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Instigator
06-22-2020, 05:45 PM
Sorry, just caught this Michael.

I gave the whole hatch to a guy on the CM board.

Installed the VRO tanks and put 5 gls of gas in it to see what would work.
Remote fill on VRO’s worked great, 3 gl tanks will be killer.
I was getting 2 1/2 tanks of fuel per 1gl tank on the Sonic so should see 7 or 8 tanks on this.

Squeeze bulb, after 3 squeezes put fuel in filters and electric primers worked perfect.


Oh do you still have the hardware for the old hatch?

mrichartz
06-22-2020, 09:21 PM
Sorry, just caught this Michael.

I gave the whole hatch to a guy on the CM board.

Installed the VRO tanks and put 5 gls of gas in it to see what would work.
Remote fill on VRO’s worked great, 3 gl tanks will be killer.
I was getting 2 1/2 tanks of fuel per 1gl tank on the Sonic so should see 7 or 8 tanks on this.

Squeeze bulb, after 3 squeezes put fuel in filters and electric primers worked perfect.



I should have been quicker.. actually should have called the first time I saw you were taking it out!
Eh it opens and closes(locks) just no in between.
Like that from the day I got it keep forgetting about it..

Instigator
06-27-2020, 11:11 AM
Making headway rigging.

Put the wiring harness to the port motor, hooked up fuel and oil, and hit the key and started instantly.

Forgot it was full of seafoam and instantly filled my shop with smoke which activated the fire alarm which earned a call from simply safe alarm company!

Great alarm company by the way if anybody shopping.

I’m punching out for the day today but plan to pull it out of the barn tomorrow and run both motors on the hose.

Shot a short video of the port motor just now but this site does not like the file type.

Can almost see light at the end of the tunnel.

AZMIDLYF
06-27-2020, 01:55 PM
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Instigator
07-16-2020, 06:24 PM
Three steps forward, two back.

Pulled it out of the shop and put some heat in the motors.
Starboard motor started, idled perfect.

Port motor fought me every step of the way. Missed, popped, stalled, barely idled etc.
Spark test shows random firing and w/new ignition so I’m guessing I’ve got wires crossed under the power pack.
I love these motors but having 17 plugs and harnesses folded in half and smashed under the power pack, against the top of the block, insane.
Put it back in the barn.

Got graphics for the motors but not sold on it.
Hes working on some changes for me and is doing the Checkmate logos in black and white to match the motors.

Plumbed the steering and found a bleeder in one of my rams is stripped.
Good thing I have a spare.
Ugh

AZMIDLYF
07-16-2020, 08:32 PM
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Instigator
07-18-2020, 08:42 AM
Just to make mrichartz happy 😝, Pulled the trailer out from under the boat to weight so I can then weight it w/the boat to see where we’re at.

No sure if I can “not” put a pad on the bottom now 😉

mrichartz
07-18-2020, 08:53 AM
No excuse not to put a pad on it now!:D

Greg G
07-18-2020, 08:58 AM
I always thought the old Convincer 25's had raised pads from the factory.

mrichartz
07-18-2020, 09:15 AM
13 or 15"" wide flat vee on the bottom depending on where you measure
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Instigator
07-18-2020, 10:26 AM
They still have some vee to them.

Ny plans is for a 5 1/2” flat pad added to it.


I always thought the old Convincer 25's had raised pads from the factory.

MODVP22
07-18-2020, 11:03 AM
Just to make mrichartz happy , Pulled the trailer out from under the boat to weight so I can then weight it w/the boat to see where we’re at.

No sure if I can “not” put a pad on the bottom now 

now there’s the rational I like to hear

Greg G
07-18-2020, 08:10 PM
They still have some vee to them. My plan is for a 5 1/2” flat pad added to it.

Got it.

Dave Strong
07-18-2020, 08:30 PM
They still have some vee to them.

Ny plans is for a 5 1/2” flat pad added to it.

You should be able to get it up on that v pad. Try it first could have some adverse effects on handling all round. Sometimes a bit od compromise is the best.

Dave

Instigator
07-18-2020, 11:20 PM
I have no doubt about getting it to, and keeping it on the pad.


I have a combined 14 yrs on two 24’ Sonics and keeping them on their pads, and they were round ��

Only fast pad is a flat pad.


You should be able to get it up on that v pad. Try it first could have some adverse effects on handling all round. Sometimes a bit od compromise is the best.

Dave

V-bottom
07-19-2020, 08:53 AM
Why does the lip of the pad look a little wonky on the left side? I am sure it must just be the angle of the pic?

Instigator
07-19-2020, 09:17 AM
It’s primer showing through the white gel coat I burned through when buffing the transom before installing the bracket.
Doh!


Why does the lip of the pad look a little wonky on the left side? I am sure it must just be the angle of the pic?

V-bottom
07-19-2020, 09:33 AM
It’s primer showing through the white gel coat I burned through when buffing the transom before installing the bracket.
Doh!

Well at least that's an easy fix.
When is the 1st launch expected?

Instigator
08-04-2020, 07:17 AM
No clue.
W/the pool/deck project going on, my free time is spread a bit thin these days.

Ive done enough of these projects to know that if you stop at 80% and start using/running it, you never finish it.


Ive wanted one of these all my life so if it takes another yr....., I’m OK w/that.

I had my deck helper help me carry in my patio door/mold to start laying up the pad for the bottom.


Well at least that's an easy fix.
When is the 1st launch expected?

mrichartz
08-04-2020, 08:14 AM
Yea if you take it out you all of a sudden you over look or it's good for now then it's years later..
It's coming along nicely..but another year I can't wait that long get it together man.! Lol

Instigator
08-04-2020, 04:57 PM
I know, I know.

I didn’t have the supplies I needed to lay up the pad on the door so after scratching my head a bit and not wanting to waste a rain day, (BTW, tomorrow is one too) I built a mold.
If my thinking is clear and my math is close, should be a pc of cake.

Mold is 8’ and spit balling is looking like 11’ - 12’ overall which is way shorter than I thought.

Ill start laying it up tomorrow.


Yea if you take it out you all of a sudden you over look or it's good for now then it's years later..
It's coming along nicely..but another year I can't wait that long get it together man.! Lol

Instigator
10-03-2020, 03:51 PM
Slow progress, but progress just the same.

Spent the last 3 months building the boss a pool and deck from hell.
Got it enough finished to be functional then snuck out in the shop.

After seeing a paper towel blow under a foot on one of my boat stands (meaning it’s on 3 feet instead of all four) I’ve decided to postpone the pad project.

Steering at the motors has been apart and back together a bazillion Times But think I finally got it.

Out of money due to the pool/deck project so being careful w/funds too.

Got my control cables and adapters to put that together.

Ordered battery cable to make them.

Decided to update the trailer while the boat was off of it.
Orig discs on front axle were toast so had to replace those calipers and cut the rotors.
While at it I added a second set to the rear axle.

Also added a second set of bunks. Only had two orig and I didn’t like what I saw.

Founf the switches I needed to put trim in the throttle handle.

Fall is here in Ohio but still hoping to get it wet before our water gets hard.

Heres some random pixs.

Pilotryan
10-07-2020, 09:19 AM
Do you spray your gel in the shop? If so, what kind of spray setup do you use?

Instigator
10-07-2020, 11:16 AM
Used MEK and thinned it enough to blow through a regular HVLP fun.

Only issue was it flowed tacked up w/a gloss then dried to a flat finish.

Was hoping to skip the buff/polish process.


Do you spray your gel in the shop? If so, what kind of spray setup do you use?

baja200merk
10-07-2020, 12:32 PM
Your not gonna run it and have a before and after pad comparison?

Actually if it was mine it would never go back under the knife once it runs so it wouldnt get a pad once it runs. :leaving:

Instigator
10-07-2020, 01:04 PM
We’ll see.
Putting the boat back on the trailer made me way nervous and don’t want to do it again.
Prettying sure I can put boat/trailer on jack stands and get to what I need to install a pad.
Id basically lay it up on my table then just bond it to the bottom.

Like everything else on this project (**** brakes on trailer), everything’s fighting me.
Currently test fitting interior prior to final rig.
Boat was represented as having a new interior but it was a **** job and all the wood frames are trashed. (haven’t looked at it in 2 yrs)
Band aided it together to test then pull the skins off and build new frames/bases.

