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WavetoWave
03-20-2018, 10:50 PM
Hey Guys, thought you would want to follow along on our YouTube channel for our 22 Activator project. We just posted the introduction video and will be updating new episodes weekly or more. I'll try and update on Scream and Fly as well.

Hoping to see some of the NY / CT members on the water this summer, if it ever comes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbvMftXM6k&t=1s

noli
03-21-2018, 07:40 AM
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W2W,


love the video-documentary. I think this series will become a classic in its own way

Please keep the vids coming!






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89LASER
03-21-2018, 03:31 PM
I'm looking forward to see the progress on this hull..

aeneas
03-21-2018, 11:05 PM
Very interested in how you will set the boat up. For top end? For all-round? For "offshore"?
Looking forward to the next episode where you reveal your thoughts on engine choices. :thumbsup:
(I commented on your Youtube channel).

WavetoWave
03-22-2018, 04:38 PM
Very interested in how you will set the boat up. For top end? For all-round? For "offshore"?
Looking forward to the next episode where you reveal your thoughts on engine choices. :thumbsup:
(I commented on your Youtube channel).

Thanks everyone! Yes, we will reveal more as we go. Next episode will discuss engine choices. I would say it's not going to be a top speed boat, more all around and efficient.

ghost28
03-22-2018, 09:46 PM
great project but if i may give one word of advice...Talk to Mark before you move the tank and change the tank size...Those boats are VERY SENSITIVE to weight distribution and there is the Famous YELLOW ACTIVATOR that had some changes made to the tank area and the floor that threw the boat off badly and caused it to porpoise terribly...Mark knew what was wrong with it as that was a boat built by someone else from his molds(long story)....I played with the yellow boat for a few weeks and tried alot of tricks to get the boat to settle down and the ones that worked slowed the boat down significantly....the owner eventually sold the Yellow activator hull with full disclosure of its issues and lost a ton of money....he bought a 22 progression from the factory here in copiague and is extremely happy with its performance....

that being said having owned a 22 activator and run a bunch over the years its a great boat...alot of fun and loves rough water....

WavetoWave
03-22-2018, 11:42 PM
great project but if i may give one word of advice...Talk to Mark before you move the tank and change the tank size...Those boats are VERY SENSITIVE to weight distribution and there is the Famous YELLOW ACTIVATOR that had some changes made to the tank area and the floor that threw the boat off badly and caused it to porpoise terribly...Mark knew what was wrong with it as that was a boat built by someone else from his molds(long story)....I played with the yellow boat for a few weeks and tried alot of tricks to get the boat to settle down and the ones that worked slowed the boat down significantly..
that being said having owned a 22 activator and run a bunch over the years its a great boat...alot of fun and loves rough water....

Thanks Ghost. The tank will probably be just a little smaller and not throw the CG off at all, plus this one will be heavier than that yellow one from what I understand. I may PM you about it though.

ghost28
03-23-2018, 08:28 AM
If you want less capacity i woukd make the tank the same dimensions and just make it lower by a few inches so that the footprint stays the same....

2.5-21
03-23-2018, 09:04 AM
Great Idea to show whats involved in making one of these classics Useable again, Will you be posting material and labor costs? A lot of people think it is a low cost option to purchasing new or well maintained boats.

RobF
03-23-2018, 09:07 AM
those tanks are pretty shallow as it is, and if a subfloor is in the plan to allow the bow to drain to the stern it becomes even shallower
what saves them is the fittings being in the bilge above deck level otherwise the tanks would be like 3-4" high lol

https://i.imgur.com/McI6iSK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/k8c9a4o.jpg

noli
03-23-2018, 11:06 AM
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RobF , who made the interior?

Nice boat! Nice paint!



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ghost28
03-23-2018, 04:10 PM
those tanks are pretty shallow as it is, and if a subfloor is in the plan to allow the bow to drain to the stern it becomes even shallower
what saves them is the fittings being in the bilge above deck level otherwise the tanks would be like 3-4" high lol

https://i.imgur.com/McI6iSK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/k8c9a4o.jpg


Rob havent seen or heard of this yellow one in a while...Hoopz? any idea on its whereabouts?? i remember it was sitting wrapped for a while....

RobF
03-23-2018, 05:40 PM
Rob havent seen or heard of this yellow one in a while...Hoopz? any idea on its whereabouts?? i remember it was sitting wrapped for a while....


He asked me to hide it when Hurricane Sandy was coming, then it sat here for like a year. its been indoor storage in freeport for the last 5 years, I bet he has only used it a dozen times if that since it went to freeport. I have his trailer here. He always says he wants to sell the boat- he has a few kids now and wants to move to LI.

Noli- PPI, aint cheap for those seats but they are nice and fairly light

vnemous
03-23-2018, 05:43 PM
The yellow boat is in Mays Landing, They as of last summer still couldnt get it to run right or fast.

RobF
03-23-2018, 05:46 PM
The yellow boat is in Mays Landing, They as of last summer still couldnt get it to run right or fast.

you talking about hoppy, the yellow/white bottom. and i believe the only 22 activator with a full liner. Everyone tries no one seems to get it normal. I kind of think someone needs to remove the liner and throw it away there is no other explanation for the hop? Be a shame the liner completes the boat nice.
That is not a Mark boat.
Hoops boat I pictured up above is a mark boat, no hop.

wavetowave- is Mark restoring this your boat?

berzerko
03-23-2018, 05:55 PM
When it comes to setting up an activator be it right or wrong keith was the man..... he spent more time setting up and trying different combos than 10 people could!
be it set back, notch/no notch, pad width, tank size and position forward/aft, moving weight around the cockpit and 100,s of different props

as for the yellow boat when Greg owned keith went with him a bunch of times and just could get it right, he though the balance was off and the boat was heavy

RobF
03-23-2018, 05:58 PM
When it comes to setting up an activator be it right or wrong keith was the man..... he spent more time setting up and trying different combos than 10 people could!


the yellow one I showed pictures of was Keith's boat. hoops bought it and we gutted it down to the hull

vnemous
03-23-2018, 06:17 PM
Yes the Hippity Hoppity boat, I told him from day one it was known to have a problem.

berzerko
03-23-2018, 06:52 PM
the yellow one I showed pictures of was Keith's boat. hoops bought it and we gutted it down to the hull
Not ditzels boat
doc nelsons white one, was wils old boat

ghost28
03-23-2018, 10:06 PM
I went over alot of different things on that hopping 22 including pulling it off the trailer and checking the whole bottom for soft spots that could be power hooking and found nothing....i tried a 25 inch mid setti g the motor deeper i tried jacking the motor way high, stock cases sportys, coned cases, left hand case and props....i moved weight all over the place....up own fore and aft....full fuel empty fuel.....the only thing that stopped the hop was a signifigant amount of lead just fwd of the tank in the belly of the boat....at the point where the boat was a dream to drive at 40 to 60 mph with no hop the top speed was in the low 80s....and even then it required more driving and was alot more sensitive than it shoukd have been...when i spoke to mark about it his thoughts were to pull the tank and liner out of the boat and place some weight along the keel keeping it low in the boat would help...personally i think a 200 woulda veen fine on the boat but the 3.0 liters were not happy on it....it had a 250xs and then a brand new 300xs when i was playing with it.....

WavetoWave
03-23-2018, 10:54 PM
you talking about hoppy, the yellow/white bottom. and i believe the only 22 activator with a full liner. Everyone tries no one seems to get it normal. I kind of think someone needs to remove the liner and throw it away there is no other explanation for the hop? Be a shame the liner completes the boat nice.
That is not a Mark boat.
Hoops boat I pictured up above is a mark boat, no hop.

wavetowave- is Mark restoring this your boat?

Hey Rob, thanks. Great work on that Yellow one, looks amazing. You're right about the tank too, it was shoe horned in there and the floor height is very shallow in these. The tank is too big to me, and especially with efficiency of the the new engines, overkill.

I would love to have taken a look at the hoppy one, just to see, seems so strange.

And Yes, the boat is at Mark's shop. I do all the work and he drinks coffee and yells at me. lol.

Old tank
http://i67.tinypic.com/fypn9j.jpg

WavetoWave
03-23-2018, 10:59 PM
Great Idea to show whats involved in making one of these classics Useable again, Will you be posting material and labor costs? A lot of people think it is a low cost option to purchasing new or well maintained boats.

Thanks for the support! That's a good idea. I probably will put some MSRP prices on some of the products, to provide details. We will try and offer a few tips to save on some things too. Labor will be tricky but hopefully we can provide some idea of what it takes.

vnemous
03-24-2018, 07:25 AM
Wasnt the problem with the hoppity boat that the cockpit was moved aft? I could be wrong but it didnt seem to look like Doc's boat.

