400R Post 1193 Fountain 130 MPH

[Z06man]

Big number

[noli]

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Anyone know the motors' RPM that the speed was reached at?




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[mr fun]

Details,,, we need details. was it a 12' fountain? hard to imagine a big v with outboards, cept the CC fish models, but even still, 130 is what that 28 Nordic went turning 7 grand.

[JPEROG]

Fast truck-

Joe

[Esox4130]

Not bad for their first cat. Those numbers are excellent for a 32ft outboard boat.

[HydroSkreamin]

Fast truck-

Joe

That’s funny $#!t right there!

If you hold your finger on the speed digits on the newer VesselView such as the one in the original picture, it’s called “deep dive” and will open another screen showing speed@RPM. If your statement is true it will be 130/0.

I’m wondering if maybe Myrick Coil had something to do with setup and driving. He just drove a big Skater with twin 1350/1550 DualCal QC4’s to 180 on 1350 power. He’s very good at setup and driving.

[JPEROG]

I think Billy Moore has been the guy to run this hull the fastest so far. Myric would be jumping teams to get involved and I can pretty much guarantee that isn't going to happen. I will be out there on Wed. and staying for a week to hang out with the Performance boat center crew and take part in the Lake race festivities. I am sure that I will hear about this screen shot.

Fred (Big Thunder) is the main sponsor of the lake race this year so I hope they have a canopied version of this boat with 300s to enter against all of the Doug Wrights and Ryan's Skater.

Joe

[HydroSkreamin]

Yeah, that makes way more sense.

If they canopy that it’s gonna look and run good.

[AZMIDLYF]

408717408718

[mr fun]

408717408718

Now we're talking! I did not even know the new Fountain was in this market, Thanks for the update! Fun Out

[CUDA]

Looks like it can take some big water, it's ruff being poor.

[Double Rigged]

Anybody know what it weighs?
Hope to see all these guys make some runs at LOTO this year. Should be interesting.

[mjw930]

Now we're talking! I did not even know the new Fountain was in this market, Thanks for the update! Fun Out

Well, it’s sort of a Fountain in that everything that was here: http://smartmarineboats.com/ is now in NC and being funded by Iconic.

[Turborr]

I was just going to say that I think it is the cat that smart marine built a few of...I think they are doing something in conjunction with fountain.

[Mr. Demeanor]

No Fountain has ever achieved the performance they provide with their performance data sheet with each new hull purchase LoL.

[NeedOne]

Loving the graphics one these fountain cats. The blue and white one and now this one.. just perfect

[Boss]

As stated, Fountain had nothing to do with the design of that boat. In fact, Chris Schoenbohm over at Smart Marine basically splashed a 32 Maelstrom cat, then took the top from a DW and called it his "Phoenix". I heard he talked a big game about taking over the Super Stock class with this "new" boat of his, but I don't think one ever ran well enough to make it into an actual race.

I would be skeptical that this new "Fountain" has run 130 on stock 400R power, unless it was going down the river, with a nice tail wind. I'd have to see a back to back two way average to believe it! I could be wrong, but I don't think the DW's are there yet either, I'd shocked if this boat was faster than the well sorted DW's.

I don't know what the price on one of these is, but it is a nice looking boat. I would imagine it has potential as well.

[JPEROG]

Chris did race the plug boat in Englewood I believe but it had some lamination issues. There is a 2nd race boat out of Cocoa Beach but he hasn't run it yet. I am with Boss, no way this happened with stock boxes. The fastest 32 and 36 DW are both 126 on a documented run. This years shootout should be interesting.

Joe

[Boss]

Anyone know what Fountain is asking for one of these with 400's?

[AZMIDLYF]

Big Thunder Marine:
New 32 Fountian Cat in stock now!! Twin 400R, 130 mph, Dual Garmins, marine mat flooring, finished off storage areas, cockpit cover. Tandem axle Myco trailer. Starting at $319,900 no trailer.

[Boss]

Big Thunder Marine:
New 32 Fountian Cat in stock now!! Twin 400R, 130 mph, Dual Garmins, marine mat flooring, finished off storage areas, cockpit cover. Tandem axle Myco trailer. Starting at $319,900 no trailer.

Wow, they are really proud of these boats already! They must be tacking some extra $$$ since they do 130 mph! :D

[Esox4130]

Went 131mph this last weekend on god at ozarks

[Mcd]

Did anyone check out the glass work on the kilo boat?

[mjw930]

Big Thunder Marine:
New 32 Fountian Cat in stock now!! Twin 400R, 130 mph, Dual Garmins, marine mat flooring, finished off storage areas, cockpit cover. Tandem axle Myco trailer. Starting at $319,900 no trailer.