Argh........


Your not gonna run it and have a before and after pad comparison?

Actually if it was mine it would never go back under the knife once it runs so it wouldnt get a pad once it runs. :leaving:

Pilotryan
10-07-2020, 02:35 PM
Well, as you’ve said before and you’ll say again:

This is your end all, be all build. If it’s not done to your standards, the right way, the first time then it’s not living up to what it’s meant to be. I, for one, am pretty excited to see how it turns out. I read all 35 pages yesterday afternoon so I’m all caught up.

Instigator
10-07-2020, 03:01 PM
Thx much Ryan.

Tough to get in a hurry when I’ve waited this long, and gotten this far.
Although the interior looks like crap, it was fun to sit in it w/it looking like a boat again for the first time in almost 3 yrs.

I really, really, really want to build to two hot rod powerheads for it this winter too.

Here’s some new, random shots.

baja200merk
10-08-2020, 08:11 AM
I hear you i put my 30ft 10k lbs cat on boat stands yesterday to do the bottom. Got a guy on it 3 full days now. Not my favorite thing to do even with my big forklift.

boat looks great

Instigator
10-18-2020, 09:19 AM
Wiring, rigging and fabricating.....

Loved that the late loopers went to a single rigging tube until, rigging one!

Ive thought I fished my last wire, cable, tube through them, 20 times!

Did some plastic fabricating too.

The motor/pump for my trim tabs is designed to be mated to a bulkhead and comes w/a bracket to do so. The way I plumbed mine though (conserving as much floor space for hauling/storing funk) it needs to sit on the floor.
Had a scrap of nylon that worked perfect.

I have a nice (expensive) main power breaker panel for the helm/forward but I wanted one for the aft compartment w/o spending the money.
Used another scrap to make a cover for a ground bus bar that will now become a positive power supply. Take offs will be fused.

And I wonder why this damn thing is taking so long..

Instigator
10-18-2020, 09:21 AM
Power bar.

**** picture, sorry.

For some reason it won’t load the other ones.

Pilotryan
10-18-2020, 06:39 PM
Looking good! What have you thought up for the cabin entrance? I remember you saying you were going to redesign it or something.

Instigator
10-20-2020, 08:30 AM
That chapter got demoted to back burner so I could have a shot at splashing the boat before our water gets hard.

I saw another Convincor w/the cabin entrance/bulkhead moved aft 6” so will be doing that.

Part of reason for the delay is it will be a huge project as I’m going to add a hatch over entrance like my Sonics had and that will require totally reengineering the helm and it is a stressed member so not like I can just cut a notch and screw in a hatch.

Will be a fun project.
Even w/as small as the cabin is, lots can be done.


Looking good! What have you thought up for the cabin entrance? I remember you saying you were going to redesign it or something.

Instigator
10-23-2020, 05:32 PM
Finally done drilling holes in the helm.
I think!
What a PIA.
Sick of filling the boat w/dust and cleaning it up.

Its far from what I want but functionally should be perfect.

Buttons for tabs, trim, jack plates, primers etc.
Primers aren’t in picture.
I added them between the steering hub and the gauges for the trim tabs.

Rained most of this week so mamma let me work out there all wk.

Another day or two and it’s ready to splash.

Pulled it out today, drug it through a car wash, weighed it, then put 20 gls of gas in it.

Michael, they ain’t as light as you were hoping.
3780 fully rigged, w/full interior except bulkheads for the cabin.

Keep in mind that’s 1000 lbs of motors, 100 lb bracket, 100 lbs of jack plates, 100 lbs of batteries etc.
I was guessing 2500 for bare hull (which is excellent for this type boat) so I’d say that’s close.

Pilotryan
10-23-2020, 07:21 PM
Super excited to see her sitting in the water!! Mother Nature better play nicely.

tux974
10-24-2020, 09:04 AM
Great job Gary. Looks awesome...:thumbsup:

Cary 29
10-24-2020, 09:45 AM
Yes ... Great work Gary. You always have excellent ideasand well executed craftsmanship.

mrichartz
10-27-2020, 11:16 AM
Hey Gary, looking good really hope you get it in the water at least once before it's to cold up there!!
Nothing like cleaning then drilling cutting then cleaning then doing it again..

I was curious because they said the '84 outboard weighted less I weighed mine and its 3125# rigged jackplates, motors 25 gals fuel etc except I did swap out the heavy seats and ripped out the plywood backs for the seats in the cabin that was over 200#

Question what's the Loa exactly just the boat? Was told mine was 1 of four '84 outboard ..and its shorter and lighter.
The 84 or 85 was 2000 to 2400 to start
After that 86 up they get heavier outboard and stern.

I was really wondering where/why the difference in the weight was from factory too but no one I talked to knew.
Not like it really matters that much not changing anything just one of those things was curious about and why.


QUOTE=Instigator;3240731]Finally done drilling holes in the helm.
I think!
What a PIA.
Sick of filling the boat w/dust and cleaning it up.

Its far from what I want but functionally should be perfect.

Buttons for tabs, trim, jack plates, primers etc.
Primers aren’t in picture.
I added them between the steering hub and the gauges for the trim tabs.

Rained most of this week so mamma let me work out there all wk.

Another day or two and it’s ready to splash.

Pulled it out today, drug it through a car wash, weighed it, then put 20 gls of gas in it.

Michael, they ain’t as light as you were hoping.
3780 fully rigged, w/full interior except bulkheads for the cabin.

Keep in mind that’s 1000 lbs of motors, 100 lb bracket, 100 lbs of jack plates, 100 lbs of batteries etc.
I was guessing 2500 for bare hull (which is excellent for this type boat) so I’d say that’s close.[/QUOTE]

Instigator
10-27-2020, 12:44 PM
So yours is 650 lbs lighter than mine??

Not sure where it’d be possible to cut that from mine unless all the foam under my floor is water logged but everywhere I’ve been is dry.

I known the balsa cored front deck is like enough that I just noticed it sagging between the hatches.

Ill measure it for you.


Hey Gary, looking good really hope you get it in the water at least once before it's to cold up there!!
Nothing like cleaning then drilling cutting then cleaning then doing it again..

I was curious because they said the '84 outboard weighted less I weighed mine and its 3125# rigged jackplates, motors 25 gals fuel etc except I did swap out the heavy seats and ripped out the plywood backs for the seats in the cabin that was over 200#

Question what's the Loa exactly just the boat? Was told mine was 1 of four '84 outboard ..and its shorter and lighter.
The 84 or 85 was 2000 to 2400 to start
After that 86 up they get heavier outboard and stern.

I was really wondering where/why the difference in the weight was from factory too but no one I talked to knew.
Not like it really matters that much not changing anything just one of those things was curious about and why.


QUOTE=Instigator;3240731]Finally done drilling holes in the helm.
I think!
What a PIA.
Sick of filling the boat w/dust and cleaning it up.

Its far from what I want but functionally should be perfect.

Buttons for tabs, trim, jack plates, primers etc.
Primers aren’t in picture.
I added them between the steering hub and the gauges for the trim tabs.

Rained most of this week so mamma let me work out there all wk.

Another day or two and it’s ready to splash.

Pulled it out today, drug it through a car wash, weighed it, then put 20 gls of gas in it.

Michael, they ain’t as light as you were hoping.
3780 fully rigged, w/full interior except bulkheads for the cabin.

Keep in mind that’s 1000 lbs of motors, 100 lb bracket, 100 lbs of jack plates, 100 lbs of batteries etc.
I was guessing 2500 for bare hull (which is excellent for this type boat) so I’d say that’s close.[/QUOTE]

mrichartz
10-30-2020, 06:36 PM
So yours is 650 lbs lighter than mine??

Not sure where it’d be possible to cut that from mine unless all the foam under my floor is water logged but everywhere I’ve been is dry.

I known the balsa cored front deck is like enough that I just noticed it sagging between the hatches.

Ill measure it for you.

