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home made tunnel
10-20-2020, 06:40 PM
Mainly geared towards the little motors. I can’t believe they’re still carbureted. There are SOME fuel injected but it’s 2020 for crying out loud! I just bought a 20hp merc tiller for my inflatable raft, but it’s amazing Merc is behind the ball. They don’t sell a 9.9 fuel injected. Suzuki does. Even tohatsu does! I know tohatsu makes the smaller motors for merc, but it’s just silly how many small motors are still carbed.

FUJIMO
10-20-2020, 06:45 PM
...why do you think?

SS Minnow
10-20-2020, 08:26 PM
I have an older 9.9 2 smoke Merc and it is magneto, no battery, no charging system.

I assume that if I wanted to convert that to injected, I would have to add a battery and then figure out some kind of way to keep it charged?

Capt.Insane-o
10-20-2020, 08:44 PM
enjoy your tohatsu.

Whaaaaat
10-20-2020, 09:10 PM
Simplicity and weight, I'd be happy that carb was still available in small outboards. And what was said above. No need for battery.
What next, efi for your lawnmower and weed wacker?

keefallan
10-21-2020, 04:25 AM
Efi would make the costs too high..........no profits for them, they would probably have to sell it at cost to make it affordable for us to want to buy it. Is that Tohatsu electric start? Ya need 12v on before you start said beastie........:thumbsup:

My bosses lawn mowers and tractors are all carb'd............just saying Tunnel.

Da Bull
10-21-2020, 06:38 AM
There are some of us that still prefer Carbs.

Instigator
10-21-2020, 07:31 AM
After spending $3500 for a fully programmable EFI for a hot rod OB project of mine, I learned how good a properly tuned carb (‘s) can be.

It takes a computer w/sensors all over the powerhead to make a motor run better than it does on carbs.

Keefallan is right in your instance though. It’s cost.

XstreamVking
10-21-2020, 07:44 AM
Only people that don't like carbs, are the ones that have never worked on them and don't know them. Check out the carb to efi conversions on the hot rod cars etc. Well tuned carbs hold their own with the EFI stuff hp to hp.

KIRCHNER
10-21-2020, 09:00 AM
When i was drag racing nhra S/P, i ran a 400 SBC, carb, no nos, no turbo all motor 630 h.p. 106/ 1/8, 130/1/4. 1.36 60FT. SINGLE 4BBL. For stop & go daily use, efi is superior, instantly calculating for optimum mixture, but for all out wide open throttle, a carb can get the job done. and you dont need 12v.. Ihave a 20hp yammi on a 13 whaler, pull start, carb, love it.

InjectorService
10-21-2020, 10:45 AM
In Mercs defense the 9.9 Zuki is really a de-tuned 20hp. So if Merc wanted to they could release a detuned 20 and call it a 9.9 as well. Merc has EFI down to 15hp which is lower than any other manufacture (Suzuki aside). The efi motors are nice, I see a lot of them around here. Easy starting, no choke etc. Easy for the wife/kids to go out and put around/fish. All those motors have batteryless EFI so you don't need to lug a 12V around.

EDIT: I guess I missed the Touhatu part of the thread. But if they have a 9.9 out, GARUNTEED Merc will be dropping a 9.9 soon. The Touhatsu/Merc 15 & 20 are the same motor, Merc just has the nicer tiller handle (BY FAR the nicest handle on a small motor out there)

Brad Zastrow
10-21-2020, 10:52 AM
One word sums it up. COST. Small carb for $20 or $1000 EFI

FUJIMO
10-21-2020, 11:21 AM
...why do you think?
...yup...cost.:smiletest:

KIRCHNER
10-21-2020, 04:05 PM
...yup...cost.:smiletest:
Of course, they have to justify its existence, you dont have a efi weed eater, shame on you. When the big E.M.P.comes, ill wave as i go bye...lol.

