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Greg G
12-09-2018, 11:40 AM
https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/boa/d/evinrude-250-hptwins-two/6742450432.html

SCT
12-09-2018, 12:21 PM
Way high but you never know....
https://charlotte.craigslist.org/bpo/d/evinrude-etec-250s/6756015871.html


Ooops, after reading the complete ad and hours, forget about it.

Good luck in your search-

Instigator
12-09-2018, 12:36 PM
Thx for watching out for me guys.

In ‘98 or ‘99 Evinrude went to direct injected motors, Fichts, which I do not want.
Johnsons were carbed motors until they’re demize in ‘2000.

One set listed above were 30” motors also and I need 25’s.

The Mrs got laid off a month ago so in survival mode for now.

A popped pair of 250 Ocean Pros, at this point, would be perfect.

One dumb ass idea rattling around in my head is, take Frank III and replace the 3.3 block w/a 250 ported 3.0 block and screw it all together.
280-ish hp, 7k stump pulling motor.
Everything on that p.head is new so only need to clone another one and I’m done.

BTW, that 20” mid and Lighting gear case will likely be for sale for seed money soon.

Thx again guys.

mrichartz
12-09-2018, 01:15 PM
Thx for watching out for me guys.

In ‘98 or ‘99 Evinrude went to direct injected motors, Fichts, which I do not want.
Johnsons were carbed motors until they’re demize in ‘2000.

One set listed above were 30” motors also and I need 25’s.

The Mrs got laid off a month ago so in survival mode for now.

A popped pair of 250 Ocean Pros, at this point, would be perfect.

One dumb ass idea rattling around in my head is, take Frank III and replace the 3.3 block w/a 250 ported 3.0 block and screw it all together.
280-ish hp, 7k stump pulling motor.
Everything on that p.head is new so only need to clone another one and I’m done.

BTW, that 20” mid and Lighting gear case will likely be for sale for seed money soon.

Thx again guys.

Go with franken lll..your half way there and you'll know what you have when it's done.

Instigator
12-09-2018, 02:20 PM
Agreed.

Once Pauls check clears then we’ll see what turns up but that’s top of list for now.

One issue is Ohio requires titles for motors. Which sucks and one more thing I hate about this state.





Go with franken lll..your half way there and you'll know what you have when it's done.

Instigator
12-10-2018, 08:23 PM
Have a lead on one motor in Fla.
Have a buddy checking it out for me.
If legit he will haul/store it for me until we can road trip down.

Fingers crossed.

mrichartz
12-10-2018, 08:51 PM
For Frankenlll pair? Or good running motor?

Instigator
12-10-2018, 09:37 PM
Good running motor.

My plan now is to go through both motors to build a matching pair of FrankenRude IIIs.

I have two sets of 2.7 heads and a pair of late era medium bore carbs that are my favorites for a lake boat.
Frank III already has stuffed intakes and front half and Boyesen reeds.


For Frankenlll pair? Or good running motor?

Dave S
12-11-2018, 04:48 AM
Have a 20 inch 225 V rude....vindakator.... next to A gore and Darth V..... lots of parts Come clean my yard / Shop.......I am merc.....Also 2 Merc 225 optis in a local shop.....$1800......I like carbs......

Instigator
12-11-2018, 09:30 AM
Have a 20 inch 225 V rude....vindakator.... next to A gore and Darth V..... lots of parts Come clean my yard / Shop.......I am merc.....Also 2 Merc 225 optis in a local shop.....$1800......I like carbs......
Motor needs to be 25”.
I have a line on a 20” motor for a donor powerhead but have not acted.

Thx Dave I’ll call you today.

mrichartz
12-12-2018, 10:48 AM
Sonic 1 at speed.

It flew way better and was 10 mphs faster than #2 and never figured out why.

Follow the lifting strikes and transom lines and there’s no bottom in the water.
That boat came w/20” motors and they drowned coming off/on plane.
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=425487&d=1544578611

So ? Sonic 1 20" setback,plus jackplates.. is that running with jackplates in pic? And those are 20 or 25 "

How were each setup motor height etc

Looks awesome!

Instigator
12-12-2018, 02:34 PM
One down, one to go.

’1999 225, installed new in ‘2000 on 24’ Hydrasports which it just came off of.
Dealer maintained from day 1, rebuilt gear case 6 months before removal.
Near Zero corrosion and perfect compression.

Comes w/harness, controls and spare stainless prop.
$1500.

Now have reason for a Fla trip.

A special thank you to Don Dings (magnum2.5) who w/a 24 hr notice drove an hr to do the inspection for me.
He is also storing it for me until I can get down there and pick it up.

Only in Scream and Fly!

69Jetflte
12-12-2018, 06:52 PM
One down, one to go.

’1999 225, installed new in ‘2000 on 24’ Hydrasports which it just came off of.
Dealer maintained from day 1, rebuilt gear case 6 months before removal.
Near Zero corrosion and perfect compression.

Comes w/harness, controls and spare stainless prop.
$1500.

Now have reason for a Fla trip.

A special thank you to Don Dings (magnum2.5) who w/a 24 hr notice drove an hr to do the inspection for me.
He is also storing it for me until I can get down there and pick it up.

Only in Scream and Fly!

Wow, How cool of him to do that!

nitro_rat
12-12-2018, 07:56 PM
Wow, How cool of him to do that!

"Ask and ye shall recieve!" Scream and Fly has the best members, always willing to help out!

Instigator
12-16-2018, 04:47 PM
Working on the sun lounge this week.

It has seen better days and needs some love.
After 30+ yrs of use/abuse, the hinges have worked loose, as did the lift supports which allowed water intrusion which then rotted some of the core.
On top of this, the seam between top/bottom had separated in areas.

When they cut the hole for the hood scoop (which I got a $100 for) they did it right and sealed the balsa core that was exposed but not so much on the mounting bolt holes which caused more rot for me to dig out.

All repairs have been made and Im on the cosmetics now.

mrichartz
12-16-2018, 04:51 PM
Oh question in post 261 if you remember

Instigator
12-16-2018, 05:42 PM
Yeah was in an earlier post.

In that picture, 20” setback, no plates and yes, 25” motors, both Sonics.


Oh question in post 261 if you remember

Instigator
12-16-2018, 06:15 PM
That was my first 24’ Sonic.
It came with 20” 2.4s which I changed to 25” 250 OMCs.
That boat ran 80.

The second one came w/25” 225 3.0 Mercs on a 24” bracket. It ran 67 GPS.
W/warmed up 225 OMCs it ran 70.
Raised/lowered motors, tried a wall of props (that ran 80 on first one), stock gear cases, Lightning’s etc.
I had it upside down to paint hull and planned to blue print bottom which was terrible but never did.
Cant see it being 10 mphs though.

They were inner liner boats too so you couldn’t tell if it was still glued together or not.

Again, look at the two pixs and you can see which one is faster.




I read it in the post, was just curious you said it came with 20" motors if you changed it before that pic.
No setup differences that would account for the 10 mph difference

mrichartz
12-16-2018, 06:44 PM
Bad bottom and it coming unglued could be 10mph
At least could be big part

Instigator
12-16-2018, 06:50 PM
Agreed.

Two sets of motors too, w/no change.
So it wasn’t motors.


Bad bottom and it coming unglued could be 10mph
At least could be big part

baja200merk
12-17-2018, 02:07 PM
A guy in the keys removed the bottom paint from a 30 concept and claims its 7mph faster :o

Chaz
12-17-2018, 11:27 PM
A guy in the keys removed the bottom paint from a 30 concept and claims its 7mph faster :o

Yea .. but they gotz a special coral reef paint removal system down there .. :eek:

Instigator
12-18-2018, 07:31 AM
Laugh but:

Had a dock neighbor at Lake Erie that bought a new 33' Scarab center console w/twin 225's.
Gorgeous boat that ran low 60's for its newbie owner.
It stayed in water, at dock w/no bottom paint.