2.5-21
03-24-2018, 07:25 AM
As far as the Activator that had the hop did the bottom have a hook or rocker? The boat could have been pulled from the mold too soon or the structure could have been built in the boat while out of the mold.
The reasons are numerous.
I do remember back in the early 2000s there was a 21 superboat with similar issues I do not know what was done to fix the problem, I did hear it could have been replaced to avoid a lawsuit.
A friend in the buisness was asked to work on a 24 foot center console that handled poorly. The owner had some day laborer (fiberglass specialist) replace the floor and stringers in boat.
The boat would bow steer and nearly take water over the bow, when it was checked out there was a 10 foot long hook in the bottom. The internal repairs were done while the boat was on blocks. Long story short the boat was flipped over and the hook was filled in and the problem was fixed.

berzerko
03-24-2018, 07:36 AM
Wasnt the problem with the hoppity boat that the cockpit was moved aft? I could be wrong but it didnt seem to look like Doc's boat.
challenger and activator side by side, the activator dash is a good 16-18” back from the challenger
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ghost28
03-24-2018, 07:54 AM
Yes the Hippity Hoppity boat, I told him from day one it was known to have a problem.

Yes that was part of the problem...thats why the weight just fwd of the front tank bulkhead helped the hop....problem was the boat was missing 8 to10mph after enough weight was in there....

ghost28
03-24-2018, 07:58 AM
As far as the Activator that had the hop did the bottom have a hook or rocker? The boat could have been pulled from the mold too soon or the structure could have been built in the boat while out of the mold.
The reasons are numerous.
I do remember back in the early 2000s there was a 21 superboat with similar issues I do not know what was done to fix the problem, I did hear it could have been replaced to avoid a lawsuit.
A friend in the buisness was asked to work on a 24 foot center console that handled poorly. The owner had some day laborer (fiberglass specialist) replace the floor and stringers in boat.
The boat would bow steer and nearly take water over the bow, when it was checked out there was a 10 foot long hook in the bottom. The internal repairs were done while the boat was on blocks. Long story short the boat was flipped over and the hook was filled in and the problem was fixed.

There was ZERO hook or rocker....i spent hours under the boat with an 8ft straightedge and a bottle jack with the boat off the trailer looking for that as well as potential power hook areas and the bottom was perfect....

I have seen a couple of superboats years back that would hook under power and cause a hop...gene barabashes boat was one of them....thats how he ended up with his 24 and john then resold the power hooking 21...

berzerko
03-24-2018, 08:01 AM
Wasn’t the yellow one built at the anchorage? , wasn’t Ronnie involved with rigging it?
it had a tank like a skater originally

ghost28
03-24-2018, 08:04 AM
Hey Rob, thanks. Great work on that Yellow one, looks amazing. You're right about the tank too, it was shoe horned in there and the floor height is very shallow in these. The tank is too big to me, and especially with efficiency of the the new engines, overkill.

I would love to have taken a look at the hoppy one, just to see, seems so strange.

And Yes, the boat is at Mark's shop. I do all the work and he drinks coffee and yells at me. lol.

Old tank
http://i67.tinypic.com/fypn9j.jpg

Had you said the boat was at marks to begun with you woulda saved alot of discussion....lol....your in good hands....listen to him when he tells you ****....one of the great boatbuilding minds....

RobF
03-24-2018, 02:31 PM
hoppity was not built by Mark, but I do believe mark blueprinted the bottom and that is why the bottom is painted white. I do not know if it made a difference back then or how off it was. All I know is when C bought the boat (running with a 250) he was not aware the boat had an issue he didnt even take it for a ride, at least when he sold it he disclosed it.

W2W- you dont HAVE to fill the tank, but if you need more fuel you have cant fit it in. Vnemous knows all about that his boat was originally being set up as an all out bragging rights top end boat and we calculated a 40 gallon tank which is really 30's usable, you run through that pretty quick when you are on the stick. Let Mark drink the coffee and yell at you he knows the boat better then anyone. See if he still has the windscreen mold it gives the boat a nice look

TooStroked
03-24-2018, 05:40 PM
Hey Rob, thanks. Great work on that Yellow one, looks amazing. You're right about the tank too, it was shoe horned in there and the floor height is very shallow in these. The tank is too big to me, and especially with efficiency of the the new engines, overkill.

I would love to have taken a look at the hoppy one, just to see, seems so strange.

And Yes, the boat is at Mark's shop. I do all the work and he drinks coffee and yells at me. lol.

Old tank
http://i67.tinypic.com/fypn9j.jpg
Pictures like that remind me why I'm so glad to boat in fresh water. When I pulled the original tank out of my Progression (after almost 20 years) it had one little hole corroded in it. Man that thing's a mess!

RobF
03-24-2018, 07:09 PM
Pictures like that remind me why I'm so glad to boat in fresh water. When I pulled the original tank out of my Progression (after almost 20 years) it had one little hole corroded in it. Man that thing's a mess!

ONe hole, 2 holes, 5 holes...at that point does it make a difference lol

hoser
03-25-2018, 10:30 AM
Silly question. How long does a tank last for
mine is 30 years old

ghost28
03-25-2018, 10:58 AM
Silly question. How long does a tank last for
mine is 30 years old

Your tank is at the end of its useful life....bbbuuuttt your boat has been kept nice and dry so you should be the exception to the rule....if i had your boat i would wait until it becomes an issue and then fix it....no sense in tearing into an original boat for no reason...

2.5-21
03-25-2018, 01:44 PM
Silly question. How long does a tank last for
mine is 30 years old has the boat been stored outdoors?

Coryc
03-25-2018, 02:07 PM
I had done a similar project to what you are doing. As a young guy just starting out, Mark took me under his wing and completely restored my 21' Superboat with me. It was an awesome experience. He is a great mentor and great friend. And a great person. If theres one thing I learned during that project, its this: Just listen to Mark and youll have a great boat. He's the man.

2.5-21
03-25-2018, 02:10 PM
Hey Guys, thought you would want to follow along on our YouTube channel for our 22 Activator project. We just posted the introduction video and will be updating new episodes weekly or more. I'll try and update on Scream and Fly as well.

Hoping to see some of the NY / CT members on the water this summer, if it ever comes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbvMftXM6k&t=1s Do you plan to Paint the boat or attempt to restore the faded gelcoat?

hoser
03-25-2018, 05:18 PM
Your tank is at the end of its useful life....bbbuuuttt your boat has been kept nice and dry so you should be the exception to the rule....if i had your boat i would wait until it becomes an issue and then fix it....no sense in tearing into an original boat for no reason...


Thats what hat I wanted to hear

WavetoWave
03-25-2018, 08:36 PM
Do you plan to Paint the boat or attempt to restore the faded gelcoat?

Hey everyone, we should be posting episode 2 Tuesday or Wednesday. We'll talk about some engines, a few details about the materials we are going to use. Paint will probably be in a later episode, but yes, it will be painted!

I hate talking about the weather but man this winter is dragging out.

hoser
03-26-2018, 08:01 AM
I know that guy

OrangeCrush
03-26-2018, 09:33 AM
I know that guy

Same logo was on the 24' Twister I bought

WavetoWave
03-26-2018, 11:36 PM
Hey everyone, here is episode 2. Thanks for all the feedback. Subscribe on YouTube if you can. Which engine?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmqgj0fbD20

blacktruck
03-27-2018, 12:10 PM
Hey everyone, here is episode 2. Thanks for all the feedback. Subscribe on YouTube if you can. Which engine?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmqgj0fbD20

I am very interested in the G2 as well. What steering system will you go with?

WavetoWave
03-28-2018, 03:05 PM
I am very interested in the G2 as well. What steering system will you go with?

Front mount, probably UFlex or SeaStar Pro. Unless of course we go G2 HO.

WavetoWave
03-28-2018, 03:09 PM
The 22 Activator came with these cool back seats, 3 person bolster bench. We are going to do new interior but keep this design. I think it's cool.

http://i68.tinypic.com/33x7uz4.jpg

TooStroked
03-28-2018, 03:49 PM
The 22 Activator came with these cool back seats, 3 person bolster bench. We are going to do new interior but keep this design. I think it's cool.

http://i68.tinypic.com/33x7uz4.jpg
Sweet looking, but probably on the heavy side. And one couldn't do that layout without the small hatches on each side to access the storage behind the seat.

ghost28
03-28-2018, 06:37 PM
That 3 person rear bolster kills the boat as far as hanging out on it....if your hangin in a cove who wants to be stufed in a sticky tight bolster...i hated the one in my activator...but to each there own

hoser
03-28-2018, 06:48 PM
And with those bolsters you can't sport fat chicks :reddevil:

WavetoWave
03-28-2018, 06:51 PM
That 3 person rear bolster kills the boat as far as hanging out on it....if your hangin in a cove who wants to be stufed in a sticky tight bolster...i hated the one in my activator...but to each there own

I actually agree with you and TooStroked on that. It looks cool, but will be heavy and not as practical for just hanging out. We are trying to get the weight down a little bit too.