Chaz
10-21-2020, 04:29 PM
Before electric start motorcycles .. If you couldn't kick start it, you had no business trying to ride it .. :eek:

Same deal with outboards ... if you cant pull the rope, .. well , you know .. ;)

Today ... Here kid , put this 60 HP (four stroke ;) ) on your new boat. Just turn the key and go ... :eek:

https://www.boatdesigns.com/8-Pee-Wee-mini-runabout/products/346/


https://www.glen-l.com/designs/outboard/outboard-images/dsn-pweb.jpg

FUJIMO
10-21-2020, 05:09 PM
Of course, they have to justify its existence, you dont have a efi weed eater, shame on you. When the big E.M.P.comes, ill wave as i go bye...lol.
...ah, a fellow dark angel fan...;)

KIRCHNER
10-21-2020, 06:18 PM
You know its more than a possibility. The system is all ready in place. When it comes down, I hope my MRE,s & beef jerky will keep me going. oh, carbs wont help, thell be no SPARK. My whaler has oar locks, i can row..

Donzi222
10-21-2020, 06:29 PM
What next, efi for your lawnmower and weed wacker?

If the "green new deal" is implemented .....

SS Minnow
10-21-2020, 06:43 PM
In Mercs defense the 9.9 Zuki is really a de-tuned 20hp. So if Merc wanted to they could release a detuned 20 and call it a 9.9 as well. Merc has EFI down to 15hp which is lower than any other manufacture (Suzuki aside). The efi motors are nice, I see a lot of them around here. Easy starting, no choke etc. Easy for the wife/kids to go out and put around/fish. All those motors have batteryless EFI so you don't need to lug a 12V around.

EDIT: I guess I missed the Touhatu part of the thread. But if they have a 9.9 out, GARUNTEED Merc will be dropping a 9.9 soon. The Touhatsu/Merc 15 & 20 are the same motor, Merc just has the nicer tiller handle (BY FAR the nicest handle on a small motor out there)


Are you sure about that? I looked at Mercs website for the 15 hp EFI and it has an alternator spec listed. Why is there an alternator if there is no battery?

Just wondering. I think it would be cool if someone were able to make an EFI system that did not need a battery. Between the electronics to run the computer, and then the fuel pump, I just wonder how they could pull it off?

powerabout
10-21-2020, 07:03 PM
E-tec doesnt need a battery as their 15hp proved years ago

KIRCHNER
10-21-2020, 07:12 PM
I was 13 or 14, took off school to go boating, all set, dead battery. found a mower pull cord. i was wimpy 120 lbs. buddy bet me 2$ i couldnt pull it. v4 evinrude 90. stand back 2 pulls and ill take that 2 bucks. EFI? whats that?? i could almost fit in the cowl.

SS Minnow
10-21-2020, 07:17 PM
E-tec doesnt need a battery as their 15hp proved years ago


Again, on the Evinrude website it lists a spec for an alternator.

Do you have a link to an EFI that does not need a battery? I really am curious to see it? Thanks!!

SS Minnow
10-21-2020, 07:19 PM
I was 13 or 14, took off school to go boating, all set, dead battery. found a mower pull cord. i was wimpy 120 lbs. buddy bet me 2$ i couldnt pull it. v4 evinrude 90. stand back 2 pulls and ill take that 2 bucks. EFI? whats that?? i could almost fit in the cowl.

In my late teens a buddy had an inline 6 115 that we pull started a couple of times. Everybody up in the front of the boat except the guy pullin so nobody gets hit by the rope. I was pullin once and my buddy Tommy was not paying attention and that rope left a welt across his back!!!!! Looked, and sounded like it hurt!!!

KIRCHNER
10-21-2020, 07:36 PM
In my late teens a buddy had an inline 6 115 that we pull started a couple of times. Everybody up in the front of the boat except the guy pullin so nobody gets hit by the rope. I was pullin once and my buddy Tommy was not paying attention and that rope left a welt across his back!!!!! Looked, and sounded like it hurt!!!
Yeah, that knot on the end really smarts! get down and cover your face lol my 90 had a magneto and push-button F N R. no cable, lever, way ahead of its time, shift-by- wire, select-0-shift 1969>maybe?? even had a bullet gear case, stock. 50 years ago.