Couple months later he and the gang were loading up w/scrub brushs and cleaning supplies.
When I quizzed him he reported that top speed had dropped to 30, it would barely plane and they were headed to the beach to scrub the bottom.

Yea .. but they gotz a special coral reef paint removal system down there .. :eek:

Instigator
12-19-2018, 12:03 PM
And then there were two.

An excellent score.

'1999 250 hp carb motor. Same as the 225 HO and IMO, the best carb motor they ever built.
One owner, dealer maintained, repower trade, w/rigging, harness, stainless prop, oil tank etc.
Clean as a pin, zero corrosion.

Pending satisfactory inspection and compression test happening now.

Have leads on two more donor motors/p.heads for FrankenRude upgrades and then swap p.heads and keep these for spares.

Really getting geeked to get these motors, paint them silver to match the boat, screw em on and spend a Saturday in a lawn chair beside a cooler, staring at the project.
Love it!

BTW, sun lounge is done and ready for paint.

TNT
12-19-2018, 02:28 PM
And then there were two.

An excellent score.

'1999 250 hp carb motor. Same as the 225 HO and IMO, the best carb motor they ever built.
One owner, dealer maintained, repower trade, $2300 w/rigging, harness, stainless prop, oil tank etc.
Clean as a pin, zero corrosion.

Pending satisfactory inspection and compression test happening now.

Have leads on two more donor motors/p.heads for FrankenRude upgrades and then swap p.heads and keep these for spares.

Really getting geeked to get these motors, paint them silver to match the boat, screw em on and spend a Saturday in a lawn chair beside a cooler, staring at the project.
Love it!

BTW, sun lounge is done and ready for paint.

Congrats Gary! Awesome find.

Instigator
12-19-2018, 06:14 PM
Thx guys.
Its coming together.

I think my propeller collection is up to 5 pairs ;)

Instigator
12-28-2018, 05:19 PM
Came out of the mold good.

Basic shape and size are also good.
Ill finish mocking it up and fitting it to the boat then glass the bajesus out of it.

I like it so far.

BTW, its about 3" low where its hanging on the back of the boat.

mrichartz
12-28-2018, 06:01 PM
Looks really Good! Would think it Weighs a bit less than stainless or aluminum(at least some) Any idea how much it weighs.. And definitely cost less
5 sets of props what sizes? I may have to visit lol.. hopefully I got it close enough the first time can't wait to find out.

Dave Strong
12-29-2018, 01:25 AM
Came out of the mold good.

Basic shape and size are also good.
Ill finish mocking it up and fitting it to the boat then glass the bajesus out of it.

I like it so far.

BTW, its about 3" low where its hanging on the back of the boat.

Looks good, is the bottom open or closed up?

Dave

Instigator
12-29-2018, 07:52 AM
Closed.

Going to figure increase in buoyancy.


Looks good, is the bottom open or closed up?

Dave

CUDA
12-29-2018, 10:34 AM
Nice!

Dave Strong
12-29-2018, 11:31 AM
Closed.

Going to figure increase in buoyancy.

Would be a whole lot of drag coming onto plane if it was open.

Dave

Instigator
12-29-2018, 11:38 AM
According to my math, the enclosed center pod = 340 lbs of bouyancy.
I like that a lot.

Should make up for the additional weight and moving it backwards 4’.

JUPITER PULSARE
12-29-2018, 12:03 PM
Came out of the mold good.

Basic shape and size are also good.
Ill finish mocking it up and fitting it to the boat then glass the bajesus out of it.

I like it so far.

BTW, its about 3" low where its hanging on the back of the boat.

Gary, how much set back did you build into that bracket. I would keep it at an absolute minimum (6-12" max) due to the weight of the motors and narrow beam at the transom. I was running 25" of setback on my Checkmate 2800 and that was too much. It was great for running fast (55+) but not much else...especially after rigging the 3.0L motors. Had I kept my boat, I would've re-rigged her with a Bob's Tandam hyd. 6" jackplate or maybe had Scott Porta build a small setback hyd. Jackplate. There's not a lot of width in the planning surface of the 25' and 28' Checkmates to carry a heavy load at slower speeds (which is one of the reasons they're so fast when running above 60 mph--less friction due to less surface drag). In the end, I wound up getting the boat to consistently run 76+ mph with a full tank (96 gallons) and full cabin (bunks, v birth, cabinets, gear) running the Merc 3.0L 250 EFI's with a set of Mercury Bravo One FS 28's (which I still have). I also thought about moving the batteries into the cabin to help change the COG but never got around to it...

Cary 29
12-29-2018, 12:51 PM
Jupiter, how much does your 28' Checkmate weigh aprox. Fully rigged of course?

Cary 29
12-29-2018, 12:52 PM
Sorry also the beam?

JUPITER PULSARE
12-29-2018, 02:22 PM
Jupiter, how much does your 28' Checkmate weigh aprox. Fully rigged of course?

The standard hull weight was listed at 3200 lbs. My boat was layed up with AME 4000 epoxy resin which was lighter than the standard layup; so conservatively speaking:
Hull = 3000 lbs
Dry Weight of each motor = 477 lbs (477 X 2 = 954lbs)
96 gallon fuel = 614.4 lbs (96 X 6.4lbs = 614.4 lbs)
batteries = 100 lbs (2 X 50 lbs = 100 lbs)
cabin/cockpit weight guestimate = 300 lbs
rigging/steering = 100 lbs

Total with fuel = 5068.4 lbs estimate

Gary's boat should be very close. I can't imagine there is a big variance between the 25' and 28' Checkmates..

I hope that answers your question! lol

Cary 29
12-29-2018, 03:17 PM
Wow that's pretty light,no wonder it's fast for that power...

baja200merk
12-29-2018, 03:17 PM
I’ve tried that math and been happily surprised and very shocked at the scales :eek:

gary bracket looks great :thumbsup:

Cary 29
12-29-2018, 04:13 PM
Yeah wish sometimes my boat wasn't so heavy, but it rides unbelievable in rough water which is what we run in quite often. Only went 70mph with 300xs. 18":sm box with 6" jackplate s

Instigator
12-30-2018, 11:06 AM
I spent a lot of time/money trying to figure out why my first Sonic kept eating trailer tires.

I was guestimating 4500 - 5000 lbs complete.
Finally towed it across a set of scales (after 4th set of 4 tires) and died when they handed me a slip saying 6600 lbs!
The C class tires gave me 6300 capacity ;)
On my first move to Fla, we used the Sonic as a U-Haul. Cabin was packed (including a 40" TV) to the ceiling and cockpit to the gunnel.
Blew 1st tire before crossing Ohio line, 2 in Ky and 3 rd in Dekalb Ga at 2 AM.
Doh!

Ive tried that math and been happily surprised and very shocked at the scales :eek:

gary bracket looks great :thumbsup:

Instigator
12-30-2018, 11:13 AM
Guessing 100 - 150 when done.

The aluminum 19" I had built for the first 24' Sonic weighed 150 which was identical to the two 75 lb, steel tube Gil bracket it replaced.

The 24'" glass bracket on Sonic #2 was very close in weight to the aluminum.


Looks really Good! Would think it Weighs a bit less than stainless or aluminum(at least some) Any idea how much it weighs.. And definitely cost less
5 sets of props what sizes? I may have to visit lol.. hopefully I got it close enough the first time can't wait to find out.