Or you can save $100,000 and buy a brand new, turn key Spectre 32 with twin 400R’s on a quality trailer.

[obrien]

i want to know what props they have been running. I heard mention of them running 34s but there is no way the boat will run 130 with those props @ 7000 on the 1.75 gear ratio

[Spectre Powerboats]

From Matt Ttulio SOTW publisher.

Editor’s Note: Since this story was published, Joe Curran at Iconic Marine Group—Fountain’s parent company—confirmed (today)that ECMs in the 32 Thunder Cat Verado 400R outboard engines were modified “for testing purposes.” Said Curran, “We are not developing hulls for today’s power, we are developing tomorrow’s power.”

[Spectre Powerboats]

Read the whole story and then look at the edited part at the bottom.

https://speedonthewater.com/new-boats-engines/5297-fountain-32-thunder-cat-reaches-130-plus-mph

[johnmiffco]

typical fountain playbook,,,,,,,
to change/modify/bend the rules in their favor
big thunder buys molds from smart marine and fountain taking the credit they built a 130 mph 400r cat
and was done by modifying the motor when others ran out of box stock,,,,go figure,,,lol

[kct11]

What's the difference? I see guys claim numbers with dbr kit and nass cowel as stock 300xs

[obrien]

typical fountain playbook,,,,,,,
to change/modify/bend the rules in their favor
big thunder buys molds from smart marine and fountain taking the credit they built a 130 mph 400r cat
and was done by modifying the motor when others ran out of box stock,,,,go figure,,,lol

surely you are not naive enough to believe that everyone else has been running stock

[mjw930]

surely you are not naive enough to believe that everyone else has been running stock

I would argue that most manufacturers are running stock considering these are smaller companies most likely developing product on an individuals wallet that aren't willing to totally void the warranty on almost $60K in motors just to post a number that their actual production product can't duplicate. That's one sure fire way to piss off both current and future owners.

I mean really, the whole argument for switching to outboards is to lower the cost and provide more boating time and less repair time. If all you are going to do is substitute one hand grenade for another what's the point?

[Spectre Powerboats]

I will say this and you take it for what you want "It never happened." End of story.

[JPEROG]

I just got back from being out at the lake for a week. It did happen, boxes are turned up so that it could over rev. The boat is running really good with stock boxes as well (we got the whole run down at Fred's open house last Thursday).

Joe

[Spectre Powerboats]

I just got back from being out at the lake for a week. It did happen, boxes are turned up so that it could over rev. The boat is running really good with stock boxes as well (we got the whole run down at Fred's open house last Thursday).

Joe

If one of my boats was running 130 and 131 mph passes. There would be more than this BS picture of a Vessel View display. There would be phone pics, phone videos, I would be bragging my ass off about it. So now, we have a Fountain that ran 130+, everyone called BS. So they admit it is not stock, a lot of people are still calling BS. I call BS and for a good reason!

[Esox4130]

If one of my boats was running 130 and 131 mph passes. There would be more than this BS picture of a Vessel View display. There would be phone pics, phone videos, I would be bragging my ass off about it. So now, we have a Fountain that ran 130+, everyone called BS. So they admit it is not stock, a lot of people are still calling BS. I call BS and for a good reason!
Why’s it so unbelievable? Light layup and good set up with turned up motors should do it. Nordic ran 130mph with stock motors.

[Rayzor]

None of this is going to matter in 1-2 years anyways when we have the 500+ hp motors. Then it won't even matter who can build the lightest, fastest-for-400s boat. What will matter then is what outboard cat works best with big HP outboards on the transom. It will usher in an entirely new era in outboard performance boats.

[Esox4130]

I just got back from being out at the lake for a week. It did happen, boxes are turned up so that it could over rev. The boat is running really good with stock boxes as well (we got the whole run down at Fred's open house last Thursday).

Joe how did it run with stock boxes? Didn’t it run mid 120s first time out?

[1BadAction]

These ain't normally aspirated motors or opti-pops. If someone outside Merc cracked the box and are monkeying with the tune, then I'll bet my unborn first child that the rev-limiter isn't the only thing that's not stock. LOL

IB4TL

[JPEROG]

how did it run with stock boxes? Didn’t it run mid 120s first time out?

They saw 23 with a couple guys in the boat on stock boxes. I have talked to the guy that was driving it before and talked to both of the guys running it on Saturday as they pulled it up on the lift at Beavers. They are running 35 cnc merc 5 blades that are 15" dia. very low rake and turning the motors a couple hundred over stock.

