electric catamaran boat to set world record

[Brad Zastrow]

10-year battery life? Good to know that every 2012-2014 Tesla is now DOA. LOL. Amazing that on the internet you can find any line of BS to support an opinion a person has. Here is an idea, don't buy an EV. Why the hate?

[CUDA]

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero/electric-vehicles-myths-misconceptions

[Chaz]

RR .. ya lost me @ give it a break .. :cheers:

Is it true they call her Zesty Stacy ... axin for a friend .. ;)

For the zombie hate America team that needs to be reminded ... yet again :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/laSpPtcl.jpg

[PanRonnie]

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero/electric-vehicles-myths-misconceptions

Not a word about nuclear power!?
https://www.edfenergy.com/energy/nuclear-new-build-projects/hinkley-point-c

or britain plans to be to the top leader in SMR fuel generation
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/UK%C2%A0SMR-selection-contest-Six-companies-into-next
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/britain-invest-300-mln-pounds-next-generation-nuclear-fuel-programme-2024-01-07/


that is not to say there is not a small solar light at the end of the tunnel
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-repeat-nuclear-fusion-breakthrough-in-a-step-toward-more-clean-energy-180982683/

But with on location hydrogen generation it is going to be interesting what will be the winner

https://youtu.be/RAEhhYqMEBE?si=lzgFUitdo_IO-Ost

[Brad Zastrow]

Fact check please. Not sure where Cheez get his info but EV carbon footprint breaks even after 13,500 miles. Battery life is 200,000 miles or more. The warranty on most EV cars is 100,000 miles. How many ICE cars have that? If a battery needs to be replaced it can be done with used packs from smashed cars. It is very rare. The batteries are recycled when finished. Hybrid cars use battery packs as well and many car dealers I have talked with have never heard of a failure. It is amazing how the internet spreads so much misinformation about everything. I personally do not care about any of this with our Tesla. I bought it because it one of the best and fastest cars I have owned. Maybe I should get on my soapbox and say all BMW gas engines are junk. I had a BMW M6 V10 that lost a cylinder at 40,000 miles. I took a big loss on that car as the cost to replace or rebuild the engine was crazy money. 40 hours labor just to pull the engine as the front half of the car had to come off. No thanks. Point is cars sometimes breakdown be it EV or ICE. Fact is EV cars have far less moving parts and fewer repairs.

[PanRonnie]

Breaks even at 13500 miles?
Hmmm

https://youtu.be/S1E8SQde5rk?si=H-GqmKHQCHSpcEUe

Repair should indeed be lower yet they are not

https://youtu.be/blkRvcuc7kI?si=35UGILEYsA9TAUX4

A fender bender on a tesla will give a ridicoulous repair bill because of all the sensors on the car
Removing that crap would go a long way
If you want a self driving car put it on a train car

[CUDA]

RR .. ya lost me @ give it a break .. :cheers:

Is it true they call her Zesty Stacy ... axin for a friend .. ;)

For the zombie hate America team that needs to be reminded ... yet again :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/laSpPtcl.jpg


More bull****, like always Rumpsters love lies...

The dealership scammed a kid. He just had a scrape on the battery cover plate.

https://youtu.be/dr3mFzh0KSk

This was in Canada. The actual price for a new battery was $22,000. American, which was not needed in the first place

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/h...nt-226272.html

Dealership doubles the price for Insurance.

One good thing that happened was Hyundai sent a notice to all dealerships that Corporate wants to know about every incident with

Batteries so this does not happen again,

Stealerships steal.

[powerabout]

That's the responsibility of the developer owner operator, most of the 20-30 year old machines are useless compared to today efficiency and capacity factors show this in lower class wind. You can can't compare that old stuff to today's designs which are for the most part are being accepted by the best manufacturers for correct end use recycling and disposal when time comes.

Bats too, plenty of new facilities for that purpose.

Should add on ebikes, they're great if you were into cycling and later had issues that prevent strenuous exercise. Buy the good quality certification bikes , batteries have be starting fires in houses, garages , on public transportation vehicles, everywhere.
Can you explain recycling of blades, I dont think its invented yet.
You know when it is as boats will be recycled

[CUDA]

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/energy-explained/can-wind-turbine-blades-be-recycled


https://youtu.be/X-5fDLskeTg


https://youtu.be/HzQShAlObn8?si=56mkdYXnxgAW2ap4

[David]

Break even at 13,500 miles is the lowest estimate that I have seen, from the Argonne National Laboratory. It might be true for me. I would have a smallish 77 kwh battery pack and charge at night using electricity that is 100% nuclear or hydro generated (true for Ontario)

Autoweek estimated break even at 19,000 miles
Ford estimated break even at 1.3.-1.6 years, depending upon vehicle. The average car in the US goes 13,500 miles, so Ford is saying 17,750-21,600 miles
Volvo estimated 30,000 miles using 0% fossil fuel electricity generation, 48,000 mile using the current EU electricity mix
Its interesting how far apart Volvo and Ford are
The National Observer (Canadian news site) estimated lifetime ICE car emissions at 80 tons, and lifetime EV emissions at 13 tons. They assumed 7.8 liters/100 km fuel economy (30 mpg), a 70 kwh battery pack, and 314,000 km (195,000 miles) vehicle life. The report noted that batteries would likely outlast the car and could possibly be repurposed for electricity storage.

I cannot find an estimate of 80,000 mile break even, but I know how to do it. Assume a big battery pack. Everyone wants a lot of range, but a lot of range means a big battery and a lot of initial CO2 emissions. Its possible that the GM Hummer CO2 break even point is never. My view is that if someone wanted to minimize their C02 emissions and could not live without big range, a hybrid is a better option then pure EV.

The big variables in estimating payback are fuel efficiency (yes it matters for EVs), battery size, and how the electricity is made.

At the risk of returning to the original topic, my expectation is that the CO2 break even point for an EV boat is never. At least with current technology, pun intended. But it's fun to see what is possible.

[David]

A fender bender on an F150 could result in a $5000 bill just for the tail light

https://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/over-5k-to-replace-modern-ford-f-150-taillights/

Its possible that current vehicles are overly complex.

[powerabout]

The only thing an EV can do without argument is remove pollution from a city.
If that was true ( which it is) the gov would have forced/subsidized all taxi services to convert right?

[PanRonnie]

A fender bender on an F150 could result in a $5000 bill just for the tail light

https://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/over-5k-to-replace-modern-ford-f-150-taillights/

Its possible that current vehicles are overly complex.

I believe you just made my case, to elaborate
My before mentioned christmas lights on the dashboard of my Q7 were due to a broken brake assist servo inside the vacuum brake enhancer which also took out my ABS unit
Total repair bill € 5500,- after the steering wheel column replacement begin 2023 last year was not a shining one
And offcourse the electrical fuel cap opener stopped working
Enough is enough ty rips work
That you can build things that last is proven by toyota

https://youtu.be/TL7fyyUNRmA?si=7zPGO2GS6k4S1rUJ

[Instigator]

https://www.tradeonlytoday.com/tech/mercury-unveils-new-electric-outboards

[David]

Small world, I've met Mike Sweers from the Toyota video above. He would not remember me. The Toyota truck in the video is old and relatively simple. Newer Toyotas are also more complex. But if I had to bet on a vehicle lasting a long time, I'd go Toyota.

[PanRonnie]

Simple is good! :cheers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle

[Instigator]

Hertz just announced they are unloading 20,000 battery cars and replacing them w/gas.

Hummmmmm, what could they possibly be seeing ��

[CUDA]

Tesla started a price war last year, and everyone who had an EV lost lots of Value,

My brother was just about to sell his 6 year old S and he lost around $20,000 because they dropped the high end car a LOT I'm

talking about the New X and S models dropped almost $ 20,000.

So the bean counters say EVs don't hold their value, very untrue, before Tesla's big price dropped values stayed very high.

Growing Pains and nothing more,







It's been three years...

https://winknews.com/2020/08/25/fire-that-destroyed-nearly-4000-rental-cars-at-rsw-causing-100m-in-damage-ruled-accidental/

From what I read, It's not normal wear and tear maintenance cost, those are lower, but drivers are more prone to front-end.

accidents. with EVS and those cost are higher,

When I'm at a stop light on my 1400 Kawasaki bike and there is a Tesla next to me I

have a 50 % chance he wants to race, that doesn't happen with other cars but many Tesla drivers are game. If they have a twin

motor model, they become racers...

Tesla's are known to accelerate quickly and have poor brakes:cheers:



Can't get insurance money from EVs

[powerabout]

https://boatingindustry.com/top-news/2024/01/11/mercury-unveils-newest-electric-outboards/?oly_enc_id=7576C2190245A8R
Will they turn up in freedom boating or just for a few months then they get the Hertz reality moment?

"Its the battery Dummy"

[PanRonnie]

https://boatingindustry.com/top-news/2024/01/11/mercury-unveils-newest-electric-outboards/?oly_enc_id=7576C2190245A8R
Will they turn up in freedom boating or just for a few months then they get the Hertz reality moment?

"Its the battery Dummy"



Stupidity is going to kill us long before the climate will
Global warming is not all bad

https://youtu.be/ON-YyNY9yJY?si=6jU960ssWRbrXvfx

528772

[powerabout]

Wind power or sun power, choose one.

[Instigator]

More on Hertz.

BTW, a friend was recently telling me his girl just bought a Tesla S.

Said wicked fast from 0 - 60 but you could watch range for down w/it.

She just bought it and was unsure she had range to get home.

Paid $15k for self driving option.
Said while self driving an incoming driver veered into their lane and instead of steering to avoid it. It locked up the brakes!

While another car was tail gating them!

Said you cannot jack up a corner to change a flat as it will twist its alum frame.
Must be flat topped…, for a flat!

Yeah, sign me up!

[NICE PAIR]

If you don’t mind, pick one up for me, I’ll write you a check. ;)

[CRH1]

More on Hertz.

BTW, a friend was recently telling me his girl just bought a Tesla S.

Said wicked fast from 0 - 60 but you could watch range for down w/it.

She just bought it and was unsure she had range to get home.

Paid $15k for self driving option.
Said while self driving an incoming driver veered into their lane and instead of steering to avoid it. It locked up the brakes!

While another car was tail gating them!

Said you cannot jack up a corner to change a flat as it will twist its alum frame.
Must be flat topped…, for a flat!

Yeah, sign me up!

Hertz is selling 1/3 of its electric cars to buy gas cars instead | CNN Business (https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/11/business/hertz-tesla-selling/index.html)

[XstreamVking]

I have a friend with a Hertz franchise.....They HATE the electric stuff! But some people INSIST on renting them. So they have to make them go away to eliminate the problems they cause. Really big one is insurance, another is they are returned near dead most of the time and they can't recharge them with a quick enough turn around time when they are busy. Normal turn around time for an ICE rental is less than 1/2 hr. EV might be several hours.

[Chaz]

If they do away with the POS golf carts .......>

How will all the ego maniacs with an inferiority complex , separate themselves for the rest of the left wing yuppies ... :eek:

[David]

It seemed odd to me that a Tesla could not be jacked up to change a tire. I asked Mr Google how to change a Tesla tire. Lots of videos show that it is possible to jack a Tesla corner. The cars do not come with a jack. One needs a floor jack and an adapter. Not as simple as my modern rides, but I own a floor Jack. It is easier to lift a Tesla then my 1969 Lotus.

Some, maybe all, EVs need to be towed on a flatbed. In the Kia EV6 manual it says this has something to do with the regenerative braking.

[Chaz]

Sad that this basic chickie .. gotz more horse sense than the TDS libbazoids .. :p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWqPT9olQy4&t=332s

[CUDA]

Yes, the city of Naples amended its Noise Ordinance in October 2020 to prohibit the use of gasoline-powered leaf blowers,

Noise Pollution, like Karen Chaz's lack of intellectual content, is more noise pollution.

[PanRonnie]

Yes, the city of Naples amended its Noise Ordinance in October 2020 to prohibit the use of gasoline-powered leaf blowers,

Noise Pollution, like Karen Chaz's lack of intellectual content, is more noise pollution.


I am all for making things less noisy!
Start with heat pumps and planes

Aalsmeer is really a nice place unless a sixties designed 747 hops over it heading east

An apperment i rent out has this nice contraption in the backyard it makes 57 Dba at idle and is used for the heat screen below in the shop
because that's what you do when it's cold you open the doors and turn up the heat
3 months and counting busy with the nice headoffice people of the shop explaining they are not complying with the law on noise pollution
now i did mention something about stupidity before


https://youtube.com/shorts/gJZ9NdKCeqs?si=V6GDz4VRUvFSJVMQ

[bouyhead]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRUg2NXmLd0

[NICE PAIR]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRUg2NXmLd0 “For the Greater Good” :thumbsup:

[Chaz]

Ronnie ... brother ... please don't quote THE VILLAGE IDIOT ... :eek:

He's on idiot block ... :(

The woman makes perfect sense , and his dumb azz calls her a Karen .. :rolleyes:

I don't know how I didn't realize it before .. but CRAP's full name is ..

Lil Jimmie de Rainbow Idiotto Karen CRUD ;)

Karen CRUD .. you and Bradley bring your POS golf carts to the dunes .. :D

Even the peeps from the land of fruits and nuts (no offence Nice Pair) :smiletest: know that gas and corn is king ... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlNxME1gtv8

[CUDA]

Your answer about Hertz selling EVs...

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/14/the-ev-revolution-in-the-us-is-just-getting-started/

[powerabout]

that article didnt mention what the others have, cost to repair from accidents and cars being writeoffs hence insurance costs up.

[PanRonnie]

Ronnie ... brother ... please don't quote THE VILLAGE IDIOT ... :eek:

He's on idiot block ... :(

The woman makes perfect sense , and his dumb azz calls her a Karen .. :rolleyes:

I don't know how I didn't realize it before .. but CRAP's full name is ..