SS Minnow
10-21-2020, 07:43 PM
Yeah, that knot on the end really smarts! get down and cover your face lol my 90 had a magneto and push-button F N R. no cable, lever, way ahead of its time, shift-by- wire, select-0-shift 1969>maybe?? even had a bullet gear case, stock. 50 years ago.

My grandfather had a similar motor back in the 70's. Not sure the year of the motor, but it was a 65 hp Evinrude. One year he was a little late to winterize the lower unit and it cracked. He was so mad about it he gave it to the neighbor and bought a 60 Chrysler with a dual ignition system. That motor never ran right and was also given away, I forget how long ago. But that Evinrude the neighbor has, it still is being used to this day.

powerabout
10-21-2020, 08:13 PM
Again, on the Evinrude website it lists a spec for an alternator.

Do you have a link to an EFI that does not need a battery? I really am curious to see it? Thanks!!

E-tec like cd outboard ignition dont need a battery.
They throw in an alternator so you can have electric start etc.
Lots of the small japs engines are now battery less efi.
https://www.maritimepropulsion.com/news/outboards-with-battery-less-445914

seef158
10-21-2020, 08:55 PM
Maybe a little off topic but arctic cat snowmobiles had Suzuki engines with "batteryless efi" in the late 90s.....maybe as early as 96 or 97. I was sceptical even as a teenager at the time, but was big into sleds. They advertised one pull to charge the coils and one more pull of the rope to start the engine. I was awestruck to see it work on a 20 below zero day..... and a little disappointed that it worked as I have always been a polaris guy. They ran that system for years, almost every cat sled 600 cc and up was efi from the early 2000s on up. I will say my carbed polaris 500 ate up more than one 500 and 600 cc cat back then, but I took the time to learn clutching and that is a topic for another thread.

Da Bull
10-22-2020, 05:53 AM
Yeah, that knot on the end really smarts! get down and cover your face lol my 90 had a magneto and push-button F N R. no cable, lever, way ahead of its time, shift-by- wire, select-0-shift 1969>maybe?? even had a bullet gear case, stock. 50 years ago.

I can`t believe this came up as I worked on a guys 1962 V-4 electric shift 75hp Johnson the other day. Down draft carb problems. I didn`t know they came out that early with elect shift. My first boats was a Kona w/100hp elect shift Evinrude.

InjectorService
10-22-2020, 08:53 AM
Are you sure about that? I looked at Mercs website for the 15 hp EFI and it has an alternator spec listed. Why is there an alternator if there is no battery?

Just wondering. I think it would be cool if someone were able to make an EFI system that did not need a battery. Between the electronics to run the computer, and then the fuel pump, I just wonder how they could pull it off?


100% Those small motors have batteryless EFI. I'm not sure if all of the Mercs have the charging system built in, just not hooked up for battery charging or not, or if there is a charge coil that they remove on those models. Pretty common in the small stuff actually. Merc does a pretty poor job of explaining the differences in their motors IMO. They list specs for 1 or 2 models, when they have multiple variations of each.

EDIT: Ill see if I can get a video of one in action a little later.

KIRCHNER
10-22-2020, 09:17 AM
I can`t believe this came up as I worked on a guys 1962 V-4 electric shift 75hp Johnson the other day. Down draft carb problems. I didn`t know they came out that early with elect shift. My first boats was a Kona w/100hp elect shift Evinrude.
The 90 had side draft 4 bbl. the push button shift was soooo coooool. it used a electro-magnetic coil that gripped a knerled shaft. it was 25-1 oil/gas back then. merc top gun was the 80

Brad Zastrow
10-22-2020, 09:41 AM
My last Arctic Cat snowmobile had EFI with no battery. The first pull on the rope charged the system and the second pull it started.


Are you sure about that? I looked at Mercs website for the 15 hp EFI and it has an alternator spec listed. Why is there an alternator if there is no battery?

Just wondering. I think it would be cool if someone were able to make an EFI system that did not need a battery. Between the electronics to run the computer, and then the fuel pump, I just wonder how they could pull it off?

