What has happened to this site??

[bill mason]

It has been years since I posted on this site. In the "old days" if help was requested on an engine problem a bunch of guys were kind enough to jump in and assist. Are the old timers not on here any longer or has something just changed? Been checkin in on here since 99. Still best, and only site for boating enthusiasts.

[FMP]

Everyone runs Etecs, it's like the Maytag repair man commercials , nothing ever goes wrong?

[XstreamVking]

I don't see a lot of posters asking for help and not getting it. We also have single digit posters asking questions, and then not responding when members respond. That is frustrating... Wastes peoples time...Sometimes guys ask questions that really have no definite way of being answered. The new motors are getting tough to be diagnosed w/o a scan tool hooked up and running a code scan.

[Hot Shot Merc]

Facebook :rolleyes:. Its like what walmart did to the mom and pop shops across america. People get a lil bit of all their interests on FB now so why come here when all the content they need in a persons particular hobby's or interests are on that site now. I agree that things have changed. For example,hot boat gatherings are being posted here fewer and fewer. A couple weeks ago there was a hot boat gathering in Palatcka florida and there was no thread here about it with after pics etc. Also Full Throttle Power boats designed and is now producing a new model of outboard drag boat that most including myself had no idea existed until a few days ago when pics were posted from Jasper races. In years past there would have been pages and pages of talk prior to and after a gathering in Palatka and the new design from Jack would have been discussed as well but was not. Its a shame but im just glad SF is still here :thumbsup:

[Da Bull]

I agree with you Rob.

Bill Mason, I read your thread and it looks like you are getting plenty of help. Anyhow, Check your flywheel.

[CUDA]

Facebook is aggravating, I just joined so I could read other's stuff and I keep on getting friend request, I'm getting off this weekend I hate all the BS.

I guess people don't have lives of their own.

I haven't friended anyone, incognito.

[HStream1]

You ask this question yet you yourself admit you havent posted on this site in YEARS??????? Then question what has happened to this site??? Did I miss something here??? As far as the old timers well they got tired of people asking for help then get smacked in the face by someone that asked the question then all of a sudden they dont agree or POOF they know more than a seasoned person does.??? Dont respond back or turn it into a well Google says this and this site said that etc etc etc.


It has been years since I posted on this site. In the "old days" if help was requested on an engine problem a bunch of guys were kind enough to jump in and assist. Are the old timers not on here any longer or has something just changed? Been checkin in on here since 99. Still best, and only site for boating enthusiasts.

[Merc 2.5]

I haven't been a member long enough to know about the early yrs of s&f ,but I absolutely love this place and 95% of the guys that post are what I call regulars and are glad to help anyone. But when that guy that has 1 post askin about a prob and you possibly fix it over the internet then poof, they gone. As I'm not the most knowledgable on here but by no means a rookie, I'll try answer anyone's ? Then again if I'm not sure of the question. I rather not answer then lead the fellow Into possibly tearing his motor up. Like xstream said pretty much. This is the best boating site on the net!! You could go ask a question on another certain site and just get told ur posting n wrong fourm or wont help without a serial # thought I just needed put my .02 in on this one as I believe lots of folks feel same way as me !!!

[Merc 2.5]

It has been years since I posted on this site. In the "old days" if help was requested on an engine problem a bunch of guys were kind enough to jump in and assist. Are the old timers not on here any longer or has something just changed? Been checkin in on here since 99. Still best, and only site for boating enthusiasts.

