KW Worlds 11-14-2021

[sonicss33]

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[XstreamVking]

Nice pics. Thanks. 3 boat pile up, with one on it's lid! Wow!

[CUDA]

The first turn in boat racing is always scary,

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=496457&d=1636979932

[Chaz]

Crum,

Try to refrain from locking up yet another thread within a month by posting garbage about :

Rittenhouse trial

Missing ballots

Drunken AG's

Kidney foundation add's

And other articles written by "Taboola" :rolleyes:

You have invented the blue screens we see ... :cool:

[noli]

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[CUDA]

Just found out that green and white boat that got speared by Allen Lawn was a brand new Doug Wright at It's first race:eek:

Allen finished the race with little damage, while the other has substantial damage but he kept it moving so it did not sink.

[JPEROG]

Congratulations to Performance Boat Center and Wicked powerboats "two of our board members running the Wicked boat" for a great show.

Randy and Billy were really hooked together hard and it could have easily been a tragic seen if the impact were two or three feet further back.

There are going to be manufacture rule changes coming up for SS class and additional weight will be needed to comply. The boats are so competitive and bunched up that safety has come to the forefront with race officials-the "crash, flip, or roll" in every race isn't good for anyone. There are 5 additional boats anticipated to join this class next year, the 20" 300R will raise the C.G. and things will become even more dicey as better acceleration comes into play as well.

Joe

[Chaz]

Good job to Todd and Brent .. first time together in a fast boat .. ;) :D

Joe , your other homies from Mo. put together a nice string for the weekend. I'm a big fan of consistency .. :thumbsup:

Weight rules .. Adding side bumpers .. ???

I'll sklp the bent valves and connecting rods when they flip the 20" towers next year .. just remember you heard it here first .. :rolleyes:

I think there is rule that states that you must stay in your lane until you make it around the first turn or lap ... whatever it is .
They are going to need to paint lane stripes .. or show those guys where the brake pedal is .. Jack hammer looks to be in lane eight ..

https://i.imgur.com/fbuY0Nsl.jpg

Lane eight , to lane one .. no matter how many you push inside the buoy .

Was jackhammer DQ'd ... :nonod:

Were any of them "apex strafing" and in alignment to go tight on the second buoy :nonod: Well maybe jackhammer .. :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/65xvtS6l.jpg

Maybe windshield wipers would be a good rule , and a pick-up truck full of gravel in the nose to keep from getting blown over by guys crossing seven lanes in front of you.

I'm getting old and can't see as good as I usta .. but did anyone see a checkered flag in turn one .. ???

https://i.imgur.com/UzOKCcbl.jpg

So hammer time , what happened to the seven boats inside of you .. say what you want .. ****** is a rookie . Joe , take him New Smyrna Speedway , show the clip to drivers in the bomber class and let him run with them good ole boys one night ... :eek:
I hate it that boy got put in the fence (concrete wall) like he did .. ;)

https://i.imgur.com/YKOZFDvl.jpg

[mach351]

Todd and Brent really had that little Wicked rolling on Friday…..Brent was coming in wayyyyy wide on turn 2 looking for calmer water I would guess…..putting on a good show for everyone!!!

[Lake rat Skater]

Congratulations to Performance Boat Center and Wicked powerboats "two of our board members running the Wicked boat" for a great show.

Randy and Billy were really hooked together hard and it could have easily been a tragic seen if the impact were two or three feet further back.

There are going to be manufacture rule changes coming up for SS class and additional weight will be needed to comply. The boats are so competitive and bunched up that safety has come to the forefront with race officials-the "crash, flip, or roll" in every race isn't good for anyone. There are 5 additional boats anticipated to join this class next year, the 20" 300R will raise the C.G. and things will become even more dicey as better acceleration comes into play as well.

Joe


I am all for safety however I would hate to see changes have negative impacts on stock class when it has been growing into something great and gets better every year. I would say a better solution would be to split the boats up so you don't have more than 8 on the course at a time, Have two "heat" races and then the top 4 boats from each race have one final. That avoids having to many boats bunched together and gives up even more stock class racing to watch.

Also as Chaz posted the guys should be "encouraged" to not do what Jackhammer did in the first turn

Care to share any info on the other boats anticipated to join next year? More Doug Wrights or anything new in the mix?

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I think that the errors that the race team makes on the race course can be eliminated with software


for example --> excessive hard-cornering can cause the catamaran to flip

one solution to prevent flipping could be ..

