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noli
10-13-2019, 05:40 AM
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I'm itchin' to get started on this 24 Skater-less cat restoration

my goal here is not to do a full cap-off restore, but a rolling work restore

What I mean is, I will do a small chunk of restore work during the week, and go boating on the weekend

but since the cold weather is quickly arriving, I better get her set up for the cold winter months' storage


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noli
10-13-2019, 05:41 AM
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The trailer is practically new. The Boat was hauled from Arizona to NJ. And when it arrived in NJ, was driven a couple of times from NJ to Md

so I would say the trailer has no more than 3K miles. But that's just my calculation






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noli
10-13-2019, 05:49 AM
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wanna make the trailer sound for the trip so will replace this broken trailer jack


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mrichartz
10-13-2019, 06:01 AM
You have some work ahead of you..but aren't they all one way or another.
What are you planning on for motors?
Interior pics
Subscribed...know you will but Post lots of pics

noli
10-13-2019, 06:03 AM
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the power will not be your ordinary for these cats, and I will get shot down for this

for spring 2020, a single 200HP motor :)





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mrichartz
10-13-2019, 06:06 AM
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the power will not be your ordinary for these cats, and I will get shot down for this

for spring 2020, a single 200HP motor :)





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Why only a single?..but hell still get to go boating
Wonder how fast? Or slow
Saving up for a 450R?

noli
10-13-2019, 06:11 AM
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with the 200HP, proly hit 45MPH, yikes!


for 2021, I would like to get into 300R power, if I am lucky




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mrichartz
10-13-2019, 06:19 AM
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with the 200HP, proly hit 45MPH, yikes!


for 2021, I would like to get into 300R power, if I am lucky




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Hey 40-45 is better than sitting on land!!
Wonder if with less weight about hop and if only 45 will you be stuck in hop zone? Anybody gave an idea..

noli
10-13-2019, 06:19 AM
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will get a winch stand for this mess

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mrichartz
10-13-2019, 06:20 AM
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will get a winch stand for this mess

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noli
10-13-2019, 06:21 AM
Hey 40-45 is better than sitting on land!!
Wonder if with less weight about hop and if only 45 will you be stuck in hop zone? Anybody gave an idea..
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you hit the nail right on...


I haven't gone boating since 2001, well the kind of boating that I like, I've been grubbing off rides from friends, renting CC's , etc



so going 45 on "my" boat would be dream for me






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mrichartz
10-13-2019, 06:31 AM
Any more pics underneath deck etc?
Can't wait to see what you do to this..
Well with a single 200 if your going to use it some while working on it at least youll be a safer speeds

noli
10-13-2019, 07:14 AM
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deck pics with cockpit pics




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noli
10-14-2019, 09:36 AM
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10-14-2019, 09:37 AM
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10-14-2019, 09:37 AM
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noli
10-14-2019, 09:38 AM
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transom


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mrichartz
10-14-2019, 09:42 AM
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deck pics with cockpit pics





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This is the only pic rest are invalid

noli
10-14-2019, 09:48 AM
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all pics should be showing now?






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noli
10-14-2019, 09:52 AM
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mrichartz
10-14-2019, 09:58 AM
Yes see them now.. :D

mrichartz
10-14-2019, 09:59 AM
Well looks like it shouldn't be to hard to start ripping into it..

noli
10-14-2019, 11:03 AM
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LakeFever
10-14-2019, 02:33 PM
Cool hull, Looks like work. Speaking of which are you giving up on the stream resto?

noli
10-14-2019, 02:39 PM
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I realized that I need to go boating while the Hydro is being restored

So I will work on the Phismo (Skater-L) to get it on the water sooner

And work on the Hydro too


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Dave S
10-14-2019, 04:29 PM
To Me.... the best tool to get into a big job is a elctirc chainsaw.....don't waste time grinding..... cut the bad out..... be careful not to go too deep.....its fast and not so dusty......more chunky.

tnelsmn
10-15-2019, 02:24 PM
Fun looking boat! Looking forward to the rebuild thread, subscribed!

Merc 2.5
10-17-2019, 02:52 PM
To Me.... the best tool to get into a big job is a elctirc chainsaw.....don't waste time grinding..... cut the bad out..... be careful not to go too deep.....its fast and not so dusty......more chunky.