I think I did mention that this is the BEST.... boating site on the ole innerwebs , I dnt do Facebook so wouldn't know what's on there but this is my Facebook. (What my wife tells me anyway) great group tite nit guys I think , 98% of people asking for help gets it within a hour. To finalize this up ... what's happened is this site has growed and got bigger and better over the years :cheers:

[NICE PAIR]

I think I did mention that this is the BEST.... boating site on the ole innerwebs , I dnt do Facebook so wouldn't know what's on there but this is my Facebook. (What my wife tells me anyway) great group tite nit guys I think , 98% of people asking for help gets it within a hour. To finalize this up ... what's happened is this site has growed and got bigger and better over the years :cheers:

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[bill mason]

No clue what you are talking about “goggle this or that”. I may have not posted for sometime but have looked at posts everyday for almost TWENTY YEARS. Sorry I ruffled your hair. Simple question and you answered it although a little rough. Might want to look at my last sentence before you go off the edge. Thanks to those that have posted trying to assist me. I’m not one of those who thinks they know more than guys trying to help. If that was true I wouldn’t have asked for help in the first place. I’ll go back to just lookin from a distance.

[NICE PAIR]

No clue what you are talking about “goggle this or that”. I may have not posted for sometime but have looked at posts everyday for almost TWENTY YEARS. Sorry I ruffled your hair. Simple question and you answered it although a little rough. Might want to look at my last sentence before you go off the edge. Thanks to those that have posted trying to assist me. I’m not one of those who thinks they know more than guys trying to help. If that was true I wouldn’t have asked for help in the first place. I’ll go back to just lookin from a distance.

You've been around here too long for that, hang your hat up and stay for a while. :thumbsup: ............ Y'all

[Merc 2.5]

I think everything is good ! I also do believe that a few of us are a little defensive over the site! Then again opinions r like assholes , everyone has 1 and most of em stink! My feathers aren't ruffled at all but I do honestly believe this is still a great site and if someone needs help 9/10 times sumbody gonna b there with a reply. I'm not replying to ruffle feathers either. This is just my opinion on this site . This site hands out tens of thousands of $ worth of info and tech tips that the normal Joe blow would never know nething about. I've learned Tons and tons of stuff here. Well let me ask. Did you happen to have a prob and ask a question and didnt get a respond?

[patchesII]

Also Full Throttle Power boats designed and is now producing a new model of outboard drag boat that most including myself had no idea existed until a few days ago when pics were posted from Jasper races. In years past there would have been pages and pages of talk prior to and after a gathering in Palatka and the new design from Jack would have been discussed as well but was not.

Jack’s boat has been known about in the drag racing world for a while now. For whatever reason outboard drag racing doesn’t get much attention around here, certainly not like 10 or 15 years ago.

[Dave S]

S+F kinda went quiet in a long slow way. No fault of Gregs. Just the world in whole got worse. The economy got bad last 10 years. People started selling their boats,,,, that I would never thought they would sell. Bad storms, floods and wild fires. E bay died also.... sales are slow. Then people die...... and young bunch don't have the funds or intrest.......Just My imo....

[Gordon02]

We are losing those members and "can do" generation participants. I blame it on my son's generation and the one behind him (He's 39). I sometimes ask myself if I've done a "good or great job". He was born in an air-conditioned hospital, never spent a night in a house without air-conditioning, color TV's (with remotes), Atari games, then Game Boys, by the time he was a teenager, his own cell phone, then at 16 - his own truck. He has never had to fix/repair his own motorcycle, ATV, or automobile. When he needed something, he could find it on-line and UPS would deliver in 3-4 days. If it broke, "Dad would you help me" or take it to a shop for repairs.

His and many of the generation behind him just don't have the will or knowledge to give advice. Not all, but more and more. I design and own my own Motorcycle/ATV tool manufacturing company. As the years go by, it becomes clearer that the median age of my customer base goes up. The "new riders" will lay down $600~$800 for the latest helmet, $1,000 for a new exhaust system (even if they can't ride near the capacity of the bike), yet you cannot sell them a tool kit. They don't know how to use it because they never had to learn it like we did. They'll quickly tell you how many companies they can find on-line and nearby that will come pick the bike up and take it for repairs -it's not the world I grew up in.

I've been here for 20 years also. I don't remember my first username, so I came back a few years ago with a new sign-in username.

I love this place. My questions on building my 2.0 Liter were met with nearly 100 replies. The guys have "been there, done that" and the delivered in spades. Rock and dozens of others filled my thread with great and valuable information along with other threads filled with photos and tips. This site has given me 10 times what I've put into it! Thanks to all those "Good Guys" that reside here..

