Starting a new 22 Liberator today

[WILDMAN]

I sold all the 21 and 22ft Liberators I had in stock. I got this new one a couple weeks ago. Now that I'm caught up on all the other boats, I'm starting this one today. I got the windshield fitted and all the holes cut today. It will get a Garmin screen to show the engine info. I'm not sure yet wether I'll put a 300R or 400R on it.

[stokernick]

Ole Yeller !!!

[SS Minnow]

When will the first 450R go on one?

[WILDMAN]

They probably won't be in until after the first of the year

[stokernick]

amazing how they can roll out the 450 on various hulls ,promoting the new product only available to the deep pockets !!

[WILDMAN]

I got the boat off the trailer so I can paint it. I weighed it. Bare hull weighs 1054 lbs.

[specboatops]

Love the newer style windshield - makes a world of difference, sleeker looking...

[JPEROG]

Gonna have a runner....

Joe

[stokernick]

Love the newer style windshield - makes a world of difference, sleeker looking... Yo , Spec , $1000 Stoker out in Sacremento, project , but doable !!

[specboatops]

Probably a Rat-that needs more work than I care to put in - Nice one are harder to find or too $$$$

[WILDMAN]

I have a new 450R coming next week so it will go on this boat.

[fast1200gp]

what will the approx price be on that boat w 450R

[AZMIDLYF]

443045

You're Gonna Need A Bigger Prop...:D

[home made tunnel]

what will the approx price be on that boat w 450R

More than I can afford, pal. (Ferrari Driver)

[WILDMAN]

$74,900 with a 300R, but $104,900 with the 450R. I know it's crazy, but someone has to do it. The California cats the same size were over $100k with a 300xs.



what will the approx price be on that boat w 450R

[WILDMAN]

Been taping and painting this week. Black is on. Next comes silver marble.

[stoker2001]

Looking good,cant wait to hear the performance #s on the 450,the acceleration has to be intense!$30K upgrade from 300 is a tough pill to swallow tho..

[capteliminator]

This project is gonna be awesome. Cant wait to see vid of you running it. Agree, the torque has to be intense!!

[WILDMAN]

I finished the paint yesterday. I will untape it today. I don't have a go Pro. I usually have one hand on the wheel and the camera in the other. Not sure how that's going to work at 130 mph!

[JPEROG]

I will take video from another boat we have cameras for the inside as well.

Joe

[TraceF3]

Love the newer style windshield - makes a world of difference, sleeker looking...

ME TOO! Can you put one of those on my 21 Randy?

[Double Rigged]

He better wear some safety gear and a helmet with a kill switch

[WILDMAN]

Paint is done. I'll start rigging next week.

[WILDMAN]

Just got the new PORTA Race bracket mounted today. This thing will hold an elephant. Just what I need for fine tuning the height on the new 450R 22 Liberator

[Beak Boater]

Nice......your going to need a bigger lake. lol

[blkmtrfan]

Just awesome, can't wait for your testing of the 450R!

[AZMIDLYF]

Are yo going to be moving any static weight around due to the added 450R girth?

[PlumCrazy]

I finished the paint yesterday. I will untape it today. I don't have a go Pro. I usually have one hand on the wheel and the camera in the other. Not sure how that's going to work at 130 mph!

Get a Seasucker with a GoPro mount.

[WILDMAN]

I had a paint correction job done on the boat while I was out of town this week. Unbelievable shine! I put the boat back on the trailer today and put the 450R on.

[blkmtrfan]

Very cool! In pic #4 is that factory steering?

[WILDMAN]

Very cool! In pic #4 is that factory steering?

It's the factory ram. I will use the Seastar power assist instead of the Verado power steering. It cost a little more but I can use custom hub and it does not run full time like the Verado pump. I can also use the Seastar Pro trim levers. Gotta keep both hands on the wheel ya know!

[AZMIDLYF]

Will you be moving any weight/rigging forward to compensate for the extra heft of the 450R? Throttle body for each bank of cylinders?
Porta bracket looks crazy on there. :thumbsup:

[JPEROG]

Anyone that has used the Porta brackets know that they are bullet proof, absolutely functional for changes on the fly and should get used going into every turn. I will never own another tunnel without one.

Joe

[mjw930]

Anyone that has used the Porta brackets know that they are bullet proof, absolutely functional for changes on the fly and should get used going into every turn. I will never own another tunnel without one.

Joe

What do you guys do the a height gauge on the Porta Bracket? I saw these on Paul’s boat, they are very impressive and Porta is very proud of them $$$$ :D

[WILDMAN]

Adjust the height according to water pressure

[JPEROG]

I have mine set up on a dash gauge. I know my high point and don't go past it. When its rough or I am going into turn I drop the motor.