Joe

[JPEROG]

None of this is going to matter in 1-2 years anyways when we have the 500+ hp motors. Then it won't even matter who can build the lightest, fastest-for-400s boat. What will matter then is what outboard cat works best with big HP outboards on the transom. It will usher in an entirely new era in outboard performance boats.

2019 should make for some outboards running like they were shot out of a 3030... Yours will be one of the first-

Joe

[Rayzor]

I'll have a set ordered as soon as they're released, that's for sure Joe! I already have a buyer for my 400Rs. I honestly won't even prop it to run a big # with the SC V8s, my days of wanting to run 140+ are over. But it sure will be nice to get from 80-130+ in a hurry! Such a cool time to be an outboard guy. :cheers:

[CUDA]

I'll have a set ordered as soon as they're released, that's for sure Joe! I already have a buyer for my 400Rs. I honestly won't even prop it to run a big # with the SC V8s, my days of wanting to run 140+ are over. But it sure will be nice to get from 80-130+ in a hurry! Such a cool time to be an RICH outboard guy. :cheers:


I FIXED it for Ya

[AZMIDLYF]

CUDA, not sure that I understand the dig towards a guy that quite possibly is out there busting his ass to make the money so he can enjoy his hobby. I have no idea what Rayzor does to make his world happen but I can at least be happy for him. Rant over...

[CUDA]

Rant, you got that right , I don't see a dig, sorry you do , strange ...

I wish I could spend $100's of thousands on a toy ,

But at 64 I have no need, or want.

[Bullhead Bully]

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Why even post it if it’s modified.

Or just tell everyone it’s modified upfront. I would still like to know the RPM. 8000?

[mjw930]

Assuming they could achieve 7% slip it’s around 7400 rpm.

[Bullhead Bully]

Why not just be happy with 120+? Big boat! Not bad.

That would put you right where the other manufacturers are with their 30’+ size Boats. Until bigger power arrives. Whenever that happens.

[Da Bull]

WOW! This thread reminds me of the old "Triple Digit thread".

[Chaz]

CUDA, not sure that I understand the dig towards a guy that quite possibly is out there busting his ass to make the money so he can enjoy his hobby. I have no idea what Rayzor does to make his world happen but I can at least be happy for him. Rant over...

Mid Life , It could "quite possibly" be a westie thing . But I think you , Cuda and I are old enough to sense , it's more of a dad or grand-pa's trustie thing that draws Cuda's attention . Nothing more - nothing less .. Please pass the Grey Poupon :)

[Davidlake]

Mid Life , It could "quite possibly" be a westie thing . But I think you , Cuda and I are old enough to sense , it's more of a dad or grand-pa's trustie thing that draws Cuda's attention . Nothing more - nothing less .. Please pass the Grey Poupon :)
Sour Grapes?? Some of us, though maybe not so young now, had the vision and drive at an early age to aggressively pursue and achieve lofty goals in business that allow to the lives we live now. Just say'n. Chaz, Your knowledge you express on this site is only eclipsed by your sarcasm.:D

[XstreamVking]

If these guys with the deep pockets didn't blow their money on crazy cool boats, we boat nuts with m-t pockets would not see how far the envelope can be pushed performance and build quality wise. I love seeing them, and am Xtreemly, jealous. :D Screw the haters..:D

[pearlriverrat]

If these guys with the deep pockets didn't blow their money on crazy cool boats, we boat nuts with m-t pockets would not see how far the envelope can be pushed performance and build quality wise. I love seeing them, and am Xtreemly, jealous. :D Screw the haters..:D
..., and someone has to pay to have them built new, so the broke folks can buy them used...

[Chaz]

Sour Grapes?? Some of us, though maybe not so young now, had the vision and drive at an early age to aggressively pursue and achieve lofty goals in business that allow to the lives we live now. Just say'n. Chaz, Your knowledge you express on this site is only eclipsed by your sarcasm.:D

TenKiller , you wise Chief . Yes we have Napa store down the path , but we have no valley for any type of grapes to grow . We barely recover from civil war . take 15 minutes for next small business jet to take off or land from our small perch . ;)
Yes again , many time on the buffalo path of life , I have seen strong ten feather chief put in time and effort to build future and watch one feather son open rain book .
Both type men may wind up same dream , same place . Get there , much different attitude along path of life . Envious or jealous of neither , but strive to be like one .

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Oc3Cx8ohfFk89yzVEpUO8wHaEc&pid=Api&P=0&w=273&h=164 (http://r.search.aol.com/_ylt=AwrEwM6iIBhbe1sA2GljCWVH;_ylu=X3oDMTIzMGdyMnUwBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAMxYTYwOWQ2OTllZWM0MzkxN DlhNzU0NDUyMmFhZmY2MQRncG9zAzY3BGl0A2Jpbmc-/RV=2/RE=1528336674/RO=11/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.truewestmagazine.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2017%2f03%2fchief-dan-george.jpg/RK=0/RS=_9UD5GtPx5Z_PCj.5Xfi2q.c4ik-)

[WILDMAN]

I'm 64 and still do have a need and want!