[/QUOTE]

Yea my 25' convincor is 24' and change Im goin to measure it again in a bit..
And that was with a bunch of gear up front and in the boat I forgot to take out need to weigh that to and - might only be 40# or? Don't know yet
Is one of 4 the 24' outboard was really rare I guess and the layup was different..BUT i have no idea and the guys telling me I didn't know them but seemed to have alot of info(could have been full of **** too I don't know)
I was told the inboards were a full 25'..
650 + # would be easy with it starting lighter and stuff I took out. If I didn't need/want it it came out.
What I want to do next...well at some point is.....well that's another story..ill get the damn thing in the water next week for a bit still have some things to do.

Instigator
10-30-2020, 08:21 PM
I’ll bet you a 12 pack ours are the same hulls.

They built a 24’, IO and OB, the Enforcer.
Why would they build that and a 24’4” Convincor.

Advertised weights are often just that.
Advertised.

I know boats fairly well and I know Checkmates fairly well.
Ive had mine down to bare hull and I don’t see anyway to shave off 650 lbs.

50 maybe....

mrichartz
10-30-2020, 08:31 PM
Yea it's 24' 2" give or take an inch hard to measure by myself and cover on.
That's why I figured the guy I was talking to had an idea because he knew it was only 24'

mrichartz
10-30-2020, 08:43 PM
I have know idea and DO not claim to have any answer or know..lol
That's why I was asking and curious..now I'm going to have to weigh it again at some point..after being ocd about it last time
Like I said it all depends the factory seats I took out weighted over 125# a piece..

I thought back then that it might be different model because of the length but I checked the HIN and it's a convincor
Have to start researching again and see if it is one of 4 24' + ..If anyone even has a clue

Instigator
10-31-2020, 03:58 AM
Guess I was cornfused.

I thought you were anxious for me to weigh mine because you hadn’t weighed yours.


That's why I was asking and curious..now I'm going to have to weigh it again at some point..after being ocd about it last time
Like I said it all depends the factory seats I took out weighted over 125# a piece..

mrichartz
10-31-2020, 09:36 AM
Oh I had weighted mine but I wanted to know how much yours was because I was told they were heavier.
I was trying to get info and put pieces together of info I was told.

Oh did you measure yours? Convincor 251

As for advertised weight? I don't know what they had in the boat seats etc but..
I'm now going with actual weight.
I'm trying to look at all the pics but if you start with I don't have a windshield how much does that hatch weigh?
I took out hundreds of #s
between the heavy ass seats
All the plywood stuff in the cabin and other stuff..

But I'm really looking to see if they are different .
Like is yours 25'
If that nonsense makes any sense..
Oh still need to call you about props I keep forgetting and now the time difference

mrichartz
10-31-2020, 11:56 AM
Gary need more pics..how's the pad coming?
Oh can you take a pic of your hatch area and transom?
Oh and you have a full swim platform bracket how much does that weight?..so the difference of 650# rigged is probably easy to find.

What props are you going to start with?

bicyclingdock
11-06-2020, 06:50 AM
The later Ones are much more refined you will like them. Better ignition, better map and improved oiling but there’s an oil trough behind the sleeve. It lets oil out of a hole in the sleeve puts oil between the exhaust port and top transfer port. Well when the block cracks that oil hole pumps sea water out of it instead of oil fishing tackle abu dhabi (https://www.mazuzee.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=2176). I’ve never met a dealer that’s herd of this problem but that’s cause they just call Evinrude and get a new Powerhead. I end up with the broken stuff and it usually rusts out the crank which is 3.4 specific $1700 dealer cost.

Instigator
11-28-2020, 03:31 PM
It’s alive!

Splashed it today.

Main focus was to see if the motors would rip off the glass bracket I built for it.
Like many told me it would.

I put the jack plates all the way down where the props would put the most torque on the top of the bracket then lit the motors.
Did this several times then pulled it up the ramp to check the seam where the bracket mates to the transom to see if it opened up that joint.

It did not.
Yah!

Pulled it off trailer to see what’s what.
Port motor needs tuned and (I didn’t bring those tools) and was dying at idle.

Was 45* today and lake is way down for winter so is basically a narrow, short creek.
I was very limited for open water.

Focused again on bracket integrity (motors fall off I want that to happen now before wasting a winter working on the boat) and did a half dozen full throttle hole shots w/motors full down.

Pulled it back out to check joint between bracket and transom and was perfect.

So I got a couple of 40 mph passes and pulled the plug.

W/all the variables, I’ll take it!

MODVP22
11-28-2020, 04:09 PM
Hell yeah! Great news

JBS
11-28-2020, 06:06 PM
That was a good test ,nothing bad happened!
Also, that is a great color scheme.

Cary 29
11-28-2020, 06:58 PM
Good for you Gary. You have a lot to be thankful for....God bless

Dave Strong
11-28-2020, 07:07 PM
It’s alive!

Splashed it today.

Main focus was to see if the motors would rip off the glass bracket I built for it.
Like many told me it would.

I put the jack plates all the way down where the props would put the most torque on the top of the bracket then lit the motors.
Did this several times then pulled it up the ramp to check the seam where the bracket mates to the transom to see if it opened up that joint.

It did not.
Yah!

Pulled it off trailer to see what’s what.
Port motor needs tuned and (I didn’t bring those tools) and was dying at idle.

Was 45* today and lake is way down for winter so is basically a narrow, short creek.
I was very limited for open water.

Focused again on bracket integrity (motors fall off I want that to happen now before wasting a winter working on the boat) and did a half dozen full throttle hole shots w/motors full down.

Pulled it back out to check joint between bracket and transom and was perfect.

So I got a couple of 40 mph passes and pulled the plug.

W/all the variables, I’ll take it!

Ya 45° is not the best time to tune, you and the motors are cold. Never doubted the bracket, you had that.

Dave

Greg G
11-28-2020, 07:35 PM
Agree, you got it over the goal line. Now time to put her away and take a rest.

MattGreen
11-29-2020, 12:26 AM
Good job Gary ! And I'm jealous of still having a boat in the water in late November lol. Our water is a "a little solid" right now :nonod:

Matt

Instigator
11-29-2020, 08:32 AM
I really want to make a few changes and head back today but......

Matt, our water will be hard very soon.

A. Today will probably be our last, decent weather day and I just started the railings on my deck from hell.

B. My wife Cheryl let me buy myself an early Christmas present while visiting “Lake Trash”, my Coon Ass brother in Shreveport last week and it just got here.
It needs a bath and is WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY more fun than anticipated ��

Bought his ‘02 Trans Am that was built by Gene Deputy of Texas Turbo fame and it is a wicked bitch!
Has Ls6/Z06 based motor w/a stroker crank, CNC heads, basically the best of everything and set up and tuned perfect!
And w/411 gears it will blow off its 275 tires from a 40 mph roll in 3rd gear!

And w/a 6 speed manual it turns 1500 R’s @ 60 in 6th gear!
Came w/a complete history in two manilla folders.
And rect’s for three sets of rear tires ��

An amazing piece.

Mr Trash went 11.70’s @ 117 in it!

Ironic that when I sold my ‘68 440 six pack Super Bee 15 yrs ago, I told all of my friends in disbelief that w/what I got for the Bee, I could buy a 10 yr old Stang, put a blue bottle in the trunk and do everything the Bee did but have power seats, AC, cruise etc, for the same money.
Other than not being a Stang, I just did it.

Instigator
11-29-2020, 08:40 AM
I really want to make a few changes and head back today but......

A. Today will probably be our last, decent weather day and I just started the railings on my deck from hell.

B. My wife Cheryl let me buy myself an early Christmas present while visiting “Lake Trash”, my Coon Ass brother in Shreveport last week and it just got here.
It needs a bath and is WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY more fun than anticipated ��

Bought his ‘02 Trans Am that was built by Gene Deputy of Texas Turbo fame and it is a wicked bitch!
Has Ls6/Z06 based motor w/a stroker crank, CNC heads, basically the best of everything and set up and tuned perfect!
And w/411 gears it will blow off its 275 tires from a 40 mph roll in 3rd gear!

And w/a 6 speed manual it turns 1500 R’s @ 60 in 6th gear.
Came w/a complete history in two manilla folders.
And rect’s for three sets of rear tires ��

An amazing piece.

Mr Trash went 11.70’s @ 117 in it!

MODVP22
11-29-2020, 10:43 AM
I really want to make a few changes and head back today but......

Matt, our water will be hard very soon.