Cary 29
12-30-2018, 11:14 AM
Hahaha that is funny ,Gary. Yeah all I know is I have a slip from Bob Latham that had my boat weighing 10,100 lbs. That was with a cheap aluminum float-on triple axle trailer. No winch post.... Flimsy fenders weighed maybe 1000lbs? 454s Trs drives etc... Standard heavy exhaust,etc... I don't know about fuel load...but going to outboards I wonder the weight now?

baja200merk
12-30-2018, 11:15 AM
A buddy bought a 23 searay laguna center console from a doctor. The guy just wanted to tow it to the keys and the trailer that came with it had a blow out. Left him stranded on alligator ally. He went to Owens and sons by us and had them build a 8lug triple axle 12” i-beam so if something went wrong he could take 4 of 6 tires off and still keep truckin. :D people say less is more when it comes to trailers more is more :thumbsup:

the t-3 trailer really needs Z rated tires it’s been 120+ Behind the cummins I slowed down after picturing the tire blowing the fender off and destroying the boat. :eek:

Instigator
12-30-2018, 02:11 PM
On a 7 hr trip to Dale Hollow Lake, the Sonic trailer blew a tire that took out the brake lines.
I skidded through several intersections on the remainder of that trip.

I did get good at changing flats though. I could be back on road in 15 mins after blowing a tire.
No, Im not proud of that ;)

The guy that sold me this boat laughed when I asked him about a spare. Said the trailer was new and didnt need one :o
Found one in his shed and sold it to me for e $50.
The friend that picked the boat up in Long Island for me called to say, "you know this guy sold you a flat spare w/no valve stem right?"
Sumtin about NY and Miami ;)

H2OPERF
12-30-2018, 11:44 PM
Man that Bracket looks great,nice work Gary..

Instigator
12-31-2018, 08:08 AM
Thx Dave.

Its coming together.


Man that Bracket looks great,nice work Gary..

89LASER
12-31-2018, 10:41 AM
Beautiful work. Finish looks like a table top.

CUDA
12-31-2018, 08:40 PM
Any more pictures of that motor bracket

I have a swim/motor aluminum bracket that has 30" of set back, too much

I want to build a bracket that runs the full seven-foot beam 4 inches above the bottom,

Instigator
01-02-2019, 07:51 AM
The motor board is two layers of 3/4, 11 ply Okume w/2 layers of 2 oz mat sandwiched between as glue.
Standard 1/4 ply as side bulkheads.
I slotted the flanges of the platform to allow it to sit on top of motor board bulkheads.
That will be boxed in after insides are glasses.





Any more pictures of that motor bracket

I have a swim/motor aluminum bracket that has 30" of set back, too much

I want to build a bracket that runs the full seven-foot beam 4 inches above the bottom,

H2OPERF
01-02-2019, 10:47 AM
Honey I promise i will have that sliding glass door on before dark....Crap this stuff doesn't cure as fast up here in the cold..Honey were gonna need the thick blankets tonite lol...

Instigator
01-02-2019, 04:14 PM
Just ordered more resin from Ft Pierce Fla and they always laugh at how much catalyst I order.

I build sheds over everything and stick a Walmart space heater in it to cure the glass.
Used a drop cloth for a tent on the back of the boat to cure the knees w/the same heater.
Anf the patch for where stupid scoop was.

Instigator
01-03-2019, 11:15 AM
Another lil jewel to p/u during my Fla travels.

Very, very rare.
Circa '1985.

magnum2.5
01-03-2019, 07:00 PM
gary, picked me up a new toy also...19' ACTION MARINE and trailer....SWEET my favorite...hyd steering, hot foot,allum fuel tank.
, jack plate...just no motor...

Dave Strong
01-03-2019, 07:20 PM
Another lil jewel to p/u during my Fla travels.

Very, very rare.
Circa '1985.

Well at least that one looks like you can use it the way it is. Not needing a full rebuild.;)

Dave

AZMIDLYF
01-03-2019, 07:25 PM
gary, picked me up a new toy also...19' ACTION MARINE and trailer....SWEET my favorite...hyd steering, hot foot,allum fuel tank.
, jack plate...just no motor...

Fun hulls...had one back in the 80s.

mrichartz
01-04-2019, 04:05 PM
I think there's a difference in years and in 25-28.. and I could be wrong!
My '84 25' weighs just over 3007# with everything, batteries (Just 2, have 3 when camping)etc.
except only about 30 gals of fuel
I did pull out the heavy front seats swapped in lighter ones and all the cabin interior I didn't want(all cushion and bed are there just took out the seat backs and a opened a bulkhead a foam to gett more storage) i think that was 400-500 then i added jackplates and some small stuff.
Weighted it after I changed everything but don't think i took out that much again I could be wrong when I started I didn't weight everything coming or back in. So I don't know what it was to start.
I know looking at the nada book which I dont know if it even close it shows a big difference in years and weight

You also have cabinets etc in your cabin I can't remember all the extra stuff in the 28s cabin
Do you have any pics of the interior?

That's why I was really curious what his weighted before he started and after.



The standard hull weight was listed at 3200 lbs. My boat was layed up with AME 4000 epoxy resin which was lighter than the standard layup; so conservatively speaking:
Hull = 3000 lbs
Dry Weight of each motor = 477 lbs (477 X 2 = 954lbs)
96 gallon fuel = 614.4 lbs (96 X 6.4lbs = 614.4 lbs)
batteries = 100 lbs (2 X 50 lbs = 100 lbs)
cabin/cockpit weight guestimate = 300 lbs
rigging/steering = 100 lbs

Total with fuel = 5068.4 lbs estimate

Gary's boat should be very close. I can't imagine there is a big variance between the 25' and 28' Checkmates..

I hope that answers your question! lol

Instigator
01-06-2019, 03:21 PM
A $50 e-bay bow hatch to replace the orig and progress on the bracket.

Mike, I am going to tow mine to the scales before long.

Instigator
01-11-2019, 09:04 AM
Score motor #2.

The guy on the 250 spent 3 wks telling me he was doing the inspection the next day so once again, I punted.

The wife had to be in Fla on biz so I followed ��
We flew down and rented a car and found that Alamo rents trucks ��

Drove to Cape Coral last night and after a successful compression test, bought this 400 hr, ‘2000 200hp JohnRude. A carb change (home in a box) and I now have a matching twin to the first motor.

Also found a bike that was too clean to pass up ��

I see my thread has been relocated so let’s see if it now dies from neglect.

baja200merk
01-11-2019, 01:46 PM
Don’t forget ur gonna need to widdle on that exhaust port to make them match. Those late 3.0 blocks have a smaller chest might help bottom end on the heavy boat but they did make less power than the earlier ones. Also i saw one with flanged sleeves but I think that was a ficht.



Dave u believe this guy comes to fl no phone call doesn’t stop for a beer :eek:

69Jetflte
01-11-2019, 03:25 PM
I don't think it will die, I am following your build. I would love to come check it out sometime. I am only an hour from you!

Instigator
01-12-2019, 02:09 PM
I don't think it will die, I am following your build. I would love to come check it out sometime. I am only an hour from you!
Come out any time.

Kevin, schedule sucked this trip.

Got in Tues eve, took the Mrs to Immokalee from Vero Weds morn, then to the Cape for the 2nd motor then back to Vero 9 Weds night.
400 mls

Thursday morning to Plant City and back.
250 mls

Today, sunshine and beer.
Home tomorrow.

I did want to go see what KeysDave is whittling on but I’m about done driving for this trip.

I pulled the plug on the 250 after waiting 3 wks for a compression test.
So now, both motors are identical ‘2000 3.0’s.
Ill probably screw on 2.7 heads, paint em and nothing else.

Then probably build FrankenRude IV and a brother ��

CUDA
01-12-2019, 06:16 PM
https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=212&acctid=8555

69Jetflte
01-16-2019, 08:52 PM
Anything new going on? Tom

Scream And Fly
01-17-2019, 01:56 AM
Instigator Gary, I really enjoyed this thread. I've said it often but I'll say it again - build-up and restoration threads are always my favorite. That's really what this site was started for, and it's still the very best content here. Thank you for posting it Gary, and the Checkmate look fantastic! Now, when do I get to photograph it? :)

I love the GS700 as well, nice score on that one!