Rant, you got that right , I don't see a dig, sorry you do , strange ...

I wish I could spend $100's of thousands on a toy ,

But at 64 I have no need, or want.

[CUDA]

Well I guess You don't have a wife who has her health getting worse all the time , everyday to the hospital now for a four hour IV antibiotic treatment , then doctors doctors doctors for this that and what ever , She is a CCRN that has not worked in five years , never will, but she keeps her license in NY and FL active.
When she worked for the hospital, health insurance was cheap ... not anymore. Have you heard of co-pay .

I fined it just crazy how one word RICH , can start such a $hit Storm

Priorities change

[Davidlake]

Well, Chaz, you really outdid yourself today! SOOO many analogies. I guess I tasted the wrath of your grapes. I needed a good laugh today. BTW, what is a "JET"??:confused:

[SinOjos]

Unfortunatly those that have never been seriously injured or had a serious health issue, that destroys your ability to earn income. Just do not understand the mortality and luck clause in life.

If she needs iv antibiotics every day, does she not have a pic line, and the ability to to do so at home. Due to a spinal injury and subseqeunt infection. I had a pic line for 9 months, out side of the 4 weeks and 3 surgeries to my spine in the hospital.

I was at home on varoius iv antibiotics. Besides the bags that can be hung, they have pressurized balls, that you can put in your pocket. It took 7 months for the wound to heal from the last surgery, they left it open to drain, as a last resort.

Due to the screwed up medical system, and even worse VA, they flat out deny treatment, even when it is service related. I lost everything.

At 55, I am starting all over again. With ongoing health problems I doubt I will ever be able to afford a boat again, let alone a $300,000 boat.

So yea, thats great that there are so many of you that have good health and MONEY. But there is no reason to financial shame and health shame those of use, like so many Disabled Veterans that have been left to die by the American People and the US gov.

Only a very small percentage of the US population can afford a $300,000 boat.

SO YEA YOU ARE ALL RICH AND LIVING OFF THE BLOOD OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO ARE LEFT TO DIE, BY YOU. F YOU, YOU RICH BASTARDS.

[aggiestckl]

Why do all of these ****ing posts turn into a pissing match? Always some social or political rant. This is a ****ing boating site!!

[Forkin' Crazy]

Looks like it can take some big water, it's ruff being poor.


Poor? You aren’t poor. Just the other day you were telling me how much money you have and done so well with your retirement.
So which is it? You confused libtard!!!



I FIXED it for Ya


Damn right that was a dig. You are green with envy. Maybe you should have made better choices in your life.



Rant, you got that right , I don't see a dig, sorry you do , strange ...

I wish I could spend $100's of thousands on a toy ,

But at 64 I have no need, or want.


You wish you could spend 100s of thousands on a toy, then you turn right around and say you have no need or want. Wow… You attention whore. No one wants to read your drivel!



Well I guess You don't have a wife who has her health getting worse all the time , everyday to the hospital now for a four hour IV antibiotic treatment , then doctors doctors doctors for this that and what ever , She is a CCRN that has not worked in five years , never will, but she keeps her license in NY and FL active.
When she worked for the hospital, health insurance was cheap ... not anymore. Have you heard of co-pay .

I fined it just crazy how one word RICH , can start such a $hit Storm


Priorities change


What happen your messiah’s Obama care? You put him in office. He did you wrong?


Again the attention whore making it about himself.


You fail because I am NOT feeling sorry for you. Idiot!

[SinOjos]

Well, do not attack people about there opinion of rich. Many have been affected by things outside of their control. When Rich people shame people for having health problems and cannot work. That is not about boating, but about a rich basterd who is earning a living off the blood of people, mostly veterans who kept them and their country safe.

[Forkin' Crazy]

Unfortunatly those that have never been seriously injured or had a serious health issue, that destroys your ability to earn income. Just do not understand the mortality and luck clause in life.

If she needs iv antibiotics every day, does she not have a pic line, and the ability to to do so at home. Due to a spinal injury and subseqeunt infection. I had a pic line for 9 months, out side of the 4 weeks and 3 surgeries to my spine in the hospital.

I was at home on varoius iv antibiotics. Besides the bags that can be hung, they have pressurized balls, that you can put in your pocket. It took 7 months for the wound to heal from the last surgery, they left it open to drain, as a last resort.

