where that came from!! I'm building a 35 international P/U (dually with air ride and a stout small block(383)and a four on the floor with a 5th under the seat) to haul my boat for next year I'm 2 yrs into it but getting close enough to making it drive that spring isn't out of the question by ay means,and yes I saw it You should have seen my 76 C car I just sold that, it was my old high school car bought it back for awhile after 11 years with only 4k more miles(327 4spd 3:83 10's on pumpgas and a sniff)

Boy do you side track me are you my alter ego??

Hottrucks

11-25-2003, 05:10 PM

I'm lost a little and this is new to me with my powerhead off it sound like a good time to do this. If I remove the can are there any perfomance gains and how much?What are the effects on carberation ? and exhaust flow? if it's getting out easyer than how about making it get in easyer any good tips that are quick and and easy for my stock cowl? Good to see you can cap them off I'm a regular a Db testing in NH ( me and the fish cops are on first names now ) you can only be 89Db at 50' at WOT. and don't ask about the test you break every law you can imagine when you test.
I also have a big block 24' chapparal Villian with straight pipes out the transom (need I say why I get complaints at night when ripping across the lake) I look like an aircraft carrier with search lights on the bow and 8-10 drunks hanging every where and everytime I stop someone wants to cum for fish!!!!

Talon2.5

11-26-2003, 06:21 AM

all the holes in the rear for cables and hydraulic hoses (used to have a bobs hydraulic jackplate on it) were there when i bought the boat

if the cops are that bad up there i probably wouldnt mess with the exhaust can, just removing the can and not cutting the holes wont achieve anything and when the exhaust mod is done you wont pass the decibal test ;)

if you do the exhaust the way i posted you dont have to re-jet but removing the airbox and putting on velogity stacks (if your carbed) would be in order

i dont mess with dry stacking a lake boat, race boat.... yes

as far as the stock clamshell cowl, theres not much room for improvement there, get a bobs fiberglass one piece cowl or look for a good deal on one in the misc parts threads here

if your running a 2 piece mid-plate i would suggest 1 of 2 things.....go with a 1 piece plate......or........get solid upper mounts before putting it back together

ok.......on to.......went for a short bike ride last night, was chilly with no jacket but not so chilly it was a problem, it was nice!! it was a short ride though since i got home late from work, played around with making a highway peg deal for it, came out ok but need to buy a CHROMED set that fits the bike, i just made this one to see how i liked it and if it was worth buying a set, found out it is :D
been busy on a harley message board also :D

Ft. L to Marathon and up to Winter Haven
damn thats a ride!!!

Hottrucks

11-26-2003, 05:23 PM

Well it looks like your talking me out of any exhaust mods. I may step up to V stacks but the motor mounts are a must I down in Ct. for the holiday but when I return on sunday I'll be checking around for both if you know anyplace that reasonable (lol) let me know. For now I just finished doing the valve train on a 4.6 dual overhead cam in my Lincoln Mark VIII don't try this at home it sucks!!but it's back together in time to make the trip.I alos get to go to my class reunion to see what the rest of the Idiots have been doing with there misserable lifes!!

HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT TURKEY DAY A BEST WISHES FOR THE HOLIDAYS TO YOUR FAMILIES !!!!!

Jeff

Talon2.5

11-28-2003, 05:41 AM

you can get motor mounts through "bobs machine" in ruskin florida or if ya know a machinist to can give him these specs......

or ricks posted below, they can get them for ya......

Rickracer

11-28-2003, 06:08 AM

http://rickracers.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=13&products_id=46

Price posted is retail, email for your S&F discounted price.:cool:

Talon2.5

11-28-2003, 06:18 AM

going over to the harley board now ;)

Talon2.5

12-01-2003, 06:44 AM

had the boat out today, only hit 93.something on GPS so gonna raise the motor the rest of the way (1/2 inch) and i will be maxed out on how high i can go :( then we will see in a week or 2 what it will do ;)

heres a link to Lamar's pick of yesterdays run....
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=359516

Hottrucks

12-03-2003, 08:00 PM

I'm looking for a portable gas tank on wheels to fill my boat like the tempo one or something like it do you know where to get one cheap!!!!!!!!!

Talon2.5

12-04-2003, 11:19 AM

only place i remember seeing one of those is in an OVERTONS catalogue ;)

99fxst99

12-04-2003, 02:45 PM

I've got one, sure is handy. I think Northern Equipment (Northern Hydraulics) carries then too

Rickracer

12-05-2003, 07:34 PM

:eek: :D :cool:

Talon2.5

12-09-2003, 12:47 PM

hey 99 and hotrucks,

went to a harley cookout saturday with my old sporty, had a live band and free lunch, pretty cool bikes there, lotta fun, saw some old friends and made new ones, will see them all again soon at the next gathering

love riding that bike!! :D

99fxst99

12-09-2003, 03:38 PM

winter has set in up here..... ya killin' me!!!!