I tried a different microphone on episode 2, but I think 1 was better. Next episode will be more in the shop, so hopefully it works there.

WavetoWave
03-29-2018, 01:16 PM
Looks like the deck is missing

http://i64.tinypic.com/2nhjc5h.jpg

ghost28
03-29-2018, 04:56 PM
Omg....the deck fell off����������

aeneas
04-01-2018, 12:43 AM
Merc 300xs would be my choice for that boat.

noli
04-01-2018, 09:04 AM
The 22 Activator came with these cool back seats, 3 person bolster bench. We are going to do new interior but keep this design. I think it's cool.

http://i68.tinypic.com/33x7uz4.jpg


Awesome thread, please keep the pics coming!

I personally like the bolstered rear bench myself!

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WavetoWave
04-01-2018, 10:08 PM
Episode 3 is coming this week. Lots of work coming up. Some info about materials and ideas. Don't forget to subscribe on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7wqKMz1fpMy7cgRkcIpG9w?)

Getting it ready.

http://i68.tinypic.com/2vlpbbs.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/nmm7m0.jpg

WavetoWave
04-01-2018, 10:10 PM
Awesome thread, please keep the pics coming!

I personally like the bolstered rear bench myself!

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Ya, that looks great Noli.

HydroStreamAE202
04-02-2018, 05:43 PM
Very cool, will be following this build for sure. I just bought a 22 Activator, I will be rigging it with my 2.5 for now until I find some bigger power. Curious to see the set up, I’m trying to learn as much as I can

TooStroked
04-02-2018, 08:03 PM
Very cool, will be following this build for sure. I just bought a 22 Activator, I will be rigging it with my 2.5 for now until I find some bigger power. Curious to see the set up, I’m trying to learn as much as I can

Well have to meet up someday and see how your Activator runs against my Progression!

WavetoWave
04-04-2018, 03:29 PM
Very cool, will be following this build for sure. I just bought a 22 Activator, I will be rigging it with my 2.5 for now until I find some bigger power. Curious to see the set up, I’m trying to learn as much as I can

Nice! The 2.5 will be great on it.

WavetoWave
04-04-2018, 03:30 PM
Episode 3 is up, check it out on YouTube. Will be getting more done this week and will update as we go. Thanks for all the support, subscribe if you can.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdtDmGKfCA

WavetoWave
04-05-2018, 09:27 AM
We are going to talk about paint next. As most of you know, Mark is doing the restoration, and we will talk soon about paint colors and ideas. I already have an idea in my head and I am thinking of doing something simple but different.

So many boats have white base with stripes and or graphics. Looks great usually, but I want to do something a little more "automotive" inspired. Maybe just one color, possibly an accent stripe, but something unique.

I have been really looking at some vintage cars and motorcycles for ideas and I really like the color schemes Singer uses for their custom built Porsches.

What do you guys think?

http://i68.tinypic.com/2lninur.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/x6g0pg.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/anzhbl.jpg

blacktruck
04-05-2018, 05:22 PM
We are going to talk about paint next. As most of you know, Mark is doing the restoration, and we will talk soon about paint colors and ideas. I already have an idea in my head and I am thinking of doing something simple but different.

So many boats have white base with stripes and or graphics. Looks great usually, but I want to do something a little more "automotive" inspired. Maybe just one color, possibly an accent stripe, but something unique.

I have been really looking at some vintage cars and motorcycles for ideas and I really like the color schemes Singer uses for their custom built Porsches.

What do you guys think?

http://i68.tinypic.com/2lninur.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/x6g0pg.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/anzhbl.jpg

All blue would look pretty cool. You don't see that with boats very often. All black looks good too but has some drawbacks.

DanUmbarger
04-05-2018, 10:28 PM
Not a real good pic but I like your all blue thoughts:)403868

HydroStreamAE202
04-06-2018, 08:15 AM
I like like the solid color with an accent stripe or something. It would be cool to see how red would look. I love the look of some of the older red checkmates, red with black up the deck and onto the faring. I wonder if there is a computer program that could allow you to see what colors could look like on the Boat on land and water. Im nnot t computer savvy enough to figure that out. Keep the updates coming.

did you weigh the boat before going to all composite? Id be curious to see how much weight was shaved.




Well have to meet up someday and see how your Activator runs against my Progression!

Sounds good tom. Maybe on Canandaguia lake, or hopefully will have it rigged and ready for the June 2 Keuka fun run.

WavetoWave
04-07-2018, 03:35 PM
I like like the solid color with an accent stripe or something. It would be cool to see how red would look. I love the look of some of the older red checkmates, red with black up the deck and onto the faring. I wonder if there is a computer program that could allow you to see what colors could look like on the Boat on land and water. Im nnot t computer savvy enough to figure that out. Keep the updates coming.

did you weigh the boat before going to all composite? Id be curious to see how much weight was shaved.

I agree, all red can be awesome. This new Nitra in all red looks great. I think we are leaning toward blue or grey?? We didn't weigh the boat, although we believe it weighed about 1,300 Lbs. This one has a solid hull, and since we are leaving the balsa core, I don't think we will see significant weight saving. However, I would guess about 25 to 50 Lbs, not including other weight savings we will have. Boat should be about 100 to 150 Lbs lighter overall best guess.

http://i66.tinypic.com/dzyxr7.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/kbuivl.jpg

hoser
04-07-2018, 05:39 PM
404087I'm kind of fond of stripes

activator22
04-08-2018, 07:19 AM
Are you eliminating the floor forward of the frame in front of the dash up to the bow ?

TooStroked
04-08-2018, 06:32 PM
We are going to talk about paint next. As most of you know, Mark is doing the restoration, and we will talk soon about paint colors and ideas. I already have an idea in my head and I am thinking of doing something simple but different.

So many boats have white base with stripes and or graphics. Looks great usually, but I want to do something a little more "automotive" inspired. Maybe just one color, possibly an accent stripe, but something unique.

I have been really looking at some vintage cars and motorcycles for ideas and I really like the color schemes Singer uses for their custom built Porsches.

What do you guys think?

http://i68.tinypic.com/2lninur.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/x6g0pg.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/anzhbl.jpg
Simpler is always better - and generally more elegant too. If you want my vote on color, the baby blue and gray look sweet. Red is nice, but way to common. Are you going to do a similar stripe?

WavetoWave
04-09-2018, 12:55 PM
Simpler is always better - and generally more elegant too. If you want my vote on color, the baby blue and gray look sweet. Red is nice, but way to common. Are you going to do a similar stripe?

Totally agree, simple is the way we are going. I love blue, so that's probably the direction we are going. Although some grey / off white can look cool.

http://i66.tinypic.com/bg6woy.jpg


http://i67.tinypic.com/208ii4z.jpg

WavetoWave
04-09-2018, 12:56 PM
Hoping to get Episode 4 up later this week. Looking forward to getting to the good stuff. This weather is really brutal here in NY though. Still feels like winter, no end in sight.

vnemous
04-09-2018, 02:50 PM
Weekend suppose to be in the 70.. no excuses:D

berzerko
04-09-2018, 03:03 PM
[QUOTE=WavetoWave;3033665]We are going to talk about paint next. As most of you know, Mark is doing the restoration, and we will talk soon about paint colors and ideas. I already have an idea in my head and I am thinking of doing something simple but different.



http://i68.tinypic.com/2lninur.jpg


Baby blue with off white or gray 404331 my vote

WavetoWave
04-20-2018, 12:45 PM
Episode 4 is up. We talk about colors and a small design change to the transom. We were waiting for some materials, and next episode we will be in the shop to do the transom and stringers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj5zzHkIFWE

blacktruck
04-21-2018, 12:40 AM
Video quality is pretty good. Nice Scarab illustration in the background.

vnemous
04-21-2018, 06:02 AM
21 super splash well delete by Raybo
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tux974
04-22-2018, 05:13 AM
I see your a Porsche guy so Im sure it will be an awesome project no matter what you decide......;):D
Very nice job on video display of your make over/project!.....:thumbsup:

WavetoWave
04-22-2018, 11:16 PM
I see your a Porsche guy so Im sure it will be an awesome project no matter what you decide......;):D
Very nice job on video display of your make over/project!.....:thumbsup:

Thanks, next episode will be more in the shop and hopefully less of me in front of the camera :D

I'd say I admire those Porsches, definitely out of my price range!

WavetoWave
04-22-2018, 11:17 PM
21 super splash well delete by Raybo
405232

Thank you!! Love the projects Raybo has done. This is great.

RobF
04-23-2018, 09:15 AM
Version 2.0

https://i.imgur.com/hXOJPtV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8Z6eSPi.jpg

WavetoWave
04-30-2018, 12:57 PM
Thanks Rob, that looks great. Much cleaner than the original well.