Gordon

[JBS]

It's still a great site.I do miss the old guys chiming in though.

[LakeFever]

This site is awesome! Got loads of good info and tons of help when I needed it with my boat. I try and offer some tech input here and there when I have something good to offer. Lately mostly been playing around shootin breeze about this that and the other seeing as my boatn season is done for the year. Its a very interesting time to be alive, us people are learning plenty each and every day

[Greg G]

Even if some of the old guys with truckloads of knowledge have declined, I still think this site is by far the best for OB discussion. I'd also say that Facebonk is not for the folks who want a real discussion. Good for shooting the chit, but not S+F by a long shot.

[Markus]

We are losing those members and "can do" generation participants. I blame it on my son's generation and the one behind him (He's 39). I sometimes ask myself if I've done a "good or great job". He was born in an air-conditioned hospital, never spent a night in a house without air-conditioning, color TV's (with remotes)

Alabama isn’t what it used to be, huh?

:D

[Markus]

It has been years since I posted on this site. In the "old days" if help was requested on an engine problem a bunch of guys were kind enough to jump in and assist. Are the old timers not on here any longer or has something just changed? Been checkin in on here since 99. Still best, and only site for boating enthusiasts.


Some of them are no longer here.

Some of them just got fed up with trying to explain how to properly diagnose an engine (Step 1: is it spark or fuel? Step 2: which cylinder is affected? Step 3: does it move from one cylinder to another when you move a certain part...) to guys who just want to waste their money and time by swapping parts at random.

[Tom Foley]

I still enjoy the site very much ! Just because you don't see it here doesn't mean it doesn't exist . The Facebook pages out there have become very specific in some cases with respect to the topic of enthusiasm . I enjoy the Facebook coverage out there as well .

[Scream And Fly]

Oh no, not another one of these posts... :nonod: :leaving:

I only have one answer for now, and for all-time: Life changes, people change, people come and go, and life goes on. I am a member of many message forums for cars and other things, and some of them I have not posted on in a while. But that has nothing to do with anything on those sites that drove me away.

Why must it always be attributed to a failure of this site? This site is a community of people helping people - there is no one single authority that creates and distills content here. If something seems different and if members perceive that as a negative effect, then the proactive members that care enough to take active steps to help it will ultimately determine the trajectory of this site. This site belongs to all of us. It's up to all of us to maintain it. If there's an issue, please contact me and let's fix it. Many members here will attest to the fact that I will contact anybody to work out disagreements and other issues.

And then there's this:


Some of them just got fed up with trying to explain how to properly diagnose an engine (Step 1: is it spark or fuel? Step 2: which cylinder is affected? Step 3: does it move from one cylinder to another when you move a certain part...) to guys who just want to waste their money and time by swapping parts at random.

Says who? Are we all expecting a community of robots that just acts all submissively? I understand that some people can grate on others. There's no such thing as any forum or community that does not have this happening. If somebody takes time to follow other interests or has other things in life occupying their time, again, it's somehow seen as a failure on the part of S&F. I won't blindly and ignorantly say that nobody leaves the site because of a specific issue with somebody or some reason, but I also don't see the above reasoning to be a universal answer to why the average post counts of a member might be lower than usual.

There's no such thing as an online community - be it here, Facebook or wherever - where there will be no disagreements and friction between members. I believe the community of members here to be one of the most helpful and well-mannered of all online forums. Nobody is "fed up" to any serious degree, and believe me, in nearly all cases, if there's such an issue, they contact me. Most members that care enough to have invested a great deal of time here do so because of a love for boating and sharing their experiences. That love of boating and camaraderie will almost always transcend member-specific annoyances, and they'll usually care enough to contact me if there are issues concerning them.

I have absolutely no problem at all with people noting changes - that's part of the site, and I've always been guided on this site by the thoughts of all of you. But I also feel that the "what happened to the site" threads just do not contribute in any way whatsoever to helping the site. After all, this site is about its members, never about one person. How about, "let's try to do this..." or something similar if there's an area needing improvement?