Greg

Instigator
01-18-2019, 10:19 AM
Thx Greg.

Picked up the motor in the back of the truck a 1/2 mile from your house.
W/a better schedule we would have called for lunch
We did have blackend Grouper on the water at Berts Bar in Matlacha ;)

As to progress for Jetflite, yes.

Started slinging glass at the bracket and is coming along nicely.
Plan is/was to have it done and installed before bringing the motors home from Fla though time is waning.
Want to get to that point ASAP so I can temp hang motors to head to ramp and see how it floats to determine weight distribution.

I have built up 1/8" of glass on both sides of motorboard section and ready to move on to box/enclosure.
Im happy w/how its coming/looking.

Also, just rec'd replacement hinges for the sun lounge lid so I can mock it up then take it to the Checkmate factory for them to repair the cushion where the hood scoop used to be.

Greg, remember this? ;)

PS, on the GS, the classic bike market is appreciating aggressively.
I plan on owning 4 or 5 for retirement investments.
Way more fun than a 401K and easy to sell off any/all.
Put them right by your museum Stream ;)



@Instigator (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?u=127) Gary, I really enjoyed this thread. I've said it often but I'll say it again - build-up and restoration threads are always my favorite. That's really what this site was started for, and it's still the very best content here. Thank you for posting it Gary, and the Checkmate look fantastic! Now, when do I get to photograph it? :)

I love the GS700 as well, nice score on that one!

Greg

Instigator
01-19-2019, 05:02 AM
Greg, remember this?

Tried posting these to previous reply but had technical issues.

Instigator
01-19-2019, 05:50 AM
Headway.

Installed the center bulkhead to the bracket and fit the motor board braces. Plan to glass them in today.

Got the new hinges for the lid for the sun lounge and mocked it up and looks good.
That stupid thing is the main driver behind this project.
BTW, heres a good one for you. As delivered, the lounge was very hard to open and close but I wrote this off to all the mounting hardware being loose.
That was part of the cause but not all.
Although the orig gas shocks for the lid were old, worn, rusted etc, I kept them to spec a new set to.
Way more to spec'ing these things than you know.
When I built the lounge for my last Sonic I bought/exchanged several sizes of shocks until getting it right.
The #s I took off this set didnt match anything I could find so now what?
I put a block of wood on a set of scales and pushed down on the shock till it moved and then read the scale.
140 lbs!!!!!
Times two shocks! So 280 lbs of force to hold the lid open????
Yikes
Then I spent an hr on the internet trying to decipher the formulas I found on sizing lift shocks.
Again, Yikes!

Plan, as of now, is to head to Fla Mon morning w/the truck and trailer to retrieve the motors and scooter.

Instigator
01-19-2019, 05:57 AM
Heres the lounge I built for my last Sonic.

69Jetflte
01-19-2019, 03:47 PM
Are you getting the crappy ice and stuff?

Instigator
01-19-2019, 04:18 PM
Yep but not the 12" of snow the man has been warning us about for the last 3 days ;)


Are you getting the crappy ice and stuff?

1954bmw
01-20-2019, 10:50 AM
Yep but not the 12" of snow the man has been warning us about for the last 3 days ;)
Yeah, weather out here in Maui really sux, wife came out to run the Maui Half marathon and I get to shlep her bags, anyway, last nights weather forecast was for a high of sunny and 81, then 82, 82, 82, 82......

Instigator
01-20-2019, 11:28 AM
We are under level 3 snow emergency and Im out of beer.
They can arrest us for being on the road.

Hmmm, quite the conundrum.

Calling for a low of -2 tonight.
Will prep for a 5 AM departure, do a re-con/beer mission and cross fingers.


Yeah, weather out here in Maui really sux, wife came out to run the Maui Half marathon and I get to shlep her bags, anyway, last nights weather forecast was for a high of sunny and 81, then 82, 82, 82, 82......

Dave Strong
01-20-2019, 01:14 PM
We are under level 3 snow emergency and Im out of beer.
They can arrest us for being on the road.

Hmmm, quite the conundrum.

Calling for a low of -2 tonight.
Will prep for a 5 AM departure, do a re-con/beer mission and cross fingers.

Well that sucks, how much snow you get?

Dave

Instigator
01-20-2019, 02:15 PM
Not that bad.
4” - 6” but blowing/drifting and not many plows in our area.

Locked and loaded, coffee pot set for 4:30 AM.
I’ll sneak to the freeway and should be good from there.




Well that sucks, how much snow you get?

Dave

Dave Strong
01-20-2019, 02:54 PM
That would never happen here, 4-6" pretty normal. It's law here must have true winter tires between Oct and April, all seasons don't cut it. Wind on the highway sucks because of the black ice it creates, snow not so bad. Guess I will drink for you today.;)

Dave:):cheers:

1954bmw
01-20-2019, 05:32 PM
+1^ from Maui for ya!!!

Instigator
01-20-2019, 06:49 PM
Where we are, not so bad.
1/2 hr s of us in Columbus, it sucks and they can’t drive.

Thr Mrs drives a 4 dr Jeep w/new all weather tires and I drive a 4 WD GMC p/u w/good tires so we are good.

BTW, updated low tonight.
-11 ��
That’s not chill factor and that is WAY cold for us.

Fla, here I come!


That would never happen here, 4-6" pretty normal. It's law here must have true winter tires between Oct and April, all seasons don't cut it. Wind on the highway sucks because of the black ice it creates, snow not so bad. Guess I will drink for you today.;)

Dave:):cheers:

Dave Strong
01-20-2019, 06:54 PM
That is crazy, up here in the mountains of the great white North only going to be 15f for a low.

Dave

baja200merk
01-20-2019, 07:58 PM
It was 60 today the dog wouldn't go outside and kept shaking off like he got rained on :D

FMP
01-20-2019, 08:20 PM
In Fahrenheit, cold spot in Ontario this morning -45.4F , coldest windchill this morning -65.2F
Presently a balmy -11F , -40F windchill.
Can't make this stuff up.

AZMIDLYF
01-21-2019, 01:17 PM
I don't know how you Snowbirds can handle it. If I'm not outside in it every day, I get grumpy. My day yesterday: sun up to sun down...48 at sunrise...mid 60s and that sky the rest.

428748

FMP
01-21-2019, 01:36 PM
We go out in it, just need to layer up.
Funny looking trees you have there.

1954bmw
01-22-2019, 11:03 AM
Yep, sunny and 87 in Maui, and all that water......

FMP
01-22-2019, 11:05 AM
Who needs it! No flies and mosquitoes here!

1954bmw
01-22-2019, 11:15 AM
No skeeters here either, think they outlawed 'em.

FMP
01-22-2019, 02:03 PM
Also heard no flies in China lol

CUDA
01-22-2019, 08:50 PM
Don't understand the thin plywood on the motor mount.

Instigator
01-22-2019, 09:02 PM
Will be wrapped in glass, bonded to platform.
Started with 3/4 pcs but realized theyd be an inch thick after glassing and the glass is doing the work, not the wood in the knees.

PS, locked and loaded for the trip north.


Don't understand the thin plywood on the motor mount.

AZMIDLYF
01-22-2019, 10:03 PM
Like the tag. :cheers:

69Jetflte
01-23-2019, 08:25 AM
Getting closer! Cool bike too.

home made tunnel
01-23-2019, 10:01 PM
I don't know how you Snowbirds can handle it. If I'm not outside in it every day, I get grumpy. My day yesterday: sun up to sun down...48 at sunrise...mid 60s and that sky the rest.