Lil Jimmie de Rainbow Idiotto Karen CRUD ;)

Karen CRUD .. you and Bradley bring your POS golf carts to the dunes .. :D

Even the peeps from the land of fruits and nuts (no offence Nice Pair) :smiletest: know that gas and corn is king ... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlNxME1gtv8

Was it not " live, liberty, and the pursuit of being an idiot" god knows i try
This idiot is going to glue himself to his nuclear powered snowboard next week

[CUDA]

https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

Google Tesla accident rate, it is the highest, yet it is the safest car also, why because many become racers, playing around, hot rods,

so the accident rate is the highest, I'm telling you they want to race at the light, My bike is a 10.25 at 130mph 1/4 mile machine so

yes it's fun to pull away from them, but in Florida racing is a misdemeanor and you go to jail:eek:

Also, racing from a light when there is a crown in the road is special, If you have traction control on it will cut the power when your

Front tire lifts so you go from one extreme to another, not fun.

when you least expect it


New battery breakthrough ..
https://electrek.co/2024/01/15/harvard-solid-state-battery-charges-in-minutes/

[Chaz]

Was it not " live, liberty, and the pursuit of being an idiot" god knows i try

Brother Ronnie, I have always given everyone the "benefit of doubt". CRUD has proven beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt .. that he is a hopeless cause, that will always be stuck at the bottom rung of the latter ... he works hard every day and is seriously committed to retaining the title of village idiot .. :thumbsup:



This idiot is going to glue himself to his nuclear powered snowboard next week

Before you lump Cleetus Mcfarland in the idiot pile with CRUD .. googige his you tube yearly earnings. Bought a run down race track in the middle of a pandemic, fixed it up better than new .. and puts on sold out shows every time he swings the gates open.
Nuclear snowboard .. no but he did put his sand car on tracks and front ski's for runnin in that thick, white rain .. you guys get .. ;)
I saw today where he is now licensed to fly Blackhawk Helicopters. Young man with a vision and the guts to carry out his dreams. :cheers:

Chaz = wunderin why the left tards have yet to answer my simple question :

What would happen if the idiots in charge of many countries , made it illegal to sell gasoline, diesel, JP-1, kerosine, benzene, toluene, methanol, as of 12:00 midnight tonight ... ???

Go head tards .. tell me about the utopian society we would have ... come sun-up :p

[Brad Zastrow]

Read the articles regarding why Teslas have a higher crash rate. Biggest factor is they are faster than most sports cars which also have higher crash rates. Myself and several of my friends who own Rivian and Tesla cars and SUV's all love them. I own a C-8 Vette and a Porsche, the insurance is high on those cars as well. Don't care as they are all nice cars. Here is an idea don't buy an EV if you think they are so bad. To each their own. I am pretty sure when everyone had a horse and buggy and the first autos came out there were lots of complainers.

[GaryConn]

Brad, I don't think it's as much as they don't like EV's. It's the way the govt's are trying to shove them them down our throats .

[Instigator]

By buddies friend bought an electric Ford truck and towed his 4500 lb camper w/it the first time on their vacation.

Made it 80 mls!

I know, he was towing w/it.

ITS A TRUCK!!!!

[David]

Maybe the Ram 'Ramcharger' truck is the answer for towing. It will have a V6 that is not connected to the drivetrain. The V6 charges the batteries as required. Car and Driver expects 145 mile range as EV only, and then the range extender kicks in.

2025 model year.

[David]

Maybe the 2025 Ramcharger will be the answer for electrified pick up towing. It will have a V6 engine that is not connected to the drivetrain. The gas engine just charges the battery. 145 mile EV range when not towing. Normal pick up range after that.

[Chaz]

80 miles ... sweet .. :rolleyes:

Maybe the Britts .. have come up with a better way .. :D :D :D

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1893741854263613

The full episode is worth the laugh ... but for those not on Fazebook ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCSNCs7bwCw

[NICE PAIR]

Wow!

[CUDA]

By buddies friend bought an electric Ford truck and towed his 4500 lb camper w/it the first time on their vacation.

Made it 80 mls!

I know, he was towing w/it.

ITS A TRUCK!!!!

I HAVE to agree with you on that; Ford's EV truck is downright pitiful.


I'm waiting for the EV Silverado pickup,

I heard talk of 450 miles a charge, time will tell,

I don't want a Cybertruck that only gets 300 miles,

After owing a Zero EV motorcycle with a double battery and being frustrated with the range

I'm not going to spend $100,000. on a LIE

The reason I was on board was his claim of 500+ miles then almost cut it in half,

No way, bait and switch, Those new batteries that they are using in these trucks have not lived up to his Hype,

I believe we all understand Elon sells dreams, then tries really hard to deliver,

Original deal $79,900. 500+ range

They notified me since I was early like 5 minutes from opening orders, I can get the $120,000. + version

Really only $40,000.00 + more and no 500-mile range,

I'm waiting to see what GM has coming out,

450 is the minimum in my world.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/ford-f150-lightning-electric-truck-towing-test/

[CUDA]

https://www.gmc.com/future-vehicles/sierra-ev-denali

https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/silverado-ev

[Instigator]

Top Gear!

Reports today that the extreme cold up here has shut down a bunch of Tesla super charger stations.

Like cars sitting for 24 hrs w/no charging and owners giving up and having them towed.

Think it’ll make the main stream news?
Conspiracy theories right?

Or the ones down south in the flooded parking lots!

Just do as we say…….., and stay in line!




80 miles ... sweet .. :rolleyes:

Maybe the Britts .. have come up with a better way .. :D :D :D

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1893741854263613

The full episode is worth the laugh ... but for those not on Fazebook ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCSNCs7bwCw

[Chaz]

Top Gear!

Reports today that the extreme cold up here has shut down a bunch of Tesla super charger stations.

Like cars sitting for 24 hrs w/no charging and owners giving up and having them towed.

Think it’ll make the main stream news?
Conspiracy theories right?

Or the ones down south in the flooded parking lots!

Just do as we say…….., and stay in line!

The ones that do put it in print ... only dance around edges .. :smiletest:

They are too chicken - **** to say .. Hey Mr. tax payer , your money is subsidizing this climate hoax ... fix .. :(

The DOJ should crack down on the skim + kick back program .. that's stealing your money .. :(

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/tesla-owners-say-ev-batteries-wont-charge-as-brutally-cold-temperatures-hit-chicago/ar-AA1n7FAq

Then there's the parrot program .. that sukka's like the garden weasel have fallen for. They don't get paid to spew TDS from every cavity. No facts to back anything up that they say. But if MSDNC says it .. it's gotta be true.
I'm startin to think .. the illegals should stay. (at least they seen to want to work) But we should deport all the hate America left wing commies. Look at all the damage they have done in three short years .. GTFO scumbags .. :D

Chi-town , humph, Chaz = thinkin, that ... well we know we aint gettin the truth :rolleyes:

[noli]

.


there are countries (Canada, Norway) that are colder and have no problems with their Tesla Super Chargers..., is it possible that there was a problem with those chargers only?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83mDbdnEjlo








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[CUDA]

Top Gear!

Reports today that the extreme cold up here has shut down a bunch of Tesla super charger stations.

Like cars sitting for 24 hrs w/no charging and owners giving up and having them towed.

Think it’ll make the main stream news?
Conspiracy theories right?

Or the ones down south in the flooded parking lots!

Just do as we say…….., and stay in line!

No matter the Truth, you don't care; ignorance is bliss.

Stupidity is a BIG factor, 90% charge at home in Norway where 25% of cars are EVs

and they don't have problems? Yes, stupid people do stupid things and don't know the WHOLE story.

https://insideevs.com/news/705338/norway-winter-ev-charging-no-trouble/

[Instigator]

I don’t remember specifics???

May have been do to increased ambient load from cold snap w/not enough backup designed into system orig???

My dad used to design power substations and that was part of the equation.

Just read that Wisc is approving rebuilding their power grid w/intent of building up their ev stations.

So, as always, those w/o the ev’s pay for those who do.

Pull the government support and let the free market figure it out.

It already is w/Ford dropping production of the their ev’s due to poor sales.

Their ev trucks are built by a buddy in Ky and he he says it’s so bad that they stopped construction of a battery plant and they leased the parking lot if the closed Kentucky Speedway to store their unsold elec trucks!

Strangely this doesn’t make the news due to the lefts/medias marching orders!

Fk off!


.


there are countries (Canada, Norway) that are colder and have no problems with their Tesla Super Chargers..., is it possible that there was a problem with those chargers only?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83mDbdnEjlo








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[Chaz]

The problem is not the changing station ... it's the whole EV concept.

If you Gretta Thornburg wanna-be's .. could see that, you'd have answered my question on how society would look today .. if the empty suits banned gasoline on
1-1- 2024. All I got from everyone of you global warming tree huggers is ... crickets :D

Speaking of the ozone layer ... amazing that the golf carts won't charge because it's too *******cold ... :rolleyes:

New class for 2024 Pro/tard .. better hurry and get in .. the entrants are dwindling rapidly ... :p

[OnPad]

Even if the grid is on, and could handle the load, lithium batterys don't work very good in cold weather. Dishcharge rate is seriously reduced. In the model rc world, battery warmers are utilized. When I run batterys under 50°f they hit the low voltage shut off instantly. Better put that ev in the garage.
Then you have the other side of the spectrum, too hot makes em puffy, and degrades lifespan, about 150° and your doing damage, 200°+ and a fire extinguisher probably won't help. Better not leave that ev parked out in the sun!
Oy yeah don't get em wet either.

Heard a little blurb about nuclear batterys someone was working on the other day. Supposedly for small electronic devices, phones etc, and dont need charging for 10 or 20 years. Maybe that will pan out,.... If they can keep people from getting radiation poisoning?

[David - WI]

50 years, supposedly. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tbsnews.net/tech/china-develops-radioactive-battery-keep-your-phone-charged-50-years-774510%3famp

[CUDA]

I totally agree our present Batteries

SUCK

But don't WORRY Grasshopper

MUCH BETTER CHIT is on the way

It's very bad Psychology to set a date for no more sales of gas chit.

Doing that is such a bad idea. Hopefully, that will change.

Range anxiety is REAL :cheers:

[David - WI]

It will change... after Nov. 5.

[noli]

.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5p1UR17fNU


















.

[CUDA]

Biggest factory, so what, how about a new factory to build something special in new design,

So many new battery breakthroughs are touted, now which one will be able to scale up to produce millions of cars. ?

Every year

2025 will be the start of REALLY new chit coming to the market, but it will take MUCH longer to become commonplace.

Once 500 to 700-mile range becomes common, 85% will charge at home.

Between new battery designs and recent breakthroughs in solar panels,

We will become self-sufficient,

I find it humorous that many are scared of solar energy; really, are you scared of FREE energy?

Here in Florida, the power companies can't build Solar farms fast enough,

and with recent breakthroughs in solar panels,

Perovskites and organic semiconductors, the change will speed up greatly

Once again we need the new batteries for solar to work,

https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/perovskite-solar-cells

https://youtu.be/Fft4UT7kGxg?si=9UR_mgPYKV4EU1YN

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-03714-y




GAME OVER.

[noli]

.


This factory shall create batteries for all Tesla cars and trucks as well as the $25K entry-level Tesla EVs ( and will also provide batteries for General Motors and Ford EVs )






.

[CUDA]

Great, BUT

Nothing new; we need new, better Ideas to come to market for multiple reasons...

Wise people say,

https://youtu.be/rDNjyKMEfnk?si=6iLdP2v9VcShrZs8

[noli]

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agreed.


I'm following the technology that NASA is perfecting ... Solid State Batteries!

showing a lot of promise there








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[Chaz]

It will change... after Nov. 5.

They will try to steal 2024 just like they did in 2020. if they do, we can kiss America good bye ... :(

The video above is just more ... if my aunt was my uncle BS :rolleyes:

Just wait , the new plant will produce .. XXX :rolleyes:

The new tech will break thru ... any day now :rolleyes:

Only an idiot ... still believes that BS ... :rolleyes:

Here is what the dim's really want ... China based **** box's built in Mexico.
Just think of how great it will be .. :rolleyes:
Every single transportation dollar will be leaving the United States for Communist China and Mexico. What will we get for our money, tin cans that barely run and when they do .. they do it for short distances at a time. Of course we get to keep all the poison battery's to sit in our junk yards and pollute our water supply when their short life is over. Pretty pathetic that we have moron's in this country that think this is a good idea. :mad:

Still no takers .. on how our society would look if the empty suits outlawed gasoline on 1 - 1 - 2024 .. ????

I'll bet you JAC off's can't wait to take delivery of your new JAC wagon .. :p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRx85zf1e5M

[David - WI]

Why do you think we need "new, better ideas" to come to market?
Climate change is a hoax, there's no shortage of gas or oil... we literally can just keep driving and flying and riding what we have; for another couple centuries.

[Chaz]

Maybe CRAP .. and nolo will step up and buy a 2025 Toyota ...... gas car :thumbsup:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amxZJvuNnEE

[Chaz]

Will be safe to return to Ford and Chevy dealerships as well ... :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwBs9I6Q8cw

[CUDA]

Mr know-it-all,

8 to 10 new batteries tech's ideas have already been developed in the lab,

But going from the lab to full-scale production takes years because that's a new issue; mass production.

has so many challenges. Everything must be created from scratch, you can't just order said machines to start production,

every single thing has to be designed to produce mega amounts at a reasonable price,

Elon Musk has said Production can be 1,000 times harder than engineering.

Easier Said than Done:rolleyes:

[JPEROG]

Common sense tells me to follow what the leaders in sales and reliability are doing. Then offer something additional to gain market share from them "this is called competition" and we as consumers are always the prize winner when normal open markets are in play. Toyota and Honda are building hybrids like crazy, they are outselling everyone as well, they have very low emission ratings for their production line (HELLO....) they have been kicking our ass for the past 12 years, if you can't beat them, join them....The government does not build cars and they surely should not break or support the companies that do.

Joe

[OnPad]

Toyota just came out with a $10,000 truck that we will not see in the U.S.......No air bags, no anti lock brakes, no excessive electronics, probably doesn't meet our impact standards, or emissions = no import. Reminds me of the EPA forced emission standards on everything 2 stroke, right down to a chainsaw, or weed wacker. Excessive government looking for job security, they get involved in everything. Which ends up costing everyone.

[noli]

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SAE to standardize Tesla NACS charging connector



as auto manufacturers move to this connector standard, they will be able to use Tesla charging stations


https://www.sae.org/news/2023/06/sae-to-standardize-nacs-charging-connector







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[powerabout]

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there are countries (Canada, Norway) that are colder and have no problems with their Tesla Super Chargers..., is it possible that there was a problem with those chargers only?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83mDbdnEjlo








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Maybe the hydro kept working...in the USA the green the windmills and solar panels stop when it snows?

[noli]

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Powerabout, my solar panels drop in production in the evening and during rain/snow. I should've gone with Tesla PowerWall batteries to help during those times.







Passer-bys like the Cybertruck


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clUvjo3xfzQ














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[noli]

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IF your Tesla does not charge in super cold temps (-30C) , follow what this person has done ..

1. your battery needs to be at least 20% charged and has been pre-conditioned before using a Supercharger
2. if #1 above is not achievable , then go to a level-2 charger to pre-condition and charge to >20% charge
3. return to a Supercharger to complete your vehicle's charging




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Nt5LNSvcM







CAT (Caterpillar Inc) trying EV in their construction and mining equipment


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_YQFnW-MUg











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[powerabout]

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Powerabout, my solar panels drop in production in the evening and during rain/snow. I should've gone with Tesla PowerWall batteries to help during those times.