MattGreen
10-22-2020, 07:25 PM
Regarding alternators on small engines that are rope-start: OMC had these available on certain models, or as an accessory kit, for many, many years, down to as low as 8hp. They were used for things like running lights, fishfinders, and (somewhat) charging electric trolling motor batteries.

Matt

powerabout
10-22-2020, 07:29 PM
Regarding alternators on small engines that are rope-start: OMC had these available on certain models, or as an accessory kit, for many, many years, down to as low as 8hp. They were used for things like running lights, fishfinders, and (somewhat) charging electric trolling motor batteries.

Matt
ac light even on 4hp twins, add rectifier kit and charge a battery

Chaz
10-22-2020, 08:30 PM
ac light even on 4hp twins, add rectifier kit and charge a battery

Is it strong enough to run a small Home Depo "window shaker" AC unit ... and a flex~fuel sensor ???

I like to be kool breeze while I'm bein C.A.R.B. compliant ... :D

FUJIMO
10-22-2020, 08:41 PM
Regarding alternators on small engines that are rope-start: OMC had these available on certain models, or as an accessory kit, for many, many years, down to as low as 8hp. They were used for things like running lights, fishfinders, and (somewhat) charging electric trolling motor batteries.

Matt
...alternators? i think you mean the little add-on stator/rectifier kit...

powerabout
10-22-2020, 09:24 PM
Many models came with 3 phase stator no rectifier.

powerabout
10-22-2020, 09:25 PM
Is it strong enough to run a small Home Depo "window shaker" AC unit ... and a flex~fuel sensor ???

I like to be kool breeze while I'm bein C.A.R.B. compliant ... :D
If you ate carbs instead of protein you would be cooler...lol

MattGreen
10-22-2020, 11:31 PM
...alternators? i think you mean the little add-on stator/rectifier kit...
Yes, technically that’s what I meant. They weren’t all kits though, some came with them from OMC - some Saildrive 8 & 9.9 extra-long models as memory serves.

Matt

FUJIMO
10-23-2020, 07:21 AM
Yes, technically that’s what I meant. They weren’t all kits though, some came with them from OMC - some Saildrive 8 & 9.9 extra-long models as memory serves.

Matt
...yes, all the o/b makers had this over the years, if you wanted it...

KIRCHNER
10-23-2020, 09:24 AM
I can`t believe this came up as I worked on a guys 1962 V-4 electric shift 75hp Johnson the other day. Down draft carb problems. I didn`t know they came out that early with elect shift. My first boats was a Kona w/100hp elect shift Evinrude.
Wow, i just saw a old KONA on the roadside! looks kike a checkmate. For real, faded metalflake silver,pretty rough.

Chaz
10-23-2020, 10:00 AM
Wow, i just saw a old KONA on the roadside! looks kike a checkmate.

Kirchi , was that a racial slur .. ??? :D

powerabout


https://www.screamandfly.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Chaz https://www.screamandfly.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?p=3240607#post3240607)
Is it strong enough to run a small Home Depo "window shaker" AC unit ... and a flex~fuel sensor ???

I like to be kool breeze while I'm bein C.A.R.B. compliant ... :D



If you ate carbs instead of protein you would be cooler...lol


Power ole boy , Everybody knows, Canoli's are nonfattening .. :leaving:

Chaz = rememberin, pullin over to the side of the road to stick the straw of a can of carb cleaner down the idle and main air feed holes to blow the garbage out if those two simple circuits .. and on my way again. Not so much having a bad electronic sub system or two .. :nonod:

XstreamVking
10-23-2020, 04:00 PM
Old mechanics trick to cleaning the carb circuits. While running, choke it to death quick with a rag over the carb throat till it dies. Fire it back up and keep on trucking.

powerabout
10-23-2020, 07:57 PM
Old mechanics trick to cleaning the carb circuits. While running, choke it to death quick with a rag over the carb throat till it dies. Fire it back up and keep on trucking.
Used that trick one or twice but doesnt work with those horrible Tohatsu 4 stroke carbs, the holes are 1 micron and the dirt 2 microns

tunnelfun
10-27-2020, 03:01 AM
Most of the big pleasure trawlers that have dinghies with carb motors carry new spare parts. Like carb, ignition, rope,.......
If it's EFI they carry a spare motor.

nitro_rat
10-27-2020, 07:54 AM
Old mechanics trick to cleaning the carb circuits. While running, choke it to death quick with a rag over the carb throat till it dies. Fire it back up and keep on trucking.

or your palm...

adamsmitt
10-27-2020, 09:52 AM
Hi there. Interesting thread. So do we have injector engines in boats? Any examples?