A. Today will probably be our last, decent weather day and I just started the railings on my deck from hell.

B. My wife Cheryl let me buy myself an early Christmas present while visiting “Lake Trash”, my Coon Ass brother in Shreveport last week and it just got here.
It needs a bath and is WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY more fun than anticipated ��

Bought his ‘02 Trans Am that was built by Gene Deputy of Texas Turbo fame and it is a wicked bitch!
Has Ls6/Z06 based motor w/a stroker crank, CNC heads, basically the best of everything and set up and tuned perfect!
And w/411 gears it will blow off its 275 tires from a 40 mph roll in 3rd gear!

And w/a 6 speed manual it turns 1500 R’s @ 60 in 6th gear!
Came w/a complete history in two manilla folders.
And rect’s for three sets of rear tires ��

An amazing piece.

Mr Trash went 11.70’s @ 117 in it!

Ironic that when I sold my ‘68 440 six pack Super Bee 15 yrs ago, I told all of my friends in disbelief that w/what I got for the Bee, I could buy a 10 yr old Stang, put a blue bottle in the trunk and do everything the Bee did but have power seats, AC, cruise etc, for the same money.
Other than not being a Stang, I just did it.

#badass

keefallan
12-02-2020, 05:12 AM
I really want to make a few changes and head back today but......

Matt, our water will be hard very soon.

A. Today will probably be our last, decent weather day and I just started the railings on my deck from hell.

B. My wife Cheryl let me buy myself an early Christmas present while visiting “Lake Trash”, my Coon Ass brother in Shreveport last week and it just got here.
It needs a bath and is WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY more fun than anticipated ��

Bought his ‘02 Trans Am that was built by Gene Deputy of Texas Turbo fame and it is a wicked bitch!
Has Ls6/Z06 based motor w/a stroker crank, CNC heads, basically the best of everything and set up and tuned perfect!
And w/411 gears it will blow off its 275 tires from a 40 mph roll in 3rd gear!

And w/a 6 speed manual it turns 1500 R’s @ 60 in 6th gear!
Came w/a complete history in two manilla folders.
And rect’s for three sets of rear tires ��

An amazing piece.

Mr Trash went 11.70’s @ 117 in it!

Ironic that when I sold my ‘68 440 six pack Super Bee 15 yrs ago, I told all of my friends in disbelief that w/what I got for the Bee, I could buy a 10 yr old Stang, put a blue bottle in the trunk and do everything the Bee did but have power seats, AC, cruise etc, for the same money.
Other than not being a Stang, I just did it.
It looks to me that the tread on the rear tires is significantly less than the fronts..........defective tires?;)
You still sold out.....LOL:D But you picked well to sell out for.

Instigator
12-02-2020, 07:07 AM
It still makes nervous.

The more I read about it the more im blown away by the technology!

The crank has 4 bolt mains that are also cross drilled!

All aluminum motor.

Dry sump oil system that holds 10 qts!

Butttttttttt, I dont want to work on it.

The 5.0 is a regular motor that Im comfortable with.

But, 1500 rpm in 6th w/4.10’s???
275’s on all four corners?
A gorgeous body?
Always wanted one.

BTW, found a local guy w/a hot rod 5.0 Stang and a hot rod 5.0 Fairmont!
About fell off my porch when I saw the Fairmont go by!


It looks to me that the tread on the rear tires is significantly less than the fronts..........defective tires?;)
You still sold out.....LOL:D But you picked well to sell out for.

keefallan
12-02-2020, 02:26 PM
It still makes nervous.

The more I read about it the more im blown away by the technology!

The crank has 4 bolt mains that are also cross drilled!

All aluminum motor.

Dry sump oil system that holds 10 qts!

Butttttttttt, I dont want to work on it.

The 5.0 is a regular motor that Im comfortable with.

But, 1500 rpm in 6th w/4.10’s???
275’s on all four corners?
A gorgeous body?
Always wanted one.

BTW, found a local guy w/a hot rod 5.0 Stang and a hot rod 5.0 Fairmont!
About fell off my porch when I saw the Fairmont go by!
My car makes me nervous sometimes..........nah!! But I am always aware that it will go sideways instantly, if I am not paying attention

You sound like you're torn Gary........like you want to be able to work on your car. But you dont wanna work on that one. And actually, I understand. I want to know more about that motor as well. I put an LS3/6speed combo into my bosses 72 nova. I had to swap out the oil pan, and the oil lines go thru the oil pan....I had to install a remote filter for ease of changing......all I had was 2 -an fiitings sticking out of the oil pan and I didnt know what was in and out. I was nervous to say the least. I would feel uncomfortable as well.....working on it. Its similar.......and then its not!! And until I work on them some more, I know enough on them to get in trouble. Torque values are completely different too.

I like rodded fairmonts. They are such a junker, yet everything for a mustang will bolt right up......the perfect sleeper car. The other sleeper is the LTD as well. I would also not mind rodding a t-bird. they are a sharp one as well. Not seen much either.

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This the car I restored for my boss. It was torn down to the frame and painted with a white base and then shot with pearl blue clear on it. The pictures dont show it much at all. i was hoping to have a better motor picture. Still not running. I am waiting on him to get the console done. Its where I am hiding all the hookups for the digital dash(Dakota Digital).

So, you saying you still want a 5.0? so you can turn wrenches?:D

Instigator
12-02-2020, 09:33 PM
Nice Nova.

Im not nervous about driving it, im nervous about having to buy a lift to pull the motor out through the bottom if I pop it.
And the months of reading to figure out the motor.

I always wanted a TA, the Fox body was just a means to an end.
Kind of, an economical tool to go drag racing.

We’ll see how we do together next summer.

On the Fairmont, I wanted to build a Bob Glidden tribute car.
Probably my favorite NHRA driver/builder/owner of all time.

keefallan
12-02-2020, 11:47 PM
Im not nervous about driving it.........nervous about buying a lift to pull the motor....and the months of reading....


On the Fairmont, I wanted to build a Bob Glidden tribute car.
Probably my favorite NHRA driver/builder/owner of all time. AAHH, gotcha on the driving it part. Glidden was one of my favorites as well. I did not know he ran a fairmont. I got into NHRA when he was driving his t-bird.......dating myself here;). I honestly, never knew a Fairmont was pro driven...........just always knew it was a grocery getter. I had to go look @ some pics(I-net) before posting to see Bob's other cars. Never new he drove a pinto or arrow either.....good stuff.

Instigator
12-03-2020, 07:50 AM
Ah, a youngin ��

As a Chrysler fan, my favorite Bob story is when Ford wouldnt renew his contract, in about ‘1980.
They thought hed stay and work for peanuts.

He told them to pound sand and went to Chrysler!

He took a Plymouth Arrow and destroked a 340 cu in small block to like 276 cu ins (??) and won I think
all but one race that yr, and of course won the Pro Stock Championship!
Ford virtually all his career and in one yr, w/no Mopar experience did that?
All on his own.

Ford renewed his contract the next yr.

No corporate motors like today.

And could win a box like a Fairmont???

He was a bad assss!

Warren and Kurt Johnson were right behind them.
And no longer race due to the corporate/team/NHRA BS.

Thats your history lesson for the day.




AAHH, gotcha on the driving it part. Glidden was one of my favorites as well. I did not know he ran a fairmont. I got into NHRA when he was driving his t-bird.......dating myself here;). I honestly, never knew a Fairmont was pro driven...........just always knew it was a grocery getter. I had to go look @ some pics(I-net) before posting to see Bob's other cars. Never new he drove a pinto or arrow either.....good stuff.

MODVP22
12-03-2020, 12:57 PM
Nice Nova.

Im not nervous about driving it, im nervous about having to buy a lift to pull the motor out through the bottom if I pop it.
And the months of reading to figure out the motor.

I always wanted a TA, the Fox body was just a means to an end.
Kind of, an economical tool to go drag racing.

We’ll see how we do together next summer.

On the Fairmont, I wanted to build a Bob Glidden tribute car.
Probably my favorite NHRA driver/builder/owner of all time.

rev limiter ;)

mrichartz
12-03-2020, 01:14 PM
What one of these hey can find them for a couple grand hell start looking now could find one used for less.
For the amount of $$ you could spend on racing thats not to bad for the fact that makes working on it soooo much easier..hell if I had your shop I'd have one for sure!!