Due to the screwed up medical system, and even worse VA, they flat out deny treatment, even when it is service related. I lost everything.

At 55, I am starting all over again. With ongoing health problems I doubt I will ever be able to afford a boat again, let alone a $300,000 boat.

So yea, thats great that there are so many of you that have good health and MONEY. But there is no reason to financial shame and health shame those of use, like so many Disabled Veterans that have been left to die by the American People and the US gov.

Only a very small percentage of the US population can afford a $300,000 boat.

SO YEA YOU ARE ALL RICH AND LIVING OFF THE BLOOD OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO ARE LEFT TO DIE, BY YOU. F YOU, YOU RICH BASTARDS.

LMFAO!!! Da fuq is dis???? :eek:

[SinOjos]

The problem is/was never Obamas. Not fan of him at all, but the problems have been around since the beginning. Wait till you get hit with a millon dollar plus medical bill. I did, it was before Obama, and the VA refused treatment. I am broke now but alive, barely.

Take a look at some of the problems, linked below. Google and the media black out the truth. So why dont you rich guys just keep playing with your half million dollar boats, and just forget about those who have given their life. So you can earn money and enjoy life.

Simply keep DDD in affect. Deny, delay, die. Save all that money for yourself. I suppose 300,000 Veterans die'ng, left without care is not good enough.

https://www.benjaminkrauselaw.com/about-benjamin-krause/

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/09/04/ig-report-300000-veterans-died-while-waiting-health-care-va.html

[aggiestckl]

Dude it’s a ****ing high performance boat site

[SinOjos]

If Veterans were not left to die. There would more boat owners. Idiot poster should not have started the pesonal attack, on the guy that has the sick wife.

Wait till you bastards start having serious health problems. You sure as hell will not be enjoying any boat you can afford. Wake up, everything is not roses. It will hapen to you eventually, enjoy your health while you can.

Refrain from personal attacks against people with serous health isseus. Then the thread would most probably stay on boats.

You rich entitled people will never understand that though.

[kct11]

I just heard it went 140 today....back on track

[1BadAction]

If Veterans were not left to die. There would more boat owners. Idiot poster should not have started the pesonal attack, on the guy that has the sick wife.

Wait till you bastards start having serious health problems. You sure as hell will not be enjoying any boat you can afford. Wake up, everything is not roses. It will hapen to you eventually, enjoy your health while you can.

Refrain from personal attacks against people with serous health isseus. Then the thread would most probably stay on boats.

You rich entitled people will never understand that though.


Just because he has a sick wife doesn't give him free rein to start chit with other people you f'n pilled up mental midget.

How about both you attention whoring assclowns keep your moronic high school mentality "eat the rich" BS opinions to yourselves, then you won't be attacked.

[XstreamVking]

Rich people get sick and die every day. Same as poor. I feel empathy for you, and cuda's wife. Sometimes life is not fair. Especially for the ones that gave their lives in service to help others. There, but for the grace of God, go I....Comes to mind. But as said, this is a boating site after all. And people having money and spending it as they choose does not make them bad people. On the contrary it proves them not to be....

[1BadAction]

There, but for the grace of God, go I....Comes to mind.

Exactly. Someone talking about having it bad in the US needs to go to somewhere like South America and see what having a bad life is REALLY like.

If you are a citizen of the US you have it much better than the majority of the world, but entitled liberal pukes are blind to this.

[Spectre Powerboats]

From a friend of mine:

Tony at Big Thunder Marine did run the Fountain 32 Cat to 131 mph. It was early morning, everything out of the boat, low on fuel, by himself and modified 400R's. My friend confirmed it was about a 90 to 100 more hp set up per motor. Now I am a believer, because the truth came out.

Great number Fountain crew. Congratulations!

My issue with this ordeal was, people were believing this was done with warranty motors and comments on Facebook from the Iconic Marine Group where they were telling people for $300k they were getting a 130+ mph boat. They were not telling them this was with modified 400R motors that would not have warranty.

[Forkin' Crazy]

The problem is/was never Obamas. Not fan of him at all, but the problems have been around since the beginning. Wait till you get hit with a millon dollar plus medical bill. I did, it was before Obama, and the VA refused treatment. I am broke now but alive, barely.

Take a look at some of the problems, linked below. Google and the media black out the truth. So why dont you rich guys just keep playing with your half million dollar boats, and just forget about those who have given their life. So you can earn money and enjoy life.

Simply keep DDD in affect. Deny, delay, die. Save all that money for yourself. I suppose 300,000 Veterans die'ng, left without care is not good enough.

https://www.benjaminkrauselaw.com/about-benjamin-krause/

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/09/04/ig-report-300000-veterans-died-while-waiting-health-care-va.html

So why post this here? You are as bad as Cuda as being an attention whore. 10 post wonder..... You can shove that pompous better than thou attitude!