1. measure these metrics [ speed, g-force-cornering, throttle-location ]
* the software would measure the boat's speed, and throttle location
* as the boat goes into a turn, the g-force increases throughout the cornering around the turn-buoys
* the software at this point then decides unless the throttle is decreased[--sped], the flipping-point of the cat will be reached in x-seconds if the throttle is not decreased
* the software would predict that the max-g-force of the cat would be reached causing a flip, and actively decreases the throttle to prevent flipping the cat from cornering

what is the flip-speed of the boat at a corner?

The answer is ... it depends on the following
* what is the weight of the boat at that point in time in the race
* as the race progresses, the weight of the boat decreases due to the fuel being burned
* as the fuel is burned, its center-of-gravity also changes
* the embedded system would have look-up tables to know these values


The same software can be created to prevent blow-overs as well






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so with this system, we won't ever need racers like Gary Ballough, Ricky Moldonado nor Shaun Torrente

a 2 inch computer cube would replace the human racers

...wait my idea sucks

never mind!!!!






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[JPEROG]

Noli this sounds expensive and complicated. I think Chaz has the right idea with all of the footage that is available. If you don't hold your lane for the first lap then your efforts are fruitless as "you will receive a penalty or be disqualified if your actions caused an accident".

Joe

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Yuup agreed

I'm surprised they didn't make an executive call on Sundays crashes





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[CUDA]

Just before the corner the four boats to the inside of Jackhammer were fighting for two lanes side by side, two years ago at this race two boats came close to each other and blew over in perfect unisons, the boat that blew over made the corner but once in Jackhammers wake It leaped up with only one motor in the water while turning It corkscrewed, I understand It's racing but when all you see is water spraying your wind shield many boats backed down but not all.
The 2 heat Idea to limit boats sounds solid... That's why it's called Racing

[Chaz]

No need in reinventing the wheel. Just enforce the rules that are already on the books.

Point the black flag .. "Hey you , dumb **** you just crashed three of the six boats you cut in front of .. your out !

I'll bet a canoli that if they did that ... everybody would be on their best behavior ;)

Race Course Infractions :

19. Failure to maintain your lane in turn one, will result in disqualification, a second offense could mean barring from competition for the remainder of said year, or following year. (Example 1: Boat A has a poll position of Lane 4, but takes the Turn in Lane 1). (Example 2: Boat has poll position of Lane 2 going into the turn, but cuts/dives under Boat B and comes out of the Turn in Lane 1.)

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Randy Swears ..

"Tough day for the #33 PlayTradez Offshore Racing Team..We had a good start and coming into turn #1 we had a collision with Team Allen Lawncare.. The boat took a hard hit on the Throttlemans side but our Doug Wright withstood the impact and kept us safe.. The boat will need some TLC back at the factory and will be ready to run for next season.
I want to thank all those who were part of S-33 PlayTradez for Key West 2021. My partner and Driver Bryan Marquardt (https://www.facebook.com/bryan.marquardt.58?__cft__[0]=AZWf72pE33SqPdnmUqkW548cuZ_UJtKoz_BualWGoyXv-hsusOJHxzx0bV8Mpb7F9a93UyO1HCE5K7RzBaEg0BHQGoIgX0UD8GHCfI0pzUntu7Qffig_bni58MhST9ZV5jY&__tn__=-]K-R) , Our Sponsors , Crew and Friends and Doug Wright and Shaun Torrente for building us a fast and reliable 32 DW. This has been a memorable week of Racing. Not the results we were looking for but we will take the experience and build for the 2022 season . "


Facebook-Link (https://www.facebook.com/randy.sweers.7)


very cool guy indeed!




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Todd D shared some pics

Wicked Race boats



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Todd's podium win



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Todd D (right)

Shaun Torrente (middle)



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[CUDA]

That was Brent's first race steering :cheers: he's the good looking guy on the left;)

Todd has DW making a 32 FT. mold of Todd's design

So the future is bright, just have to keep it right side up, those corners are dangerous

the extra three feet is going to be welcomed :cheers:

now that Todd has all that Booty that ear to ear smile is permeant.

[mr fun]

Crum,

Try to refrain from locking up yet another thread within a month by posting garbage about :

Rittenhouse trial

Missing ballots

Drunken AG's

Kidney foundation add's

And other articles written by "Taboola" :rolleyes:

You have invented the blue screens we see ... :cool:

thats funny, I thought something went wrong on my end


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Instigator]

In APBA in my day:

The start:

Boats shall maintain their lane from start line to first pin of first turn.