478355

keefallan
12-03-2020, 02:25 PM
Ah, a youngin ��

As a Chrysler fan, my favorite Bob story is when Ford wouldnt renew his contract, in about ‘1980.
They thought hed stay and work for peanuts.

He told them to pound sand and went to Chrysler!

He took a Plymouth Arrow and destroked a 340 cu in small block to like 276 cu ins (??) and won I think
all but one race that yr, and of course won the Pro Stock Championship!
Ford virtually all his career and in one yr, w/no Mopar experience did that?
All on his own.

Ford renewed his contract the next yr.

No corporate motors like today.

And could win a box like a Fairmont???

He was a bad assss!

Warren and Kurt Johnson were right behind them.
And no longer race due to the corporate/team/NHRA BS.

Thats your history lesson for the day. If 48 is young, then yes I be, a babe. But just yesterday, I was 18:eek: buying my first 5.0. Thanks for my edumacation on Bob. I remember this........he was a down to earth man and very humble..........JOHN FORCE he wasnt!!. Thats why I rooted for him. He was not a JAck@#$. When mopar became a force a little later, I was a Daryl Alderman fan. How can you not root for a hemi pro stock car with real doors and gears to bang? :D

Btw, driving a pro stock car is on my bucket list............whether it happens or not, I dunno. But its on there.:thumbsup:

Instigator
12-03-2020, 05:56 PM
Ran it again today at a much bigger lake.

Been watching for one last weather opening and forecast was for 45* and sunny today.

They were wrong but I went anyhow.

Still having issues w/port motor dropping cylinders.

Had a 9/64” allen this time so did some tuning at the ramp and got it to idle and shift.

Once on plane it tried to hop and chine walk.
I ran the plate up/down and had little effect.

Then I decided....,to drive it like an Allison!

W/some up trim, and down tab, I lit it.
It picked up and carried the bow nicely and when it tried to chine walk, I drove it like an Allison/Hydrostream.
And it worked.

Was freezing my nads off, no kill switch, no other boats to help if i went for a swim but managed a couple of 70 mph (indicated) passes before pulling the plug.
This w/the healthy (stbd) motor turning 6200 and the port only 5200!

Normally a healthy motor wont pull a weak one that well.
Running 26” Rakers, w/both at 6200, @ 10% slip, thats 78 mph GPS.

I have a 28” LH Raker arriving tomorrow and that raises my collection to 5 sets.

Now I think ill take a break while being confident my science project worked and next summer will be fun.

Instigator
12-03-2020, 05:57 PM
All 4 pixs are properly oriented in my fkg phone!!!!!

FMP
12-03-2020, 06:10 PM
Awesome. Love running in the cold, need the sled gear on, ski goggles.
Set the phone to auto rotate and hold the phone horizontal.

mrichartz
12-03-2020, 06:11 PM
To damn cold to do that **** no way...I see snow
But nice getting there...looks really nice will look even better in warmer weather too!
And crap 5 sets I'm down to 1 well 1 and 1/2 if you count my test props lol
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What other props do you have? Different sizes and different props? Yes like I said never ran anything other than choppers and cleavers so going to see what your running and how they work out..
I need to work on my collection..but would prefer to know what's with it.

Pilotryan
12-04-2020, 10:21 AM
Wow people probably thought you were insane taking the boat to the lake in the snow. Very cool read about the Trans-Am. Feel free to drop it off to me in Dallas for paint correction and ceramic coating before driving it back up North :)

Instigator
12-04-2020, 11:29 AM
Um, too late.


Wow people probably thought you were insane taking the boat to the lake in the snow. Very cool read about the Trans-Am. Feel free to drop it off to me in Dallas for paint correction and ceramic coating before driving it back up North :)

Pilotryan
12-04-2020, 06:28 PM
Love that orange! Keep her rust free!

tnelsmn
12-04-2020, 08:44 PM
Great job on the boat!! Cool car also, always liked those.

mrichartz
12-06-2020, 04:02 PM
Yea found new w 5warr for $1575 you can find used ones
Found a few and only wanted $1200 BUT have to find them around you or shipping will kill the savings.
But hey how cool it will be to have one! And make everything underneath easier..

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Instigator
12-19-2020, 06:01 AM
Yep, lifts are cheap but I don’t want to give up that much shop space.

Did get some me time out in the shop and used it to correct some issues that surfaced last time out w/the Convincor.

Port primer died, but the back up squeeze bulb worked perfect.
Ends up the pump died after maybe 2 mins run time!
The good:
It came from Summit Racing who replaced it (no exchange) for free and had it the next day!

Starboard trim gauge didnt work.
Was bad sender on motor and got replaced.

Neither water pressure gauges worked and may have cleared blockage from both, at motor end.

Made a protective cover for the fuel fill hose.
Been a while since I did any glass work so figured, what the hey?

Next will be trouble shooting the port ignition.

FUJIMO
12-31-2020, 10:12 AM
...you've been asking on that "other" site, for interior recommendations. here's mine. should take the abuse of lake erie. you might not, but the boat will. lol. https://boats-from-usa.com/sites/default/files/boats/not-specified/36264/not-specified-384210.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:23 AM
https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/attachments/magnum-marine/488670d1355276257-1978-27-magnum-starfire-mag-details-005.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:25 AM
https://boats-from-usa.com/sites/default/files/boats/2018-02/14/162173/baja-force-320-1875599.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:28 AM
https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/attachments/classic-offshore/352882d1216854347-magnum-27-sport-sale-100_2517.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:29 AM
https://live.staticflickr.com/5116/5835181623_7fb5b064d9_b.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:30 AM
https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/attachments/magnum-marine/503188-1978-27-magnum-starfire-image.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:32 AM
https://boats-from-usa.com/sites/default/files/boats/2018-03/28/166717/magnum-marine-28-1931171.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:47 AM
https://boats-from-usa.com/sites/default/files/boats/2018-04/08/167928/magnum-marine-28-1946055.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:51 AM
https://www.powerboatlistings.com/powerimg/m/30210/image2797.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:53 AM
https://images.boats.com/resize/1/92/53/6349253_20180212125639783_1_LARGE.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:54 AM
https://www.powerboatlistings.com/powerimg/m/16657/DSCN6496.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:57 AM
https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/attachments/do-yourself-boating-budget/313766d1196003119-checkmate-wiring-schematic-cockpit.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:58 AM
http://boats.iboats.com/sites/checkmate/l_12311.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:58 AM
http://boats.iboats.com/sites/checkmate/l_41511.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 08:59 AM
http://boats.iboats.com/sites/checkmate/site_page_16343/images/l_checkmate-convincor-300-cockpit_seat.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 09:00 AM
https://boats-from-usa.com/sites/default/files/boats/2019-07/26/220379/checkmate-convincor-242-2590270.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 09:01 AM
https://images.boats.com/resize/1/12/59/6821259_0_270820181734_3.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 09:03 AM
http://boats.iboats.com/sites/checkmate/site_page_23663/images/l_obx-2800-front-view-lg.jpg

Instigator
01-01-2021, 09:05 AM
Thx Mo!

Trying to find cockpit shots of the classics w/wood trim, and I think some even had teak decks.

My boat has side storage bins along the sides of gunnels at floor that are currently wrapped w/carpet (matching what was on floor) and had cabin entry bulkheads that was Formica.

Current plan is to replace both w/stained n varnished Okume mahogany.

I think I’m going to cover the deck w/gray Seadek thats striped to look like planking.
They make wood grain pattern/color too but would probably be too much w/the other wood.

I want to reengineer the cabin entry to add a hatch to aid entry also but that may be delayed a while 😉

Instigator
01-01-2021, 09:06 AM
Basically identical to what I have now.



https://images.boats.com/resize/1/12/59/6821259_0_270820181734_3.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 09:28 AM
...look into what they call "landau" foam. it was originally used on landau tops on cars. it is a closed cell foam, available in a couple different thickness's, the most commonly used is 1/4" on boat interior panels in the cockpit, etc. ...glue it to the panels, then wrap & staple(s.s. staples) the vinyl covers. use NO wood in the cockpit. use pvc board. all different thicknesses available just like plyrot. the thicker the more costly, just like plyrot. its what most boat builders have been using for 20+ plus years now. can be glued, screwed & takes a staple perfectly. no rot. does'nt loose its shape over time. can be recovered by the next guy. should always be used as covered material though due to UV. its available in a few different colors, the most common being white. its available in a few different surface grades. the ruffer the surface grade, the cheaper the price. any color you can use, as its getting covered. also people think that just because its in a boat, that an interior can be hosed down all the time. false. an interior job should be treated the same as the interior in your car. covered, dryed, treated, etc.