Passer-bys like the Cybertruck


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clUvjo3xfzQ














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Sure but in ozzie they have just worked out if you have an ev you can only charge at public charger as you live in an apt.
EV's do remove city pollution but cost more to buy and drive than gas at the moment.
Not to mention insurance costs that are about to skyrocket and there will be many regulations where an EV can go whilst they have batteries in them.
I think the water shed will be the UK Luton airport fire resolution, Insurance will wake up then.
Maybe the Japs knew something we all overlooked...Ev's good, batteries bad

[Chaz]

Toyota just came out with a $10,000 truck that we will not see in the U.S.......No air bags, no anti lock brakes, no excessive electronics, probably doesn't meet our impact standards, or emissions = no import. Reminds me of the EPA forced emission standards on everything 2 stroke, right down to a chainsaw, or weed wacker. Excessive government looking for job security, they get involved in everything. Which ends up costing everyone.

They are protecting us from ourselves. Just look at the idiots still touting how great these golf carts are. :rolleyes:
I was a kid working at a Kawasaki shop when the 1973 Z1 900's came out. I saw that there was a raised boss on the right rear side that said "KICK STARTER" on it. Now if you don't know where the kick starter is on a motorcycle ... you deff didn't need to buy one of those bikes. :eek:

[David - WI]

Again, what "problem" are you pretending to solve with these EV's?
We have plenty of oil & natural gas. The "climate" isn't changing any more that it has throughout history.
The air is breathable & the water is drinkable.
Aluminum (and iron) engines are durable & recyclable.

2.5 million EV's registered in the US... no change in the climate hoax? :eek:

[David - WI]

North Carolina city spent millions on electric buses that don't run.
Three out of 5 electric buses the city of Asheville bought in 2018 are sitting idle.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/north-carolina-city-spent-millions-on-electric-buses-dont-run

[CUDA]

So childish,

https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/here-are-10-myths-about-climate-change

[Chaz]

Again, what "problem" are you pretending to solve with these EV's?
We have plenty of oil & natural gas. The "climate" isn't changing any more that it has throughout history.
The air is breathable & the water is drinkable.
Aluminum (and iron) engines are durable & recyclable.

2.5 million EV's registered in the US... no change in the climate hoax? :eek:


What the EV solved .. was it gave a small part of society a place to fit in.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/420741943_7167899649923316_763920901301382264_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=c42490&_nc_ohc=A_Ln8u64v8AAX_XpbBD&_nc_oc=AQlRBDb8aANFqIwUJLJLpJGBmxmeVln-TE84O4V6kL4ycFM2SmzTTu-k9WaHO-jwOdVAg865m_UcllGwnGCscbwX&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfDA7Udtgdrv5krcD6VMpC0QmiozyxL0jVVNI2m28O7Lzw&oe=65B5E8DD

[powerabout]

So childish,

https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/here-are-10-myths-about-climate-change

I'll bet you cant find any temperature data that has not been homgenised...gee i wonder why.
Already had that scandal in ozzie.
A privately owned thermometer ( where 3 generations recorded) showed no change in temp for 80 yrs and the gov had the data.
Gov told the dept to shred it, scientists took it home so we all found out.

[David - WI]

So childish,

https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/here-are-10-myths-about-climate-change

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[powerabout]

The irony of all this climate crap is we are trying to alter the planet to suit humans who have been on it for about 1sec in the 24hrs its been alive
Back when there was more c02 and it was hotter the plants and animals flourished for far longer then we have been here.

[CUDA]

No reading comprehension HUH!

If you read that change happens over hundreds of thousands of years, not decades, you miss that VERY important FACT.

When a major change happens, it's because a major event happens, like an Asteroid!

But man has started a major change in 150 years of industrialization,

Now 98 % of scientists agree on climate change,

The Earth is not flat, and yes, we were on the moon,

OH BOY, the information age :rolleyes:

[powerabout]

No reading comprehension HUH!

If you read that change happens over hundreds of thousands of years, not decades, you miss that VERY important FACT.

When a major change happens, it's because a major event happens,

But man has started a major change in 150 years of industrialization,

Now 98 % of scientists agree on climate change,

The Earth is not flat, and yes, we were on the moon,

OH BOY, the information age :rolleyes:

You dodged the elephant in the room, the temp going up according to whose thermometer?

[CUDA]

You don't make ANY sense...

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature#:~:text=Human%20activities%2C%20principally%20through%20emissions,%2D1900%20in%202011%2D 2020.

[XstreamVking]

This is typical liberal logic. Only believe what your leaders tell you. Ignore the proven history of the planet you live on and go with the ones that make huge amounts of money promoting the climate fraud because you blindly trust them. What a moron.

[powerabout]

You don't make ANY sense...

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature#:~:text=Human%20activities%2C%20principally%20through%20emissions,%2D1900%20in%202011%2D 2020.

They tell you its going up so you believe it.
Try to find out where the actual data comes from and dont ask anyone that is a government employee
The only fact in Australia is it rains more in the top half in the last 20 years and less in the bottom half.
Every bush fire flood drought has been bigger in the past.

[CUDA]

Now That is

FUNNY

Ignorance IS Bliss

I'm VERY conservative, the childish label game.

I learned at a young age,

Not to Generalize about people, very Inaccurate unless describing

Cults... Sheep

[Shaun K]

‘Moon rock’ in museum is just petrified wood (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32581790)

[CUDA]

‘Moon rock’ in museum is just petrified wood (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32581790)

Sorry, Shaun...

When the 83-year-old died, his family assumed the wood was a moon rock, and everyone took them at their word,

It was just an artifact that he had in his collection, just more Igroant people making chit up.

https://www.quora.com/Was-there-ever-an-investigation-into-why-the-piece-of-Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-turned-out-to-be-a-fossil

[Shaun K]

Now 98 % of scientists agree on climate change,



Believe the science again eh ? Strangely enough the two biggest countries w non-unionized cheap labor who fill our Walmart's & Amazon with junk are putting up coal plants like crazy. Youve been fooled....again


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-22/india-plans-to-keep-adding-coal-power-capacity-as-demand-surges

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/chinas-coal-country-full-steam-ahead-with-new-power-plants-despite-climate-2023-11-30/


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moon landings are so stupid I can't even discuss them anymore.

[CUDA]

This is the kind of Chit I worry about

something we have no control over at the present time,

You get one of these hitting earth, you will have another ICE Age.

https://www.livescience.com/space/asteroids/scientists-discover-near-earth-asteroid-hours-before-it-exploded-over-berlin

[CRH1]

Would be more believable if the track record was a little better.

Little boy that cried wolf comes to mind.

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute (cei.org) (https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/)

[PanRonnie]

This is the kind of Chit I worry about

something we have no control over at the present time,

You get one of these hitting earth, you will have another ICE Age.

https://www.livescience.com/space/asteroids/scientists-discover-near-earth-asteroid-hours-before-it-exploded-over-berlin

Might be better to wurry about Comet Putin and Comet Xi having no problem to benefit their small circle around them
Hanging on to the little bit of democracy we have left in the west the immediate dangers are not the climate but a push to silence the other voice
Galilei was put under house arrest for stating the earth revolved around the sun going against consensus
The biggest danger is when science becomes a religion and tries to hide facts that do not follow the religion
Is the earth warming Yes having a lot of slush snow here and 8 dgr celcius
Is it warming because of human activity probably with all the moving around of people and materials
Is it going to be an issue, that would depend on will it lead to people dying of thirst and hunger
Putin already weaponised food as a weapon and energy as a good second
China does nearly all of the lithium processing for ev keeping all those nasty emmisions of our western balance sheet
So we have enormus pile of butter on our heads and before you make the right decisdion you need to get the facts straight
In our very socialistic city of Utrecht wich rivals Amsterdam in stupidity they are already throtteling public charger to ev for net congestion
This is in the netherlands where we live on top of each other so if we can't make it work or are much slower than desired how is this suppose to happen in the US where grid distances are much greater let alone eletricity generation from nuclear plants is very dated

Btw thank you for your natural gas! We really like it
https://youtu.be/GJ2Qc7WnguM?si=kObAtfQrsep9GYXR:cheers:

[NICE PAIR]

Would be more believable if the track record was a little better.

Little boy that cried wolf comes to mind.

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute (cei.org) (https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/)


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[David - WI]

That 97% or 98% claim is the most tortured, deceptive claim ever...

Study #1- "Unmentioned, the 97% was actually only 2% of the 3,146 out of 10,257 who returned the survey!"

Study #2- "Unmentioned, only 4,000 out of 12,000 expressed any opinion. Of the 34 expressing strong opinions, 33 out of 34 held humans totally responsible. That is 97%!"

"Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had. Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics."

[Chaz]

CRAP = bill nye the pee-wee herman guy .. Still #1 on the "village idiot" chart .. :thumbsup:

For the rest of us with common sense ... Bill Whittle , the real science guy ... :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_RuverrEZ4

[David - WI]

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So, what "problem" were you hoping to solve with electric vehicles?

[CUDA]

https://climate.nasa.gov/

[JPEROG]

Cyber Truck--No thanks,

Pulling 10,400#s it got a 90 mile range and they slowed down to 50 mph on the freeway to get that far. Then when they get to the charging stations you need to unhook your trailer so that you can access the charger. Diesel still wins (13 mpg, 80-90 mph, and easy fill up). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk_u9fbkoKM

Joe

[Chaz]

Cyber Truck--No thanks,

Pulling 10,400#s it got a 90 mile range and they slowed down to 50 mph on the freeway to get that far. Then when they get to the charging stations you need to unhook your trailer so that you can access the charger. Diesel still wins (13 mpg, 80-90 mph, and easy fill up). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk_u9fbkoKM

Joe

CRUD needs one to haul his gasoline powered push mower and weed wacker around his neighborhood to mow a few yards. The handles shouldn't stick out too far, all he needs is someone to teach him how to plug it into an extension cord when he gets home .. ;)

[noli]

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I can't wait to take delivery of my Cybertruck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEnTQ3TQcAg) , and I won't be pulling 11K objects, just groceries...muhahaha





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[Chaz]

Ya might could get-cha a deal on a F-1 fiddy .... :rolleyes: :o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxxbYLloGJk

[CUDA]

BREAKING NEWS ALL SALES DOWN:reddevil:

https://youtu.be/S8VnK6cI8pU

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/01/23/electric-cars-will-never-dominate-market-says-toyota/

[XstreamVking]

Stop Press: Electric bikes have caused a record number of fires in New York City, the Telegraph reports (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/01/21/electric-bikes-start-record-number-of-fires-in-new-york/). Then there's this little caveat at the bottom of the story.....According to figures released by the New York Fire Department, e-bikes were responsible for 267 fires in the city, claiming 18 lives and causing 150 injuries.

Well that's interesting....
Here's your climate change solution, solution.....:D Take all the deadly components of an electric vehicle and spew them into the air in a crowded city.:eek: Naw, that shiz won't hurt nuffin or nobody. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: But by using the electric stuff you DID affect some climate change in the immediate area by killing everybody! :nonod:

[JPEROG]

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I can't wait to take delivery of my Cybertruck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEnTQ3TQcAg) , and I won't be pulling 11K objects, just groceries...muhahaha





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Sounds like a good way to get rid of extra cash "I prefer to take a loss on toys that I can enjoy with friends rather then cars if its going to get pissed away".

Joe

[CUDA]

Since 9 MILLION people live in NYS

267 is

NOT BAD

https://youtu.be/t0zlDv3jcyQ?si=YMGbiCAszcSs-prR

[Chaz]

Stop Press: Electric bikes have caused a record number of fires in New York City, the Telegraph reports (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/01/21/electric-bikes-start-record-number-of-fires-in-new-york/). Then there's this little caveat at the bottom of the story.....According to figures released by the New York Fire Department, e-bikes were responsible for 267 fires in the city, claiming 18 lives and causing 150 injuries.

Well that's interesting....
Here's your climate change solution, solution.....:D Take all the deadly components of an electric vehicle and spew them into the air in a crowded city.:eek: Naw, that shiz won't hurt nuffin or nobody. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: But by using the electric stuff you DID affect some climate change in the immediate area by killing everybody! :nonod:

The idiot brigade should read thru that .. maybe a few time, or how ever many times necessary .. in order for it to sink in ... :thumbsup:

Chaz = predicting yet more delusional rhetoric from the parrots ... :rolleyes:

[powerabout]

Stop Press: Electric bikes have caused a record number of fires in New York City, the Telegraph reports (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/01/21/electric-bikes-start-record-number-of-fires-in-new-york/). Then there's this little caveat at the bottom of the story.....According to figures released by the New York Fire Department, e-bikes were responsible for 267 fires in the city, claiming 18 lives and causing 150 injuries.

Well that's interesting....
Here's your climate change solution, solution.....:D Take all the deadly components of an electric vehicle and spew them into the air in a crowded city.:eek: Naw, that shiz won't hurt nuffin or nobody. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: But by using the electric stuff you DID affect some climate change in the immediate area by killing everybody! :nonod:

ev stuff is slowly reducing the population which is the best way to drop the co2 level in the atmosphere but you have to bury them, not burn them twice.

[Chaz]

ev stuff is slowly reducing the population which is the best way to drop the co2 level in the atmosphere but you have to bury them, not burn them twice.

Power ole boy .. It's been a long time since I was in grade school, but I remember being told that ... plants turn C02 into Oxygen. The tree huggers should absolutely adore internal combustion engines. ;)

As a wise man said ... Drill baby drill ... :thumbsup:

[NICE PAIR]

That’s why they have been burning down CA, So we really have no choices. :nonod:

[noli]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRYyj7VTR2I









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[noli]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6hWuFDo99Y






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[CUDA]

One thing constant is change.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/27/how-one-state-is-quickly-becoming-americas-clean-energy-paradise/72252758007/

[CUDA]

Jay Leno's Garage

https://youtu.be/LMKySYs-hCg?si=8uF3EtqNWCsH0BB1

[David]

I watched the Jay's garage video. He said that in 1907 automobiles were 1/3 gas, 1/3 electric, and 1/3 steam. For city use, the electric truck makes sense. I'm not sure about cross country.

[Chaz]

If ya got $100,000.00 to spend on a round town "shop truck" .. go head. Most people don't or won't spend that kind of money on something to run to the dump or grocery store. And not be able to take it on the road when necessary ... :rolleyes:

[CUDA]

So Toyota is spending 1.3 Billion on a new plant in Kentucky for a full electric SUV...

https://www.google.com/search?q=toyota+investing+1.3+billion+electric+suv&rlz=1C1LOQA_enUS775US775&oq=toyota+investing+1.3+billion+electric+suv&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRirAjIHCAQQIRirAjIHCAUQIRifBTIHCAYQIRif BTIHCAcQIRifBdIBCTQ0MzEwajBqNKgCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:783e1c15,vid:sx_795lkO-M,st:0


https://www.toyota.com/bz4x/

[Instigator]

Some lib town somewhere tried I think…., electro garbage trucks.

Spent millions!

Replaced the entire fleet, trained techs etc.
After 1 yr they scrapped the program and went back to diesel.

Happening regularly w/bus fleets.

BTW, Ford just announced they lost 5.64 BBBBBBillion last yr on their ev lines.