SS Minnow
10-28-2020, 10:16 PM
Hi there. Interesting thread. So do we have injector engines in boats? Any examples?



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Dave S
10-28-2020, 11:39 PM
We have carbs...because we still have gas.......Barny to fred.....Faster T Rex is cooming on our tail......

RSWORDS
10-29-2020, 06:44 PM
Are you sure about that? I looked at Mercs website for the 15 hp EFI and it has an alternator spec listed. Why is there an alternator if there is no battery?

Just wondering. I think it would be cool if someone were able to make an EFI system that did not need a battery. Between the electronics to run the computer, and then the fuel pump, I just wonder how they could pull it off?

Merc/tohatsu 30 hp and down FI don't require a battery.

RSWORDS
10-29-2020, 06:47 PM
Used that trick one or twice but doesnt work with those horrible Tohatsu 4 stroke carbs, the holes are 1 micron and the dirt 2 microns

Yep. Can't tell you how many come in the shop running like crap from sitting. Pull the carb, looks fine, run it through the ultrasonic cleaner, put it together, runs great.

Whaaaaat
10-29-2020, 07:01 PM
Yep. Can't tell you how many come in the shop running like crap from sitting. Pull the carb, looks fine, run it through the ultrasonic cleaner, put it together, runs great.

Power tune is worth its weight in gold. Did two generators and a pressure washer recently that all sat 10 plus years without running. Had them all purring without even removing the carb.

Merc 2.5
10-29-2020, 07:09 PM
Power tune is worth its weight in gold. Did two generators and a pressure washer recently that all sat 10 plus years without running. Had them all purring without even removing the carb.

Funny u say that. My generator had 4 yr old gas in it and hadn't been started. If fired right up and I ran bout half gas out and added little new , all Is good. I would had bet it would had been stopped up

Whaaaaat
10-29-2020, 07:17 PM
Funny u say that. My generator had 4 yr old gas in it and hadn't been started. If fired right up and I ran bout half gas out and added little new , all Is good. I would had bet it would had been stopped up

Guy brought me 2 , been sitting 10 years each. One diesel one gas. I would have put$ on the diesel firing right up. Not the case. It was gummed up just as bad as the gas one. I filled the carb with power tune and let it sit 2 days. Worked like new, cleaned tank also. The diesel one I had to" rebuild "the fuel pump . That diesel was like glue , surprised the hell out of me.

RSWORDS
10-30-2020, 05:46 AM
Power tune is worth its weight in gold. Did two generators and a pressure washer recently that all sat 10 plus years without running. Had them all purring without even removing the carb.

Don't have time for that. I can have one those little carbs off, disassembled, US cleaned, assembled, back on, gas drained and filled, filter changed in less than an hour

Whaaaaat
10-30-2020, 07:12 AM
Don't have time for that. I can have one those little carbs off, disassembled, US cleaned, assembled, back on, gas drained and filled, filter changed in less than an hour

Takes me 5 minutes to fill the bowl and hose? Not sure how that's slower. Yours is the book correct way. I won't argue that. But I don't need to track down any gaskets, inevitably one always tears. Fill with power tune, then continue on your day, the next day start it. Worst thing that happens is you end up doing it your way and the tune has started the cleaning process.

Not sure on the little outboards, but almost all small power equipment it's not worth the time it takes to rebuild the carb. If it comes to that it gets thrown out and replaced. Most are in the $20 dollar range.

RSWORDS
10-30-2020, 08:03 AM
Alot of the small outboard carbs are $300+.

There are some that its cheaper to replace then buy new so with those we do.