Turborr
01-01-2021, 09:33 AM
https://images.boats.com/resize/1/92/53/6349253_20180212125639783_1_LARGE.jpg


What boat is this? I like that cockpit.

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 09:39 AM
...you buy landau foam at your local city's automotive upholstery materials wholesale house, or online...

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 09:58 AM
...1/4-20 threaded tee nuts, in stainless, is what you use to fasten cockpit interior side panels, along with the pvc board. you drill a hole in the preupholstered side panel for the tee-nut, in the strategic location thats best for your application, that has reach-around access, you hammer in a tee-nut into that drilled hole, and then thread into the backside of that tee-nut, a 1/4-20 STAINLESS stud, of the length you need to go through the boats side interior. 2 1/2 -3'' are most common. you can buy the tee-nuts at any good stainless fastener wholesale supply house, or online...https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/221311558314-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

Instigator
01-01-2021, 10:07 AM
Yep
Have used these for yrs.

Thats what holds the cushion on my sun lounge.
Was rotted when I bought it and had to rebuild it.


...1/4-20 threaded tee nuts, in stainless, is what you use to fasten cockpit interior side panels, along with the pvc board. you drill a hole in the preupholstered side panel for the tee-nut, in the strategic location thats best for your application, that has reach-around access, you hammer in a tee-nut into that drilled hole, and then thread into the backside of that tee-nut, a 1/4-20 STAINLESS stud, of the length you need to go through the boats side interior. 2 1/2 -3'' are most common. you can buy the tee-nuts at any good stainless fastener wholesale supply house, or online...https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/221311558314-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

FUJIMO
01-01-2021, 06:43 PM
...and then, when you go to install these side panels, you don't/can't use locknut type nuts. you use a regular flat washer(or fender washer), a regular lock washer, and a regular 1/4"-20 nut. all stainless only. we always used a little 90 degree, 1/4" drive,(or 3/8" drive) air wrench with a deepwell socket...that you simply reach back there & zip down the nut with. goes fast that way & doesn't over tighten the nut.

SCT
01-01-2021, 10:56 PM
I don’t believe Special K is a CM.

Gary, I’m glad you got the boat wet! Can’t wait for a ride someday.

Was the test ride at Delaware Res? Back in the early 80s, my dad and a buddy took a CM jetboat down there one cold December day for a test ride. They were the only truck at the main ramp. They put in and idled out towards the main channel. As they were running down the main channel on the east side, dad noticed the boat was filling up w- water (hose or something). They beached the boat on the far East side before it sank......and then had to hike thru briars and snow for miles to find a road and a ride.

FUJIMO
01-02-2021, 05:34 PM
...old school for gator...https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/attachments/classic-offshore/522604d1398468368-post-your-oldschool-ride-025.jpg

Instigator
01-03-2021, 01:24 PM
More like this.

Dont really care for the new styling.

Just found a local place for Okume too.
Thats huge!

FUJIMO
01-07-2021, 08:22 PM
https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/attachments/general-boating-discussion/551171d1455753961-miami-vice-season-2-scarab-changes-hands-img_183677854807732.jpeg

FUJIMO
01-07-2021, 08:24 PM
https://boats-from-usa.com/sites/default/files/boats/2017-08/07/140805/not-specified-1609935.png

Instigator
01-10-2021, 03:39 PM
**** like this is why this project ain’t done yet.

My brain starts more projects than I can finish!

Did this to my last Sonic too.

I don’t like the traditional anchor light that plugs into a socket the transom.
The socket fills w/water, corrodes and then doesn’t work.
The removable light gets lost, beat up, wet, and doesn’t work when needed.

The big one for me is the safety aspect.
On a boat that sits low at transom, high at bow, that light might might not even be visible to on coming traffic.

We spend a lot of nights at anchor and I want ALL traffic to see us.

Not quite as clean as not being there but I’m OK w/transferring from purely aesthetic to functional and safe.

Had to make a longer pole for this one then bend it to fit the form where it’s mounted.
Also had to fab the mount for windshield.

I really like how it came out.

Interesting lil tid bit is, where the lamp rests on the front deck, is a raised area that at some point in the deck molds life it used to have a socket there for the anchor light.

Ill glue down a small piece of rubber to cushion the lamp from the Lake Erie waves.

sonicss33
01-10-2021, 05:12 PM
Instead of rubber, how about using the larger prong Velcro strips like we use to hold Sunpass transponder to the windshield. It is clear and the adhesive is strong but easily removed if needed. They sell it at HD and can be cut to size.

Instigator
01-10-2021, 06:51 PM
Great idea.
I shall use it.

Thank you sir.


Instead of rubber, how about using the larger prong Velcro strips like we use to hold Sunpass transponder to the windshield. It is clear and the adhesive is strong but easily removed if needed. They sell it at HD and can be cut to size.

V-bottom
01-10-2021, 07:24 PM
The test wheel on your wall must help dialing in your engines at the ramp

MODVP22
01-10-2021, 08:30 PM
The test wheel on your wall must help dialing in your engines at the ramp
Aw man, you noticed that

tnelsmn
01-18-2021, 08:00 PM
...look into what they call "landau" foam. it was originally used on landau tops on cars. it is a closed cell foam, available in a couple different thickness's, the most commonly used is 1/4" on boat interior panels in the cockpit, etc. ...glue it to the panels, then wrap & staple(s.s. staples) the vinyl covers. use NO wood in the cockpit. use pvc board. all different thicknesses available just like plyrot. the thicker the more costly, just like plyrot. its what most boat builders have been using for 20+ plus years now. can be glued, screwed & takes a staple perfectly. no rot. does'nt loose its shape over time. can be recovered by the next guy. should always be used as covered material though due to UV. its available in a few different colors, the most common being white. its available in a few different surface grades. the ruffer the surface grade, the cheaper the price. any color you can use, as its getting covered. also people think that just because its in a boat, that an interior can be hosed down all the time. false. an interior job should be treated the same as the interior in your car. covered, dryed, treated, etc.


Something like this stuff?
https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-4-in-x-48-in-x-96-in-White-PVC-Panel-204496/205533723

Instigator
01-19-2021, 08:29 AM
Yep.

One of my favorite tools.

Drastically reduces tuning time on a new/unknown set up.
Especially idle and mid’s.
Will get you close on mains.

Load the jets/tools in the back of the truck and leave the boat strapped on the trailer.
Hit the ramp mid wk, mid day (no one around), back it in far enough to get the exhaust under water to put back pressure to the motor to set idle, do a pull, pull it to top of ramp, make changes, repeat.

Pull plugs to look at pistons etc.

In the Fla heat, I even set up anchor shades in the cockpit, over the motor to give shade.


The test wheel on your wall must help dialing in your engines at the ramp

FUJIMO
01-20-2021, 04:02 PM
Something like this stuff?
https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-4-in-x-48-in-x-96-in-White-PVC-Panel-204496/205533723
...yes. have been meaning to mention depot. was there a few days back & saw they stocked two or three different thicknesses in white. 1/2''...which is the most common for cockpit bolsters & seats, was $72.00 per sheet, which was a 4 x 8 full sheet. been meaning to post that... to add about the 1/4'' landau foam, what i neglected to mention, is that it is used to go over the top off your roughed in regular seat foam, to make the design super smooth, to accept your already sewn-up vinyl cover that you pull over & staple on the bottom. another trick that all upholsters use, is throwing a big piece of the thinest visqueen you can buy, think it was 1 milimeter, over the seat or bolster, before you try & slide the vinyl cover over the top. it will go on MUCH easier.

Instigator
01-31-2021, 09:40 AM
****ty weather here and still 2 months till boating season so I decided to pull my props from the wall and make sure the Merc props were drilled for my JohnRudes and sure enough, a couple were not.

Wanted to figure this out before testing time 😉

Been wanting to make a jig for this and finally did.
Made the job way easier and more accurate.