Version 2.0

https://i.imgur.com/hXOJPtV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8Z6eSPi.jpg

WavetoWave
04-30-2018, 01:00 PM
Episode 5 is coming up. The new transom is in, stringers glassed in. We are moving along. Sorry for the delay. Crazy busy lately with projects and life in general!!

Quick shot of the stringers.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2lid5vt.jpg

WavetoWave
05-07-2018, 04:48 PM
And Episode 5 is up, the transom, and stringers are in. In this episode we move things to the shop, where we look at the transom and stringer install. We talk about how the stringers were formed to fit perfectly to the hull, bonded in place, and we used 2408 fiberglass to glass everything in. The resin used is a proprietary resin Mark at Rage Powerboats likes to use. We also discuss the fuel tank plans and putting in the reinforcing tabs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnBiOyYZlzA

blacktruck
05-07-2018, 04:58 PM
Thanks. What size tank will be used?

WavetoWave
05-09-2018, 09:46 AM
Thanks. What size tank will be used?

I think about a 50 or 60 gal tank. The original is a 70 gal I think??? New engine should be way more efficient so range should be fine.

berzerko
05-09-2018, 11:14 AM
70? standard in this style boat was 55-60

WavetoWave
05-09-2018, 11:52 AM
70? standard in this style boat was 55-60

Some Activators had 64 gallon tanks, some seemed to have 70. Too big either way.

http://i67.tinypic.com/fypn9j.jpg

2.5-21
05-09-2018, 04:08 PM
Some Activators had 64 gallon tanks, some seemed to have 70. Too big either way.

http://i67.tinypic.com/fypn9j.jpg
A larger or close to original size fuel tank may help in future re-sale, Ask VNEMOUS with the 21 super.

vnemous
05-09-2018, 06:56 PM
A larger or close to original size fuel tank may help in future re-sale, Ask VNEMOUS with the 21 super.

More like its just nice if you wanna go on a long run at WOT. Keep in mind a 4 stk or Opti might get better gas milage than my 300x but at WOT they are all the same and drink 40 gals quickly. However I dont think I will ever have a problem with selling my super:D

WavetoWave
05-09-2018, 07:10 PM
I think 50 gallons is plenty, I'll be pretty light on the throttle. I'm getting too old for top speed runs. :cheers:

I think that new Mercury four stroke V6, and the G2 are really efficient anyway.

WavetoWave
05-09-2018, 07:19 PM
Missed this part for the video, I was out of town and Mark was forging ahead.

http://i66.tinypic.com/dpygt1.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/20rms5u.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/29wvj85.jpg

activator22
05-10-2018, 08:21 AM
Correct - mine is a 1990 model and the original tank was a 70 gallon - switching to a ~50 gal tank allowed me to make some useful storage space right under the dash. Smaller tank size has not been a limiting factor with the type of boating I do.


Some Activators had 64 gallon tanks, some seemed to have 70. Too big either way.

activator22
05-10-2018, 08:24 AM
Are you keeping the notch in the bottom or filling it in ?

WavetoWave
05-10-2018, 09:16 AM
Are you keeping the notch in the bottom or filling it in ?

We are going to keep the notch. Is yours notched? Would love to see pics of yours, the red looks great.

89LASER
05-10-2018, 09:32 AM
I've been keeping up on this build. I had purchased a 22 Activator a few months back and are in the process of re-rigging the boat.

activator22
05-10-2018, 10:02 AM
Mine is notched. I want to fill it with the heavier 3.0 motor that's on it now, just haven't had the time.


We are going to keep the notch. Is yours notched? Would love to see pics of yours, the red looks great.

WavetoWave
05-10-2018, 10:17 AM
I've been keeping up on this build. I had purchased a 22 Activator a few months back and are in the process of re-rigging the boat.

Awesome. I love these boats. Great to see another in good hands. Keep us posted. When are you hoping to get it on the water?

WavetoWave
05-10-2018, 10:21 AM
Mine is notched. I want to fill it with the heavier 3.0 motor that's on it now, just haven't had the time.

Ya, it's a lot of work. Some have good results. I think with the right setup it should be okay though with the notch.

89LASER
05-10-2018, 11:10 AM
I ripped out every piece of wiring, B/S stereo unit and amp, replaced all wiring and installed a new stereo. Now I just have to re-finish the gear case and I should be in the water in a couple of weeks. Mine has the engine on a set back with no engine well.

89LASER
05-12-2018, 05:28 PM
I had my fuel tank bone dry, had the sender out, made sure it was clean. Figured it was a 63 or 70 gallon tank......Nope. Only took about 35 gallons.

HydroStreamAE202
05-16-2018, 09:36 PM
I've been keeping up on this build. I had purchased a 22 Activator a few months back and are in the process of re-rigging the boat.

Laser what are you doing for setup? I am still in the process of rigging mine. Seems to be taking longer than I hoped, but curious what motor/setback you are doing. ?

wave what did mark have to say about the notch? Keep calm fill?

89LASER
05-17-2018, 06:32 AM
Set up is a flat transom with a set back and a hydraulic transom mounted to that. For now, I have a 2.4 liter 200 on it with a Bobs low water pick up nose cone. I haven't had it in the water yet but if you want, I'll send you some pictures. Just I/M me your phone number.

89LASER
05-17-2018, 06:34 AM
407542Same set up as this one. I don't know those boat this is, I uploaded a picture from this site.

WavetoWave
05-17-2018, 10:04 AM
Laser what are you doing for setup? I am still in the process of rigging mine. Seems to be taking longer than I hoped, but curious what motor/setback you are doing. ?

wave what did mark have to say about the notch? Keep calm fill?

We didn't talk about it too much. The notch measures about 7" and we are probably going with a 6 to 8 inch jackplate, depending on which engine we go with. So, that's about right for setback. If we filled it, we would be running more setback, you'd have more running surface, but I'm not sure it's worth it.

Other similar hulls with notches run really well.

berzerko
05-17-2018, 01:09 PM
That is keith's old boat he removed the notch.... ran better without it, not so sure about the notch is their to reduce set back... in theory yes
But there's more involved than that, set back is really about balance and where you want the running surface to be. More positive trim will also get you there but at the expense of forward thrust

Keith had 100's of hours of set up into that boat, some of his settings I would not agree with
He thought running on the last 6" of the bottom was faster :eek:, but in the end he did realize there has to be a happy medium

I know marked tried all different notch depths, If memory serves me keiths boat had like 12"

Unfortunately he's out of the game he really liked to record all or outings

https://youtu.be/Q3S08L6cgcY

HydroStreamAE202
05-17-2018, 02:38 PM
Talking to Keith last summer I think he had his pad widened as well. At one point he was running 19” of setback. Not sure if he kept that set up after he filled in the notch. I’ll have to check my notes

89LASER
05-22-2018, 11:08 AM
Any progress on this project?

WavetoWave
05-22-2018, 11:56 AM
Any progress on this project?


Yes! was just going to update. I am going back out for some more footage and have the next episode up soon. Bulkheads have been almost complete, and next phase will be to finish up inside the hull. Measure for new tank etc.

One thing I am thinking a lot about is the engine now. And, with the new Mercury's it makes it even more difficult. Here's what I am thinking. I was kind of sold on going with a 225 HP engine, for combination of performance and budget.

1. Mercury V6 3.4 225 - add after market solid mounts (digital controls)
2. Mercury V8 ProXS 225 (digital) add solid mounts
3. G2 225 - aftermarket solid mounts (digital)
4. Yamaha SHO 225 - aftermarket solid mounts (mechanical)
5. Racing 250R (comes mechanical only for now)

The mercury V6 wins on weight, and price. The Yamaha is a close second. The 250R is tempting because out of the box it is excellent, already has solid mounts, would prefer digital, but not a deal breaker. A little pricey though.

What do you guys think?

blacktruck
05-22-2018, 01:53 PM
250r
225 sho

LMT383
05-22-2018, 07:44 PM
G2 225

WavetoWave
05-24-2018, 05:33 PM
Episode 6 is up, we show the bulkheads installed, talk about the notch in the transom and if we might fill it. Plus, we talk about the engines.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7DCtmN68UA&t=21s

89LASER
05-31-2018, 07:58 AM
Any progress or picked and engine yet? I got mine in the water and love the ride. No top end yet, the engine is giving me a couple of problems I'm working out. The Gremlins in this motor surfaced and the eviction notice has been handed to them.

WavetoWave
06-01-2018, 09:41 PM
Any progress or picked and engine yet? I got mine in the water and love the ride. No top end yet, the engine is giving me a couple of problems I'm working out. The Gremlins in this motor surfaced and the eviction notice has been handed to them.

Yes, will have a new video up soon. The next couple of weeks will really push along. Have to pick a color soon, engine etc.

Sorry to hear about your engine. You have the 225 Yamaha HPDI? How much setback are you running?

