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David
03-21-2024, 05:02 PM
There was an article in the business section of my newspaper yesterday about why selling hydrogen to the world will not work for Canada. There is some thought that with abundant hydro electric power, Canada could make hydrogen and sell it to the energy hungry Europeans.

"Green hydrogen, the only near-zero-emission form of hydrogen and the one that is sought by countries such as Germany, takes vast amounts of renewable electricity in the form of wind or solar power to produce. As a result, it costs four to six times the price of natural gas. Europe isn’t interested in the majority of Canada’s current higher-emission hydrogen production, made from fossil fuels with partial carbon capture..."


"In fact, no hydrogen export industry exists anywhere in the world in 2024, despite a long list of trade deals, and large-scale transport of hydrogen has yet to become a reality. Moving hydrogen across long distances involves huge energy losses, as simply liquefying it for transport consumes as much as 30 per cent of its energy, while transport involves further daily losses. Even if industry turns to shipping hydrogen as ammonia, the crux of the issue remains. If Canadian ammonia were to be used to make electricity at a final destination in Europe, just 23 per cent of the original energy input would remain at the end of the process. This is a highly unalluring deal European partners are unlikely to entertain long term."

Reading it reminding me of an Engineering Explained video about a dual fuel BMW that ran on gasoline and hydrogen. The hydrogen was stored as a liquid to try to overcome the lack of density of compressed gas hydrogen. EE is also not bullish on hydrogen. Some of the highlights about the dual fuel vehicle:

• A lot slower on hydrogen
• In this vehicle, the hydrogen port injected as gas. This displaced 30% of volume in cylinder, leaving less room for air, therefore less power
• Liquid hydrogen at -253C warms quickly and start to evaporate
• Starts to vent after 17 hours
• Storing ˝ tank will be down to 12 miles range in 9 days
• Full tank will empty in 10-12 days

The vehicle could only be stored outdoors as hydrogen venting into your garage is not the safest thing.

David - WI
03-21-2024, 06:07 PM
Like I said before, we will need to drastically increase our nuclear power output before hydrogen will be worth even considering... run the nukes WOT 24/7 and make hydrogen when other demand is low.

LakeFever
03-21-2024, 07:03 PM
We are doing it all entirely wrong. Entirely wrong. The whole system is fubar at the moment and we are raising up very, very few of the best and brightest because of D.I.E crap instead of rewarding brains and skill. We need to culture the best and brightest minds to work towards better solutions than we currently have as well as looking at ways to make more HP per gallon than we currently do. we need gains and competence instead of focusing on virtue and freebies due to some sort of victim/oppressor nonsense if we ever want to improve.

Nuc has potential but we have already had two major and a couple minor meltdowns with it. Too risky to go hog wild. Some expansion yes sure with increased safety designs. All nuc plants should be built below ground right beside major bodies of fresh water so if anything goes wrong? Open the flood gates. This would have prevented both Chernobyl and Fukushima from total catastrophe.

Anyways all the focus needs to be on rewarding and especially on supporting our best and brightest students. The way we treat smart capable kids now is disgusting

David - WI
03-21-2024, 07:11 PM
The other reasons listed will still be obstacles even if we have nearly unlimited, cheap power.

Stoker boy
03-25-2024, 03:00 PM
Why not hydrogen, because it probably doesn’t line the politicians pockets good enough.If clean energy is going to take money out of their pockets do you think they’re really going to push it?