If ya got $100,000.00 to spend on a round town "shop truck" .. go head. Most people don't or won't spend that kind of money on something to run to the dump or grocery store. And not be able to take it on the road when necessary ... :rolleyes:

[powerabout]

Some lib town somewhere tried I think…., electro garbage trucks.

Spent millions!

Replaced the entire fleet, trained techs etc.
After 1 yr they scrapped the program and went back to diesel.

Happening regularly w/bus fleets.

BTW, Ford just announced they lost 5.64 BBBBBBillion last yr on their ev lines.

Its the next step from TDS to form EDS Electric Deranged Syndrome
Its very similar, no logic no science and believe in fairies

[John S]

Some lib town somewhere tried I think…., electro garbage trucks.

Spent millions!

Replaced the entire fleet, trained techs etc.
After 1 yr they scrapped the program and went back to diesel.

Happening regularly w/bus fleets.

BTW, Ford just announced they lost 5.64 BBBBBBillion last yr on their ev lines.

Link to story? Sounds like a disaster.


Its the next step from TDS to form EDS Electric Deranged Syndrome
Its very similar, no logic no science and believe in fairies
That cuts both ways though, doesn't it. I don't agree with the mass introduction of EV, but they can serve a purpose, especially in high density population areas, and set route, point to point delivery vehicles. The FedEx driver that delivers to me loves his EV truck.

[powerabout]

Link to story? Sounds like a disaster.


That cuts both ways though, doesn't it. I don't agree with the mass introduction of EV, but they can serve a purpose, especially in high density population areas, and set route, point to point delivery vehicles. The FedEx driver that delivers to me loves his EV truck.
Yes electric has its place in populated areas thats why the gov mandated all city taxis to be electric...lol

[noli]

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Mercury Marine HVe


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkTe-eEy67E






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[PanRonnie]

Still the way to go i think
https://newatlas.com/marine/yamahas-hydrogen-outboard-boat-prototype/
With light weight generators for multiple electric engines even better if they are opposed piston engines which can placed low in the hull for better weight distribution

[Chaz]

noli .. did you place your order for a 2024 shocker ... ???

no I didn't think so ... :rolleyes:

If you wouldn't buy a POS electric motor yourself .. why would you try to make them look attractive to the readership here ... ???

[XstreamVking]

Ya know guys, if electric boats become popular it would mean no more scream and fly.... It would be heated discussion about all the fast charge stations that someone found at the lake and how fast they charged. And all the kilowatts their boat has...In other words change the name of the site to BORING and WOKE.

[David - WI]

None of us will be alive by the time that happens! :cheers:

[CUDA]

Ya know guys, if electric boats become popular it would mean no more scream and fly.... It would be heated discussion about all the fast charge stations that someone found at the lake and how fast they charged. And all the kilowatts their boat has...In other words change the name of the site to BORING and WOKE.

Do you like your new gold high tops? You're not a real trump man unless you have a pair, so says the almighty.

[XstreamVking]

Your TDS is showing cuder. They are just shoes man........

[David - WI]

They aren't for wearing... those are for triggering! :D

[noli]

noli .. did you place your order for a 2024 shocker ... ???

no I didn't think so ... :rolleyes:

If you wouldn't buy a POS electric motor yourself .. why would you try to make them look attractive to the readership here ... ???



its News!






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[CUDA]

Anyone want to bet Mercury will have a 300hp EV outboard by 2030:D

By then, new, improved batteries will make it happen with ease.

I had a ZERO EV bike, and it's really cool to disappear away from others with ease, quiet is COOL,

I love torque more than HP; torque gets it done NOW, and EVs are instant.

I like being stealthy :cheers:

Here Chaz you can order a 20 hp today

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805648968452.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller.9.3e6ba5f1kOB5lN&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40000.326746.0&scm_id=1007.40000.326746.0&scm-url=1007.40000.326746.0&pvid=28fa7d63-186a-4ff3-8f63-9f45dc1d9f39&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40000.326746.0,pvid:28fa7d63-186a-4ff3-8f63-9f45dc1d9f39,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238113%23610&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%213866.81%213866.81%21%21%2127758.84%2127758.84%21%402101f00017083101569778950 ee512%2112000034518391358%21rec%21US%21%21AB&utparam-url=scene%3ApcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller%7Cquery_from%3A

[Chaz]

No I didn't think so ... neither did the village idiot .. :p

[David - WI]

Anyone want to bet Mercury will have a 300hp EV outboard by 2030:D

By then, new, improved batteries will make it happen with ease.

I had a ZERO EV bike, and it's really cool to disappear away from others with ease, quiet is COOL,

I love torque more than HP; torque gets it done NOW, and EVs are instant.

I like being stealthy :cheers:

Here Chaz you can order a 20 hp today

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805648968452.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller.9.3e6ba5f1kOB5lN&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40000.326746.0&scm_id=1007.40000.326746.0&scm-url=1007.40000.326746.0&pvid=28fa7d63-186a-4ff3-8f63-9f45dc1d9f39&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40000.326746.0,pvid:28fa7d63-186a-4ff3-8f63-9f45dc1d9f39,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238113%23610&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%213866.81%213866.81%21%21%2127758.84%2127758.84%21%402101f00017083101569778950 ee512%2112000034518391358%21rec%21US%21%21AB&utparam-url=scene%3ApcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller%7Cquery_from%3A

I can probably build a 300hp EV outboard by the end of the month, but it won't go a mile on a charge... neither will yours.

BTW, Cuda, the gold Trump sneakers sold out in a couple hours. :cheers:

[CUDA]

i can probably build a 300hp ev outboard by the end of the month, but it won't go a mile on a charge... Neither will yours.

Btw, cuda, the gold trump sneakers sold out in a couple hours. :cheers:

Suckers, I mean, you disappointed:mad:

[PanRonnie]

Maybe next year we won,'t need battery's ;)

https://youtu.be/0fYiNVRmOA4?si=u9zArxVeMV3nAbxM

[Chaz]

I can probably build a 300hp EV outboard by the end of the month, but it won't go a mile on a charge... neither will yours.

BTW, Cuda, the gold Trump sneakers sold out in a couple hours. :cheers:

I made an adapter plate for an old man down the street to put an electric motor on a Evinrude "mailbox" 35 mid and lower. Even though the whole bottom of the boat had row's of 12v battery's .... I told him : when you take the Mrs. out for dinner and drinks. make sure toy have my number on speed dial .. so I can come get yo azz when your batteries fall dead.

I got my POTUS TRUMP gold plated sneakers hanging up with my TRUMP flag in front of my house. They are hooked up to a cattle prod transformer. I smell burnt flesh and hair every other morning. Guys have tried to buy them from me .. but I'm pretty sure it's thiefin lib tards that are touchin them to get a re-charge ... Fried tard sammich's anyone .. ???

[noli]

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Lease a new Tesla Model-Y for $282/mo with $3999 down



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbCc_1y1OeY















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[JPEROG]

Even with Biden kicking in 7500.00 there is no way I would pay 375 a month, "be limited to 10K per year, and not be able leave town". If you don't leave town, its a great deal. We all knew that Biden was going to make electric sell by having us all pay into his agenda. Such B.S. that "we the people" fund this stuff. Give it another 6 months and he will be handing them out at the boarder. It used to be "sign and drive", but it might become "cross and drive" or maybe instead of a government phone, he will give out government golf carts.


Joe

[JLanier571]

310 mile range, and charges to 80% in 30 mins. That is Miami to St. Augustine on a single charge. I think it'll be fine going out of town. What makes you think Elon of all people would allow such ridiculous yearly travel limits on his vehicles? For an SUV those are solid numbers, and try taking an SUV with any female more than 300 miles without having to stop anyways lol. Its a solid car, at some point the boomers are gonna have to admit it.

[David - WI]

So, 30 minutes to go 248 miles in perfect conditions versus 4 minutes to fill my car with enough gasoline for 430 miles? Sounds great! :eek:

[fixer68]

Anyone want to bet Mercury will have a 300hp EV outboard by 2030:D

By then, new, improved batteries will make it happen with ease.

I had a ZERO EV bike, and it's really cool to disappear away from others with ease, quiet is COOL,

I love torque more than HP; torque gets it done NOW, and EVs are instant.

I like being stealthy :cheers:

Here Chaz you can order a 20 hp today

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805648968452.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller.9.3e6ba5f1kOB5lN&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40000.326746.0&scm_id=1007.40000.326746.0&scm-url=1007.40000.326746.0&pvid=28fa7d63-186a-4ff3-8f63-9f45dc1d9f39&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40000.326746.0,pvid:28fa7d63-186a-4ff3-8f63-9f45dc1d9f39,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238113%23610&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%213866.81%213866.81%21%21%2127758.84%2127758.84%21%402101f00017083101569778950 ee512%2112000034518391358%21rec%21US%21%21AB&utparam-url=scene%3ApcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller%7Cquery_from%3A


EVOY makes a 300+HP Electric outboard. A 400+HP is coming in 2025. They also make inboard boats with up to 400+ HP. Like this one. The inboard powertrain is also available to retrofit into any boat. It can be connected to outdrives, Jet pumps or inboard shafts.

Evoy electric and powerful outboard motor systems (https://www.evoy.no/evoy-outboard-electric-boat-motor/)


https://wp.config.evoy.no/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/storm-outboard-1.png https://wp.config.evoy.no/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Performance_MEBC-1000x527.jpg

[David - WI]

The 300hp outboard is over 1,000# without the battery... 4,500# with the 100 mile range (at 30 mph) battery pack. So 3000# heavier than a 300hp gas outboard with 100 miles (at twice the speed) of gasoline?

Seems like... we're not even close. :nonod:

[powerabout]

The 300hp outboard is over 1,000# without the battery... 4,500# with the 100 mile range (at 30 mph) battery pack. So 3000# heavier than a 300hp gas outboard with 100 miles (at twice the speed) of gasoline?

Seems like... we're not even close. :nonod:
battery density is so far behind liquid fuels its a joke, people are fooled by a car that uses very little power to roll down the the road at 55mph like 20hp so 20kwhr
The simple maths
go water skiing with a 100kw outboard for one hour at wot you use 100kwhr, thats a tesla 100kwhr battery that weighs over 1000lbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hatav_Rdnno&t=484s

[CUDA]

https://www.evoy.no/evoy-outboard-electric-boat-motor/

[powerabout]

https://www.evoy.no/evoy-outboard-electric-boat-motor/
The electric motor part was done 100 years ago, the battery is the issue which is why ICE took over
You can get an electric motor to power just about anything but the battery..ahhh
We need 20-50x improvements in storing electricity re volume and weight

[PanRonnie]

Well 2 out 4 is not that bad! :cheers:
Afordable to use? But maybe not buy

50 to 100nm at SLOW speed!
So you might aswell buy the 50hp high torque version and go about your business in a non planing way

Fast charging at the dock? Hmm it's already a problem for cars but you could place some solar panels on top of your bimini

[Instigator]

Funny, all the people on this thread telling us how great the elec motors are are new people here, we never heard of.

Elec john???

[David]

Elec John is more or less gone as a result of an ill considered bet. I wonder if he ever got his electric wakeboard boat.

It takes more CO2 to make an electric car than an ICE car. The payback can be relatively quick if the car is driven a lot and the volts are not coming from coal. I know with the amount my boats get used, the CO2 payback would be never. I am super interested in electric boat speed records, and completely uninterested in actually owning an electric boat with existing battery technology. Maybe when the delirium crystals get fine tuned…

[Chaz]

You just wait .. 10 to 15 more years. :rolleyes: The tards will import 50,000,000 more people who don't speak English to be elidable to vote as soon as they step into the US. Then they will force true Americans to buy their short trip electro-crap for whatever they want you to have to pay for it. Yep, they want a short leash you and I. With power shortages, your going to be given just so many charge credits per week.
Or .. you know what to do in November .. If you want to have a choice, then make the right choice ... FJB :thumbsup:

[CUDA]

I guess you have not heard, but the Sun gives away free energy,

It's only S T U P I D

If you don't use it,

now back in your Cave,:rolleyes: the sun Is coming up

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/solar/florida-is-now-adding-more-solar-power-than-any-other-state

[PanRonnie]

https://youtu.be/nZXBRGw7jUA?si=VA5WpEFXIzy10Jkh

[David - WI]

I guess you have not heard, but the Sun gives away free energy,

It's only S T U P I D

If you don't use it,

now back in your Cave,:rolleyes: the sun Is coming up

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/solar/florida-is-now-adding-more-solar-power-than-any-other-state

Sounds like a real panacea...

"Unfortunately there’s a catch. The replacement rate of solar panels is faster than expected and given the current very high recycling costs, there’s a real danger that all used panels will go straight to landfill (along with equally hard-to-recycle wind turbines)."

[CUDA]

How old are you? They last 30 to 40 years, just not as efficient as they use to be, just like YOU.

https://www.sunsave.energy/solar-panels-advice/maintenance/panel-lifespan

[Chaz]

David .. please don't quote the Garden Weasel, I have him on ignore .. :D

But since you have .. ;)

CRAP .. I see your still holding up to your well earned title of "Village Idiot".
What ya want me to do, ride around with a solar panel on my boat ... dunkoff

https://i.imgur.com/WCUWiqEl.jpg

Chaz = thinkin, CRUD will troll every post I make .. until he realizes that he has seriously been whooped yet again. What will he do next, same as always ... be a punk and scream Daaadddyyy, Daddy, Chaz is bustin my azz for following him again .. :p

[Instigator]

Have fun w/your plug ins but I kinda prefer this.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/3721922644702398/?referral_source=reshare_feed_unit

[JPEROG]

Ran those flat slide lectron carbs 30+ years ago on pro stock sleds. They were so much more responsive the a standard round mikuni. Thing sound wicked.

Joe

[JPEROG]

310 mile range, and charges to 80% in 30 mins. That is Miami to St. Augustine on a single charge. I think it'll be fine going out of town. What makes you think Elon of all people would allow such ridiculous yearly travel limits on his vehicles? For an SUV those are solid numbers, and try taking an SUV with any female more than 300 miles without having to stop anyways lol. Its a solid car, at some point the boomers are gonna have to admit it.

Great for people who don't leave town like I said. I just drove from the house in FL. to the house in LOTO "two diesel trucks with two boats in tow" 1240 miles in 18 hours. Thats what leaving town means. I will be in Michigan at the house there later this week "750 miles". As far as putting 10K on a vehicle annually? We have 11 cars and trucks in our fleet so they get divided up and my 22' truck still has 60 on it already. My 24 will have 6K on by the end of next week. Maybe I am that different but I don't think so-we do stuff.