WavetoWave
06-01-2018, 09:44 PM
Progress

http://i67.tinypic.com/333g68o.jpg

WavetoWave
06-01-2018, 09:46 PM
I think I am leaning toward a Merc or Yamaha, 225 HP. Boat color, leaning toward silver, or red.

89LASER
06-02-2018, 06:00 PM
I have a 2.4 liter 200 Mercury with a 12" setback and a 4"hydraulic transom on that. Rides real nice in chop, so far 61 mph but needs more prop, turning 6100 rpm but then the Gremlin returns. I didn't build this engine so I don't know what's done to it.

WavetoWave
06-03-2018, 04:35 PM
I have a 2.4 liter 200 Mercury with a 12" setback and a 4"hydraulic transom on that. Rides real nice in chop, so far 61 mph but needs more prop, turning 6100 rpm but then the Gremlin returns. I didn't build this engine so I don't know what's done to it.

Sounds like you'll be in good shape when you get those gremlins.

vnemous
06-03-2018, 04:56 PM
Just my opinion but boat will be pretty boring at mid 70 mph and you soon will want more HP.

WavetoWave
06-03-2018, 10:01 PM
Just my opinion but boat will be pretty boring at mid 70 mph and you soon will want more HP.

For me, I think a 225 or 250 is perfect for that boat. Boat should be a little lighter now, hull should be nice and straight and maybe perform better than new. I hear you though, trying to keep it within a certain budget too. If any of you want to get me a 250R or 300R for an early birthday present, I will gladly accept!

WavetoWave
06-04-2018, 02:17 PM
Episode 7 is up, a quick one showing the support tabs glassed in and front bulkhead. 55 Gallon tank is ordered. Should get really busy soon, hardware, engine choice and paint color.


https://youtu.be/xBKvC78thWw

activator22
06-05-2018, 08:26 AM
Couple of questions -
1. The original bow bulkhead was a ring frame, ie it was connected across the top, which added support to the deck as well. What's the plan as far as support for the deck in that area now ?
2. I know Mark built some of the hulls with a pair of stringers on each half of the hull, as well as the configuration yours has with the diagonal tabs. Curious as to the change between the two different methods if he wouldn't mind sharing and which one he would use if building new now ?
3. Not sure if you mentioned it in an earlier episode, what are your plans for the floor - (he had a mold for that on his later builds) ?

WavetoWave
06-05-2018, 11:56 AM
Couple of questions -
1. The original bow bulkhead was a ring frame, ie it was connected across the top, which added support to the deck as well. What's the plan as far as support for the deck in that area now ?
2. I know Mark built some of the hulls with a pair of stringers on each half of the hull, as well as the configuration yours has with the diagonal tabs. Curious as to the change between the two different methods if he wouldn't mind sharing and which one he would use if building new now ?
3. Not sure if you mentioned it in an earlier episode, what are your plans for the floor - (he had a mold for that on his later builds) ?

Ya, the support tabs are because of the lack of room for full stringers. Ones that do have them, may have a higher floor? But I'm not sure.

We will put a new floor in, composite, not sure if he has the mold for it still. But the plan is to either do a snap out carpet, or SeaDek for the finishing surface.

Fandango
06-06-2018, 09:18 AM
What a great thread! My first performance boat was a 22' activator and it was one of my favorites, I loved that thing! Best of luck!

WavetoWave
06-06-2018, 07:11 PM
What a great thread! My first performance boat was a 22' activator and it was one of my favorites, I loved that thing! Best of luck!

Thank you! You've had some great boats it looks like. Hopefully see you on the water!

WavetoWave
06-11-2018, 08:43 PM
Measuring for the interior has started. Floor will go in. Filled the dash. You can see how the bulkheads were tied into the deck. That will be removed, along with some other repairs to the deck.

I think I'm pretty much decided on color, and engine.

Notice that color difference in the faded blue:
http://i66.tinypic.com/2qlhitc.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/2dup9c.jpg

Filled dash:
http://i63.tinypic.com/2qn2hk5.jpg

blacktruck
06-12-2018, 08:55 PM
I have a 2.4 liter 200 Mercury with a 12" setback and a 4"hydraulic transom on that. Rides real nice in chop, so far 61 mph but needs more prop, turning 6100 rpm but then the Gremlin returns. I didn't build this engine so I don't know what's done to it.

Is yours the white one that was for sale in Georgia a while back? If so, it looked really nice.

HydroStreamAE202
06-12-2018, 08:59 PM
Is yours the white one that was for sale in Georgia a while back? If so, it looked really nice.

That one was mine. I brought it back up to ny. Just got it rigged and running last weekend.

89LASER
06-13-2018, 06:16 AM
I bought mine from here on Long Island with no power on it. Re-rigged the boat, all new wiring. The only thing I still want to do (besides a bigger engine) is get rid of the glue down carpet. I love the way the boat handles the rough water.

89LASER
06-13-2018, 06:17 AM
HSAE202, how's yours running? RPM's and speed?

Diamond Performance
06-13-2018, 09:53 AM
Will Rage/Activator still make a new 22ft?

WavetoWave
06-13-2018, 02:54 PM
Will Rage/Activator still make a new 22ft?

No, Mark doesn't have the molds.

WavetoWave
06-13-2018, 02:57 PM
I bought mine from here on Long Island with no power on it. Re-rigged the boat, all new wiring. The only thing I still want to do (besides a bigger engine) is get rid of the glue down carpet. I love the way the boat handles the rough water.

Nice. Is the floor solid? I am really thinking about that SeaDek stuff, or snap out carpet. I hate snaps though.

2.5-21
06-13-2018, 04:37 PM
Rino lining comes in colors too, Would look good with a pattern taped out in 2 colors on the floor
Any Interior options yet?

HydroStreamAE202
06-13-2018, 04:52 PM
HSAE202, how's yours running? RPM's and speed?


Both my tach and speedometer were not working so I’m not sure on performance numbers yet. I was just happy to be out running around without overheating. I had a water pump issue earlier this year my first sea trial

89LASER
06-14-2018, 06:31 AM
The floor was re-done supposedly when the tank was replaced and is solid, I don't know what size tank is in it right now but I drained it, gave the fuel to my son for his boat and will re-fuel it full next time I go out.

WavetoWave
06-14-2018, 09:41 AM
Rino lining comes in colors too, Would look good with a pattern taped out in 2 colors on the floor
Any Interior options yet?

I wouldn't recommend Rhino Liner in a boat, it would look awful in my opinion, be brutal to remove, hard to clean, and not a great feel.

The upholstery is probably going to be red.

WavetoWave
06-14-2018, 10:08 AM
This is the SeaDek, looks pretty sharp, durable.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2hgw7so.jpg

Woven vinyl called Infinity. Looks good.
http://i63.tinypic.com/radi1e.jpg

Vinyl

http://i68.tinypic.com/ws4vad.jpg

Traditional carpet

http://i67.tinypic.com/24wtv0y.jpg

89LASER
06-14-2018, 10:50 AM
I saw this on Ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/94-x35-Marine-Boat-Flooring-EVA-Foam-Yacht-Teak-Decking-Sheet-Carpet-Floor-Pad/292250528716?hash=item440b7d2bcc:m:mdZPeyGALvTOxsKY1Crm8Mw

WavetoWave
06-26-2018, 01:21 PM
I saw this on Ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/94-x35-Marine-Boat-Flooring-EVA-Foam-Yacht-Teak-Decking-Sheet-Carpet-Floor-Pad/292250528716?hash=item440b7d2bcc:m:mdZPeyGALvTOxsKY1Crm8Mw


That looks pretty good. How is yours running now? Any updates?

WavetoWave
06-26-2018, 02:23 PM
We will have an episode update this week. Sorry about the delay, been swamped. Narrowed down the choices. As soon as the engine is ordered, will order the jack plate and some other hardware.

The look of the G2 is growing on me. The new Mercs are so different.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2uhs2ld.jpg

89LASER
06-26-2018, 02:25 PM
Mines doing good, been out on it a lot, saw 62 mph at 5800 rpm, speed up and slip down. Running in the rough, 66 and 61-6200.

tripower
06-27-2018, 08:01 PM
The Activator hull is a pretty modern looking design, I'd pick the SeaDek. Looks great. Can't imagine what it costs to have a template made, though.

WavetoWave
06-28-2018, 10:29 PM
The new fuel tank arrived. Might wait for more progress before another episode. More parts will be ordered soon.

http://i68.tinypic.com/sphvli.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/2lmnimv.jpg

tux974
06-29-2018, 04:38 AM
Coming along very nicely!

vnemous
06-29-2018, 06:45 AM
Fill and vent in the front, smart

XstreamVking
06-29-2018, 06:57 AM
Tank coating?/ Support plans? You might need a little more glass on the outboard ends of your angled penske blocks. That is where they would want to shear if the bottom flexes. Covering the edges of your 1708 tabs with some matt would make them a lot stronger also. Just a suggestion.... Very neat glass work.