428748

Look at all those pricklies ! Yikes. I enjoy walking around barefoot in the summer.
In texas / florida, don't they have those spines in the grass? I don't know what they call them. Prickly grass burrs that hurt like a sonofabetch.
But no skeeters or flies makes this a nice time of year. I just don't like the cold. My vehicles don't like the cold. Bumps hit harder, more noises/creaks/sqeaks.
If it was nice out all year, I'd never get any projects done though!

baja200merk
01-23-2019, 10:04 PM
My truck likes the cold the boat runs better also. There’s no spikes in my grass but I wear shoes this time of the year the grass is cold when it’s 60 out and only 55 dew point it’s still wet in the am.

AZMIDLYF
01-23-2019, 10:12 PM
One of the only negatives about out here...harsh environments breed harsher inhabitants. :(

Instigator
01-26-2019, 08:11 PM
After a couple of challenges, everything’s home safe and sound.

Left Fla yesterday morning and made great time until a 1/2 hr n of Atlanta when an idler pulley on my 1/4 million mile truck, seized and sawed the serpentine belt in half.
That took out water pump, alternator and power steering pump.
Happened in the middle of a curve and the loss of power steering about drove us into door of truck beside us.

We were lucky and made it to next exit where I googled and found a local Napa willing to deliver parts to us in parking lot of gas station we limped to ��
Manager had to go to another store for pulley before delivering it to us.
Was blown away to only burn 2 hrs there.
(why we carry tools)

Think Autozone would have done that ?��

Drove 2 more hrs (14 for that day, made it down in 17 1/2 hrs) and stopped for night.
Left 75* and sun and awoke to snow in hotel parking lot for final 3 1/2 hrs home this morning.

FMP
01-26-2019, 09:10 PM
F in pulleys, I know that feeling.

1954bmw
01-27-2019, 10:32 AM
Left Maui at 2pm Friday afternoon, sunny, breezy 82, hit Cincinnati airport at 5am Saturday morning to icey, 23 degrees and car doors frozen shut.

Instigator
01-27-2019, 04:02 PM
Excellent.


Left Maui at 2pm Friday afternoon, sunny, breezy 82, hit Cincinnati airport at 5am Saturday morning to icey, 23 degrees and car doors frozen shut.

Instigator
01-27-2019, 07:21 PM
Home safe and sound.

Dave Strong
01-27-2019, 07:28 PM
Home safe and sound.

Go get some beer and get at her.;)

Dave :cheers:

home made tunnel
01-28-2019, 05:53 PM
225 and a 200? what's the difference? or plans to make them the same?

magnum2.5
01-28-2019, 06:03 PM
glad you made it home ok....good to see you again...get-eer done...

Instigator
02-07-2019, 07:03 PM
The 200 is now a 225.

69Jetflte
02-07-2019, 08:35 PM
Cool!

baja200merk
02-07-2019, 10:42 PM
I know your not gonna round file those good expulsion tubes :D

Instigator
02-20-2019, 05:41 PM
Yeah its the balsa cores fault for rotting.....

Im replacing the bow hatch there was virtually ZERO sealer around mounting flange.
And core around perimeter is still good.

Replaced corroded/broken sun lounge hatch latch (also w/zero sealer) right beside orig hole through balsa cored lounge lid.
Heres the plug I removed.

Remember too, Boat is a 86, or 33 freagin yrs old!
Ugh.

mrichartz
02-26-2019, 08:37 AM
It's kind of quiet over here...

Instigator
02-26-2019, 06:33 PM
Got the new CR case so I now have a matching pair of 2000 225 counter rotators.

Ordered paint today for the motors and the faded silver stripes on the deck.




It's kind of quiet over here...

mrichartz
02-26-2019, 06:49 PM
Got the new CR case so I now have a matching pair of ‘2000 225 counter rotators.

Ordered paint today for the motors and the faded silver stripes on the deck.

Color stock?
Putting lwp on them or no?
Have to get it weighted really want to know..
It's winter I can't do anything on it or use it it's all computer boating and waiting to see your progress...nothing else to do.
Just counting down the days till we move to AZ! To long
Luckily house is 20 minutes from lake pleasant!!

Instigator
02-28-2019, 07:41 PM
No, no and Im working on it.


Bow hatch reconfiguration.



Color stock?
Putting lwp on them or no?
Have to get it weighted really want to know..
It's winter I can't do anything on it or use it it's all computer boating and waiting to see your progress...nothing else to do.
Just counting down the days till we move to AZ! To long
Luckily house is 20 minutes from lake pleasant!!

mrichartz
03-01-2019, 12:55 PM
No, no and Im working on it.


Bow hatch reconfiguration.

Looking good! Plenty of air flow in there now
Oh you don't have the hardware off the old hatch do you?

Was looking at new hatches only because some idiot forgot to lock the latch before leaving for a road trip and flew open at 70 mph and broke the latches/arms
Did t scratch anything else luckily.

Instigator
03-05-2019, 08:42 PM
Pulled the motors down to prep for paint.

Being Fla motors I also pulled all the p.head bolts to make sure they'll come out when I get time to build the hot rod p.heads.
Luckily they did.

Also found 48" slides for the bimini top that Ill be adding.
Did this on the old Sonic and loved it but they werent 48".
This will allow me to slide it far enough forward to cover the cabin entry for dew/rain when we're staying on the boat, driver and copilot seats.
Slide it aft and cover the bench seat and the sun lounge.

CUDA
03-15-2019, 11:21 AM
Any pictures of the motor mount?

Instigator
03-15-2019, 03:37 PM
More ammo, after a short road trip to Pa....

A '2000 250 w/one bad hole, big rods, Wisecos, complete except gearcase.
A 3.3 short block.
2 sets of pans/cowlings.
Etc.

Now the decision is whether to build two 3.0 or 3.3 p.heads.

Cuda, havent had time to touch it in wks.
Way behind.

Instigator
03-21-2019, 06:30 PM
3 motors become 2 and they become silver.

Graphics for them will be next.

Dave Strong
03-21-2019, 06:37 PM
Custom graphics I assume?

Dave

1954bmw
03-21-2019, 07:03 PM
Are these like the current, stainless steel refrigerators???? Silver.

FMP
03-21-2019, 09:42 PM
3 motors become 2 and they become silver.

Graphics for them will be next.

Oh yeah that did it:thumbsup:

powerabout
03-22-2019, 12:09 AM
Omc race powerheads are silver....

Instigator
03-25-2019, 02:00 PM
A nice lil bonus in the parts I bought.

The popped 250 has new:

power pack
stator
coils
plug wires
Chris Carson reeds
balanced big rods
all new bearings
virgin 225 late model carbs

Yay

That will all go one of the existing p.heads.

My previous 3.3 project, has same and will donate it all to second motor.

So if rotating assemblies are solid....., we’ll be good.

home made tunnel
03-25-2019, 04:21 PM
What's better than 1 rebuilt mota? 2 rebuilt motas! Excellently done.

Instigator
03-30-2019, 03:27 PM
Mocked up steering today.

New tie bar was intended as front suspension for a race car.

mrichartz
03-30-2019, 03:46 PM
Looking good..going to be ready for summer!?
How far apart are you mounting them ?


QUOTE=Instigator;3122711]Mocked up steering today.

New tie bar was intended as front suspension for a race car.[/QUOTE]

Instigator
03-30-2019, 08:02 PM
This summer yes but still a long ways to go.

24” O.C. which is as close as I can get them w/o interference.


Looking good..going to be ready for summer!?
How far apart are you mounting them ?


QUOTE=Instigator;3122711]Mocked up steering today.

New tie bar was intended as front suspension for a race car.[/QUOTE]

Dave Strong
03-30-2019, 09:01 PM
Mocked up steering today.