Finally, just because some people are not regularly posting, that doesn't mean they're not on the site.:smiletest:

Greg

[Dave S]

There is nothing wrong with the site......I would miss it if it were not here....Thanks Greg.

[CircleHook]

Every morning- I pour a cup of coffee and log in to S & F - nice way to start my day!

[LakeFever]

Crowds and trends come and go. Top tech and resource info lasts forever!

[KIRCHNER]

I Think the young bunch are using SF as it is facebook. its the generation. i dont see the need to bring any personal issues or possessions. lets stick to real boating info and support. i read some stupid questions but were all not perfect. some posts dont even make sense. we were all kids once. its nice to be nice. if i have nothing good to say i dont say anything my2cts.

[KIRCHNER]

It's still a great site.I do miss the old guys chiming in though.
hey, im an old guy. i chime in! when i read the posts i reminds me of myself 40 years ago. my dad is long gone now but i remember his famous words, about my cars & boats, [Son, you just cant leave it alone can you... and back into the garage i went. yesterday i told my son, just leave it alone. he was messin -up his glastron decals. now hes sorry, boat looks weird now. what do i know, dont have a smart phone. lol...ART

[Captaincj]

I love this site. Not that anyone asked me.

Christopher Johnson

[JBS]

I'm an old guy too.Found the site a while back,and it rekindled the spark for speed. Back in the 80s it was Allison's,then I went fishing for years in the Paramount.
Picked up a V21 a few years back and couldn't be happier.
Got a lot of help from guys on this site over the years.So thank you! BTW---Facebook does not do it for me,just my 2 cents.

[Cervelo777]

Just to offer my perspective. I have been reading Scream and fly everyday for 3 years. I often times think that I might have an idea about how to fix a problem, but know that there are a core group of people who really know their stuff. I only know a little about my 2.5 Mercury. Many times I find myself trying to post, and realize that I am just doing it to prove to myself that I have something to offer, and realize I really don't have enough experience to offer a thought. I read Bills question about his 280 and would have liked to propose some thoughts but knew that there was another person, on the site, who has most likely, has a 280 and may have had a similair issue. I know Bill has had a renewed interest, in Hi-Po boats and value all of his posts. I really appreciate this site, and have recently been thinking more about how to contribute to the group. Thanks everyone.

[gfinch]

We are OLD arn't we! LOL!

[racervboat]

We may be old but were not done yet:cheers: FB sucks but this site is not about that, I get frustrated at times with stupid questions, but its from someone who is asking for help who has not found another site to give a damn about that question and they find s-f and ask it and bam got a answer that's good as gold and no B/S cause were here to help.It may be fusrtating to others as maybe the question has been asked many times before but nowadays the tech is overwhelming as if I don't have a laptop to diag this motor im screwed Not so true as a motor is a motor it gets down to the basics than goes from there,im 57yrs old and I can still fix um without a laptop . JMTC still hope this site site remains GREG it seems all we old timers got left and the younger crowd needs us as well.We all need to learn some way or another.:D

[HStream1]

And please allow me to articulate a bit further pertaining to this Thread. I know for a FACT that Greg puts his HEART AND SOUL into this site. If anyone thinks its a cake walk I suggest you step into Gregs shoes for just One Day. I have been devastated by some happenings on this site over the years some have even cost me dearly. Not because of this site but because of people with a Attitude. Did I turn my back on this site because of it? NO. This is by far one of the best High performance Boating Forums in the World BORROW NONE!!! I have had alot of Dialog with Greg personally over the years and I am Proud to personally call him a friend.

Now to the original poster of this thread. If you really want to know what has happened to this site? Maybe you need to look in the mirror. as you yourself admitted "It has been years since I posted on this site". And I ask have you even once contributed to this site? Either helping, advising, sharing information or joining so mush as a Team member??