2.5-21
06-29-2018, 07:19 AM
Who made the tank?

2jz
06-29-2018, 08:00 AM
Tank coating?/ Support plans? You might need a little more glass on the outboard ends of your angled penske blocks. That is where they would want to shear if the bottom flexes. Covering the edges of your 1708 tabs with some matt would make them a lot stronger also. Just a suggestion.... Very neat glass work.

Im very interested to see what he does also. tank coating,support,protection.
When i did mine in my 27 activator i researched, asked for feed back on pros and cons.
Coat tank with tar,rubber pads on side,weld support to tank bolt to stringers,dont foam tank wouldnt last long. I still foamed in tank because after all my research still found tanks breaking weld supports. One boat manufacture state foam is best method because coating they didnt know what effects coating would have on tank over time and with foam access hatch that is removed sometime to help with moisture keeps foam dry to prolong life of tank

Radiant
06-29-2018, 10:20 AM
Yank looks nice and well built.

I prefer a coated tank. And I don't like bolting the tank to the stringers. On my lake and bay hull I coated the tanks, foamed them in, then cut the foam flush with the top and put a layer of glass over the top.

RobF
06-30-2018, 06:48 AM
jeez i really hope Mark from Activator/Rage is paying attention to all this so he knows how to do it

(im kidding thats sarcasm lol )

XstreamVking
06-30-2018, 09:12 AM
Looking back at the original build, it had the roving tailed, and the stiffeners had more glass covering them. But, i'm sure the boat will be bullet proof and look perfect when done.

WavetoWave
06-30-2018, 12:46 PM
Who made the tank?

SP Sheet Metal.

WavetoWave
06-30-2018, 12:49 PM
Fill and vent in the front, smart

Ya, should be easier to fill. Will be ass heavy for sure.

vnemous
06-30-2018, 02:58 PM
I have to put at least two people on the bow when in the water to fill at a marina. On the trailer its fine.

RobF
06-30-2018, 08:38 PM
I have to put at least two people on the bow when in the water to fill at a marina. On the trailer its fine.

Your vents from the front, we discuss this already. Maybe because it’s a smaller tank it doesn’t like being filled when not more leveled out

thats a off the shelf tank in there maybe he uses a spec tank but all other variations of this boat have fills in the aft end (SB,progression,activator,etc)
maybe he is onto something

vnemous
07-01-2018, 06:13 AM
Im sure its just the way the boat sits in the water. A couple other guys with this hull say the same thing. When in florida the guys there who had them said "oh you need some guys on the bow". Rob I know we talked of this and its nothing to do with you but when they weld that tube to the inside top of the tank and you cant see it there is just no way to know its still up there. I've talked to John Gallo at Atlantic Coastal Welding who makes most the tanks for this area and he not a fan of that style. Is what it is.

89LASER
07-02-2018, 06:23 AM
Good idea putting the fuel fill and vents to the front of the tank and the mid tank fuel sender. To fill mine I do it on a level surface on the trailer. The fuel sender is in the back and reads full till you hit 1/2 tank, the the needle on the gauge will finally move a little. I used a WEMA style fuel sender.

XstreamVking
07-02-2018, 06:40 AM
When building tanks it is futile to fight physics. Liquid flowing downhill and all of the air being displaced going up and out is what you have to allow. I always shook my head at the tanks with the fill fitting below the surface of the liquid, and vent tubes running all over under the top of the tank. Built to fail.....The tank shown is close to right. Vent should be nearest the front of the tank, followed by the fill. But it is close enough to work well.

RobF
07-02-2018, 09:26 AM
When building tanks it is futile to fight physics. Liquid flowing downhill and all of the air being displaced going up and out is what you have to allow. I always shook my head at the tanks with the fill fitting below the surface of the liquid, and vent tubes running all over under the top of the tank. Built to fail.....The tank shown is close to right. Vent should be nearest the front of the tank, followed by the fill. But it is close enough to work well.

Yes it is physics, but its also design limitations. A boat that only has 6 tall stringers now you not only lose 2 of tank height but you also have to notch at least 2 of the stringers to clear the hoses and its another inspection/access plate.

Skaters,progression,activator,superboat, just off the top of my head those are boats with the fills in the aft end of the tank and all those boats sit ass heavy.

XstreamVking
07-02-2018, 09:36 AM
Yes, I know the dilemma. Built some boats with low floors and short stringers myself.

WavetoWave
07-09-2018, 03:52 PM
Update on the project
https://www.wavetowave.com/home/2018/7/9/project-activator-episode-8-hardware-parts-and-colors

http://i63.tinypic.com/erwr6g.jpg

WavetoWave
07-17-2018, 09:48 PM
A new episode is up. Sorry for the delay. More progress is in the works so hopefully another video next week with major updates.


Fuel tank, and rotten core in deck.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqq6ZNy5v7U

Fandango
07-18-2018, 11:20 AM
Great stuff. I sat down the other night and watched all the videos...so great watching it come together, a nice stroll down memory lane with all the fun I had with mine

WavetoWave
07-18-2018, 12:04 PM
Great stuff. I sat down the other night and watched all the videos...so great watching it come together, a nice stroll down memory lane with all the fun I had with mine

Thanks man, I wish I was on the water soon!

WavetoWave
07-18-2018, 12:09 PM
Parts are trickling in!

http://i65.tinypic.com/345l89w.jpg

WavetoWave
07-24-2018, 05:10 PM
Some parts from Livorsi Marine came in, update coming soon.

http://i68.tinypic.com/15yyko8.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/2zivmfa.jpg

Really like this wheel.
http://i67.tinypic.com/2cpvrdd.jpg

89LASER
07-25-2018, 09:28 AM
Well I blew up my 2.4 200 last time out. That was a 20" motor that I had to run way down on the hydraulic jack plate, engine would get wet from the backwash on slow down. I got a 225 3.0 liter 25" motor to run on it now. I'll let you know the difference after the weekend.

WavetoWave
07-25-2018, 11:51 AM
Well I blew up my 2.4 200 last time out. That was a 20" motor that I had to run way down on the hydraulic jack plate, engine would get wet from the backwash on slow down. I got a 225 3.0 liter 25" motor to run on it now. I'll let you know the difference after the weekend.

That's too bad about the engine going. Sounds like you got an upgrade though. Let me know how your setback works with the 3.0.

89LASER
07-26-2018, 06:22 AM
I had it up to 69 mph on the GPS speedo with the 200. I'll start with the same 24 pitch Trophy prop to give it an accurate test. According to the Mercury Prop Slip calculator, I was down to about 4% slip.

WavetoWave
08-02-2018, 08:22 PM
Here is episode 9 of Project Activator, we look at the floor and the tank is installed. Last week we posted some pictures of new Livorsi gauges, but we changed our mind on the size and color, so we talk about that too.

And, we disclose the color we are painting it, plus a hint as to what engine we got. See if you can guess.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j68hQv2xdkg

WavetoWave
08-02-2018, 09:42 PM
Some more pictures and details here: https://www.wavetowave.com/home/2018/8/2/project-activator-episode-9-fuel-tank-and-floor-installation


Here's an example of the gauges we originally got, can you see the white ring between the dial and the rim? It kind of changed the look for me. The new oversize ones with the platinum dial will look better I think.

http://i68.tinypic.com/15yyko8.jpg

89LASER
08-06-2018, 09:22 AM
Back in the water with the 225 3.0 liter carbed Mercury. First day out 73 mph/GPS with the Trophy 24 pitch. I had the tach set wrong so it was reading low. Going from the 20" 2.4 liter to the 25" 3.0 liter totally changed the attitude of the boat.

WavetoWave
08-06-2018, 10:38 AM
Back in the water with the 225 3.0 liter carbed Mercury. First day out 73 mph/GPS with the Trophy 24 pitch. I had the tach set wrong so it was reading low. Going from the 20" 2.4 liter to the 25" 3.0 liter totally changed the attitude of the boat.

Great, how did it handle. That's a huge change.

WavetoWave
08-06-2018, 11:32 AM
As per the episode, the tank was installed, foamed in. Hoping we can turn the boat over soon and start getting the the hull repaired and blueprinted.

Like a glove

http://i68.tinypic.com/9tzldx.jpg

89LASER
08-06-2018, 01:26 PM
The 3.0 liter made it lift the bow more with less trim from the weight difference, and the hole shot better with the extra torque. A little more flighty at top end.

XstreamVking
08-08-2018, 03:20 PM
Raw, uncoated aluminum tank....

WavetoWave
08-09-2018, 09:39 AM
Raw, uncoated aluminum tank....

Yes, in this case the coating isn't really necessary because of the way it is installed. It should last 40+ years this way. I'm pretty old, so much longer than I will last.