Measure twice, drill once 🤓

FUJIMO
01-31-2021, 03:41 PM
...man. haven't done that since the eighties. so long ago that the hubs were still made out of aluminum...:smiletest:...they drilled like butta'. if i remember, we used a one inch drill bit...and went one inch deep. then they made the hubs out of brass. a bit more crazy to drill but doable. then of coarse the removable hubs came out years after that...which you obviously don't have...

Instigator
03-18-2021, 04:22 PM
Kinda what I had in mind.

Back when “craftsmen” built our wooden boats.

Still have to build the louvered, double entry doors.

Instigator
04-10-2021, 05:09 PM
Built the doors today.

Still have to make the louvers but really like how it’s coming out.

Cary 29
04-10-2021, 06:59 PM
Looks amazing Gary. Awesome workmanship as always...

Instigator
04-11-2021, 06:51 AM
The boat that all my life, I’ve wanted to build.

I bought a Checkmate brochure on e-Bay that had the OB Convincor in but unfortunately our mail service lost it.
It reminded me though, of a discussion Mrichartz and I were having about the OB hulls (He has one) Vs the IO version.

Someone had told told him the hulls were way lighter than I though but the brochure says (I think) 2400 lbs for hull only which supports the weight of mine w/power.

The other thing was length.
He was fairly sure that the OB hull was 24’- something where the IO boat (mine) is 25’.
So I measured mine and solved that mystery too.

Mine is a full 25’ but........., the OB hulls have the splash wells cut into the rear deck which eliminates the 6” of overhang, over the transom that mine has.

Didnt catch it until measuring mine!

Cary 29
04-11-2021, 07:52 AM
That thing is going to be very fun. Accelerate like a monster. Much more than a single I/O

mrichartz
04-11-2021, 02:10 PM
F..just typed a long response to pm and questions and it just disappeared.. oh well.
Oh so it is 6 in or so longer. Have you weighted yours yet. I forget.or are you going to?
Yea mines 24'6" +-in or two. And is 25'+ to back of the original brackets on there.
So with the extra 6" no step in trans like mine engine, hatch different setup full swim bracket etc weight could be that much different...DID you ever weigh the bracket??
I dont remember.
Like I said I tore everything and anything out that was in there from cabinets to foam, seats etc why I was coming up lighter than it said in book too..those damn seats weighted 150 a piece I think..were a ton of plywood and big.
Oh yea messaged you about props but ..
I'm still looking for a lh 26 chopper to make the set just every damn time I find one $$$$ goes put the windowlime last week posted again looking and spent more on pixie(dog) at the vet surgery then I spend on my medical for years...lol priorities..dog first I can suck it up.
Yea was looking for a pair of 24s too l with the 8500 packs and compression.. figured if I could find them. Seems like everytime I find them $$$$ goes out the window..I just posted looking for them last week and when I found out about surgery for her..eh one of these days..

SCT
05-07-2021, 08:00 AM
What’s the latest progress Gator?

Instigator
05-08-2021, 06:34 AM
Michael, yes, I weighed mine.
Its a couple of pgs back.

Point is, hulls are the same.
Only the decks are different.

Shannon, pending our first decent weekend....., we’re going to spend the day/night on it at Buckeye Lake next weekend.

Have a new ship to shore, GPS, and inverter (for my morning coffee) to install/wire but won’t keep us from Buckeye.

Finished my louvered doors just need a couple more coats of varnish.


What’s the latest progress Gator?

Instigator
05-08-2021, 06:39 AM
I’m anxious to get it sorted we’ll enough to build two p.heads for it.

Can already tell it’s going to take way more set up than my Sonics did.
I’ve got a camping water jug that I’m going to fill and use for ballast in the anchor locker.

Never really worried about the kill tether in the Sonics but this one I do.
Last test session it pulled hard and that was w/the port motor down 1000 rpm ��


That thing is going to be very fun. Accelerate like a monster. Much more than a single I/O

mrichartz
05-08-2021, 12:24 PM
Man memory is..what was I...yea I remember now even remember reading it thinking how much with the swim platform weigh..

Probably only difference in hull is the step in the transom I have? Unless they changed it more from 84 to

Before I changed step up when I ran the 30 cleavers it didn't bounce etc handled a lot better than the choppers..was even faster from not having to use tabs
When I first got it I tried putting weight up there it didn't do a damn thing

JABCO_racing
05-11-2021, 12:25 PM
I just read through this thread because I'm in the middle of a similar project and saw my boat in here from 2018! We bought the other I/O/Outboard 251 from Bill in Connecticut this February.
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Started to replace the floor in it and the next thing I know I'm ripping out the rotten bulkheads in the cabin. Of course as soon as we started this project the price of plywood doubled but atleast this boat will be solid and dry now.

Putting it all back together now trying to get it ready for the Romp in June. Just got the Knees/Crossbrace glassed in and put the floor in as well. I wanted some extra reinforcement with the 30" setback bracket. This and some Aluminum angle should be plenty.

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Instigator, I completely agree with you that this boat is better suited for outboards the increased storage alone is worth it in my opinion. Not to mention the ability to fine tune your setup that you get with outboards thats near impossible with the I/Os. Excited to see what numbers you can pull out of your setup! Aiming for mid 70s with ours. Keep up the good work!

Instigator
05-11-2021, 06:00 PM
Very cool!

Im no expert but I think your knees are big enough ��

JABCO_racing
05-12-2021, 07:20 AM
Very cool!

Im no expert but I think your knees are big enough ��

Theres no such thing as big enough! Lol I wanted to brace that giant platform in there good and strong. Who knows what's gonna happen to this boat... I keep having dreams of it with triples :eek:.

Got some more glass work done last night. Hopefully will be done with fiberglass on this project by the end of the week then onto reassembly.

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Apologies if this was already mentioned but what is the overall set back you're running now?

Instigator
05-13-2021, 05:32 AM
Pulled it out to get some air and check hitch height on the new Boat Tug.

Instigator
05-30-2021, 02:49 PM
Why it ain’t done yet, and as a close friend says, never will be.

On the other hand, did find new wheels for the new boat tug.
Should be here today.

keefallan
05-31-2021, 04:56 PM
Great job on the woodworking 'Gator! Really nice. :thumbsup::thumbsup:You get the two thumbs up!!! What did you use for the finish? Clearcoat? Varnish? Sikkens?

Cary 29
05-31-2021, 05:28 PM
Excellent work as usual Gary. Very nice. Class act

XstreamVking
06-02-2021, 02:33 PM
The old girls looking sweet....Come a long way....lotta work and it shows.

Instigator
06-02-2021, 06:34 PM
Not ignoring your question but keep forgetting to look when I’m in the shop.

I changed mid stream too.
Bulkheads are one thing, doors another.

I do know to get red mahogany tint I wanted, it was “gunstock” stain.



Great job on the woodworking 'Gator! Really nice. :thumbsup::thumbsup:You get the two thumbs up!!! What did you use for the finish? Clearcoat? Varnish? Sikkens?

keefallan
06-03-2021, 03:46 AM
Not ignoring your question but keep forgetting to look when I’m in the shop.

I changed mid stream too.
Bulkheads are one thing, doors another.

I do know to get red mahogany tint I wanted, it was “gunstock” stain.

No worries Gary. I was just curious. I am a very passionate woodworker...and I was just curious about the finish. I keep going back and forth with what kind of finish to use on my boat stuff. I have used all of the ones I mentioned.....except clearcoat on wood(boats). Sikkens, teak oil, spar varnish.......all been used by me, and they all fail eventually.......its just hard to keep woodworking pristine on a boat. But, where you have the wood, water wont be an issue. My wood sees water on a big basis. So, I get the privilege of re-doing my stuff every few years. I get to redo my transom cap on my crab boat because of the water. The swim platform was just completed a month ago........3 coats of spar varnish.;)

Keith

Instigator
06-03-2021, 05:45 AM
I like Sikkens and was going to use it but was already but was already filling grain w/spar varnish and Sikkens said not to overcoat other finishes.

And you’re right.
My wood will see way less harsh conditions than a real boat.
Part of why I did it.