If Veterans were not left to die. There would more boat owners. Idiot poster should not have started the pesonal attack, on the guy that has the sick wife.

Wait till you bastards start having serious health problems. You sure as hell will not be enjoying any boat you can afford. Wake up, everything is not roses. It will hapen to you eventually, enjoy your health while you can.

Refrain from personal attacks against people with serous health isseus. Then the thread would most probably stay on boats.

You rich entitled people will never understand that though.

Then Cuda shouldn't have been crying and bringing up personal problems on a public forum if he didn't want any blow back. That goes for you too, idiot!!!

And I am far from rich. I tell you what, keep on feeling sorry for yourself, because you will not get any sympathy from me with that attitude.

[CUDA]

Yes she has a pic line installed , wanted to do at home since she is a nurse, no go , has some kind a vacuum pump installed ... geesh !

[aggiestckl]

I wish bad health on no one but that’s a conversation for your physician not the ****ing high pro boat site. Save it

[SinOjos]

Paul Harrop,

Not looking for sympathy, merely stating fact.

Enjoy your freedom to play tuff guy behind the monitor. I doubt you will ever understand. Your freedom is floated on the blood of better people than you.

When you get old and sick, in hospice,with hoses in every orfice, remember this thread. Truthfully think about how you have lead your life, factually.

In some circles, simply being able to work, is being rich.

[Spectre Powerboats]

https://speedonthewater.com/images/2018_Images/lakerace/lakerace18_fountaincat.jpg

[Chaz]

Well, Chaz, you really outdid yourself today! SOOO many analogies. I guess I tasted the wrath of your grapes. I needed a good laugh today. BTW, what is a "JET"??:confused:

All I was sayin in a round a bout way is that I have worked for racers in one way or another most of my adult life . Breaking the "haves" down into two basic groups .There are those that earned the money we were spending and those that were spending the money we were spending . There is a distinct attitude and behavioral difference between the two , was my only point . :cheers:
As far as flying grapes , I got none to sling , if ya got hit with one , I didn't throw it , I just had a shot a 90 wt in my shoulder last week and I aint messin that up for no one .. ;) :D

[Rayzor]

Mid Life , It could "quite possibly" be a westie thing . But I think you , Cuda and I are old enough to sense , it's more of a dad or grand-pa's trustie thing that draws Cuda's attention . Nothing more - nothing less .. Please pass the Grey Poupon :)

Chaz, you're such a POS. I'm a college graduate of Cal State Hayward (now Cal State East Bay) with a degree in communications and a minor in advertising, and I've owned my own construction company since I was 29 years old (started as an electrical contractor in 1999). I have been a general contractor since 2003, and do nothing but commercial work. I've worked hard for every dime I've ever made. Why don't you do a Google search on Delta Contracting, Inc.? You'll see me listed as the president. You're the reason I often leave this site - just as I will once again...…...

[NICE PAIR]

I FIXED it for Ya

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[Speed Jr.]

You may want to re read Chaz' post. There was no dig towards you Razor. It was referencing what gets Cudas panties in a bunch over anyone with anything nice as it bothers him cause hes an unhappy person himself. With a communications degree one would think you would have picked up on that. (Just playin around)



Chaz, you're such a POS. I'm a
college graduate of Cal State Hayward (now Cal State East Bay) with a degree in communications and a minor in advertising, and I've owned my own construction company since I was 29 years old (started as an electrical contractor in 1999). I have been a general contractor since 2003, and do nothing but commercial work. I've worked hard for every dime I've ever made. Why don't you do a Google search on Delta Contracting, Inc.? You'll see me listed as the president. You're the reason I often leave this site - just as I will once again...…...

[Boss]

So looking at the numbers, to go from 123 to 131, I'm guessing they would need about another 50hp per side??? If so that seems pretty obtainable with a couple lbs of boost, good fuel, and maybe a slightly less conservative tune.

[Chaz]

Chaz, you're such a POS. I'm a college graduate of Cal State Hayward (now Cal State East Bay) with a degree in communications and a minor in advertising, and I've owned my own construction company since I was 29 years old (started as an electrical contractor in 1999). I have been a general contractor since 2003, and do nothing but commercial work. I've worked hard for every dime I've ever made. Why don't you do a Google search on Delta Contracting, Inc.? You'll see me listed as the president. You're the reason I often leave this site - just as I will once again...…...