Overlap:

Overtaking boats shall not cause overtaken boats to change course until at least two (I think) boat lengths past overtaken boat.

Max boats per heat:

Twelve.
Beyond that forced elimination/qualifying heats.

I dont think the UIM had boat limits.

Based on pix’s, looked like gnarly conditions for that size boats.
Very cool and glad everyone is OK ��




No need in reinventing the wheel. Just enforce the rules that are already on the books.

Point the black flag .. "Hey you , dumb **** you just crashed three of the six boats you cut in front of .. your out !

I'll bet a canoli that if they did that ... everybody would be on their best behavior ;)

Race Course Infractions :

19. Failure to maintain your lane in turn one, will result in disqualification, a second offense could mean barring from competition for the remainder of said year, or following year. (Example 1: Boat A has a poll position of Lane 4, but takes the Turn in Lane 1). (Example 2: Boat has poll position of Lane 2 going into the turn, but cuts/dives under Boat B and comes out of the Turn in Lane 1.)

[mach351]

Conditions weren’t bad at all (at least compared to normal key west conditions)

I agree lanes need to be followed. I don’t agree on limiting boat count.

everyone watching waits for super stock. It’s the best race of the day. The most boats and the closest racing. Most other classes (except for super cat) have maybe three boats.

I say watch for lane infractions and let them race. The more boats the better. I can’t wait to see 20 super stock boats rolling down the stretch between 2 and 3……going to be a epic.

[Chaz]

thats funny, I thought something went wrong on my end


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yea .. no ... not enough upstairs to hack the internet. Nor enough common sense to keep the "dark side" to himself.
The result : He invents (infects) the blue screen's we see .. :(

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If you show up to a NHRA or IHRA track and plan on going 9.99 or quicker , not only must your whip be inspected .. but you must pass a physical . Then it takes 6 runs to (maybe) get your license. Three short squirts one night. Then two more of the same and a full run quicker than 9.99 on another night.
All six have to be witnessed and signed off by two licensed drivers of equal or quicker status as well as a track official .
Just because you can afford it ... doesn't mean you have the ability to compete. They won't stop you from practicing at a slower speed until you are ready to compete , but on the same token .. they won't turn loose a green monster.
It's not fool proof, but goes a long way to provide peace of mind that you can go anywhere in the country and know the guy in the other lane is reasonably safe .

Skimming thru the APBA OPA rule books it looks to be more of a pay for this and pay for that .. OK , good to go .

Three boat classes .. lot's of room to make a mistake that no one will even notice, let alone enforce any "don't come back till you can drive" rules. I'm sure they are of the mindset ... we are lucky to get what we have .. lets not run anybody off.

Twenty boat classes ... with flagrant rules violations and lack of enforcement, well we all know what can and does happen .
Nothing wrong with having qualifying or heat races on Saturday of "one day" races and the same for the first day of multi-day races , after that you start where you finished the day before .. even if it's on the second row. Better than being sent home for being slow or suffering broken parts during qualifying or the race the day before.

Racing will always be dangerous, but I would think the sanctioning bodies can come up with better remedies than "build stronger boats" .. :rolleyes:

[XstreamVking]

With all the computer technology, they could put a lane grid up over the start vids and into the 1st turn to illustrate the lane keep (or not) and show video evidence why you were being penalized for lane crowding.

[Lanier Custom Boats]

That is not a correct statement. DW will not be making any boat from Todds boat. It's an LCB, Cougar hull. We are looking to build a new boat for the next season.We have to wait and see what the changes in the class will be.

[Mark75H]

Chaz is correct. The only thing that could have prevented the mayhem is more wheel time by the drivers at fault. As far as the flip, to me it appears to be induced by wake spray. There is no automatic control that is going to stop a boat from being flipped when the driver runs it into the wake of the boat in front of it, again, it comes down to experience and skill of reading the water, split second decision making that I do not possess. I once asked a CSH driver how he navigated the first turn with no visibility in the spray - this was a guy who may have been one of the top 3 or 4 who ever raced - he explained that you can feel the spray effects on your own boat and know where and what is happening with other boats near you even though you can't see anything. May not have been a coincidence that he stopped racing later that summer.

[JBS]

That race looked like the old mod VP days