New tie bar was intended as front suspension for a race car.

I like it no wing plates, very neat and compact.

Dave

Dd24skater
04-04-2019, 01:25 PM
Gary,

Nice project, can't wait to see this one at the lake this summer.

Instigator
04-04-2019, 02:28 PM
Thx Don.

We were in your lake area a while back, looking for your Baja ��

Theres one just like it for sale on corner of 269/163 unless that’s yours.
We took the ferry to Kelley’s yesterday for the day.


Gary,

Nice project, can't wait to see this one at the lake this summer.

Dd24skater
04-05-2019, 07:10 AM
No, mines still tucked away for the winter nap. Was it a 34? I'm interested to see what they are asking. Couple more weeks till we get there.

Instigator
04-05-2019, 08:03 AM
Thought it was a 28 but did look big.

W/a pair of Optis on it.


No, mines still tucked away for the winter nap. Was it a 34? I'm interested to see what they are asking. Couple more weeks till we get there.

Instigator
04-18-2019, 09:03 AM
Back to the bracket.......

Bonded the bottom to the floatation box then used sheet wax on my glass door to build the mold for the mounting flange that I will bond to the bracket then throw glass at it.
All the parts of the bracket are now done and assembled.

Get that done, finish outside of transom/paint, then I can hang/mock up the motors/bracket and head for the ramp.
In serious need of motivation and hoping that will do it.

Saved $3k building the bracket myself but might be close to being done/boating had I written that check.
One of my faults.

jaybrown
04-22-2019, 02:59 PM
Looks great can’t wait to see it when it’s all done keep up,the good work

Instigator
04-22-2019, 04:14 PM
Bracket is assembled and waiting on final glassing and clean up.

Mocked it up on the boat and some fiddling I got the prop shafts right where I want them.

Coming together just how I envisioned it ������*☠️��

BadHabit 21
04-23-2019, 05:16 PM
Damn brother lookin sweet ��

jaybrown
04-23-2019, 05:33 PM
Looks awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great work

Cary 29
04-23-2019, 07:13 PM
Yes, very nice work Gary. Saved about $2,700

Instigator
04-24-2019, 07:40 AM
Thx guys.

Badhabbit, welcome back dude!

Current plan is to do enough glass on bracket to mock it up, hang jack plates, motors, fill new 92 gl tank w/water and do a test float.

Budget is tight but shopping for boat stands to pull hull from trailer and build/install pad to keel.

XstreamVking
04-24-2019, 08:00 AM
Bracket looks great. Very impressive. Cross your fingers on the 1st run. If it's gonna crack that's when it will happen.

Instigator
04-25-2019, 06:20 PM
Thanks you sir.

The one on my last Sonic was glass.

Came with 3.0 Mercs then hung 3.0 OMC loopers.

We destroyed the mounting flange removing it to restore the hull.
I laid up a new flange and glassed it back on.

Yes I was nervous, but it never moved.



Bracket looks great. Very impressive. Cross your fingers on the 1st run. If it's gonna crack that's when it will happen.

Instigator
04-25-2019, 06:24 PM
Headway..........

tux974
04-26-2019, 05:01 AM
Very nice looking setup!......:thumbsup:

baja200merk
04-26-2019, 06:31 AM
Looks great I like those atlas plates all the bobs plates do a dance at speed.

In publix a couple weeks ago guy starts bsing with me in checkout line. Noticed I’m packinf to go boating and says did you ever hear of checkmake boats? I said yea I have owned a few of them. He said he was one of the original 7(?) owners of checkmate seemed more like a money guy. wish I could remember his name I would try to see if it’s true.

1954bmw
04-26-2019, 09:04 AM
Damn, that looks very nice, good work, when you going to see if she floats????? Good luck

home made tunnel
04-26-2019, 04:38 PM
Thanks you sir.

The one on my last Sonic was glass.

Came with 3.0 Mercs then hung 3.0 OMC loopers.

We destroyed the mounting flange removing it to restore the hull.
I laid up a new flange and glassed it back on.

Yes I was nervous, but it never moved.


I think 34 bolts will definitely hold! haha.

Instigator
05-09-2019, 07:46 AM
Passed the float test w/flying colors.

New 92 gl tank full of water, batteries in place and 50 lb jack plates on both motors.

Check the shot of the stain line at the keel/bow.
Top line is from the 454/Bravo and only 3" above new line.
Im happy w/that.

The Mrs says Im out of time and switch to building us a deck and pool ;)

Dave Strong
05-09-2019, 09:29 AM
Gary tell her if she let's you finish the boat she gets a floating deck in any pool you decide.;)

Dave:)

jaybrown
05-09-2019, 03:30 PM
that is AWSOME!!!!!!!!!

89LASER
05-17-2019, 06:34 AM
Finish it up!!!!! Looks great!!!!

magnum2.5
05-17-2019, 01:38 PM
boat looks good...floats nice....going to be a blast....we are having a offshore race here sunday..NICK has 12 boats in his class alone ....he will have his hands full....







GET..ERR..DONE...looks and floats great...we are having a OFFSHORE race here SUNDAY...NICK ( SHADOW PIRATE ) has 12 boats in his class alone...perfect size boat for your area...good luck

Instigator
05-17-2019, 03:34 PM
I listen to Rush Limbaugh on I-heart radio via a Cocoa station and they have had a blitz on the race.

Wish I was there.


boat looks good...floats nice....going to be a blast....we are having a offshore race here sunday..NICK has 12 boats in his class alone ....he will have his hands full....







GET..ERR..DONE...looks and floats great...we are having a OFFSHORE race here SUNDAY...NICK ( SHADOW PIRATE ) has 12 boats in his class alone...perfect size boat for your area...good luck

home made tunnel
05-17-2019, 10:41 PM
Looks amazing, bud! Nice job.

mrichartz
05-20-2019, 08:18 PM
So when are you going to weight it?!
Looks great and so close ..
Hurry up with the pool and get back to work it's getting warm out .. FINALLY

Instigator
05-20-2019, 08:22 PM
Thought about it on way home from lake but new to area and didn’t know where scales were.

Want to do it w/a bare hull, after I pull motors etc.

Soon young grasshopper.


So when are you going to weight it?!
Looks great and so close ..
Hurry up with the pool and get back to work it's getting warm out .. FINALLY

mrichartz
05-20-2019, 08:24 PM
Thought about it on way home from lake but new to area and didn’t know where scales were.

Want to do it w/a bare hull, after I pull motors etc.

Soon young grasshopper.

Lol.. haven't been called young in a long time..it's all in who it is

CUDA
05-27-2019, 04:57 PM
Looks Great best of luck

I'm going to replacing a 30'' aluminum platform motor mount

with a two foot 3/4 plywood carbon epoxy extension about 6" above hull will give me more flotation where I need it

Going to do over kill because I've never done a extension, the stress has to be tremendous when your in ruff seas.

All your attention to detail shows, now how fast do you think it will go?

89LASER
05-31-2019, 08:35 AM
You're wasting valuable summer time boating...Finish it up and get out there.

89LASER
06-17-2019, 07:30 AM
??????????????Anything yet????????????????????????

Instigator
06-17-2019, 08:42 PM
On sabbatical.


??????????????Anything yet????????????????????????

mrichartz
06-27-2019, 10:09 PM
How long does it take to build a pool...got to be one hellava pool! Well we know it's going to be..

MODVP22
06-28-2019, 09:09 AM
How long does it take to build a pool...got to be one hellava pool! Well we know it's going to be..

I havent received my invite yet so it must still be in progress.

Instigator
06-29-2019, 03:17 PM
Dont you hate when life gets in the way of a great project?

So before I build the deck, I have a drainage problem to fix, which runs under where the new deck will be.
The sump pump for the house dumps into 4" corrugated behind the house and the down spouts also dump here.
There is a blockage somewhere that needs fixed before the deck is built.
So I need to hire an excavator before the deck/pool project.