Thank You Greg for all that you do that goes un noticed or un appreciated. As for me I am Grateful you keep this site together. :cheers:


Oh no, not another one of these posts... :nonod: :leaving:

I only have one answer for now, and for all-time: Life changes, people change, people come and go, and life goes on. I am a member of many message forums for cars and other things, and some of them I have not posted on in a while. But that has nothing to do with anything on those sites that drove me away.

Why must it always be attributed to a failure of this site? This site is a community of people helping people - there is no one single authority that creates and distills content here. If something seems different and if members perceive that as a negative effect, then the proactive members that care enough to take active steps to help it will ultimately determine the trajectory of this site. This site belongs to all of us. It's up to all of us to maintain it. If there's an issue, please contact me and let's fix it. Many members here will attest to the fact that I will contact anybody to work out disagreements and other issues.

And then there's this:



Says who? Are we all expecting a community of robots that just acts all submissively? I understand that some people can grate on others. There's no such thing as any forum or community that does not have this happening. If somebody takes time to follow other interests or has other things in life occupying their time, again, it's somehow seen as a failure on the part of S&F. I won't blindly and ignorantly say that nobody leaves the site because of a specific issue with somebody or some reason, but I also don't see the above reasoning to be a universal answer to why the average post counts of a member might be lower than usual.

There's no such thing as an online community - be it here, Facebook or wherever - where there will be no disagreements and friction between members. I believe the community of members here to be one of the most helpful and well-mannered of all online forums. Nobody is "fed up" to any serious degree, and believe me, in nearly all cases, if there's such an issue, they contact me. Most members that care enough to have invested a great deal of time here do so because of a love for boating and sharing their experiences. That love of boating and camaraderie will almost always transcend member-specific annoyances, and they'll usually care enough to contact me if there are issues concerning them.

I have absolutely no problem at all with people noting changes - that's part of the site, and I've always been guided on this site by the thoughts of all of you. But I also feel that the "what happened to the site" threads just do not contribute in any way whatsoever to helping the site. After all, this site is about its members, never about one person. How about, "let's try to do this..." or something similar if there's an area needing improvement?

Finally, just because some people are not regularly posting, that doesn't mean they're not on the site.:smiletest:

Greg

[Jay Smith]

Wow ,
Bill and I are long time friends , I’ve done work for him in the past , he personally contacted me ( not on a board ) with this issue and I wrote a “book” on where to start looking and what to check to eliminate this issue , maybe any and all my “fixes” didn’t work , my last words to any and all that call , email , text , smoke signal me their issues and or problems ( and believe me I get many calls daily )are if these suggestions and or pathways hit a wall - don’t work call me back, then will “ cuss and discuss “ the issue again and travel another path for success.
Good luck Bill ,
Jay

[CUDA]

I just think he was so pissed off by already trying so hard he was just venting in the heat of the moment,
I know from my own experience if I'm totally frustrated thoughts go through my mind to say or do something that I'm glad later I withheld;)

[KIRCHNER]

There is no substitute for experience. i chime in when i know i can help only because ive been there or done that. i often am amazed by intelligence of many members. from air flow,hydrodynamics,lift,drag,thrust, mechanical engineering you can bet SF has the answer. Good job Greg!!

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[bill mason]

I was going to let this post die a natural death?? When I posted about the site of course it wasn't "the site". The site is just a tool for guys posting on it. The members are the site. Jay has been a long time friend and most helpful over the many many years. I didn't want to bother him again with my problem. In the "old" days a problem posted would have had many guys posting with helpful ideas. I know I must sound like one of those old farts where everything was different in the "old" days. Guess that part is true. My question was answered with "original posters thinking they knew more than guy trying to help", and another post about new engines are way different than one ones. Its not the end of the world just curious how things change. As I stated been checking in daily for twenty years. Haven't been on the water much since last boat accident at Marble Falls drag event. Just built a new home on the lake and started getting back on the water. My post wasn't meant to be a slam on Greg or anyone. Sorry if it came out that way. As I stated in original post, still the best post for boat enthusiasts there is.
Thanks to all who posted helpful ideas. Found broken wire in harness. Now working back over 100mph.
have fun be safe