Joe

[WILDMAN]

Finally getting back to rigging the 450 boat. Hope to have it done by the end of next week. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-JWcQ-RzvnPAwpONAXwCMfeyFoMGqvVeBKUDg-QzSyDY6XTJ5m0B6xYlTf-CHiebPwMXn0xY3wy9h56LWuJrXbw/messages/@.id==AFPk7KF74bKZXUIfQgyK8N9ER6M/content/parts/@.id==2/thumbnail?appId=YMailNorrin&downloadWhenThumbnailFails=true&pid=2

[JPEROG]

Finally getting back to rigging the 450 boat. Hope to have it done by the end of next week. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-JWcQ-RzvnPAwpONAXwCMfeyFoMGqvVeBKUDg-QzSyDY6XTJ5m0B6xYlTf-CHiebPwMXn0xY3wy9h56LWuJrXbw/messages/@.id==AFPk7KF74bKZXUIfQgyK8N9ER6M/content/parts/@.id==2/thumbnail?appId=YMailNorrin&downloadWhenThumbnailFails=true&pid=2

Are you thinking the river, Diaz or the test pond?

Joe

[WILDMAN]

Gotta be Diaz so I don't end up in the woods!

[mjw930]

I used Diaz for the first couple runs with the Talon but alternated with Crescent Lake. The county ramp is great and if you’re early, the run south towards dead lake is usually flat and during the week the lake is empty. Also lots of room if you need to get past break in hours. Dead lake looks like a perfect testing lake but the fish camp ramp can get busy.

Just saying, you already need a bigger boat and perhaps a bigger lake :D

[WILDMAN]

Crescent Lake is 60 miles from me. Diaz is 32. It's 2.5 miles long. Plenty of space. The 300R hits top end in about 1/2 mile at 113.

[mjw930]

Understood, it’s closer for me. Watch out on the south shore of Diaz, there are some shallows that aren’t obvious.

[WILDMAN]

At those speeds, all I need is 8 inches for the skeg!

[gotboostedvr6]

There's a guy here in New Jersey that runs a 21 liberator on the Delaware. I've seen him run over silt/mud flats that only held a few inches of water. His rooster tail goes black.

[mjw930]

That’s one way to sand blast your prop (and your water pump.....)

[kellytheaker]

Looking forward to the results - these threads are like receiving Hot Boat Magazine . The rigging and attention to detail - colour schemes is what I enjoy . Keep up the great work - and just a great guy to deal with.

[WILDMAN]

Trying to get all the wiring done. I should be getting the motor set up at my dealer later this week. Then I can finish it up.

[WILDMAN]

The 450 boat is going to my dealer Friday to get set up on his laptop. It's getting there! I got my yellow decals on.

[eli]

cool looking with 450 on it, few more years it will say 600

[Scream And Fly]

I love the colors! As always, incredible work Randy!

[WILDMAN]

Finally got the 450R running. What a pain. It needed so many harnesses and downloads to get everything to work. All running now. Look at how the mid in reinforced. That's where the weigh comes from. Totally different from the 400R. Should have it on the water next week.



VIDEO HERE:

https://youtu.be/xGsN5HZCTEQ


(https://youtu.be/xGsN5HZCTEQ)

[Scream And Fly]

That thing sounds insane!

[eli]

Sounds like a big block

[WILDMAN]

Finally got the last harness today. Trial run will be tomorrow.

[mjw930]

I’d be curious which harnesses you needed. DTS is a cluster f***.

[WILDMAN]

Seven Harnesses total. The 450 is different from everything else.

[RSWORDS]

Seven Harnesses total. The 450 is different from everything else.

Yeah I heard they moved some stuff from under th cowl to free up room

[Top Toy]

Yeah I heard they moved some stuff from under th cowl to free up room

Are they all factory harnesses or some custom?

[RSWORDS]

Are they all factory harnesses or some custom?

Factory, just different

[kellytheaker]

Time consuming ! Nice and tidy on the install - I'm surprised at how fast you can be or so it seems sitting here and reading the thread . Thanks for the update.

[KingOfBeers]

The suspense is killing me....

How. Fast. Is. She. :D

[WILDMAN]

Well, I ran it with the 34" prop. It was very windy so I had to keep backing out of it. I got it to the limiter at 120 but the GPS locked in 119. Short video will follow. Kind of hard driving with one hand in choppy water though.

[Top Toy]

Well, I ran it with the 34" prop. It was very windy so I had to keep backing out of it. I got it to the limiter at 120 but the GPS locked in 119. Short video will follow. Kind of hard driving with one hand in choppy water though.

Guessing you'll be on the limiter even with a 37" prop.

[WILDMAN]

I'll have a 38" next week. I'll need a calm day to wring it out. Here's a short video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuviceuhzEo

[AZMIDLYF]

Acceleration had to be ridiculous though...:eek:

[Top Toy]

I'll have a 38" next week. I'll need a calm day to wring it out. Here's a short video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuviceuhzEo

How is low speed handling? Does the extra weight hurt it? Using a 12" set back?