WavetoWave
08-09-2018, 10:07 AM
The new gauges arrived. I think they're going to look way better. Boat will be silver.

http://i63.tinypic.com/ev3lm8.jpg

WavetoWave
08-09-2018, 11:02 AM
Moving along with the floor. Glassing everything in.

http://i66.tinypic.com/34y4ub9.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/1z5kgzm.jpg

blacktruck
08-09-2018, 11:54 AM
So it's a Mercury or Evinrude then.

WavetoWave
08-09-2018, 12:41 PM
http://i63.tinypic.com/vwvbcp.jpg

89LASER
08-16-2018, 01:35 PM
Any updates on the build? Now that we know it's an Evinrude, but what horse power did you go with? Looks like a 300 on the vin number.

WavetoWave
08-16-2018, 03:36 PM
Will have a new video up shortly.

WavetoWave
08-16-2018, 03:37 PM
Any updates on the build? Now that we know it's an Evinrude, but what horse power did you go with? Looks like a 300 on the vin number.

That's not our engine actually. But close, it will be the 250 HO.

David
08-16-2018, 07:38 PM
Great choice of engine. I'm a two stroke guy at heart and partial to Evinrude. Even though I just bought a 200XS for my Allison.

WavetoWave
08-17-2018, 10:36 AM
Great choice of engine. I'm a two stroke guy at heart and partial to Evinrude. Even though I just bought a 200XS for my Allison.

Thanks David. As a true Merc guy myself, I thought it would be fun to change it up! The G2 is supposed to be awesome. That 200XS is a great engine for the Allison, can't go wrong there.

WavetoWave
08-17-2018, 11:58 AM
Floor

http://i63.tinypic.com/5yan3o.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/2i9gtc1.jpg

WavetoWave
08-17-2018, 03:08 PM
Finney's wind deflectors:

http://i65.tinypic.com/2vcj0h3.jpg

Angled and curved:


http://i63.tinypic.com/246vrwj.jpg

Greg G
08-17-2018, 07:32 PM
Finney's wind deflectors:Angled and curved:


I thought that Finney's was out of the business. Nice to see they are still turning out a solid product.

WavetoWave
09-05-2018, 02:47 PM
Long delay but new episode is up. We wrote up the details too. The boat is turned over and things are moving along now.


https://youtu.be/rV0Q-NuKxWc

WavetoWave
09-05-2018, 02:52 PM
More details in the write up here.

https://www.wavetowave.com/home/2018/9/5/project-activator-episode-10-floor-engine-paint-and-hull-blueprinting


http://i68.tinypic.com/m79s9u.jpg

blacktruck
09-06-2018, 11:32 AM
I don't know about the black hullside with silver. Looks okay on this Donzi. But I think all one color looks better.

http://i68.tinypic.com/2zh33pg.png

WavetoWave
09-06-2018, 03:09 PM
To me that looks really good. But I do agree, all silver might look better. May have to rethink it.


I don't know about the black hullside with silver. Looks okay on this Donzi. But I think all one color looks better.

http://i68.tinypic.com/2zh33pg.png

Greg G
09-06-2018, 03:11 PM
I don't know about the black hullside with silver. Looks okay on this Donzi. But I think all one color looks better.

I agree, all silver will make the hull look longer also. :thumbsup:

DanUmbarger
09-06-2018, 03:32 PM
Black accent stripes would look very cool also.

2jz
09-22-2018, 05:02 PM
Episode 5 is coming up. The new transom is in, stringers glassed in. We are moving along. Sorry for the delay. Crazy busy lately with projects and life in general!!

Quick shot of the stringers.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2lid5vt.jpg

What would a job like this cost someone redoing stringers and transom on 22ft hull and a 32ft hull

WavetoWave
09-23-2018, 06:53 PM
What would a job like this cost someone redoing stringers and transom on 22ft hull and a 32ft hull

The best thing to do would be to talk to a local shop, that way they can see what you have, and recommend the materials and work needed.

89LASER
09-23-2018, 08:33 PM
How many twin engine 22' Activators were made?

blacktruck
09-23-2018, 10:32 PM
How many twin engine 22' Activators were made?

I don't think I've seen one.

blkmtrfan
09-24-2018, 11:46 AM
I don't think I've seen one.

Me either, but who needs two motors ;)

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wotjohn
09-24-2018, 12:39 PM
Floor

http://i63.tinypic.com/5yan3o.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/2i9gtc1.jpg

Do you glass the bottom side of floor before installing

89LASER
09-24-2018, 01:37 PM
I have a feeling mine was a twin engine at some time in its life. The old bolt holes that were filled in the transom looked like it had twin Gill Marine pipe style engine brackets on it.

blkmtrfan
09-24-2018, 02:23 PM
I have a feeling mine was a twin engine at some time in its life. The old bolt holes that were filled in the transom looked like it had twin Gill Marine pipe style engine brackets on it.

Interesting, have you searched for any old pictures or talked to previous owners?

89LASER
09-24-2018, 08:21 PM
No I haven't searched or talked to the previous owners. After I bought the boat, the previous owner would not answer my text or phone call for a stereo face plate he owed me.

berzerko
09-25-2018, 12:37 PM
I know herb set one up with twins have a pic somewhere?

89LASER
09-26-2018, 10:13 AM
If you could post the pictures, I'd like to see them, see the reg numbers or hull number and maybe match it to my boat.

89LASER
09-27-2018, 02:20 PM
Any updates on the build?

89LASER
10-15-2018, 11:30 AM
Updates?

WavetoWave
10-15-2018, 02:04 PM
Hey guys, thanks for the interest. Because both Mark and I had some other projects that got in the way, the Activator was delayed a bit. We should be back on track next week.

Latest is that the hull is being blueprinted, and next we will look at the deck, and it needs some repairs.

This time has me second guessing my color choice! All red?

http://i68.tinypic.com/w8x0me.jpg

89LASER
12-04-2018, 11:24 AM
Have you got back to working on the hull? Red would look great on that hull.

WavetoWave
12-04-2018, 11:37 PM
Yes, we did an update article, but the video won't be up until later this week. We did have some delays. Hopefully back on track. I got involved with so many projects that I had a hard time keeping up. Working on some new stuff which we will announce soon too.

Here is the article, video coming. This week we should be looking at the deck and repairs there. Looking more like I might go with a white hull side, and keep it Awlgrip on the bottom for durability. Things should go pretty smoothly from here on in.

https://www.wavetowave.com/home/2018/11/19/project-activator-episode-11-blueprinting-and-update

WavetoWave
12-11-2018, 05:59 PM
We added a video for Episode 11. We talk about the repairs, blueprinting and some of the features of the Evinrude G2, like the ability to switch between hand and foot throttle with a button!


https://youtu.be/baff5foZwNo

David
12-11-2018, 09:11 PM
hand to foot throttle at a button sounded very cool, so I looked it up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABp9l-1VfLQ

2.5-21
12-12-2018, 08:43 AM
Is that a standard feature on the G2? As well as the Display?

WavetoWave
12-12-2018, 02:27 PM
Is that a standard feature on the G2? As well as the Display?

It's not really standard. You need a screen, even just the 3.5 small one works though, but that is optional. So you can't just run gauges without a display and use that feature. Those screens are pricey, even the little one.

LMT383
01-09-2019, 11:39 PM
Any Progress?

sick_nick
01-10-2019, 06:52 PM
Any Progress?

I've been patiently waiting as well...

WavetoWave
01-10-2019, 11:41 PM
Any Progress?

Yes, I'm sorry for all the delays. I was away for a while and just got back. Will have an update probably Monday.

WavetoWave
01-16-2019, 09:36 PM
Here's episode 12, fresh off the press. Making some progress. Deck is being repaired right now. Will go to paint in the next couple of weeks. Will update as that comes along. Then the fun stuff.

In the video, I forgot to mention it is Awlcraft SE, with Awlcraft 2000 clear. And, I apologize for the audio, the grinder was running in the background, so there was no way to record the audio well.


https://youtu.be/EfQ2MZBbw4A

activator22
01-17-2019, 07:53 PM
In the vid, you mention having to remove some of the core in the deck, hard to tell from the video where that was. I only see grinding where the bulkheads were attached ?

WavetoWave
01-24-2019, 02:18 PM
In the vid, you mention having to remove some of the core in the deck, hard to tell from the video where that was. I only see grinding where the bulkheads were attached ?

Ya, it was mostly at the back, where fittings were screwed through the deck. Also, we filled and smoothed out the transom well to remove the lip.

http://i65.tinypic.com/343rl0h.jpg

WavetoWave
01-24-2019, 02:21 PM
Deck flipped over, and getting prepped. We should be painting relatively soon. Not too late to change the color??? Haha.

The original white dark blue / blue looks pretty sharp actually.
http://i68.tinypic.com/2roq6jd.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/ogxaf.jpg

blkmtrfan
01-24-2019, 04:14 PM
The original white dark blue / blue looks pretty sharp actually.