Joe

[JLanier571]

Exactly. Your scale is very different to the average consumer. Most families have one or two vehicles MAX, where every dollar counts. The Model Y was never made for someone in your position, but to most Americans it's well worth the savings, especially if you have a good solar setup. The physics of towing will always make EVs a non starter for boat owners, even the cybertruck. Range is cut in half with any lind of real load, and even moreso in the cold. We are talking about how practical it is for everyone, meaning MOST cases without inserting someone's personal situation or political opinion. This thread is so old and messed up now that people don't even realize Elon isnt even a liberal. I hope to get to the point where 310 miles is "in town" to me, and if you think anyone is gonna be forced to buy or be given a vehicle in America by law and not be expected to walk with their bootstraps even if they don't have legs, I don't know what country you've been living in. Sleepy Joe may lie and say he wants to give people things, but saying and doing are two very different things. To fear something like that, he'd have to actually have power to get anything done at all. It's not like there's gonna be a majority in congress anytime soon, and especially not on that issue. Until then, the conversation on EVs should be about it being a practical choice or not. Period.

[Instigator]

Joe, just finished 2 wks of playing/driving.

Didn’t tow anything this time so an ev trip?

Day 1: 900 mls in 14 hrs.
(w/2 dogs)

Day 4: 650 mls in 10 hrs.

Day 7: 550 mls in 6 hrs.

Day 10: 750 mls in 11 hrs.

Was funny too, I kept noticing all the Tesla’s we were passing (78 in 70 zones) in the mountains had there windows down???

Probably to keep the air off to increase range.

Made me wonder, what’s the range on a Tesla, in the mountains, at 70 mph, w/the air on ��

[XstreamVking]

If slobbering Joe thinks EV's are good, you KNOW they are really, really, bad for us. The green team only wants bad things for us carbon emitting units.... Like Chaz sez, it's a power play to limit our freedoms. And our activities/travel.

[CUDA]

Joe, just finished 2 wks of playing/driving.

Didn’t tow anything this time so an ev trip?

Day 1: 900 mls in 14 hrs.
(w/2 dogs)

Day 4: 650 mls in 10 hrs.

Day 7: 550 mls in 6 hrs.

Day 10: 750 mls in 11 hrs.

Was funny too, I kept noticing all the Tesla’s we were passing (78 in 70 zones) in the mountains had there windows down???

Probably to keep the air off to increase range.

Made me wonder, what’s the range on a Tesla, in the mountains, at 70 mph, w/the air on ��



Sorry but it takes more power because of air drag to drive with windows down,

[Chaz]

For all the praise CRUD put's into the green-tard movement. Chaz = betting a canoli' that he hasn't put one nickel of his own money into buying an EV. Should put his money into "hot air" propulsion. That's all he's got .. BTW FJB and his *** swingers :thumbsup:

[noli]

.

Happy Easter everyone!

Tesla will employ a new way of assembling cars for their new 25K electric vehicle (Model-2) ...Parallel and Sequential assembly lines (increasing factory productivity by 30%) , targeting 40% reduction in operational costs



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp3fLG9a_2g











.

[Chaz]

Nor has noli bought a Tesla .. :rolleyes:

Nolo .. ya might-could get a deal on this one ... slight body damage, the frame looks fine ..:p


https://victoriaevclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/burning-Tesla.jpg

[Chaz]

If slobbering Joe thinks EV's are good, you KNOW they are really, really, bad for us. The green team only wants bad things for us carbon emitting units.... Like Chaz sez, it's a power play to limit our freedoms. And our activities/travel.

Like sheep to slaughter .. the left supporters refuse to see this "bait" for what it is .. :rolleyes:

[JPEROG]

Exactly. Your scale is very different to the average consumer. Most families have one or two vehicles MAX, where every dollar counts. The Model Y was never made for someone in your position, but to most Americans it's well worth the savings, especially if you have a good solar setup. The physics of towing will always make EVs a non starter for boat owners, even the cybertruck. Range is cut in half with any lind of real load, and even moreso in the cold. We are talking about how practical it is for everyone, meaning MOST cases without inserting someone's personal situation or political opinion. This thread is so old and messed up now that people don't even realize Elon isnt even a liberal. I hope to get to the point where 310 miles is "in town" to me, and if you think anyone is gonna be forced to buy or be given a vehicle in America by law and not be expected to walk with their bootstraps even if they don't have legs, I don't know what country you've been living in. Sleepy Joe may lie and say he wants to give people things, but saying and doing are two very different things. To fear something like that, he'd have to actually have power to get anything done at all. It's not like there's gonna be a majority in congress anytime soon, and especially not on that issue. Until then, the conversation on EVs should be about it being a practical choice or not. Period.

Life is short, you better change your thinking if you want to see whats out there. This is boating site, 99% of us have boats, lots of us travel, and we pull. Like I said "good in town golf cart" for the people in this discussion group. If this administration can steer the consumer market/choice with $7500.00 rebates, what makes you think that they won't offer two or three times that as these things continue to stockpile on the lots and at the factories. The real world has already proven that they are not viable yet with rental companies not doing well, resale being pennies, and tow range is a total joke "City limits only". Here are the real world facts-listen to the speaker titles and people they have advised. This video is just over an hour that will enlighten you); https://youtu.be/A24fWmNA6lM

Joe

[noli]

.


good movie JPEROG

I did a quick search on Steven Koonin (disagrees with climate change in this movie)

Koonin's views on climate change ..

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"...Koonin stipulates firmly that Earth’s climate is changing and becoming warmer, and that human influence is playing a role. He is eager to identify and advocate actions that will address these changes effectively ..."

[noli]

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Koonin wrote a book named "Unsettled"

in that book he quotes the following ..

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l90FpjPGLBE

[noli]

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Is Koonin still getting "subsidies" from BP ? (BP = British Petroleum)






.

[CUDA]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-new-book-manages-to-get-climate-science-badly-wrong/

[Chaz]

From what I remember .. plants eat CO2 and spit out Oxygen ... they fail to mention that.
As far as global warming goes ... look at the graph they use .. LMAO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_RuverrEZ4

[noli]

Nor has noli bought a Tesla .. :rolleyes:






Chaz,

hoping that someday you enjoy a Tesla as much as I do

here's a real-time view of one of many cameras on my model Y


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[PanRonnie]

Self driving car that can live of the land and can be fixed with a hammer and chizel


https://youtu.be/oItA4HE0cT0?si=EXCQcNIP66qwNyHY

[fixer68]

Have fun w/your plug ins but I kinda prefer this.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/3721922644702398/?referral_source=reshare_feed_unit


Wow!!! That is a really practical boat. You wife and kids must love going on long trips on it. What is the range on it? It must go 300-400 miles on a full tank.

[Instigator]

Practical?

That explains a lot.

When I joined this site 20+ yrs ago I thought it was focused on light, fast, racing outboard powered boats!

Thx to all you newbie trolls for setting me straight!

BTW, the elec OB that just set its own record was on a hull similar to this but….., weighed a 1000 lbs more!

It required charging after each Kilo (6/10 mile) attempt.

The one I attached races 5 miles (8.33 kilometers) on a single, 2 gl tank of fuel w/50% reserve.

They race hrs long marathons by simply, adding larger tanks.

I love the F-1 style, electric car racing class.

They start the race in one car, then when the batteries die they pit and change cars to
Finish the race, so we don’t have to check in a hotel while we wait on the batteries to recharge.

Yay!


Wow!!! That is a really practical boat. You wife and kids must love going on long trips on it. What is the range on it? It must go 300-400 miles on a full tank.

[David]

LOL, at 66 I am as likely to buy a kneel down boat as I am to buy an electric boat. I'll go watch some kneel down and T boat races in June, but you won't see me in one. And as I've said before, I think electric boats are interesting but not yet useful.

I think of this site as being aimed at boats like my SS2000. 18-20' outboards. Bigger boats are interesting, but I don't know what I would do with one.

As it turns out, I am a car guy as well as a boat guy, and Tesla fascinates me.

The Tesla video that was posted was interesting. I wonder if it was AI generated. (1) A lot of crude pronunciation (2) At the end there were dubious claims of production volume. They are anticipating 200,000 vehicles a year from the new assembly plant process vs the current norm of 100,000? Any random vehicle assembly plant runs about a car a minute and cranks out 250,000 cars a year on 2 shifts. I've been to scores of assembly plants.

But wait, there's more:) Tesla is already at around 41 second cycle time for their 3/Y assembly using traditional assembly lines. Yes there is some new stuff in vehicle design there, giga castings and structural battery packs that include the seat mounting. But the 3 and Y are made on assembly lines, significantly faster then anyone else (41 s vs 58 s at best)

A lot of business press is projecting EVs to be break even with ICE vehicles in this decade. If Tesla can revolutionize vehicle assembly in 2025, they might be there. Of course Mr Musk usually misses his deadlines.

I could post links to pages about the new Tesla assembly process if desired.

[Instigator]

Dude, not trying to sell anyone on a kneel down!

Only comparing technologies.

I think this thread is about an electric OB setting a speed record??

Dont think it’s very practical either??

Those sold on the ev’s will be no matter what.

To me, they’re toys not cars.

Have all the fun you want.

The truth is out there!


LOL, at 66 I am as likely to buy a kneel down boat as I am to buy an electric boat. I'll go watch some kneel down and T boat races in June, but you won't see me in one. And as I've said before, I think electric boats are interesting but not yet useful.

I think of this site as being aimed at boats like my SS2000. 18-20' outboards. Bigger boats are interesting, but I don't know what I would do with one.

As it turns out, I am a car guy as well as a boat guy, and Tesla fascinates me.

The Tesla video that was posted was interesting. I wonder if it was AI generated. (1) A lot of crude pronunciation (2) At the end there were dubious claims of production volume. They are anticipating 200,000 vehicles a year from the new assembly plant process vs the current norm of 100,000? Any random vehicle assembly plant runs about a car a minute and cranks out 250,000 cars a year on 2 shifts. I've been to scores of assembly plants.

But wait, there's more:) Tesla is already at around 41 second cycle time for their 3/Y assembly using traditional assembly lines. Yes there is some new stuff in vehicle design there, giga castings and structural battery packs that include the seat mounting. But the 3 and Y are made on assembly lines, significantly faster then anyone else (41 s vs 58 s at best)

A lot of business press is projecting EVs to be break even with ICE vehicles in this decade. If Tesla can revolutionize vehicle assembly in 2025, they might be there. Of course Mr Musk usually misses his deadlines.

I could post links to pages about the new Tesla assembly process if desired.

[JPEROG]

Pictures are worth a thousand words:
531443531444531445
Two trucks that I work the most, one Trump cart that runs flawlessly, and one Biden cart that always needs a charger, batteries or something "maybe he will send me one after getting my check on the 15th"

Joe

[JLanier571]

LOL. Given the history of things Trump has put his name on, I wouldn't put a bad omen like that on my truck. If that were from a factory I'd be worried the engine wouldn't even be a Cummins lol, but even Dodge knows better than to associate with that charlatan.

Imagine thinking the guy who thought putting THREE casinos in Atlantic City was a good idea, known for not paying construction workers, is a good businessman, worth putting a badge on a truck for, that was probably made in China, and doesnt help him. He'd rather you send HIM the money. He really needs it right now for some reason I wonder? There's the Trump Bible, the Trump Shoes, the Trump NFT cards, lol. With all of the real crap Trump is actually trying to sell to fund his legal catastrophe, this is hilarious. I remember making fun of the Obama worship, but it's on another level with Trump lol

[David - WI]

President of the United States of America?

[PanRonnie]

Pictures are worth a thousand words:
531443531444531445
Two trucks that I work the most, one Trump cart that runs flawlessly, and one Biden cart that always needs a charger, batteries or something "maybe he will send me one after getting my check on the 15th"




Joe


well atleast they can't remotely shut down your golfcart! YET


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13227315/How-Chinese-spies-bring-Britains-roads-standstill-Warning-electric-cars-remotely-stopped-Beijing-steal-drivers-data-experts-warn-EVs-Trojan-horse.html

How Chinese spies could remotely control Britain's electric cars: Warning EVs could be remotely stopped by Beijing to bring roads to a standstill and steal drivers' data - as experts warn vehicles 'could be a Trojan horse'

[noli]

.


The Toyota Corolla is more expensive to own and operate than the Tesla Model-Y

I will leave the calculation up to you to complete.

Include in your calculation ..
* Corolla will use up gasoline
* Corolla will need oil changes
* Toyota Dealers are adding $$ to your purchase price, boosting up the final cost (avg of $1,500)
* Tesla will give you 5000 free miles on charging
* Tesla will give you a $5,000 discount up front
* Tesla will give you a $7,500 tax credit up front



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[JPEROG]

LOL. Given the history of things Trump has put his name on, I wouldn't put a bad omen like that on my truck. If that were from a factory I'd be worried the engine wouldn't even be a Cummins lol, but even Dodge knows better than to associate with that charlatan.

Imagine thinking the guy who thought putting THREE casinos in Atlantic City was a good idea, known for not paying construction workers, is a good businessman, worth putting a badge on a truck for, that was probably made in China, and doesnt help him. He'd rather you send HIM the money. He really needs it right now for some reason I wonder? There's the Trump Bible, the Trump Shoes, the Trump NFT cards, lol. With all of the real crap Trump is actually trying to sell to fund his legal catastrophe, this is hilarious. I remember making fun of the Obama worship, but it's on another level with Trump lol

You might be living a little to close to CUDA, I think he is rubbing off on you. We have two choices for a president (that is it), is your hatred or jealously going to make you avoid going after his fiscal policies, ability to communicate, handle international trade and relations, control international energy cost etc. etc.? that help you as an individual and small business owner. Trump operates approximately 250 successful businesses and is one of the American success stories not a typical government employee. We need to embrace the fact that Trump has such a huge ego and sensational appetite to shrink our government and eliminate as much corruption as possible. This guy writes thousands of paychecks every week and he can relate to us as business owners. Biden has never written a payroll check (only collected them from us and other countries). You might want to concentrate on his hundreds of successful business ventures rather then the few that have failed. His success is blatantly obvious "he spends more on operating his private aircraft in a single month they you or I make in ten years". Who do know that owns 10 businesses or more?--learn from them.

Bottom line you have two choices for November (you might want to see who your customers support and which candidate would make them more likely to spend additional money with your company)--I think you already know the answer and need to go with common sense for the benefit of your family and business.

If you want to be successful, have a successful leader and successful friends. Hang around 5 millionaires and you will become #6, hang around 5 drug dealers and you will become #6. We are all products of our environment-Create the one that best for all of us.

Joe

[Chaz]

noli, the lady across the street has one of them golf carts. She puts her pink or white scrubs on and drives it to the hospital for 8 - 10 hours then back home to go directly back on the charger .. until the next day.

Me on the other hand .. I own a truck. Sometimes I drive it across town and home again .. most other times I do man stuff with it. ;)

If you want a car made for a nurse or secretary ... it's a free country .. have at it. Don't be disappointed if I don't follow .. :thumbsup:


Nice trucks Joe ... especially the TRUMP model .. :cheers:

[JPEROG]

.


The Toyota Corolla is more expensive to own and operate than the Tesla Model-Y

I will leave the calculation up to you to complete.