In the mean time........, the shop/work was way slower after the move than I expected.
Based on this, I shut it down an got a real job and have been working my balls off for the last 3 wks.

Was in the shop last Sunday for the first time since.
Going through motors.
The motor Donnie checked for me was only showing 65ish lbs compression and should be 100.
Pumping it full of Seafoam and its coming up.

Also going through carbs on both motors and ignition.
Assuming they are healthy internally, I will assure the ignition/carbs are as well.
I dont want motor problems once the restomod is done/rigged.

Pulled them back off the bracket so I can pull it and finish its construction as well.

This project reminded me that my real joy is in building/modding motors, not restoring boats.
Thats a necessary evil due to my self imposed budgets.

Should have bought a pontoon boat ;)

1954bmw
06-29-2019, 07:46 PM
Hey, while the digger is there, just have him dig a hole, grab one of those plastic pools that they have on the side of I-70 and wala, pool

89LASER
07-31-2019, 07:38 AM
I hope you have made some progress and life's headaches have given you a rest.

Instigator
08-18-2019, 09:05 AM
A slight delay 😉

During a discussion with the Mrs. over dinner and cocktails, she voiced her displeasure with all the time I was spending in the shop on the boat and requested that we buy one that is ready to run now.

And since she is way smarter than I am, who am I to argue?

Found this jewel 45 minutes from home at Kunkels marine the wizards of speed with Checkmates.

Its a 95 253 w/an EFI 454.

Other than slightly faded cockpit carpet, the boat motor and drive would pass as new. Maybe the best part about it though is the trailer.

Welded aluminum which Ive never even heard of on a trailer before, 16 inch tires and rims, stainless disc brakes, on all four tires, reverse lights which Ive also never even heard of before, all LED lights, a ladder on the tongue of the trailer to the bow of the boat with a toolbox built in its base.

The trailer is bad ass and its only 2 yrs old.

Funny part is everyone is telling me to finish the old boat and sell it and keep the new one.
If I do anything I will dump the I/O pig and save the twin OB :-)

BTW, the name for the new boat is, HER BOAT.

mrichartz
08-18-2019, 09:14 AM
Damn that is in really nice shape..had to go back twice for year..cabin looks big for a 25 too.
Its really nice except one thing that motor.. haha
So it's missing two things..but boats to nice to rerig w twins? So your missing out on all that storage you like..
Trade offs...
And yea you have to finish the other to far now!







A slight delay ��

During a discussion with the Mrs. over dinner and cocktails, she voiced her displeasure with all the time I was spending in the shop on the boat and requested that we buy one that is ready to run now.

And since she is way smarter than I am, who am I to argue?

Found this jewel 45 minutes from home at Kunkels marine the wizards of speed with Checkmates.

Its a ‘95 253 w/an EFI 454.

Other than slightly faded cockpit carpet, the boat motor and drive would pass as new. Maybe the best part about it though is the trailer.

Welded aluminum which I’ve never even heard of on a trailer before, 16 inch tires and rims, stainless disc brakes, on all four tires, reverse lights which I’ve also never even heard of before, all LED lights, a ladder on the tongue of the trailer to the bow of the boat with a toolbox built in its base.

The trailer is bad ass and it’s only 2 yrs old.

Funny part is everyone is telling me to finish the old boat and sell it and keep the new one.
If I do anything I will dump the I/O pig and save the twin OB :-)

BTW, the name for the new boat is, “HER BOAT”.

99fxst99
08-18-2019, 09:30 AM
I have dealt with similar welded trailers and unless the load bearing cross members are actually resting on the frame and not totally supported be welds, you are at the mercy of the talent of the welder on a large aluminum structure with tendencies to flex. Not condemning welded trailers as a whole just a thought. Also you damage a piece of a fabricated trailer you can replace it.

1954bmw
08-18-2019, 09:33 AM
What's wrong with you, you are more impressed with the trailer,...... great looking boat, can you sleep on it??? Good luck, pool in???

Instigator
08-18-2019, 11:09 AM
Mr Rich, its and I/O, ugh.
Will be fun to park them beside each other in the barn and see whats where in a yr.

How are the new motors running?

FXST, totally understood. Went to their website to research them. Their core business is custom trailers for goverment/military.

BMW, told her her pool is the new boat.

It's an I/O. Ugh.

mrichartz
08-18-2019, 12:33 PM
Hey Gary,
Yea haven't really run them out on the river anymore. except running around the dock alittle .. between back and other broken down stuff...and was away in AZ(gojng to be moving but not soon enough!)
Hopefully in a week or 2 will get it back out...


Michael Richartz



Mr Rich, its and I/O, ugh.
Will be fun to park them beside each other in the barn and see whats where in a yr.

How are the new motors running?

FXST, totally understood. Went to their website to research them. Their core business is custom trailers for goverment/military.

BMW, told her her pool is the new boat.

It's an I/O. Ugh.

CUDA
09-08-2019, 02:53 PM
I don't believe it?

Instigator
01-20-2020, 05:34 PM
Finally got some time in the shop and made headway.

To prevent on water issues I am replacing stators n powerpacks on both motors, as well as rebuilding carbs, impellers etc.
They’re used motors w/unknown histories so trying to be as proactive as possible.

I bought stators/powerpacks for both motors.
Rebuilt carbs on first motor this summer and replaced stator/p.pack. Bought a parts motor that had new coils n plug wires so installed them too.
Course when it was done I had no fire.
Double/triple ck’d everything and only got fire on two holes.
Ugh.
Pushed it off the side.

So I re-attacked it.

Spent a day swapping known parts from running motors.
Nothing.
Ugh.

Then I thought about the coils. I ohmed the wires and were OK.

Then started swapping coils and viola!
I was guilty of bypassing them due to seller telling me they were new and my history of NEVER having problems w/coils.
And they were new. Spotless clean, no signs of wear/time etc.

I replaced all 6 coils and now have fire on all 6.

After inspection, those coils had no markings/pt#s on them anywhere.
So would assume seller found them on the internet and bought cheapest he could find.
Cosmetically identical.

That crap is why I suck at trouble shooting.

But, good news is one motor is ready for battle.

Ill go through second motor next then pull the bracket off to finish it.
Once it’s done, I can reinstall permanently and start rigging.

SCT
01-20-2020, 09:56 PM
Hey Gary, glad you are back on your project! I’m in central OH this week and would like to stop by your shop this week if you are around. I’ll give yo7 a call....:cheers:

Instigator
01-21-2020, 08:50 PM
Got some more time in the shop for motor #2.

This motor, like the other one was represented as turn key.

I guess other than the magnet out of the flywheel, windings melted out of the stator, the stator goo ran into and locked up the timing advance, it was water ready.

Luckily FrankenRude III was standing by and gave itself for the greater good.

Euroski
01-22-2020, 07:47 AM
Turn key... doesn't mean it has to run, but the key turned.

Instigator
02-04-2020, 09:21 AM
Baby steps:

Goth the bracket back off to finish glass work.

Three layers of 2oz mat on the wings.

Instigator
02-14-2020, 04:24 PM
Gelled

MODVP22
02-14-2020, 04:44 PM
Damn dude! That looks great

Instigator
02-17-2020, 08:46 PM
Transom is ready for gel.
The exhaust cut outs were a PIA to fill!

All goes well, bracket will be mounted this wk.

mrichartz
02-17-2020, 08:58 PM
Nice to see the progress.. platform looks great ..
So likely to see the water this summer
And get it weighted?

Just waiting for my mids to get those swapped..



Michael

Dave Strong
02-17-2020, 09:41 PM
Transom is ready for gel.
The exhaust cut outs were a PIA to fill!