Dale , Dale , Dale , your major was in communications . Yet you lose your composure and resort to name calling right off the bat . I sure hope you buildings are better than your communication skills .. :D

[Spectre Powerboats]

So looking at the numbers, to go from 123 to 131, I'm guessing they would need about another 50hp per side??? If so that seems pretty obtainable with a couple lbs of boost, good fuel, and maybe a slightly less conservative tune.

What I was told it took 90 to 100 hp per motor to achieve the extra speed. Either way, it does let us know what it takes to make an outboard cat run those numbers.

In all honesty, I hate seeing these outboards achieving those numbers, because as light as they are and the speeds they will be running. We are going to see an increase in accidents and we all hate that.

[AZMIDLYF]

I agree Todd. It used to be a more experienced boater that was able to coax these numbers from a hull. Now anyone with the funds hops into a ready made triple digit craft and gets lulled into safety. Heck, these huge center console boats full of passengers rolling along leisurely at 80+ is cause to be concerned. Great times but with an air of concern as well.

[JPEROG]

Its not as much of a power increase that was needed (I really doubt that the motors are making much more power then stock) but they are up against the limiter once you get them mounted high enough and running on the blade tips of the 35 cnc propellers. I know that Myric and I had the 36 Doug Wright pinned to the limiters several times. So all that it takes is to let it over rev a few hundred and get the increased prop speed to translate into the extra mph. The Verados will pull timing when they are over boosted to compensate against a failure and the camshaft will fall off soon after the 7150 peak as well.

I totally agree with Todd and I have had the conversation with several others about the fact that these outboards are going to make a 5,000 boat capable of speeds that were only achieved by boats weighing twice that (inboards) up until this point. There is no question in my mind that an outboard cat running North of 130 is an accident waiting to happen. You simply don't have the chance to recover them once they are out of shape at that speed. With the propshafts running this high, you are in a kite and along for the ride if the attach angle goes away. Its a lot different when you are running a mega hp inboard, you feel light, you jam the sticks and it plants the front end due to raw transom lift through the big props. I have spent a decent amount of time in both and they are very different animals.

Inboard guys sometimes laugh at the outboards until they ride in them "then they get nervous when things are so light".

Joe

[Boss]

Just some random thoughts:

A few hundred RPM might be all it takes to get the speed needed, but it takes power to turn the props to get that RPM speed too. I'm still guessing it takes around 450hp per side to pick up that additional 8mph they reportedly gained. The DW's that are running 126 or so with 400 a side would likely pick up to around 134 with 40's. With 500's, we are probably talking 140 mph.
The wide tunnels in these modern cats doesn't make them any safer either.


Luckily real world weights (adding 1000 lbs of gear, fuel, and multiple passengers, etc) will slow a 130mph light weight cat down to around 118mph or so. A 140mph boat would slow down to a to around 127 or so. Still fast, but it's probably not nearly as much of an accident waiting to happen as one might think when talking about the same boat lightened up for max speed. Not to mention, one would hope a stripped down boat wouldn't be out hunting record speeds in less than ideal conditions.

The real danger threshold IMO is around 125mph, above that and we start hearing about a lot more boats flipping. As you guys are pointing out, we are quickly about to cross over that line with OB cats. I don't think anyone would disagree that Merc will be releasing a supercharged version of their new V8. Modded engines will push the envelope even further. Luckily (???) the lowers on these OB's might keep things from getting too far out of control, but 400hp is likely only the beginning!

[Double Rigged]

What I was told it took 90 to 100 hp per motor to achieve the extra speed. Either way, it does let us know what it takes to make an outboard cat run those numbers.

In all honesty, I hate seeing these outboards achieving those numbers, because as light as they are and the speeds they will be running. We are going to see an increase in accidents and we all hate that.
Great Post Todd,
Finally someone who has a stake in the game that realizes where this is headed. Only ones that have run these boats in adverse conditions truly understands what is going on. IMO these boats with already have more than enough power for someone with minimal experience.
It will be only a matter of time until another unfortunate accident happens. I also would love more HP but love the way my boat handles with not so much weight on the transom.

[Bullhead Bully]

I agree with both of you . My Nordic 28 is a perfect match with the 400s. It needs no more power. However when you start going over 30 approaching 36 feet. I think more power is welcome. It’s all proportional.

I don’t think it’s going to be long before the 36 and 40 foot cats are going to be pushed by a pair of outboards at an impressive three digit number. At a fraction of the cost invested (compared to inboards) as well as much lower operating expenses.

[WILDMAN]

Liberator in Texas is building a 25 Liberator now with twin 400's. If it is setup properly, it should run. Unfortunately it probably won't be. It has the centerpod, so I don't think the weight should be an issue. All the new 25's have the pod and do not hop.