Include in your calculation ..
* Corolla will use up gasoline
* Corolla will need oil changes
* Toyota Dealers are adding $$ to your purchase price, boosting up the final cost (avg of $1,500)
* Tesla will give you 5000 free miles on charging
* Tesla will give you a $5,000 discount up front
* Tesla will give you a $7,500 tax credit up front



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Tesla will give you $7,500? You mean Biden (we the citizens) will give you $7500...The governments job was never to steer or control private enterprise. You are falling for the lack of control just like they want you to (you are being bought to follow a personal agenda). Who controls all of the electric companies and their stringent restrictions? You really want to lock your ability to travel and future cost of travel with them? You obviously have way more trust then I do. What are you taking to your next boat meet or poker run?

Joe

[JPEROG]

noli, the lady across the street has one of them golf carts. She puts her pink or white scrubs on and drives it to the hospital for 8 - 10 hours then back home to go directly back on the charger .. until the next day.

Me on the other hand .. I own a truck. Sometimes I drive it across town and home again .. most other times I do man stuff with it. ;)

If you want a car made for a nurse or secretary ... it's a free country .. have at it. Don't be disappointed if I don't follow .. :thumbsup:


Nice trucks Joe ... especially the TRUMP model .. :cheers:


Thanks,

Both are Trump models. Biden models are Rivian, Ford Lightning, Tesla, Silverado EV and GM Hummer (none have the ability to suit my needs). I have NO problem with E.V.s when they become a good enough product to survive in the free market on their own (without government support and subsidy) I am sure they will be great. Then we will have to come up with a way to avoid the electric trap that is going to ensue.

Joe

[noli]

... What are you taking to your next boat meet or poker run?

Joe


Joe, let's hook up at a run soon!





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[JPEROG]

Joe, let's hook up at a run soon!.



We will be in Palatka this month and have something going on almost every week at Loto from the end of this month thru early October. You are welcome to join us anytime.

Joe

[CUDA]

Here they come
https://electrek.co/2024/04/03/new-solid-state-battery-cell-claims-industry-records-1300-mile-range/

[hydra-sports]

Sure. I'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime, here we go, at the fuel pump531563

[PanRonnie]

The key take away from this is the Unicorn level!

Tailan did not mention any specific plans for passenger vehicle integration yet, but did state its latest generation of all-solid-state battery cells are vehicle grade. If the company is able to scale this technology large enough for consumer vehicles while keeping prices down, it could easily double the range of the farthest-driving EVs on the road today.

Lets just say don't trust anything from Xi ping pong land :cheers:

[JLanier571]

"The governments job was never to steer or control private enterprise." By that logic I assume you were against Trump increasing government welfare for the oil, natural gas, and agriculture industries during years of already record profits correct? Or does the strictness of the conservatism just depend on who's in charge?

[David - WI]

If oil companies make record profits while gasoline prices are $2/gallon... I don't mind. :cheers:

[JLanier571]

By that logic, a subsidy for an electric vehicle, that lowers the cost to consumers should be just as acceptable. Oil prices dropped worldwide during Covid, US policy had literally zero to do with the dip in gasoline prices. US oil companies have very little to do with the price of gasoline compared to the OPEC countries that have easily refinable oil. The Fracking boom that led to shale, and natural gas taking over happened under Obama, and was going to make the US the world's largest producer of fossil fuels regardless of who was in charge. The growth of US oil companies was secure. Giving those companies a welfare check only ended up in the pockets of their executives and was given when they needed it the least, and then they cashed millions in PPP loans that were forgiven, and made absolutely sure to work with OPEC to ensure all of their losses were recouped by the price hikes in 2022, regardless of their continued corporate welfare by the Biden administration. It's still socialism no matter what type of company is being supported by the government. I'm just looking for some consistency from the people who think us collectively making electric cars cheaper to buy is so horrible, but have zero issue when we collectively support oil and gas companies when the effect it has on our prices is negligible. The difference is profitability. The profit margins on fossil fuels are astronomical short term, there is zero need to make it any more profitable than it already is. It is the opposite with electric vehicles, which are expensive but real gains are seen long term. That is the type of asset perfect for a subsidy to help early adoption increase, and improve the innovation in the sector. It is good business. People forget the nuclear factor. Electric vehicles are the only way to realize the gains of Nuclear power. Every dime spent on oil and gas subsides from our tax dollars should go towards advancing nuclear power. It is the future. Not oil, gas, solar, or wind.

[PanRonnie]

First and foremost you need infrastructure something our politicians continously seem to forget!
You can build all the windmills in the northsea you want you still need to bring it on shore and distribute, add to that we have the most solar panels on the roof of our houses and need to be shut off to keep the grid stable which is not always the case
Prepare yourself for high energy prices, we have about the highest mainly due to taxes

[NICE PAIR]

It's not a matter of are they hiding the sausage or not, It is a serious matter of where they are hiding it? (without lube, I might add) :eek:

[David]

Does any G7 country have lower fuel taxes than the US? You certainly don’t have the highest.

[XstreamVking]

Don't know where the road taxes are going. Sure ain't being used to build or repair any roads around here. Our highways are in worse shape than I have ever seen them.

[CUDA]

ICE Look at the bright side, with all these solar, wind farms and more and more electric everything

I bet the price of oil will get cheaper because of less and less demand

More and more countries are pumping their own oil, wait till other countries realize they can Frack also :rolleyes:

So as I'm retired floating around the price of fuel will get cheaper

everything is supply and demand

[CUDA]

Does any G7 country have lower fuel taxes than the US? You certainly don’t have the highest.

So what are you paying per gal of regular and prem, please convert, I'm ignorant in the metric world except 7/16 is = 11 :D

[David]

Regular is $4.45 to $4.60 US per gallon. $4.90 and up for 91 octane.

[CUDA]

Dang Taxes,

and Snow plowing:rolleyes:

[David - WI]

By that logic, a subsidy for an electric vehicle, that lowers the cost to consumers should be just as acceptable. Oil prices dropped worldwide during Covid, US policy had literally zero to do with the dip in gasoline prices. US oil companies have very little to do with the price of gasoline compared to the OPEC countries that have easily refinable oil. The Fracking boom that led to shale, and natural gas taking over happened under Obama, and was going to make the US the world's largest producer of fossil fuels regardless of who was in charge. The growth of US oil companies was secure. Giving those companies a welfare check only ended up in the pockets of their executives and was given when they needed it the least, and then they cashed millions in PPP loans that were forgiven, and made absolutely sure to work with OPEC to ensure all of their losses were recouped by the price hikes in 2022, regardless of their continued corporate welfare by the Biden administration. It's still socialism no matter what type of company is being supported by the government. I'm just looking for some consistency from the people who think us collectively making electric cars cheaper to buy is so horrible, but have zero issue when we collectively support oil and gas companies when the effect it has on our prices is negligible. The difference is profitability. The profit margins on fossil fuels are astronomical short term, there is zero need to make it any more profitable than it already is. It is the opposite with electric vehicles, which are expensive but real gains are seen long term. That is the type of asset perfect for a subsidy to help early adoption increase, and improve the innovation in the sector. It is good business. People forget the nuclear factor. Electric vehicles are the only way to realize the gains of Nuclear power. Every dime spent on oil and gas subsides from our tax dollars should go towards advancing nuclear power. It is the future. Not oil, gas, solar, or wind.

Oil & gas prices were down and profits were up because President Trump lowered the cost... lowering taxes, the cost of exploration, the cost of complying with over-regulation, the cost of actual production, and the cost of transportation. The only way prices go down and profits go up is by lowering the cost.

Electric vehicles are irrelevant to the use of nuclear power... increased use of nuclear power is the only thing that will make EV's relevant. Nuclear is every bit as useful for heating, air conditioning, refrigeration, manufacturing, etc whether there are EV's or not.

Internationally, President Trump brought peace and stability to the middle east and eastern europe, which lowered demand (wars require a LOT of fuel, and reduced the losses (costs) that oil companies and oil producing nations had to face.

[JLanier571]

Right, the global pandemic had nothing to do with it...

Tell the Ukrainians who've been at war since 2014, and the Afghanis who are under Taliban rule thanks to Trump making a deal with them that their lives were peaceful just because he was in office.

If you think OPEC lowered the cost of oil because there wasn't wars going on, you clearly weren't paying attention. Trump says, No new wars happened during his presidency. That is correct. But even he knows and admits that his presidency wasn't a time of world peace by any means.

If what you were saying were true, there would have been stable low oil prices during the whole Trump administration, like a bowl in the data, but there wasnt...at all. It was 50 to 70 a barrel from 2016 to 2020, a sharp spike down to 11 dollars a barrel in April 2020 at the peak of the worlds lockdowns, and shot back up to 40 dollars a barrel by July 2020 as things began to open back up worldwide, and it stayed around there until Trump left office. It had nothing to do with him, and even less to do with his foreign policy. The lowest oil prices during his presidency from the day he took office to global lockdowns, was the day he took office. I don't hear anyone reminiscing about the 30 dollars a barrel we had in 2016 when Obama left office, I wonder why?

Whether Trump were reelected or not, the oil producing nations were going to recoup those losses.

POTUS doesn't control global oil prices. The 22 leaders of OPEC and OPEC+ Nations do. Look at the data, can you honestly look at those numbers and credit that drop to anything but covid? 531595

[David - WI]

Seems like, no...

531596

[JLanier571]

The Covid outbreak existed outside of the bubble of the United States you clearly live in. The WHO declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on January 30, and ended it on May 5th. Your lines for covid are way off. Here's the exact dates for the dip. They correlate with the WHO'S declaration almost perfectly. You also provide zero explanation or event to explain the drastic dip, other than world peace? If that were the case? Why was the dip so short? And you acting like oil being 11 dollars a barrel being a good thing just because your gas was cheap ignores the fact that it caused oil wells to be capped across the country, leading to massive delays in their restart, and thousands of oil workers being laid off. 11 dollars a barrel was NOT a good thing. And that massive hump during the early Trump administration really helps your case too...

Actually read the data, and line it up with actual history. By the time you say covid started, one in TEN humans had already been infected.

https://www.macrotrends.net/2516/wti-crude-oil-prices-10-year-daily-chart531607531608

[fixer68]

Seems like, no...

531596

Nice altered reality chart. Love the sliding scale for the price of oil. Just like Perdue pharma for Oxycontin. I fixed the timeline for you for you. Notice The price of oil crashed from around $115 in 2014 to around $26 in early 2016 due to the fracking revolution during Obama's term. Then prices crept UP through most of Trump's term. Then crashed at the start of covid due to lack of demand. That put all the small frackers into bankruptcy killing supply. When demand came back post covid, prices skyrocketed. Notice how prices were shooting back up through $60 before the end of Trump's term. Big oil controlled supply. Thay could have increased it, but they didn't want to. They wanted big profits. They stated they were losing money for the last 8 years due to low prices and wanted profits. It takes time to reopen a fracked well. It needs to be re fracked. Thats why now we are producing record amounts of oil now. The small frackers are back. Just to be clear, neither Trump nor Biden should be running this country.


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[JLanier571]

Nice altered reality chart. Love the sliding scale for the price of oil. Just like Perdue pharma for Oxycontin. I fixed the timeline for you for you. Notice The price of oil crashed from around $115 in 2014 to around $26 in early 2016 due to the fracking revolution during Obama's term. Then prices crept UP through most of Trump's term. Then crashed at the start of covid due to lack of demand. That put all the small frackers into bankruptcy killing supply. When demand came back post covid, prices skyrocketed. Notice how prices were shooting back up through $60 before the end of Trump's term. Big oil controlled supply. Thay could have increased it, but they didn't want to. They wanted big profits. They stated they were losing money for the last 8 years due to low prices and wanted profits. It takes time to reopen a fracked well. It needs to be re fracked. Thats why now we are producing record amounts of oil now. The small frackers are back. Just to be clear, neither Trump nor Biden should be running this country.


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Agreed.

[hydra-sports]

Agreed.

You never Trumpers are nuts. Who do you want to run our country? Give us a name. How about Greta Thunburg, Michelle Obama, Gavin Newsome. All great economies run on cheap energy. The USA has more oil, nat gas, and coal under our feet than any nation on earth. The price of a barrel of oil was cheap under Trump, not because of covid, but because we had an unlimited supply. The morons in DC have shut down production of oil, for example, in the gulf of mexico where most of the offshore rigs didn't stop producing oil, the rigs simply got moved and leased to Brazil.

Lets here your solutions. Why do you think the cost of existing is skyrocketing. Look at the cost of food, housing, your electric bills, just your basics. Trump doesn't have all the answers, but at least he has some. This country is going in the toilet, maybe we can stop the madness. MAGA

[CUDA]

Trump gave away 3 trillion dollars. The first thing he did was give away money to his rich donors, the biggest tax break for the wealthy ever seen. You don't know history, huh?

He ran up the third biggest national deficit increase of any president.

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-middle-class-needs-a-tax-cut-trump-didnt-give-it-to-them/

We live in a peculiar time in history. We went from the information age immediately to the Disinformation age

Even when countless lies are exposed, It does not seem to matter, so many believe so many lies

One of my long-time friends/business associates has the trump flag, a trump door mat, boat parade, cult...

He's told me he's changed from Fox because they started reporting the truth about Jan 6th so he switched to Newmax

Well, now he is starting to realize all the lies he has believed hook line and SINKER are lies, and he's pissed off even more...

These shows want you enraged because it makes you more engaged, I hate salesmen because they want to control.

Large, permanent corporate tax cuts. The centerpiece of the law was a deep, permanent cut in the corporate tax rate — from 35 percent to 21 percent — and a shift toward a territorial tax system, which exempts certain foreign income of multinational corporations from tax.
20 percent deduction for pass-through income. The law adopted a new 20 percent deduction for certain income that owners of pass-through businesses (partnerships, S corporations, and sole proprietorships) report on their individual tax returns, which previously was generally taxed at the same rates as wage and salary income.[12]
Cutting individual income tax rates for those at the top and weakening the alternative minimum tax (AMT). The law cut the top individual income tax rate from 39.6 percent to 37 percent for married couples with over $600,000 in taxable income (and often even higher gross income). The law also dramatically weakened the AMT, which was designed to ensure that higher-income people who take large amounts of deductions and other tax breaks pay at least a minimum level of tax. The law made far fewer households subject to the AMT and typically made those still subject to the provision pay far less,[13] delivering another sizable tax cut to many affluent households.
Doubling the estate tax exemption. The law doubled the amount that the wealthiest households can pass on tax-free to their heirs, from $11 million per married couple to $22 million (indexed for inflation).

Make Lying wrong again

Peace Love and Happiness

[hydra-sports]

See, Cuda just proved the point why we should eliminate the IRS. A flat tax would remove all deductions and tax loopholes. Their solution is always tax the rich and those greedy corporations.

[CUDA]

History can't be changed,

President Donald Trump campaigned as a billionaire businessman and champion of the working class with the economic prowess and deal-cutting skills that politicians in Washington, D.C., lacked.