Talon2.5

12-10-2003, 08:47 AM

oh, sorry man i forgot :(

Hottrucks

12-10-2003, 06:00 PM

You guys cann't B"tch!! It snowed 26" up here friday and saturday the temp has been in the minus every morning and now there saying that tommorrow it's going to rain and ice all day !!!!I shoveled the driveway and now the roof (Yes the roof ,You know nothing about that unless you lived in northern new england ) I cann't wait for the lake to thaw and that should happen about F$^*%%k'n MAY!!!!!!!!! Any day now the engine shop should call for me to pick up my new engine just to rub it in a little!

But the good thing is only 15 days till my HD in in Fla. and I'm packing on the miles. If anybody is offering I'll be up for some boat rides in central Fla. Hint Hint!!!! Or any where along 95 on my way south or north???Hint Hint!!

Talon2.5

12-11-2003, 01:08 AM

hottrucks
ive been talking on the phone with a few folks about doing a boating run the weekend after christmas (sunday), you gonna be here then? (dec. 28th) may likely be doing the boating run in winter haven

i originally lived in framingham massachusetts and recall some "roof shoveling" but hell ive been in florida since 1972 and most of my memories as a kid of the snow are faded

the movie "christmas story" brings back alot of northern memories

later,
skip

Hottrucks

12-11-2003, 04:19 PM

I'll be there I'm leaving NH on Xmas Day Morning and will be in tampa the morning of the 26th I'll have to see where winter haven is on the map in relation to tampa and I would love to check it out!!!

Talon2.5

12-14-2003, 08:51 AM

winterhaven is roughley an hour east of tampa maybe less :D

go to mapquest and check her out :D i will later and see what i can get for ya, we always meet up at the resaurant bar called harborside ;)

Hottrucks

12-15-2003, 08:41 AM

Found it the map say's 35 miles so that ain't bad , I'll have to see if I can find out where Harborside is then I can get direction there. What time do you meet there ? What kind of lake is it ? it looks small on the map but you know better than they do

Thanx

Hottrucks

12-15-2003, 08:43 AM

I HAVE TO LEARN NOT TO tUYPE aNgRY!!!!!!!!!!! But it's SNOWING again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

99fxst99

12-15-2003, 08:46 AM

Man, you guys are makin it hard on me. The fact that I'm jammed up at work is the only thing keeping me from making this a 3-some. That and figuring out how to trailer the boat and bike at the same time!! I have some old family friends in Winter Haven that would love to see me drop in. Maybe next time.
Have fun and keep me in the loop!!
Smokey

Talon2.5

12-15-2003, 02:04 PM

hottrucks PM vector pat and ask what exit off of I-4 going east and he can talk you in to harborside, we can exchange numbers through PM's to set times and such

99fxst, it would be cool for all 3 of us to meet up sometime and swap notes on the talons :D

skip

Talon2.5

12-17-2003, 01:24 PM

HERES THE LINK TO THE WEEKEND AFTER X-MAS BOATING DISCUSSION IF YA HAVENT SEEN IT

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48868

Hottrucks

12-17-2003, 03:08 PM

Just printed it off!!
How big is the lake it looks small? But I look forward to seeing some hot boats and warmer weather!!Are you bringing your Talon?
My buddy's down there now and said it's only in the 60's. I told him to Go (...nevermind you can figure it out...) It's 30 degrees and raining !!You can imagine what everything looks like!!!And I didn't even get my skates sharpened yet or I'd be out in the driveway now.

Talon2.5

12-18-2003, 10:26 AM

well of course i'll bring the talon :D wish i could pull it with the bike ;)

yes thew lakes are small but it's a big chain so at least there's multiple lakes to jump to andd from and the harborside for food and drink :D

Hottrucks

12-19-2003, 03:59 PM

Talon

I'm outta here!! I'll call ya when I recover from the drive down. I m' leaveing Xmas morning and the other half has me booked with Family Xmas parties till I leave. :rolleyes: So if you don't here from me before then don't be suprised.I'm off to my Xmas party now :p Last chance to breath till then !! Probablly Friday afternoon or sat morning before you hear from me. Warm up that sun, and we'll set the water on fire when I get there!!
See ya soon!!!!!!!!!!

Hey 9's it's not to late I can pick you up on my way thru!!!!!!!!!!
I'll be going by you about 3am or so!! Just grab on and you can explain it to you Boss later :D

Happy Holidays to You and Yours

From Me and Mine ;)