InjectorService
10-30-2020, 09:04 AM
Don't think that injection is always better than carbs either. They can gum up and stick just like a carb can.

Ask me how I know! ;)

SS Minnow
10-30-2020, 09:09 AM
Don't think that injection is always better than carbs either. They can gum up and stick just like a carb can.

Ask me how I know! ;)


How do you know?

Whaaaaat
10-30-2020, 09:21 AM
Yet another reason for the carb. When it gums up you can toss it, replace it and have a brand new fuel system for pennies on the dollar compared with efi.

FUJIMO
10-30-2020, 09:43 AM
Takes me 5 minutes to fill the bowl and hose? Not sure how that's slower. Yours is the book correct way. I won't argue that. But I don't need to track down any gaskets, inevitably one always tears. Fill with power tune, then continue on your day, the next day start it. Worst thing that happens is you end up doing it your way and the tune has started the cleaning process.

Not sure on the little outboards, but almost all small power equipment it's not worth the time it takes to rebuild the carb. If it comes to that it gets thrown out and replaced. Most are in the $20 dollar range.
...sounds like your in the small motor repair business of some sort?...

powerabout
10-30-2020, 10:01 AM
it all goes wrong when you put food in the fuel tank

Whaaaaat
10-30-2020, 10:07 AM
No just a sucker really. Have a hard time telling people no when they ask if I'll fix something for them.

Meant to quote fujimo

FUJIMO
10-30-2020, 10:34 AM
it all goes wrong when you put food in the fuel tank
...lol...yeah, really. what a great idea that was/is huh?:rolleyes:

home made tunnel
11-02-2020, 04:01 PM
...lol...yeah, really. what a great idea that was/is huh?:rolleyes:

I had to explain ethanol to my 66 year old father. Everytime his carubureted something-or-other would stop working, my 1st question was always "How old is this gas?" He'd ALWAYS say... "It's pretty new".
New to him was a few months old, sitting in the hot shed all summer.
I poured some brand new gas from the gas station into a semi-clear jug like what windshield washer fluid comes in. Let it sit for 2 weeks on the sidewalk and showed him how it separated to the 15% ethanol sitting on the bottom of the jug. We pulled it out, i showed him it wouldn't even light with a blowtorch on the pavement. Just oily slimey gunk. He went WOW.

home made tunnel
11-02-2020, 04:06 PM
My brand new 20hp doesn't require a battery to run. I keep one in it anyway. Makes it easy to start without giving wife of kids a black eye after dad has had a few and its time to leave the sandbar. And hands down has the best shifter/tiller on the market. Nothing else compares to the ergonomics of it.

My brand new 3.5hp is temperamental on what gas station i got the gas from. Yea, food doesn't belong in the gas tank. I'll take the high pressure EFI over a slight chance of gunking up anyday of the week.

I've never run accross a fuel injector that didn't eventually clean its self out after some runtime with fresh fuel. Direct Injection does get sooty, i'd understand those for sure.

InjectorService
11-02-2020, 05:54 PM
My brand new 20hp doesn't require a battery to run. I keep one in it anyway. Makes it easy to start without giving wife of kids a black eye after dad has had a few and its time to leave the sandbar. And hands down has the best shifter/tiller on the market. Nothing else compares to the ergonomics of it.

My brand new 3.5hp is temperamental on what gas station i got the gas from. Yea, food doesn't belong in the gas tank. I'll take the high pressure EFI over a slight chance of gunking up anyday of the week.

I've never run accross a fuel injector that didn't eventually clean its self out after some runtime with fresh fuel. Direct Injection does get sooty, i'd understand those for sure.

20 Merc? Yeah those things are damn cool. Definitely the nicest 20 out there. The handle length and location is amazing too. No more overreaching with my short arms haha.

home made tunnel
11-06-2020, 04:21 PM
20 Merc? Yeah those things are damn cool. Definitely the nicest 20 out there. The handle length and location is amazing too. No more overreaching with my short arms haha.

After reading my last post.... sounds like i'm punching my children and wife haha. I meant to say after a few beers at the sandbar and having to pullstart an engine with wife and kids in the boat, sometimes i may have hit them while pull starting the old engine lol. Nothing injury related, just laughable moments lol.