He summed up his position neatly during the campaign: "I'll be the greatest jobs president that God ever created."

On the campaign trail, Trump claimed to be laser-focused on bringing back manufacturing and mining jobs, renegotiating trade deals that led to work disappearing overseas and curtailing immigration.

Yet, as he left after his one-term tenure, Trump became the first president since Herbert Hoover during the Great Depression to depart office with fewer jobs in the country than when he entered.

So under Biden the Jobs over 14 million, just fact, can't be changed fact.

STATEMENT BY ACTING SECRETARY OF LABOR SU ON JANUARY JOBS REPORT
WASHINGTON – The U.S. Acting Secretary of Labor Julie Su issued the following statement on the January 2024 Employment Situation report:

“Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that the American economy added 353,000 jobs in January, bringing the total jobs created under President Biden to 14.8 million. The unemployment rate held at its steady, low rate of 3.7 percent. This continues a two-year trend of a jobless rate under four percent, the longest stretch in more than 50 years.

“This strong jobs report also shows balanced, broad-based growth across sectors, with gains in retail, health care and professional and business services like engineering and management jobs. Employment in manufacturing also rose by 23,000 in January, and since President Biden took office, we’ve added 791,000 manufacturing jobs across the country.

“Even with these strong gains in our economy, we have more room to grow by bringing more people into the labor force. That’s why we will continue to pursue President Biden’s agenda of creating good jobs with pathways to the middle class and fighting for policies that support childcare workers and working families.”

Agency Office of the Secretary
Date February 2, 2024
Release Number 24-212-NAT
Media Contact: Grace Hagerty
Phone Number 202-693-0257
Email [email protected]

[hydra-sports]

History can't be changed,

President Donald Trump campaigned as a billionaire businessman and champion of the working class with the economic prowess and deal-cutting skills that politicians in Washington, D.C., lacked.

He summed up his position neatly during the campaign: "I'll be the greatest jobs president that God ever created."

On the campaign trail, Trump claimed to be laser-focused on bringing back manufacturing and mining jobs, renegotiating trade deals that led to work disappearing overseas and curtailing immigration.

Yet, as he left after his one-term tenure, Trump became the first president since Herbert Hoover during the Great Depression to depart office with fewer jobs in the country than when he entered.

So under Biden the Jobs over 14 million, just fact, can't be changed fact.

STATEMENT BY ACTING SECRETARY OF LABOR SU ON JANUARY JOBS REPORT
WASHINGTON – The U.S. Acting Secretary of Labor Julie Su issued the following statement on the January 2024 Employment Situation report:

“Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that the American economy added 353,000 jobs in January, bringing the total jobs created under President Biden to 14.8 million. The unemployment rate held at its steady, low rate of 3.7 percent. This continues a two-year trend of a jobless rate under four percent, the longest stretch in more than 50 years.

“This strong jobs report also shows balanced, broad-based growth across sectors, with gains in retail, health care and professional and business services like engineering and management jobs. Employment in manufacturing also rose by 23,000 in January, and since President Biden took office, we’ve added 791,000 manufacturing jobs across the country.

“Even with these strong gains in our economy, we have more room to grow by bringing more people into the labor force. That’s why we will continue to pursue President Biden’s agenda of creating good jobs with pathways to the middle class and fighting for policies that support childcare workers and working families.”

Agency Office of the Secretary
Date February 2, 2024
Release Number 24-212-NAT
Media Contact: Grace Hagerty
Phone Number 202-693-0257
Email [email protected]

I can't believe you believe the B.S. coming out of this government. Most of the jobs created were part time, low wages, or the illegal immigrants invaders with their illegal green cards or fake ID's. and fake SS #'s. The IRS loves this crap because the illegals pay taxes but can't file for refunds. Most Americans are feed up with this crap

[JLanier571]

Who said anything about banning the use of oil and gas lol

[JLanier571]

Anyone is better than the guy who lost over 50 election cases, including a Supreme Court ruling by his closest justices against him and a majority conservative court, and STILL tried to have Mike Pence not certify the election. At that moment he truly exposed himself as caring more about his own power than our republic. I can never support that, and anyone who does, is either lying to themselves, or they support Trump more than the legitimacy of our Republic being preserved. He should be disqualified, but I will take the easy 2024 election win. DeSantis or Haley would have mopped the floor with Sleepy Joe. Now he might actually win a SECOND term while unconscious. Crazy that Trump blew it this hard.

[CUDA]

Who said anything about banning the use of oil and gas lol

Yes No Ultimatums, they really screwed up the diesel market 2007 with ultimatums

I'm not a black or white person, If not with us, then you must be against us type, I'm in the middle, live and let live,

We all have different experiences that make us who we are, so trying to judge others is impossible to do,

I'm old school, my parents stuck it out for life, I'm doing the same, to do that takes effort, everyone thinks the next will be perfect

Sorry no perfect people, only people who believe they are.



food for thought

https://youtu.be/gKSmIqGvZR4?si=ppOEod27ifZnTS0n

[XstreamVking]

[QUOTE=JLanier571;3419847]Who said anything about banning the use of oil and gas lol

Your buddy Brandon that's who. It was one of his executive orders right after he entered the faux presidents office. lol He reversed everything good that Pres. trump had gotten done in his term. This info seems to end up with a zero carbon emissions goal. All cars and trucks going EV by 2030. Sounds a lot like a ban on gasoline and fuel oil is the only way to achieve it.






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Mar 30 2022


Since the day he took office, President Biden has weakened U.S. energy independence with proposals, policies and nominees that blame the fossil fuel industry for his administration’s missteps and out-of-touch aspirations, further harming an industry we need now more than ever.
https://moran.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=F38D83FD-ED58-44FF-878D-A9A1A4D29CD0
January 20, 2021: President Biden takes office. The national average for a gallon of gas is $2.38.
President Biden signs an executive order revoking approval of the Keystone XL Pipeline, a project that would have strengthened American energy independence.
March 6, 2021: Congress passes a partisan $1.9 trillion FY2021 budget reconciliation package despite nearly $1 trillion left unspent from five previous COVID-19 packages.
May 28, 2021: President Biden proposes a budget that would increase taxes on oil and gas companies, taking aim at the fossil fuel industry in a move that would push production overseas.
August 11, 2021: President Biden calls on OPEC to increase production to combat the increasing cost of oil. This announcement comes despite America ranking as a top-three oil producer.
November 10, 2021: Inflation reaches a 30-year high.
November 17, 2021: President Biden urges FTC Commission Chair Lina Khan to investigate oil and gas companies' retail prices, blaming industry leaders as gas prices continue to soar.
November 23, 2021: As gas prices spike before the holiday season, President Biden orders the release of 50 million barrels of oil from the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve, offering a band-aid for increased costs instead of retreating from energy policies hostile to domestic fossil fuel production.
February 10, 2022: Inflation reaches its highest rate in four decades, the steepest year-over-year increase since February 1982.
February 24, 2022: Vladimir Putin, leader of Russia and a top three oil-producing country, invades Ukraine.
March 6, 2022: U.S. crude oil surpasses $130 per barrel.
March 11, 2022: The national average for a gallon of gas reaches $4.33.
March 21, 2022: President Biden's Securities and Exchange Commission proposes a rule requiring companies to disclose greenhouse gas emissions, diverting investment away from fossil fuel producer

[JLanier571]

The Keystone XL pipeline wasn't going to bring a single barrel of oil to the US. That pipeline was originally planned for shale products to Mexico. The sections that were already built, already had over 100 failures and spills on US soil, poisoning US water.

Setting a goal for US car companies to be producing EVs by 2030 does not mean banning gasoline and fuel oils. Older vehicles, Trucks, boats, etc will need infrastructure to eb fueled for the lifetime of those products. We will not see anything like that in our lifetimes, nor is there support for that even in the most progressive wings of the Democratic party. That is more extreme than even the Green new deal if it were passed as is, without any input from conservatives. No one wants to ban it altogether and totally collapse the US economy while there is no viable alternative for heavy freight, not even AOC. Especially not sleepy Joe.

[XstreamVking]

You know where they are headed with this crap. Stop being obtuse. You really think that they will stop at their 2030 goals? You believe that the ceasing of oil exploration is for the heck of it. It's to drive oil prices upward indefinitely. That's an easy way to get to net zero goals. Won't have to worry about any of this nonsense after the 1st of the year with any luck. Trump will set this mess straight in short order. He will do executive orders in a quantity never seen in history. Probably within 24 hrs of his swearing in.

[hydra-sports]

Jlanier, here is the correct info for the Keystone xl.


The 1,700 new miles of pipeline would offer two sections of expansion. First, a southern leg would connect Cushing, Oklahoma, where there is a current bottleneck of oil, with the Gulf Coast of Texas, where oil refineries abound. That leg went into operation in January 2014. Second, the pipeline would include a new section from Alberta to Kansas. It would pass through Bakken Shale region of eastern Montana and western North Dakota. Here, it will pass through a region where oil extraction is currently booming and take on some of this crude for transport.


The southern leg of the Keystone XL ties into the existing Keystone pipeline that already runs to Canada, bringing up to 700,000 barrels of oil a day to refineries in Texas. At peak capacity, the pipeline will deliver 830,000 barrels of oil per day. While the pipeline is initially carried U.S. light crude, it is expected to carry more heavy Canadian oil harvested from tar sands.

Just so that you know the facts, Canada is now shipping most of that oil to China, and what little the US gets is being shipped by rail, owned by Warren Buffet. No collusion there.

[CUDA]

Facts

Markets and transportation
Canada produces more oil and natural gas than we need to meet energy demand within our country, so the remainder is exported. Currently, most of Canada’s oil and natural gas exports go to the United States. New Canadian infrastructure such as the Trans Mountain Expansion Project pipeline, and liquefied natural gas (LNG) facilities on the West Coast, will enable Canada to reach new markets such as China, India, and other destinations in the Asia-Pacific region. ( not operational yet)


Even if the Keystone XL extension were completed, it would contribute less than 1 percent to world oil supplies, and the assumed downward pressure it would provide on fuel prices (and energy independence subsequently) would thus be negligible.

[XstreamVking]

Capt. obvious strikes again....

[Instigator]

Yay.

Another worthless, non boating, troll thread.

The retard found some friends.

What kind of life do you have to have to think this is important.

Just go the fk away trolls!

[JPEROG]

Anyone is better than the guy who lost over 50 election cases, including a Supreme Court ruling by his closest justices against him and a majority conservative court, and STILL tried to have Mike Pence not certify the election. At that moment he truly exposed himself as caring more about his own power than our republic. I can never support that, and anyone who does, is either lying to themselves, or they support Trump more than the legitimacy of our Republic being preserved. He should be disqualified, but I will take the easy 2024 election win. DeSantis or Haley would have mopped the floor with Sleepy Joe. Now he might actually win a SECOND term while unconscious. Crazy that Trump blew it this hard.

We are at a tee in the road. You either make a turn to the Right, a turn to the left, or crash. Not really complicated but you don't seem to comprehend the situation. Like I said previously, you need to talk to your customer base and see which presidential candidate will benefit them, that will in turn benefit you, your business, and your family. Do you believe that these lawsuits against Trump have merit? Do you think that there wasn't serious voter fraud in the last election? You have fallen for the "CUDA trap" never bear hatred or let it control you over basic common sense. Trump is not a saint, but he is compared to our other option and he has real understanding of fiscal policy that effects every citizen in this country and the way that we are represented on the world stage. Biden is a complete embarrassment who is working against all of us with his open invites, his personal printing press, corrupt business practice, and lack of respect from leaders abroad.


Joe

[CUDA]

Quit believing lies, and you will be fine.

We are less than one year away from Election Day and although there has been no new evidence or litigation regarding election fraud in the 2020 election, many people continue to believe that the 2020 election was flawed. In the summer, a poll by the Associated Press showed that 22% of Republicans and 71% of Democrats have high confidence in votes being counted accurately in 2024. A more recent Washington Post poll found that among New Hampshire Republicans, over 50% believe Biden’s win was fraudulent, including 85% of Trump supporters.

Chief among those who continue to believe that the 2020 election was fraudulent is the former president, Donald Trump, who can’t seem to stop talking about it. In one post, he goes after the Republican Party for not doing enough — “… the RNC, and Ronna McDaniel, must spend their time working on this, instead of meaningless Debates where I am up by more than 50 points.”

So, where’s the fraud?

The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, has been monitoring election fraud cases state by state. Election fraud covers a range of activities — such as registering someone to vote and forging their signature, filling out an absentee ballot for someone who has died or moved away, voting while ineligible, or pretending to be someone else at the polling place and voting. They find that there have been 1,465 proven cases of election fraud — 1,264 of these resulted in criminal prosecutions and the remainder resulted in civil prosecutions, diversion programs, judicial findings, or official findings.

You are just a trump sucker

NO proof at all ?

Remember Joe won by 7 million votes, not close at all.



https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4385239-voter-data-expert-trump-campaign-2020-election-not-stolen/


Ken Block, whom the Trump campaign hired in 2020 to find voter fraud in the election, penned an op-ed Tuesday stating unequivocally that the 2020 presidential election was not stolen and that there was no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of the election.

“Can a steady diet of lies and innuendo overcome the truth?” the USA Today op-ed began. “In November 2020, former President Donald Trump asserted that voter fraud had altered the outcome of the 2020 presidential election. The day after the election, his campaign hired an expert in voter data to attempt to prove Trump’s allegations and put him back in the White House.”


“I am the expert who was hired by the Trump campaign,” Block wrote.

Block, who owns Simpatico Software Systems, said his company’s findings were communicated directly to then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, and transcripts of depositions taken by the Jan. 6 select committee investigating the attack on the Capitol “show that the campaign found no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of any election.”


You're just being manipulated and don't believe it ?

Don't want to believe it, but it's happening mister knowitall.

[NICE PAIR]

“Can a steady diet of lies and innuendo overcome the truth?” seems to work for brandon. Brock swings both ways!