Ya they make a chain saw blade fir the grinder to. Watch them digits tho , no second chances haha

mrichartz
10-17-2019, 03:03 PM
Ya they make a chain saw blade fir the grinder to. Watch them digits tho , no second chances haha

He's right...Yes work really well
Especially about the fingers too

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https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F302874881394

noli
10-17-2019, 06:35 PM
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I'm so scared of that, but I will try it





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tnelsmn
10-17-2019, 07:15 PM
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I'm so scared of that, but I will try it

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Leave the guard on! But it's not as bad as it looks.

https://youtu.be/kkPXQ0d7iS0

XstreamVking
10-18-2019, 04:42 AM
I have a grinder with a variable speed on it. You don't have to turn the saw disc 10k for it to work. I find that a slower speed works better for removing wood and core. Lot safer too.

noli
10-18-2019, 06:35 AM
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I will def try it and be careful, thanks for the info guys!




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noli
10-18-2019, 06:38 AM
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got the new jack and winch,



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noli
10-18-2019, 06:38 AM
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The winch stand is coming and will move it so that its not in the way of the bow steps


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noli
10-31-2019, 08:55 PM
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A buddy said not to rent truck for hauling your boat because the insurance will become null and void, so I got another new ride

2005 Ram 1500

vehicle build here --> https://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?347309-Ram-1500-Hauling-Phismo_24-c02500wbd10312019


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noli
11-17-2019, 05:48 PM
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its interesting how the wood core shows up when its all wet



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11-17-2019, 05:49 PM
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noli
12-11-2019, 02:52 PM
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bad weather is coming

got the shrink wrap frame in place

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mrichartz
12-11-2019, 03:25 PM
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bad weather is coming

got the shrink wrap frame in place

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Damn coming? We had 14" of snow last week and I'm already sick if it... Winter over yet

noli
12-11-2019, 03:27 PM
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wow, I heard there was a storm in the northeast whilst I was in Tampa


"...oh Spring, be nimble and come quick!"



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noli
01-01-2020, 09:18 PM
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wood carving disk tools

comes in handy when removing the wood from the transom



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEyUsjAHPX8







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mrichartz
01-01-2020, 09:35 PM
Small electric chain saw works really well too if you need to reach in.

tnelsmn
01-02-2020, 01:48 AM
A Lancelot will be my goto for core removal on my next build. I used a combo of that and a Cutzall tearing mine down. Already dulled the Cutzall, at least I can keep sharping a Lancelot blade. They work well for this stuff, just be carful.

noli
01-02-2020, 05:29 AM
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ok, I see the prices are very high for the Cutzall but will be a good combo to use

here is the chainsaw-type blade for $19....comes w/ extra chain

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tnelsmn
01-04-2020, 06:44 PM
For the price of a Cutzall its kinda sad mine is dull already. It worked great and I liked the contoured grinding face. But its spendy and the fiberglass seems to dull it. If/when I build another boat I probably won't buy another one. I'll just use a Lancelot and 36g 5" grinding disks and 24g DA pads. Just my .02

LakeFever
01-05-2020, 08:41 AM
Theres some no name offshore cuts all type disks on Amz for ten bucks. Bought a few, havent tried yet

noli
03-01-2020, 06:22 AM
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noli
03-11-2020, 10:25 AM
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my cat on the left, DCB on the right

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noli
04-04-2020, 05:04 AM
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noli
04-16-2020, 03:08 PM
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wakeup sleepy head, its spring time


I towed Skater-less to my house and will try to reuse the shrink-wrap for next winter's slumber


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noli
04-16-2020, 05:16 PM
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got the shrink-wrap removed and undamaged


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noli
04-18-2020, 09:50 AM
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gonna try these sawzall demolition blades


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noli
04-20-2020, 09:55 AM
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cut the cap in half to get better access to transom and inner hull

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noli
04-20-2020, 09:56 AM
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cap half, going to storage for now

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noli
04-20-2020, 09:57 AM
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rotten transom, poor addition of secondary glass layers now delaminating

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Pepperson4
04-20-2020, 12:59 PM
what material you pln on using for transom?

noli
04-20-2020, 01:01 PM
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I'm enjoying your build Pepperson4!


this will be all composite build,

[transom]
2 sheets of 2 inch coosa on the transom, will be 4.5 inches thick when done,

[stringers]
heavy-weight foam upto 6 feet forward of transom, transitioning to lighter foam all the way to bow

[hull-sides and tunnel-sides]
light-weight foam on the sides and cap


[laminates]
intertwined carbon-kevlar

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Pepperson4
04-20-2020, 02:30 PM
very nice. my transom was done in ply but it was 3" thick of wood lone so probably 3.5' thick when done, cant be tooo strong!

kbirdmon
05-11-2020, 02:05 PM
Just saw this outside by the Delaware river like two weeks ago tops?

noli
05-21-2020, 09:21 AM
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Day 1 transom removal (port side)