[Spectre Powerboats]

Liberator in Texas is building a 25 Liberator now with twin 400's. If it is setup properly, it should run. Unfortunately it probably won't be. It has the centerpod, so I don't think the weight should be an issue. All the new 25's have the pod and do not hop.

And this may turn out really bad for the boating community. I hope not.

[Davidlake]

I remember back in, maybe 2013, somebody attempted to run an 21 Liberator with twin 300XS's. As my memory serves me, his first time out he stuffed it and it went to the bottom!

[AZMIDLYF]

I agree with both of you . My Nordic 28 is a perfect match with the 400s. It needs no more power. However when you start going over 30 approaching 36 feet. I think more power is welcome. It’s all proportional.

I don’t think it’s going to be long before the 36 and 40 foot cats are going to be pushed by a pair of outboards at an impressive three digit number. At a fraction of the cost invested (compared to inboards) as well as much lower operating expenses.

Bully, I don't know if you remember this one off 368 Skater breaking into triple digits already...

409572

[WILDMAN]

YUP! That boat was definitely not setup properly. I also doubt he was told about certain handling characteristics with twins. I did not sell that one either.




I remember back in, maybe 2013, somebody attempted to run an 21 Liberator with twin 300XS's. As my memory serves me, his first time out he stuffed it and it went to the bottom!

[Double Rigged]

Bully, I don't know if you remember this one off 368 Skater breaking into triple digits already...

409572
And for those that may or may not that boat went over. I hear all you guys about larger boats and having big outboards but there is HUGE difference in the handling with I/O power versus outboards. It is about flying these cats high out of the water which is what makes things a possible bad situation as above. Having the additional HP to pin the nose to the water at higher speeds makes the boats much safer. Problem with the outboard power is still CG and the boats are not planted at top speed.
Any miscalculation or rogue wave will spell disaster.
Our sport cannot afford any more accidents or the cost even for outboards and insurance will be no longer attainable.
JMO.

[Spectre Powerboats]

And for those that may or may not that boat went over. I hear all you guys about larger boats and having big outboards but there is HUGE difference in the handling with I/O power versus outboards. It is about flying these cats high out of the water which is what makes things a possible bad situation as above. Having the additional HP to pin the nose to the water at higher speeds makes the boats much safer. Problem with the outboard power is still CG and the boats are not planted at top speed.
Any miscalculation or rogue wave will spell disaster.
Our sport cannot afford any more accidents or the cost even for outboards and insurance will be no longer attainable.
JMO.

100% Spot on!! :iagree:

[mjw930]

And for those that may or may not that boat went over. I hear all you guys about larger boats and having big outboards but there is HUGE difference in the handling with I/O power versus outboards. It is about flying these cats high out of the water which is what makes things a possible bad situation as above. Having the additional HP to pin the nose to the water at higher speeds makes the boats much safer. Problem with the outboard power is still CG and the boats are not planted at top speed.
Any miscalculation or rogue wave will spell disaster.
Our sport cannot afford any more accidents or the cost even for outboards and insurance will be no longer attainable.
JMO.

BTW, depending on the type of boat and location Insurance is already next to impossible to get without paying $5000+ / year on sub 26' boats.

[davemvegas]

I remember back in, maybe 2013, somebody attempted to run an 21 Liberator with twin 300XS's. As my memory serves me, his first time out he stuffed it and it went to the bottom!

yes he did. i am still running one of the motors.409584

[Like2GoFast]

What is with the "blood of the poor"? I'm certainly not rich and have been in debt most of my life due to MY decisions. I am extremely grateful to the "rich" for allowing me to have a job because a poor/broke man NEVER provided me a paycheck or a job. I work tons of hours and don't ask anyone to "give" me anything. I don't even own a boat but I have been a member of this site for years to look at the beautiful boats of a variety of makes and types. The members of this site have taught me a ton from the forums. I love boats and hope to buy one in a year or 2, and it will be a fast one. It probably won't be new so, again, I will be thankful for a "rich man" buying it new so I can enjoy it used. Don't feel like a man that can afford things is evil or a bad man. Most likely they have sacrificed in some way or another to achieve success. There is no reason a successful man should apologize for their success.
With that same reasoning, that in no way means that any of the terrible situation you described is your fault. I know lots of folks who have things out of their control change their life. You help folks when you can but you can't take on their life. I don't want folks solving my problems for me. It's my life to make mistakes and corrections the way I want.
I wish you well and wish you wouldn't think anyone successful made it because someone else suffered. Successful companies usually are successful because of great workers.
My rant is over.

[Like2GoFast]

OOPS.... That as supposed to be a reply to an earlier post
I am but a junior member that is not overly familiar with the reply thing. Not wanting to change or take over a thread