[Scream And Fly]

Bill, I was actually coming back to this thread to add to my post, and also to tell you specifically that my post was not directed at you or anybody else specifically. Believe me, I am well aware that you are one of our original founding members. You joined this forum in the very first days of its creation, and that always carries a tremendous feeling of pride as well as an obligation to keep this site both firmly rooted in its original goal of being a fun place for boaters to help other boaters, while still expanding its growth. That's not easy at all sometimes, and you and others will know that I think I learned many hard lessons along the way. But I wouldn't trade those experiences for anything. I'm sure you also remember that on numerous occasions I sent you messages on Facebook about your fading involvement in the site, which was not at all seen by me as something you did to the site, but rather I assumed there must be a problem somewhere on S&F and I wanted to fix it. So, it's important for me to underscore that if somebody decides to pursue other interests, or just wants to take a break from here, that I will never rule out the possibility that something happened here to cause it, but also that I would always like the chance to fix whatever it was. However, I'll always respect any decision if a solution cannot be reached.

Hard to believe that this summer marked 20 years of S&F. I feel old now! I am always very thankful for all that you have contributed to S&F to help it grow.

Greg



I was going to let this post die a natural death?? When I posted about the site of course it wasn't "the site". The site is just a tool for guys posting on it. The members are the site. Jay has been a long time friend and most helpful over the many many years. I didn't want to bother him again with my problem. In the "old" days a problem posted would have had many guys posting with helpful ideas. I know I must sound like one of those old farts where everything was different in the "old" days. Guess that part is true. My question was answered with "original posters thinking they knew more than guy trying to help", and another post about new engines are way different than one ones. Its not the end of the world just curious how things change. As I stated been checking in daily for twenty years. Haven't been on the water much since last boat accident at Marble Falls drag event. Just built a new home on the lake and started getting back on the water. My post wasn't meant to be a slam on Greg or anyone. Sorry if it came out that way. As I stated in original post, still the best post for boat enthusiasts there is.
Thanks to all who posted helpful ideas. Found broken wire in harness. Now working back over 100mph.
have fun be safe

[Tom Foley]

I think it's time for a 20th anniversary Scream and Fly Party !! We'll have it at my place Saturday night Nov 3rd and post pics and vids !

[Dave S]

I say we have it at gregs place.....I don't drive....Duh....Great site G.....

[rock]

I think it's time for a 20th anniversary Scream and Fly Party !! We'll have it at my place Saturday night Nov 3rd and post pics and vids !

Man would I like to come down there again.

Rock

[Tom Foley]

Man would I like to come down there again.

Rock
We miss you man , you got a place to stay when you come down just let me know !!

[JPEROG]

Man would I like to come down there again.

Rock

You have a week to plan it. If you want to fly down on the cheap, check out Allegiantair.com and they fly into Sanford/Orlando. We can get you to Toms from there if you come in on Thursday and are welcome to stay at my house if needed. Don't wish-make it happen while you can (life is too short to miss out on this deal).

Joe

[rock]

You guys are the best. I appreciate the offer but I am trying to sell out my shop and move from a 11,000 sq ft operation into a 400 sq ft shop. We have sold a lot so far but we are moving about 20 machines from my shop to another gentleman's warehouse in about a week and a half. He is selling them for me. I'll be down again just not this year. Ya'll have fun and be safe.

Rock

[Dave S]

PM me Dave S.

[Krazymaan]

Sharing achievements used to be fun around here for me. But then it became all about who can rip what you achieved apart the most, criticize it until the bandwagon joins in then all hell breaks loose, every single time. Thats unless your one of the buddies then its all about helping. If people would just quit being A**holes things would be much nicer. Then nobody (----) has the balls to tell them to knock it off. Yeah, tons of fun. See, I didn't mention any names this time. I can if you want me too.
I really wanted to share my summer build up of my 85 STV Sprint Bottom, My now wicked race carb'd Jon Wright motor, semi custom light weight mid build, How quick and fast it is, prop choices, the rare turbo cowl all completed boat like it was the 80's again. But I can't recall a single post started by me that some jackasses just has to spew their hatred all over my posts for no reason whatsoever. For me thats what happened to this site.
I also know a few other people that can't get 1/2 sentence written without this a-hole group ready to destroy. something is just wrong with them, maybe they need a new wife.