No worries Gary. I was just curious. I am a very passionate woodworker...and I was just curious about the finish. I keep going back and forth with what kind of finish to use on my boat stuff. I have used all of the ones I mentioned.....except clearcoat on wood(boats). Sikkens, teak oil, spar varnish.......all been used by me, and they all fail eventually.......its just hard to keep woodworking pristine on a boat. But, where you have the wood, water wont be an issue. My wood sees water on a big basis. So, I get the privilege of re-doing my stuff every few years. I get to redo my transom cap on my crab boat because of the water. The swim platform was just completed a month ago........3 coats of spar varnish.;)

Keith

Instigator
06-23-2021, 06:54 AM
Finally getting back on my feet after starting a new job that thoroughly kicked my ass for the first two months.

Helm is basically done other than wiring the GPS.

Just wired nav and cabin lights and VHF.

Is to the point of being safe on local water and very close to being Lake Erie worthy.

Did some playing w/scales and weight yesterday.

Dont want to change much on weight distribution yet as I haven’t run it w/full tank yet and know it will change everything.

The water jug goes in the anchor locker and will supply a galley/sink when I build it and porta potti will go in entry of vee birth.
(Supply tank is full of water on scales.)

As you can see, pretty much out of space on helm.
Fuel gauge is bellow/forward of throttles ��

Based on the tiny bit of seat time, and seeing 70 on the meter, even w/one motor down 1200 R’s, which it no longer is, I expect this thing to be an absolute rocket!

If it runs like it should, I may blow off painting the deck this Winter and instead, build two p.heads.
What do you guys think?

Should we start a poll ��

Instigator
06-23-2021, 06:55 AM
Oh yeah, and found wheels for the new Boat Tug.

SCT
06-23-2021, 08:51 AM
Gator, I’ll be interested to hear how the Convincor rides in Erie chop compared to your Sonic. I’m sure it’s faster.

powerabout
06-23-2021, 08:51 AM
engine rebuilds and paint sound like 2 perfect winter jobs
Plus a thread on your 225HO/250 cook book, we need an engine thread to revive this site.

sonicss33
06-23-2021, 04:27 PM
Coming along nicely. Did you consider putting the 2 shift levers side by side instead of on the outside of throttles? It’s a personal preference but I liked mine close together, as it was easier to crab walk the boat when docking for me. Using only one hand. But I do have big paws. :cool:

Instigator
06-23-2021, 05:25 PM
I had that damn box apart and back together a dozen times just for that reason!


I did it the way I did it because I like keeping them separated so I don’t grab the wrong one by mistake.
But I do like your thinking and we’ll see how it plays out.
That’s a big bonus to keeping the motors down so the boat reacts around dock.

On my first 24 Sonic where I had the motors to the moon you couldn’t even spin the bow into the wind!

Second one where I left them down it reminded me how much fun it was to know how to dock a boat in a crowd :-)


Coming along nicely. Did you consider putting the 2 shift levers side by side instead of on the outside of throttles? It’s a personal preference but I liked mine close together, as it was easier to crab walk the boat when docking for me. Using only one hand. But I do have big paws. :cool:

MODVP22
06-23-2021, 08:06 PM
That’s something I would second guess over and over as long as I owned lol

Instigator
07-09-2021, 06:46 AM
This afternoon we head to the Huron boat basin for the weekend for the shakedown cruise of the project.

Keep your fingers crossed :-)

1954bmw
07-09-2021, 07:47 AM
Keep waiting for guys in orange jump suits to pile out of that van! Good luck!!!

Instigator
07-10-2021, 07:42 AM
Got up late enough last night all we made it was from the ramp across the river to the boat basin.

Good news is the weatherman was wrong and the weather is absolutely stunning!

Plus it is Huron River Fest this weekend which is their biggest event with bands in the amphitheater on the side of the marina, parades, fireworks etc.

Used to have a tunnel boat races during this event back in the 70s.

Best news of the morning was my inverter worked so we had fresh coffee on the boat this morning :-)

CUDA
07-11-2021, 02:09 PM
Looks Great Gary

300hp:cheers::leaving:

My 3.2 300XS has 250 on the cover:D

I bought 3 250XS motors a ways back,$11,000 the guy just paid his mechanic to respray the three with black Imron paint and new stickers, so why change, Tommy Dunn installed a new stroker crank and freshen up the ECU on a Chaz cut down 15" :D

CUDA
07-11-2021, 10:57 PM
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=490100&d=1625831164Don't tell me you bought a grey van to match boat...:D

Instigator
07-12-2021, 06:39 AM
The good:

1. Two 60+ yr old FOF’s (fat old fukrs) made it through the tiny cabin doors a zillion times w/no issue.

2. Cabin is way bigger than it looked during rigging.

3. Vee birth cushions rock! Lows of 60 both nights.
Hatches open, slight breeze....., slept like babies!

4. Inverter worked great for making coffee, charging phones and my RC boat until forgetting to turn it off and killing the “house battery”.
Its a good inverter though and sounded an alarm and shut off before totally killing battery. (Still started a motor)

5. Overall, boat did excellent as a weekender.

6. W/all the weight of weekending crap in the bow, there was zero hop, into the low 40’s which was all I could mange due to lake conditions, sick motor, and wife on board ��

7. The van rocks as the new tow pig.

The bad:

1. My to do list is now larger than when we left Friday!

2. Port motor is still unhappy. Dies around dock and this boat on one motor, in the wind, goes where wind blows it!
I adjusted carb air bleed screws at dock and cured that for the short trip back to trailer.

The Starboard is strong and waiting to be let off it’s leash.
W/two healthy motors, this thing will be a weapon!

3. Tabs aren’t good enough for Lake Erie.
We managed 40 mls to Kelley’s Island and back in 2’ - 4’ waves but at too high of speed for this boat.
Due to min mounting area on transom due to my bracket design, I had to install short rams just to have tabs.
The secret to a small boat on that lake is as slow of planing speed as possible.
Right now that’s 25 mph and needs to be 20.

Im going to add extensions to the plates themselves as an attempted cure.

4. Trailer needs more tongue weight.

Heres the view from the only dry place in the boat upon awaking to rain on Sunday.

SCT
07-12-2021, 07:09 AM
Glad you had a semi successful first outing, Gary! The boat looks awesome.

You need some Dana 1200 tabs😁........

CUDA
07-12-2021, 01:07 PM
What motor in Ford

I bought a E 150 new 1977 drove it to 360,000 miles

Then parted it out selling that 300 straight 6 always used Mobile 1 was still tight, it was like a diesel no hp just low end grunt.

It saved me from DUI's went to sleep instead of driving, motel on wheels saved money and convenient, Got a 08 Duramax 6.6 diesel with 100hp flash 2 ft high top long bed the queen of the highway gets 18 Hy

Instigator
07-29-2021, 07:29 PM
Tomorrow we head back to the big lake w/high hopes.

I swapped VRO’s (fuel pump) on the problematic port motor and went to the local pond for a test.
No improvement.

While still at the ramp, I pulled the air box w/that motor lit.
No fuel flow through carb feeding #5.
BINGO!

Dissected once home and found that needle (new from rebuild kit) sticking in its seat.
A huge discovery for what I’ve been chasing as an intermittent issue.

Also, shift interrupter in same motor was DOA and aggravating my shifting issues.

Corrected that as well and have huge positive vibes heading north tomorrow.

If the port motor now runs and shifts...., my “to do” lists get smaller instead of larger.

And, as if God is smiling on me, weather is supposed to be perfect!

Low tomorrow night forecast to be 55*.
PERFECT for sleeping on the boat!

Once again, fingers crossed.

SCT
08-08-2021, 03:36 PM
What’s the latest, Gary? Motors running better?

Instigator
08-08-2021, 07:08 PM
Nope.

Im oh and two.

Port motor is still dropping a cylinder at idle and don’t know why.
In neutral, at dock, RPM fluctuates 500.

In neutral, it’s annoying.

Underway, in/out of harbors it’s a butt puckerer.
When it drops that cylinder, you lose control and it turns to Starboard.
When that cylinder kicks in, you pick up 500 RPM, and you turn to port.

Has to be a bad electrical connection that I haven’t found or a several yr old, near zero hr power pack is bad.

Mean time, I’m playing with V-8 parts and a 2.7 looper I’m building for a customer going F-150 tunnel boat racing.

This is what happens when you build a project from e-Bay crap.


What’s the latest, Gary? Motors running better?