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noli
05-21-2020, 07:13 PM
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noli
05-21-2020, 07:22 PM
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made cuts with circular saw, then use crow bar to break off large chunks

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noli
05-21-2020, 07:24 PM
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noli
05-24-2020, 07:29 PM
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This tool works great, but I'm still scared of it --> #50 (https://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?346952-noli_phismo_c04500wbd10122019&p=3181537#post3181537)

the remaining wood is very thin and will be removed using big grain sand paper to expose the fiberglass

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LakeFever
05-25-2020, 10:16 AM
Yep them things can get grabby and talk your arms for a ride. Looking good

noli
05-25-2020, 04:06 PM
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...did about 1 hour of sanding today is all I had, gotta start the barbecues :)

the port side is pure glass now, the stbd side will need grinding with the chain-saw wheel, then sanding
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noli
07-22-2020, 06:43 AM
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had to install a new tube on the vacuum chamber in order to catch resin from going into vacuum pump





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07-22-2020, 06:44 AM
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noli
07-22-2020, 07:14 AM
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vacuum drop test on newly added resin-catch tube


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noli
07-27-2020, 06:11 AM
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Vacuum test of the vacuum chamber is complete

with the hoses disconnected from the vacuum pump, and vacuum leaks plugged, a vacuum of -27.5 inches Hg has been maintained for over eight hours


next test: resin infuse laminates with cores

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noli
07-31-2020, 07:19 PM
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two parts for resin infusion


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noli
08-17-2020, 03:45 PM
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has anyone tried pre-wetted fiberglass cloth then vacuum bagging (not infusion) the transom core (ex. coosa) with the vacuum bag folded over the outside of the transom ?







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noli
09-28-2020, 08:35 AM
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I put supports to lift cap and hull side to square-up the hull


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noli
10-11-2020, 01:41 PM
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for testing purposes, took 2 small areas for the removal of delaminated fiberglass.


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noli
10-11-2020, 01:42 PM
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after removing the loose delaminated glass, then sanding back to solid adhesion

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XstreamVking
10-11-2020, 04:04 PM
I hate glassing over roving. I don't trust it's adhesion to the laminate after it has been flexed. Same thing with uni directional. Once you cut the strands grinding, it weakens the whole thing. But you can see what I can't.

noli
10-11-2020, 05:40 PM
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What if I use epoxy?

Would the mechanical bond to roving be stronger?

I also plan to vacuum bag the new laminates.


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XstreamVking
10-11-2020, 06:38 PM
Epoxy best, but vinyl is good too. Working time is real difference. Either with vac bag is good. Gets resin all thru old glass. Just investigate real good all the areas to be glassed over. Not saying it won't stick. Just that heavy fibers tend to be the ones that seperate. Less able to flex. That looks like 24 oz roving. Has mat under and between?

noli
10-11-2020, 06:52 PM
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someone put a second laminate covering over the original roving (blue color). That second laminate is what is delaminating at certain areas.

This second laminate has mat under it.


I will investigate by doing test areas with vacuum bagging to see how well it adheres or will my test not prove anything (and over time it will delaminate)?




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XstreamVking
10-11-2020, 07:17 PM
I hate to say it but you may find that the overlayment may have to be removed. I dunno. A test area is not a bad idea. Pick an area you think is good, and try it. I see a good bit of iffy glass. The original laminate should be good quality?

noli
10-11-2020, 07:35 PM
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the overlayment is strong for most of the hull. I tried to rip off pieces at certain areas and I swear I'd probably rip a hole in the hull.

There are multiple weak areas though where the overlayment is delaminating or will delaminate with little pulling force. These are the areas I wish to concentrate on to remove the weak "bond" of the overlayment. And leave the areas alone where the bond to the overlayment is strong.


After I remove the weak-bond areas of the overlayment, what do you recommend I do before applying the foam core?






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noli
10-12-2020, 06:43 AM
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found a nice article on secondary bonding to woven roving

https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/secondary-bonding-to-roven-woving.55294/








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noli
10-12-2020, 07:22 AM
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here's a nice paper on sandwich composite panel joints...the butt joint is plenty strong!


https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1099636218792676







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noli
10-12-2020, 07:53 AM
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here's a nice paper on secondary bonding procedures (adding new laminates on top of say, woven roving)

Note: this link is a PDF download link

guide to composites - Guritwww.gurit.com › media › Gurit › Datasheets › guide-to-c... (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj7rs3Xh6_sAhVxU98KHZt_A8cQFjADegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gurit.com%2F-%2Fmedia%2FGurit%2FDatasheets%2Fguide-to-composites.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0I4iUcAlXzhgQzgI24vcVw)






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starviper10
10-19-2020, 08:36 AM
Figured I'd share this resto link since you mentioned wet fiberglass vacuum bag laminations. Check out posts 529, 532, 533, and 611.