[nitro_rat]

Krazy, I’m interested in seeing your projects. Just ignore the haters and carry on!

One of the problems with any on-line media is that it’s difficult to tell someone’s “tone” or “attitude” from the posts that they type. Another problem is that sometimes someone who is posting will take offense when alternate views or opinions are shared. Many times the ones sharing them are just interested and trying to help or contribute but they are taken the wrong way.

I’ve been involved in several of these kinds of situations and many times our first response is to be negative and combative which just degenerates into a name calling match which is pointless. Usually a quick pm and a phone call will resolve the situation!

I’d be willing to bet you that if you were in a room with all the guys that you’ve had negative interactions with and didn’t know their “screen names” that you would all get along and have a great time bench racing over a few brews!

This is a close-knit community and any “known” member would likely be happy to exchange phone numbers over pm with any other “known” member! I haven’t met anyone who wouldn’t, and in fact my number is below in my signature. If I don’t answer leave a message and I’ return your call!

It can be difficult to express what you’re really trying to communicate online so I would recommend giving this a try. You get the benefit of putting a name and a voice with a screen name you’re familiar with and that is how friendships are built!

[Merc 2.5]

Krazy, I'd be very Interested in hearing about your build. That is how I learn alot of things. From the more experienced posting their builds and problems and solutions. I also see where your coming from. I have a build post goin on and fortunately no one has bashed me on anything , but I guess we need let the haters hate, they just want what u got is way I see it.. o and p.s. i use lol here and there ,for the reason it helps for the other person to know "tone" "attitude"

[nitro_rat]

they just want what u got is way I see it.

:iagree:

[Merc 2.5]

:iagree:

Yep wether it's the knowledge or the toys

[gfinch]

Jealousy as apposed to Envious. Just shallow people.

[LakeFever]

Its been great this summer. Aside from that one thread about that notorious shop this place has been grade A all the way! S&F is awesome!

Sounds like a wicked boat Krazyman post er up!

[moatorbotin]

Sharing achievements used to be fun around here for me. But then it became all about who can rip what you achieved apart the most, criticize it until the bandwagon joins in then all hell breaks loose, every single time. Thats unless your one of the buddies then its all about helping. If people would just quit being A**holes things would be much nicer. Then nobody (----) has the balls to tell them to knock it off. Yeah, tons of fun. See, I didn't mention any names this time. I can if you want me too.
I really wanted to share my summer build up of my 85 STV Sprint Bottom, My now wicked race carb'd Jon Wright motor, semi custom light weight mid build, How quick and fast it is, prop choices, the rare turbo cowl all completed boat like it was the 80's again. But I can't recall a single post started by me that some jackasses just has to spew their hatred all over my posts for no reason whatsoever. For me thats what happened to this site.
I also know a few other people that can't get 1/2 sentence written without this a-hole group ready to destroy. something is just wrong with them, maybe they need a new wife.please post some pics, I’d be interested in seeing it

[Don Dieago]

Ive asked plenty of questions cant keep my mouth shut! every question Ive asked has been answered by several members.
And kindly answers too! Now that being said I have patients not all were answered in 5 minutes but I know people have lives too.
Ive been doing this a long time but I'm not a tuner or trimmer so to speak Im a repair man I dont know 1% of everything but hot rodders usually do so I came here. Like the engine height deal. in older days when I rigged a boat I was taught to set cavitation plate even with boat bottom or inch higher but then again in the sticks I didnt do many bass or performance boats. Like said above I work on tons of doo's and runners and without my scantool and laptop I'm out of business.