Yes that is a good look:

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WavetoWave
01-28-2019, 01:05 PM
Hull is painted. Will have a video update, later this week. Can't wait to see how the silver looks. I hate making color decisions. Always second guess it.

Image quality is not the best.
http://i67.tinypic.com/2uz5o43.jpg

WavetoWave
02-05-2019, 02:24 PM
Latest episode is up. Deck is on, hull is painted. We will have color soon!


https://youtu.be/c28a7aBmaN4

blacktruck
02-07-2019, 03:45 PM
Silver might be an overlooked color on boats. Looks pretty good.

http://i67.tinypic.com/bgxvcz.jpg

AZMIDLYF
02-07-2019, 05:25 PM
I agree

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activator22
02-08-2019, 09:23 AM
When the deck went back on, was it glassed to the hull on the inside all the way up and around the bow ? I feel for the person that had to do that job if it was. (as well as the grinding/cutting to split the hull/deck).
You putting the stainless rub rail back on or something different ?

WavetoWave
02-28-2019, 11:26 AM
When the deck went back on, was it glassed to the hull on the inside all the way up and around the bow ? I feel for the person that had to do that job if it was. (as well as the grinding/cutting to split the hull/deck).
You putting the stainless rub rail back on or something different ?

Will post episode 14 that will answer those questions. Yes, the right tools definitely help when taking it apart.

WavetoWave
02-28-2019, 11:27 AM
Episode 14 is up. Audio is pretty bad, the fan was on, and the classic rock radio. But, we walk around the boat, and go over quite a few things. Rub rail, splash well, paint change, and some other stuff.


https://youtu.be/6zhAE_cPtxs

WavetoWave
02-28-2019, 03:19 PM
Here is the write up with a few more details. Someone asked what rub rail it was, and it is Integrity Marine. Very small vinyl backed SS rail. Sorry again for the audio, should've have recorded over it.

https://www.wavetowave.com/home/2019/2/28/project-activator-episode-14-primer-rub-rail-and-pain-change

LMT383
02-28-2019, 05:47 PM
What the small hole is for? Middle of the deck in the front

noli
03-02-2019, 10:58 AM
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beautiful finish


what's the weight at its current build stage?





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Greg G
03-02-2019, 11:26 AM
Yes, get that baby up on the scales

activator22
03-03-2019, 11:15 AM
Most likely bow light wiring


What the small hole is for? Middle of the deck in the front

WavetoWave
03-18-2019, 04:41 PM
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beautiful finish


what's the weight at its current build stage?





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Thanks Noli. Will have an update soon with the color on it. We will be putting it on a trailer soon, and I can't wait to weigh it myself. I have no clue, but would guess 1,300 lbs??? It won't be a patato chip, but not a barge either.

WavetoWave
03-20-2019, 10:20 AM
We have some color on it. It's Porsche GT silver metallic. The color is pretty dark for a silver. Will have an update soon on the paint, and next steps. It's getting closer though. Lots of progress this last month.

http://i64.tinypic.com/15ed2lu.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/2nw3b7o.jpg

Greg G
03-20-2019, 10:21 AM
Now is the time to weigh it!

2.5-21
03-20-2019, 11:06 AM
Now is the time to weigh it!


Ditto

blkmtrfan
03-20-2019, 02:51 PM
LOVE the color, it looks badass!!!

2.5-21
03-20-2019, 03:22 PM
LOVE the color, it looks badass!!!

How does yours run with the 250 on it?

blkmtrfan
03-20-2019, 03:27 PM
How does yours run with the 250 on it?

Bill, I sold it back in 2012 and I just got it back this fall ... So I don't know yet, ha ha

I am changing to less setback with vertical adjustment, so I hope to get it dialed in this spring

2.5-21
03-20-2019, 03:52 PM
Bill, I sold it back in 2012 and I just got it back this fall ... So I don't know yet, ha ha

I am changing to less setback with vertical adjustment, so I hope to get it dialed in this spring

What power was on it when you sold it?
what did previous owner say it ran?

blkmtrfan
03-20-2019, 04:01 PM
What power was on it when you sold it?
what did previous owner say it ran?

It had the 250xs on it, but with just break-in hours and no real set-up time.

When I had the 2.5 280 on it the 12" setback was just about perfect and it ran high 70's most every day.
When I first put the 250 on it, the setback was way too much and it porpoised like crazy. I had just switched to a 7" and only tired it with the new owners test drive.
It turned it to be still too much, so he moved the batteries under the dash and added even more additional weight under the bow and said it did 70 at 2,000' above sea level.

I am moving the motor closer to the transom with some vertical adjustment, starting over with battery location and extra weight and hope to be back near, or at, 80 mph

Sorry for the hi-jack Wave to Wave, at least it is Activator related :o

2.5-21
03-20-2019, 04:04 PM
Should try some different props with the current setback before removing it. Would suck to never know!

blkmtrfan
03-20-2019, 04:24 PM
Should try some different props with the current setback before removing it. Would suck to never know!
Decision already made, ha ha, But I won't get rid of the 7" Stainless Marine until I am done testing. My real goal is overall handling, not just top speed, so keeping the nose level (without added weight) is what I want

WavetoWave
03-20-2019, 06:24 PM
Decision already made, ha ha, But I won't get rid of the 7" Stainless Marine until I am done testing. My real goal is overall handling, not just top speed, so keeping the nose level (without added weight) is what I want

It's good information. I'm going with 6" of setback. But the G2 has about an additional 4-6 inches setback because of the steering.

2.5-21
03-20-2019, 06:29 PM
It's good information. I'm going with 6" of setback. But the G2 has about an additional 4-6 inches setback because of the steering.

Hydraulic?

WavetoWave
03-20-2019, 06:43 PM
Hydraulic?

Not sure yet. Might go manual for the simplicity.

WavetoWave
03-20-2019, 06:46 PM
Decision already made, ha ha, But I won't get rid of the 7" Stainless Marine until I am done testing. My real goal is overall handling, not just top speed, so keeping the nose level (without added weight) is what I want

Did it still porpoise when you reduced the setback?

blkmtrfan
03-21-2019, 11:56 AM
Did it still porpoise when you reduced the setback?

I only drove it once with the 7" setback, during the 2012-2018 owners sea trial, but it is obvious to me that he thought it did as moved the batteries from just behind the tank to in front of the interior...

Note, my hull also has the 7" transom notch, which I believe yours does as well. Mine also has the fiberglass liner floor and the stock tank in the stock location.

I will try to tell the back story without getting too long winded, ha ha:
I bought this hull in fall of 2002 from 2.5-21, it had the 12" stainless marine setback on it then. I mounted a 2.5 liter 280 (375 lbs) on it and it had great balance.
It flew flat across chop and cornered like it was on rails.
In the late 00's our local lake adopted the EPA 2006 rules, so I sold the 280 and bought a 250xs Opti, rigged it on the same setback, and it porpoised ALLOT in the 40-60 MPH range
Plus, the motor almost drowned itself when you came off of plane ...
I bought the 7" setback, but didn't get around to putting in on for a while as we just bought a new house and I got real busy
Then, without getting to personal, I got sick, had a ton of bills so I sold it and put on the different setback for the new owner
Fast forward six years, I am doing fantastic and had the opportunity to get MY boat back

Now I want to do all of the things I didn't do the first time I owned it

WavetoWave
03-21-2019, 12:16 PM
I only drove it once with the 7" setback, during the 2012-2018 owners sea trial, but it is obvious to me that he thought it did as moved the batteries from just behind the tank to in front of the interior...

Note, my hull also has the 7" transom notch, which I believe yours does as well. Mine also has the fiberglass liner floor and the stock tank in the stock location.

I will try to tell the back story without getting too long winded, ha ha:
I bought this hull in fall of 2002 from 2.5-21, it had the 12" stainless marine setback on it then. I mounted a 2.5 liter 280 (375 lbs) on it and it had great balance.
It flew flat across chop and cornered like it was on rails.
In the late 00's our local lake adopted the EPA 2006 rules, so I sold the 280 and bought a 250xs Opti, rigged it on the same setback, and it porpoised ALLOT in the 40-60 MPH range
Plus, the motor almost drowned itself when you came off of plane ...
I bought the 7" setback, but didn't get around to putting in on for a while as we just bought a new house and I got real busy
Then, without getting to personal, I got sick, had a ton of bills so I sold it and put on the different setback for the new owner
Fast forward six years, I am doing fantastic and had the opportunity to get MY boat back

Now I want to do all of the things I didn't do the first time I owned it



I'm glad you're doing better. Thanks for sharing. Very cool you got it back. I think it's a matter of finding the right setback, I am going with 6" and with the 4" of built in setback on the G2 means 10". I really have no idea what mine will weigh, it seems heavy, just based on towing it, but that's just guessing. It's probably the same as stock, or slightly less. Keep me updated. Worst case, I can move to a 4" but I think 6" will be good. Your 7" should be great with the notch.