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/project-stresseliminator-restomod-23-daytona.155360/page-11

noli
12-27-2020, 09:09 AM
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She got shrink wrapped for winter 2020 ~ 2021


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HydroSkreamin
01-28-2021, 06:25 PM
Figured I'd share this resto link since you mentioned wet fiberglass vacuum bag laminations. Check out posts 529, 532, 533, and 611.

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/project-stresseliminator-restomod-23-daytona.155360/page-11

Hey, that's my boat!!:D

noli
02-20-2021, 08:27 PM
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all covered in snow...c'mon 40 degree weather....arriving in 2 weeks!



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NAVISPEED1
03-29-2021, 11:29 AM
Subscribed

noli
04-21-2021, 01:34 PM
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back to the grind in 2021...wooohooo



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noli
04-21-2021, 01:35 PM
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mrichartz
04-21-2021, 01:48 PM
So what are you doing keeping it or???

noli
04-21-2021, 02:13 PM
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I'll keep working on her till she sells

OR

complete the rebuild, put an engine in the back and keep her ....muhahaha


hopefully the latter...









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noli
04-24-2021, 09:05 PM
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I did some work on the transom today. I want to cleanup the transom core placement and around 10 inches forward of the transom for a clean surface for fiberglas to bite on



first, remove this lip remaining from the transom core removal


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noli
04-24-2021, 09:07 PM
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done removing the lip


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noli
04-24-2021, 09:08 PM
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removed some delaminated glass in front of the transom




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04-24-2021, 09:13 PM
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noli
04-25-2021, 10:41 AM
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This is what a 4" transom would measure out to be .. my plans for coosa transom


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noli
04-25-2021, 10:41 AM
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gonna be a thick transom, but lightweight and strong ..


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XstreamVking
04-25-2021, 11:08 AM
Plenty sturdy for sure noli. Good start, I always start at the trans. and go fwd.

noli
04-29-2021, 12:42 PM
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continuing on with delamination removal along the transom tunnel

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04-29-2021, 12:43 PM
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CUDA
04-29-2021, 07:21 PM
Have you ever taken a ride in a 24 Skater?

Back In the mid 90's I went to Ft Lauderdale looking to buy a 24 with 2.4 Bridgeports

I was doing ok till he put it in a turn at 40 mph... It scared the chit out of me because the way they lean out and we were in a 3 foot chop

I could not get over the lean out, so I passed, that's why we wanted to make it wider and add a pod for center motor protection.

A good driver can deal with the porpoise with a slight turn and full throttles but no getting away from the lean out roll over feel.

What does you Hydrostream project need did you cut that one up?

noli
04-29-2021, 07:27 PM
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never rode in a Skater 24, I understand it can be a handful


https://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?336360-noli_hydrostream_c00500wbd06032018


the boat is still yours to purchase, but you have to pay the full amount (not partial payments) and ready to drive it away, otherwise the yard keeps charging me storage fees


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JPEROG
04-29-2021, 08:05 PM
Noli,

That is a liberator hull correct?

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CUDA
04-29-2021, 08:13 PM
I really liked the way the wide body Hellkat finished the transom area with the extension and dropping the line.

noli
04-29-2021, 08:29 PM
Noli,

That is a liberator hull correct?

Joe


I was told that the Pismo 24, built in Cali was from a 24 Skater.


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JPEROG
04-29-2021, 10:18 PM
Yes, there were a lot of splash/copies--motion, liberator, predator, lightning, etc...

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noli
05-01-2021, 05:32 PM
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05-01-2021, 05:33 PM
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noli
05-07-2021, 11:19 AM
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I started grinding the transom some more and found more delamination

Anyone know what resin is being used here? I think it's a bluish/greenish color


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noli
05-07-2021, 11:19 AM
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I put a small piece of 2by4 to show delamination

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XstreamVking
05-07-2021, 11:55 AM
The blue green is just a dye added to show air pockets. The resin was prob a general purpose or a low profile laminating resin. I would reglass with vinylester resin for a good bond.

noli
05-07-2021, 05:52 PM
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took a wooden wedge and removed the delamination on the transom

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noli
05-07-2021, 05:53 PM
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done removing

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noli
05-10-2021, 12:23 PM
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cleaning up the tunnel-to-transom corner

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Mark Poole ModVP
05-11-2021, 11:21 AM
I saw early in the thread you are going with a single engine. Cats don't like a single in the middle. Might want to consider twins even of they are smaller....like 150's.