But yes, the new tiller style on the 20 merc... i'm in love with it. The shifter up on the stick reminds me of the old school jetskiis forward/reverse levers. Wicked fun to use in tight quarters.

Chaz
11-06-2020, 11:32 PM
it all goes wrong when you put food in the fuel tank

I've had a real good time with both Methanol and Ethanol ... plug the vent's after use .. no more problems .. just torque ;)

hellbents-10
11-07-2020, 08:28 AM
True we fill the pro mod full of fuel to the top and plug the vent! no Problems with methanol doing this, and the same goes for ethanol.

Chaz
11-07-2020, 12:50 PM
True we fill the pro mod full of fuel to the top and plug the vent! no Problems with methanol doing this, and the same goes for ethanol.

Hellbent .. U must be one of them "GoFastZone" guys ... ;)

Chaz= thinkin, I write like that .......... TubeCarz fella .. :D

hellbents-10
11-08-2020, 02:16 PM
Correct haha 3.75@199 with a billet LS engine! Only takes 60psi of boost to get the job done on a little 315 radial tire.

keefallan
11-08-2020, 03:58 PM
60.....that's all?...........I thought it would take 61:eek:!!!!!............as I'm pushing 15 on my street motor;)

Chaz
11-08-2020, 04:34 PM
A long way from a Chevelle with a plate .. huh ???

Miss the old days of the "Zone" .. Sure had fun .. I think we all learned a lot .. :thumbsup:
I thought you bumped your head when you made me the moderator of the nitrous forum .. :eek: :D

I remember Underdog's wife , Carol I think , was dealing with health issues .. I often wonder if he / they are OK ... :o

60 pound LS .. fuel hoops , .500 studs .. send it ... Alky --->

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Methanol, also known as methyl alcohol amongst other names, is a chemical with the formula C H 3 O H (a methyl group linked to a hydroxyl group, often abbreviated MeOH). It is a light, volatile, colourless, flammable liquid with a distinctive alcoholic odour similar to that of ethanol.



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Methanol is a simplest alcohol with a chemical formula CH 3 OH. It is not a hydrocarbon since the hydroxyl group is chemically bonded to the carbon atom. It consists of a methyl group linked with a hydroxy group. It is also known as Wood alcohol or Methyl alcohol.



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The chemical formula of Methanol is CH 3 OH. Since its chemical structure is a linkage between a methyl (–CH 3) group and a hydroxyl group (–OH), it is sometimes also written as MeOH, where Me stands for Methyl. The molecular weight (or molar mass) of Methanol is 32.04 g/mol.



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The “meth” in both substances refers to this single carbon which is saturated with hydrogen atoms. In “methanol,” this carbon is attached to an alcohol group; in “methane,” the carbon with four hydrogens stands by itself. Methanol is closely related to ethanol, or “grain alcohol.” Ethanol is the alcohol found in beer, wine, and liquor.



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Methanol is a liquid chemical with the formula CH3OH (often abbreviated MeOH). It is colorless, volatile, flammable, and poisonous. Methanol is made from the destructive distillation of wood and is chiefly synthesized from carbon monoxide and hydrogen. Its principal uses are in organic synthesis, as a fuel, solvent, and antifreeze.



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Methanol (CH 3 OH), also called methyl alcohol, wood alcohol, or wood spirit, the simplest of a long series of organic compounds called alcohols, consisting of a methyl group (CH 3) linked with a hydroxy group (OH). Methanol was formerly produced by the destructive distillation of wood.



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CAS No. 67-56-1. Methyl alcohol (CH 3 OH) is a colorless liquid with a strong odor. It is a poisonous substance that can be absorbed through the eyes, skin, lungs, and digestive system. Overexposure can cause death. Workers may be harmed by exposure to methyl alcohol.



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Menthol is an organic compound made synthetically or obtained from the oils of corn mint, peppermint, or other mints.It is a waxy, crystalline substance, clear or white in color, which is solid at room temperature and melts slightly above.






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