[WILDMAN]

https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69016928_2791736754187515_7103738515875168256_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQmn8Zgs8J3M_VmOXbhGX1uqRt2PysEHB9wn2RFhgadBmBhtWrK8mKCdxnCo9xtCLm0&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpa1-1.fna&oh=dbcd9ada6ac2143a5816cb5a5cc01594&oe=5DE5D47D

[AZMIDLYF]

Nice office....:D

[Sutphil]

Doesn't look like it's going to sink.:cheers:

[WILDMAN]

The handling at any speed is no different. The Verado mid has about 4-5" more setback built in. I used an 8" bracket on this one.



How is low speed handling? Does the extra weight hurt it? Using a 12" set back?

[Greg G]

Lot of work there for sure

[WILDMAN]

Ran some non-cleaver props today which seem to settle it down. I did run the 34 Cleaver again though and it seems to be easier to drive now. I guess I'm just getting the hang of it. I had it to 123 today. close to 3% slip now!

[WILDMAN]

I ran the 22 Liberator again today and my buddy Steve Bishop had his Go Pro. Ran 123 with a Hill 34" x 15.25 five blade cleaver. The new Porta Race bracket sure helped alot wkile trying to get the best top speed. Amazing how strong they are while holding this 450hp motor. The motor was on the rev limiter at 6450 rpm, so I have a bigger one on order. Here's a short video of an acceleration run.

https://www.facebook.com/100007518071624/videos/2234429416817639/

[luv2gofast]

I ran the 22 Liberator again today and my buddy Steve Bishop had his Go Pro. Ran 123 with a Hill 34" x 15.25 five blade cleaver. The new Porta Race bracket sure helped alot wkile trying to get the best top speed. Amazing how strong they are while holding this 450hp motor. The motor was on the rev limiter at 6450 rpm, so I have a bigger one on order. Here's a short video of an acceleration run.

https://www.facebook.com/100007518071624/videos/2234429416817639/

Great shot Randy! Love the acceleration, 15 sec plane to 100!

What camera and mount did you use?

[Greg G]

Christ that Porta Bracket did not show ANY movement in the video. Amazing.

[WILDMAN]

It's amazing how strong and sensitive the bracket is. Rated for up to 750HP. Just the lightest bump picks up speed alot. I've noticed with these bigger sportmasters that just an extra 1/8" can run you out of water pressure. I have also seen that when running into a 1ft chop I can have 30 lbs pressure, but just turning around and running with the chop, the pressure can drop to 5 lbs. It must be the fact that the water pickups are so much further back on the new cases. That's when the Porta bracket is worth what it cost! You get what you pay for!

[WILDMAN]

Hill cleaver kicks as! 3% slip at 123! https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69356873_2237779019816012_7100979214135853056_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_eui2=AeGwo-zrPgJ6RzKqAV3ofQ_t9yUOAccSR-7Rmwidy65OGrHXXRyxe9jP3KxAWvi2MtZUWKbvO2eviG4CRlqpB0O2YXUEUzRC7DNY_OD84fj1tQ&_nc_oc=AQn-d4fk2t9EchAhMzkqYLgryUXyShld5l1_utTAIqI37Ce1qn1jEw66YeuC2YX5OM8&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpa1-2.fna&oh=3d5f4c7ea3e40f75262f61740df65dd7&oe=5E0582B2

[Top Toy]

Love this butt pic! I notice that you're not running trim tabs on this one. Pros and cons of trim tabs on these 21/22's? Also, can you post pics of the high flow cowl you're running?

[WILDMAN]

No cons on the tabs. They are on there for any porpoise than sometimes occurs in calm water. The 450 accelerates so fast though that zone, that I thought I'd try without them. The 300R accelerates through it too. Usually 62-75 mph. Here's the ram air cowl in primer. We should have them available soon.

[Top Toy]

Thanks for the tips on the tabs!

Good looking cowl! Any plans for testing one on a 300R to see if it offers any benefit there?

[Robby321]

No cons on the tabs. They are on there for any porpoise than sometimes occurs in calm water. The 450 accelerates so fast though that zone, that I thought I'd try without them. The 300R accelerates through it too. Usually 62-75 mph. Here's the ram air cowl in primer. We should have them available soon.

Cowl is fantastic!

[eli]

That prop is better looking than a women’s bare azz

[AZMIDLYF]

447771

[RSWORDS]

You running G3 and monitoring demand and demand linear while prop testing? The computer will start pulling throttle at max rated RPM to keep the motor from getting to the rev limiter kick in point. You never even notice or feel it.

[Trimmed Out15]

No cons on the tabs. They are on there for any porpoise than sometimes occurs in calm water. The 450 accelerates so fast though that zone, that I thought I'd try without them. The 300R accelerates through it too. Usually 62-75 mph. Here's the ram air cowl in primer. We should have them available soon.

Will these cowls help a 300R also or only the 450 bc of the SC? Have you tried one on a 300R?

[WILDMAN]

Steve runs on on his 300R Bullet and says it helps there too.

[TraceF3]

You running G3 and monitoring demand and demand linear while prop testing? The computer will start pulling throttle at max rated RPM to keep the motor from getting to the rev limiter kick in point. You never even notice or feel it.


THAT'S WHAT I SAID!

LOL Randy!

[WILDMAN]

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