[CUDA]

Explain these lies you speak of.?


https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=donald-trump&ruling=false


2, 2024 in a Truth Social post:
The New York civil fraud judgment against Trump and a plan to seize Trump-owned property “is simply a 'taking.' Much like what is done in communist countries."
falsefalse
By Amy Sherman • March 25, 2024

Donald Trump
stated on March 16, 2024 in a rally in Vandalia, Ohio:
"Your Social Security will be destroyed by the people coming in. There's too many of them. It's not sustainable."
falsefalse
By Louis Jacobson • March 20, 2024

Donald Trump
stated on March 9, 2024 in a speech:
“Biden has implemented a formal policy that illegal aliens who intrude into the United States are granted immunity from deportation.”
falsefalse
By Maria Ramirez Uribe • March 15, 2024

Donald Trump
stated on March 9, 2024 in a rally in Rome, Georgia:
"In February alone, nearly 1 million jobs held by native-born Americans disappeared."
falsefalse
By Louis Jacobson • March 12, 2024

Donald Trump
stated on March 2, 2024 in a speech:
“Eighty-two percent of the country understands that (the 2020 election) was a rigged election.”
falsefalse
By Paul Specht • March 7, 2024

Donald Trump
stated on February 16, 2024 in a statement to the media:
President Joe Biden “directed New York AG Witch Hunt” into Donald Trump’s real estate.
falsefalse
By Louis Jacobson • February 20, 2024

Donald Trump
stated on January 11, 2024 in a campaign ad:
“Haley’s plan cuts Social Security benefits for 82% of Americans.”
falsefalse
By Samantha Putterman • January 18, 2024

Donald Trump
stated on January 15, 2024 in a speech after the Iowa caucus:
“This is the third time we’ve won but this is the biggest win” in Iowa caucus.
falsefalse
By Amy Sherman • January 16, 2024

Donald Trump
stated on January 3, 2024 in a TV ad:
Nikki Haley “opposed Trump’s border wall” and “Trump’s travel ban.”
falsefalse
By Maria Briceño • January 5, 2024

Donald Trump
stated on December 16, 2023 in a rally in New Hampshire:
“They want to make our Army tanks all electric.”
falsefalse
By Amy Sherman • December 21, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on December 4, 2023 in a Truth Social post:
The Lincoln Project is “using A.I. (Artificial Intelligence)” in its “television commercials.”
falsefalse
By Loreben Tuquero • December 19, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on December 2, 2023 in a speech in Iowa:
“With the historic Abraham Accords, I even made peace in the Middle East.”
falsefalse
By Amy Sherman • December 5, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on November 11, 2023 in a rally in New Hampshire:
New Hampshire has “a worse drug problem per capita than any other state."
falsefalse
By Amy Sherman • November 15, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on November 8, 2023 in a rally in Hialeah:
“Just like the Cuban regime, the Biden administration is trying to put their political opponents in jail, shutting down free speech.”
falsefalse
By Maria Briceño • November 15, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on October 7, 2023 in a news release:
"Sadly, American taxpayer dollars helped fund these attacks, which many reports are saying came from the Biden administration.”
falsefalse
By Louis Jacobson • October 11, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on September 27, 2023 in a speech in Michigan:
When I took office, “the auto industry was on its knees gasping its last breath.” Trump administration “tariffs and taxes saved the American auto industry from extinction."
falsefalse
By Louis Jacobson • October 5, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on July 24, 2023 in a campaign video:
“Under ‘Crooked Joe’ Biden, there has been a catastrophic increase in shortages of essential medicines.”
falsefalse
By Michelle Andrews • October 2, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on September 17, 2023 in an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press":
The price of "bacon is up five times" under President Joe Biden.
falsefalse
By Louis Jacobson • September 18, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on September 14, 2023 in an interview:
“I really don’t know who gave (Dr. Anthony Fauci) the commendation.”
falsefalse
By Maria Ramirez Uribe • September 14, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on August 15, 2023 in a Truth Social post:
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis “campaigned and raised money on, ‘I will get Trump.’”
falsefalse
By Amy Sherman • August 18, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on August 4, 2023 in a speech in Alabama:
“They are trying to make it illegal to question the results of a bad election.”
falsefalse
By Amy Sherman • August 9, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on August 5, 2023 in a speech in South Carolina:
“During Biden’s first 30 months in office, just 2.1 million new jobs were created, and by contrast, during my first 30 months in office we created 4.9 million new jobs.”
falsefalse
By Louis Jacobson • August 8, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on July 29, 2023 in a speech:
Says Gov. Ron DeSantis “opposed my China tariffs and he heartlessly opposed” $28 billion for farm relief, which was paid for by China.
falsefalse
By Samantha Putterman • August 8, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on April 30, 2023 in a Truth Social post:
A Florida elections bill “guts everything” “instead of getting tough, and doing what the people want (same day voting, Voter ID, proof of Citizenship, paper ballots, hand count, etc.).”
falsefalse
By Amy Sherman • May 3, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on March 4, 2023 in a post on Truth Social:
Violent crime in Manhattan is "now at a record level."
falsefalse
By Maria Ramirez Uribe • March 24, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on February 28, 2023 in a Truth Social post:
The 2020 election could not have been fair because “Los Angeles County agreed, during litigation, that there were 1.2 million ineligible voters after the election.”
falsefalse
By Amy Sherman • March 9, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on January 10, 2023 in an interview:
Joe Biden as vice president didn't "have the right to declassify" documents.
falsefalse
By Loreben Tuquero • January 19, 2023

Donald Trump
stated on November 8, 2022 in a Truth Social post:
In Detroit, “people are showing up to vote only to be told, ‘sorry, you have already voted.’”
falsefalse
By Tom Kertscher • November 9, 2022

Donald Trump
stated on October 31, 2022 in an interview:
Former President Jimmy Carter said “don’t ever use” mail in ballots because “they can be so easily corrupted.”
falsefalse
By Amy Sherman • November 4, 2022

Donald Trump
stated on October 28, 2022 in a Truth Social post:
"Over 240,000 'unverified' ballots have already been sent out in Pennsylvania, a total mess. The Democrats are playing games again.”
falsefalse
By Amy Sherman • November 3, 2022

[NICE PAIR]

Wow! this country has always been forced to elect the lessor of two evils. you have shown us what evil is about, now get out of the way so we can obviously elect the lessor of the two evils.

[David - WI]

I love the self-proclaimed "fact checkers" who proclaim anything they disagree with to "false" without any "facts" to support their claim. :icon_bs:

[CUDA]

https://guides.lib.berkeley.edu/c.php?g=620677&p=4333407

[JLanier571]

We are at a tee in the road. You either make a turn to the Right, a turn to the left, or crash. Not really complicated but you don't seem to comprehend the situation. Like I said previously, you need to talk to your customer base and see which presidential candidate will benefit them, that will in turn benefit you, your business, and your family. Do you believe that these lawsuits against Trump have merit? Do you think that there wasn't serious voter fraud in the last election? You have fallen for the "CUDA trap" never bear hatred or let it control you over basic common sense. Trump is not a saint, but he is compared to our other option and he has real understanding of fiscal policy that effects every citizen in this country and the way that we are represented on the world stage. Biden is a complete embarrassment who is working against all of us with his open invites, his personal printing press, corrupt business practice, and lack of respect from leaders abroad.


Joe

Trump has already been in charge. Nothing he did benefitted me, my family, or our business. His calls to end legal immigration were and are an insult to the skilled immigrant workers who are the lifeblood of the boating industry, and Desantis continuing his policies in Florida are a huge reason for the labor shortage. We are small enough, cheap enough and unique enough to where we are very lucky and have had minimal struggles compared to many other boat companies, and have stayed very consistent with boats to build over the past 25 years. We've had zero drop in sales as administrations have changed parties, despite the same preditictions every election year that we would never survive a democratic presidency, only to see sales go up and up. Deregulation and the financial crisis it led to under conservative leadership destroyed a ton of companies.

For you to suggest that higher taxes on the rich would kill the boating industry for a 20ft boat company is hilarious. If anything the massive number of boaters buying yachts and million plus dollar boats will drop and it would probably make our small boat business even better as people downsized little, God forbid.

And even if you were right, and anything Trump would do would actually help the company I work for, the cost of the damage he has already done to our Republic, isn't something I am okay with as an American, which matters far more to me than the opinion of customers as to what will make them or me more money. There are many things that matter far more than me to money, or anyone's opinion of me. I can work hard every day and still be a leftist. I have heard more than enough stories of my families personal interactions with Trump and his businesses to never give him my support either, even if they all still drink the Kool aid. My dad, R.E., still thinks he's president running the country from NORAD and that the guy campaigning for him is a body double running for a third term, which is legal to him because the Constitution was suspended in the 1950s.

Again, Trump thought building THREE casinos in Atlantic City under the same company would be a good idea. Look at how that worked out...he lost millions.

[JPEROG]

You are how old? If and when you reach a level where you are paying 100K+ in property taxes and or income tax combined, I will be interested to see if you still have the same views and lack of care for how your money is spent when you send it in. I would be willing to bet your grandfather doesn't have the same sentiment that you are expressing. Your statement "things matter much more to me then customers opinion and what will make them or me more money" lets me know that I am wasting my efforts with you. Business is business, business is customers, business is demand for product, and business takes a healthy economy to thrive (that is why we all work to be productive citizens). All others fall into a class that I can't relate to.

Don't bear hatred or jealousy, doing so will kill you from the inside out. I sincerely hope you take the time to learn from successful people so that you become one someday.

Joe

[JLanier571]

No hatred or jealousy at all! All respect from here. Guess what, the economy IS healthy, and business is thriving.

[CUDA]

Thank god those thieving realtors just got a little reality check,

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/realtor-commission-settlement-nar-national-association-realtors/

Yeah, show someone a parcel of land and make $50,000. That is hard work, and it takes a salesman. That's it; there is very little to

know. the highest-paying job for the least amount of knowledge or effort.

But big money. About time they made the change.

[JLanier571]

By the way, I didn't say "things matter much more to me then customers opinion and what will make them or me more money"

I said that "what I am okay with as an American, matters more to me than the opinion of customers as to what will make them or me more money." I care more about our nation as a whole and the republic it stands for, more than anyone's wallet. If you disagree, that's on you. But don't misquote me ;).

Trump is a guy who has been quoted respecting the leadership style of Kim Jong Un, Erdogan, and Vladimir Putin. Is that who you want in charge?

[David - WI]

Kim Jong Un, Erdogan, and Vladimir Putin... name three people who didn't f*ck with Trump. :cheers:

[JLanier571]

Kim Jong Un got a meeting and an acknowledgement from a US President for literally nothing in return. Tensions there are higher than ever. If Biden had done that you'd probably be calling him a communist if you weren't already. Kim literally flattered his way into a meeting, and STILL is praised by Trump after giving him nothing. If that's not what you mean by f*ck with Trump, idk what would meet that definition at all lol. Trump bent over in every political sense with North Korea.

[David - WI]

If Biden did everything Trump did...
I would VOTE for him!

[John S]

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Just for reference, this is what this thread is… well, was aboot.:D Pretty interesting project. Hope they’re getting some gains with it. Would like to hear updates.

Y’all need to chill on the poli ****. Ain’t nobody changing anyone else’s mind. There’s a sub forum for that if I’m not mistaken.

[XstreamVking]

Kim Jong Un got a meeting and an acknowledgement from a US President for literally nothing in return. Tensions there are higher than ever. If Biden had done that you'd probably be calling him a communist if you weren't already. Kim literally flattered his way into a meeting, and STILL is praised by Trump after giving him nothing. If that's not what you mean by f*ck with Trump, idk what would meet that definition at all lol. Trump bent over in every political sense with North Korea.

You seem to have no idea how diplomacy works. You HAVE to interact with all the nations on the earth when you rep for the US. We are a world leader and a nuclear power. Don't forget that N Korea/Russia/China have nukes. You think it's better to just ignore our potential opponents? Most of the time when people actually meet in person the distrust and hate fade. I like that Trump has the nuts to go to N Korea and meet with "the rocket man" on his own turf. I never saw anyone else with the courage to do so. Especially true of our current basement dweller in chief.

[NICE PAIR]

Trump has already been in charge. Nothing he did benefitted me, my family, or our business. His calls to end legal immigration were and are an insult to the skilled immigrant workers who are the lifeblood of the boating industry, and Desantis continuing his policies in Florida are a huge reason for the labor shortage. We are small enough, cheap enough and unique enough to where we are very lucky and have had minimal struggles compared to many other boat companies, and have stayed very consistent with boats to build over the past 25 years. We've had zero drop in sales as administrations have changed parties, despite the same preditictions every election year that we would never survive a democratic presidency, only to see sales go up and up. Deregulation and the financial crisis it led to under conservative leadership destroyed a ton of companies.

For you to suggest that higher taxes on the rich would kill the boating industry for a 20ft boat company is hilarious. If anything the massive number of boaters buying yachts and million plus dollar boats will drop and it would probably make our small boat business even better as people downsized little, God forbid.

And even if you were right, and anything Trump would do would actually help the company I work for, the cost of the damage he has already done to our Republic, isn't something I am okay with as an American, which matters far more to me than the opinion of customers as to what will make them or me more money. There are many things that matter far more than me to money, or anyone's opinion of me. I can work hard every day and still be a leftist. I have heard more than enough stories of my families personal interactions with Trump and his businesses to never give him my support either, even if they all still drink the Kool aid. My dad, R.E., still thinks he's president running the country from NORAD and that the guy campaigning for him is a body double running for a third term, which is legal to him because the Constitution was suspended in the 1950s.

Again, Trump thought building THREE casinos in Atlantic City under the same company would be a good idea. Look at how that worked out...he lost millions.

If you look really hard (squint if you have to). There is a forest thru all those trees! :thumbsup:

[NICE PAIR]

You seem to have no idea how diplomacy works. You HAVE to interact with all the nations on the earth when you rep for the US. We are a world leader and a nuclear power. Don't forget that N Korea/Russia/China have nukes. You think it's better to just ignore our potential opponents? Most of the time when people actually meet in person the distrust and hate fade. I like that Trump has the nuts to go to N Korea and meet with "the rocket man" on his own turf. I never saw anyone else with the courage to do so. Especially true of our current basement dweller in chief.

531653 :thumbsup:

[JLanier571]

531654

Oh yeah, so courageous. Took some real balls and diplomatic skill to get nothing in return lol. If this was Biden you'd be calling it horrific.

[XstreamVking]

You are mistaken. If bidumb did anything positive at all it would be good. Instead he goes on vacation in his basement, sniffs kids and eats ice cream. Your TDS and lack of knowledge about diplomacy could not be any more obvious. The "take away" is that he stopped nuclear development for some time (till biudumb came along) and behaved himself by discontinuing his threats of rocket launches.

After this i'm done wasting my time w/you. You need to get some straight info and not from watching CNN and listening to NPR radio.
Not my job to educate you.

During the buildup to the Trump-Kim summit in June, North Korea released three American detainees – Kim Dong Chul, Tony Kim and Kim Hak Song — who returned to home on a plane with then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

[JLanier571]

Discontinuing his threats of rocket launches??

You are literally just flat out lying.

Kim Jong Un, from the date of the first summit on June 12, 2018, to the day Trump left office, LAUNCHED, not threatened, no less than ELEVEN ballistic missile tests.

Clinton, Bush, and Obama, all successfully got American prisoners out of North Korea as well without giving Kim a smiling photo op, a salute, and endless praise for his dominance he has over his communist country...and somehow his followers like you still call themselves patriotic...it will never cease to amaze me.

[JLanier571]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile_tests#Timeline

[XstreamVking]

Only you can prevent TDS....

[JLanier571]

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24536352-brief-of-retired-four-star-admirals-generals-in-support-of-smith-re-trump-immunity

17 Four Star Generals sent this in to the Supreme Court today. If you call yourself a patriot at all, give it a read.