All goes well, bracket will be mounted this wk.

Looking good mister, spring is coming.;)

Dave

Instigator
02-18-2020, 06:46 AM
Yep, seeing progress is a great motivater.

Wet this yr, yes.
Still a ton to do though.
Going to re-engineer cabin entry and dash and will be a huge issue.

But, mounting the bracket and hanging the motors will be huge and allow me to start laying out rigging.

Wont leave me alone on the weight will you ��
Found a Local scale and hope to get it there within a wk.


Nice to see the progress.. platform looks great ..
So likely to see the water this summer
And get it weighted?

Just waiting for my mids to get those swapped..



Michael

Instigator
02-20-2020, 11:54 AM
Think your making good headway then remember all the little things to be done.

Ugh!

Replaced the orig bow hatch w/a better Bomar unit.
Sounds easy.
Then you remember the front of old one came to a vee, andddddd, the deck/mold was built w/a profile on it, for the hatch to sit on.

And on the new tank I had the filler neck put on the front so you can get a full tank.
Orig was rear fill so w/bow up, you could only get 1/2 a tank in it. And w/fighting capacity already, I want every gallon.
New tank was easy.
Now I have to fill/patch the old filler location and notch the forward floor and stringer for the filler hose.

Ahhhhhhh, custom projects......

Velocity72
02-23-2020, 11:22 AM
Gary, you’re doing great. Yes, one thing usually leads to another. Just knock ‘em down one at a time. Your work is top notch. Keep going, brother.

Instigator
03-18-2020, 03:38 PM
The transom has gel.

powerabout
03-18-2020, 08:04 PM
Hi Instigator
forgot to ask way back, will you be leaving those 250-225ho engines stock?
any changes at all, like cooling?

Instigator
03-19-2020, 07:15 AM
I have two stock 225’s to start with then plan is to build two 300 HP hot rod powerheads for it.
Still planning on building/installing a pad too.

A **** pile of work still to do.
Am building a new cabin entry and doors too.


Hi Instigator
forgot to ask way back, will you be leaving those 250-225ho engines stock?
any changes at all, like cooling?

Instigator
03-25-2020, 06:55 PM
Wet sanded and buffed the transom then pulled it out in the sun to get some air for the first time in a while.

I just love the lines of this boat and the colors.

Tomorrow Ill do the same to the bracket.

If the planets align, ill hang the bracket this weekend.

CUDA
03-26-2020, 04:24 PM
Looking Good, you talk about a pad it looks like it has a round pad what are your plans?

How wide is that factory pad, Great job.

Instigator
03-26-2020, 05:06 PM
Has a pad w/a vee.

Im going lay up a flat 5 1/2” pc on my glass door/mold then bond it to the bottom.
Should be easy.

Thx for the compliment. I know u know your **** w/glass and boat building.

Finished the bracket today and should be permanently mounted by the weekend.
My goal w/it was to have it pass as an aluminum bracket when done.
It does.


Looking Good, you talk about a pad it looks like it has a round pad what are your plans?

How wide is that factory pad, Great job.

Instigator
03-27-2020, 07:44 AM
The bracket is done.

Instigator
03-27-2020, 08:48 AM
Almost lice streaming🏴*☠️

Mocking up to finalize some bolt holes I moved before glueing it on.

Instigator
03-29-2020, 12:30 PM
Hope its right cuz its on now!

Greg G
03-29-2020, 12:55 PM
The raised pad from the factory looks pretty wide

mrichartz
03-29-2020, 01:04 PM
Gary actually looks nicer than aluminum bracket from here..
Like the ladder too.. can't find a place to mount one on mine.
Oh what does the boat measure loa exactly?

MODVP22
03-29-2020, 06:08 PM
Damn that looks good

Instigator
03-29-2020, 08:14 PM
But is not flat like we need.


The raised pad from the factory looks pretty wide

Instigator
03-30-2020, 05:18 PM
Bracket is 20” so add that to hull length.

Thx for the compliment.
Been busting ass to finish the bracket and get it mounted, hoping that would help motivate me and it has.

Looking at it now thinking.....,I could skab it together and use it for a day boat and be on the water in a couple wks.
But, still tons to do.
As an example, I forgot about three through hull ports from the I/O that are no longer needed and need plugged.
Ugh.

A million more things like that too.
Not done recontouring deck for new hatches.

My motivation is back though.
Yay.

Told a friend who was asking, probably make it to the water as a rat rod this summer, then back apart this fall to be made pretty.


Gary actually looks nicer than aluminum bracket from here..
Like the ladder too.. can't find a place to mount one on mine.
Oh what does the boat measure loa exactly?

mrichartz
03-30-2020, 06:50 PM
Is it actually 25' or 24' 1/2 like the outboard model?

Throw it together and run it for a day might find something to do different?
nothing like when motivation is there and your ready to go to work!,

mrichartz
04-01-2020, 04:30 PM
What props and up going to run?
Actually how big is your collection I saw that wall at one point.. lol..
I'm looking at getting another spare set and/or something to run on the days when I'm afraid there's crap in the water.
Want to find a pair of 26 Chopper's too I have the 28 mazco
But was curious what you run on yours not do much size but make/model.
I've always ran Chopper's so


Michael

Instigator
04-02-2020, 07:25 AM
Its coming together nicely and Im really liking the silver motors. Was second guessing my choice while on the stands.

Michael, so far:
26" Rakers
26" Choppers
28" Hoss Hyper Drives
27" SRX's

I need a LH 28" Raker and a LH 27" Tempest to complete sets of them.

26 Choppers were the fastest on both Sonics but only 1 or 2 faster than Rakers that did everything else better.

Hung the motors last night and did a bit of celebrating.

mrichartz
04-02-2020, 07:34 AM
How long did you sit in that chair and stare at them?
��������
Oh just saw the Jim beam!
Looks really good will look even better in the water

Yea my old school 26 Spinelli Chopper's were 4-5 mph faster than stock.. killed me when I hit something

Will get another pair of 26s but need to find someone to do the work to them (if I do might just leave stock as spares?)

mrichartz
04-02-2020, 07:45 AM
Oh don't second guess the silver looks good!
And different.
Are you going to put any Evinrude decals or anything?
Looks really good all silver clean, just a simple Evinrude decal

Instigator
04-02-2020, 07:56 AM
I did these for my second Sonic and plan similar for these.


Oh don't second guess the silver looks good!
And different.
Are you going to put any Evinrude decals or anything?
Looks really good all silver clean, just a simple Evinrude decal

MODVP22
04-02-2020, 10:01 AM
Dude! That silver looks bad-ass! Great choice.

ever thought about trying Mercury Bravo1 4 blade props? Lots of people are having great luck with them on boats they never would have thought

Instigator
04-02-2020, 10:38 AM
Thanks Tommy.

I ran a set of Bravos on my Sonic and it didn’t like them.
Ive sense learned that are a 1/2 dozen versions of Bravo 1’s.

I almost bought a set of B Blades worked versions and still may.
I think they’re like the OMC SRXs.
Decent stock but killer, worked.


Dude! That silver looks bad-ass! Great choice.

ever thought about trying Mercury Bravo1 4 blade props? Lots of people are having great luck with them on boats they never would have thought

MODVP22
04-02-2020, 11:58 AM
Thanks Tommy.

I ran a set of Bravos on my Sonic and it didn’t like them.
Ive sense learned that are a 1/2 versions of Bravo 1’s.

I almost bought a set of B Blades worked versions and still may.
I think they’re like the OMC SRXs.
Decent stock but killer, worked.

i always liked Hydromotive’s props for heavy boats too

baja200merk
04-03-2020, 07:57 AM
Come on only 7k tachs? Who r u kidding? :D

Looks great! :thumbsup:

HydroSkreamin
04-09-2020, 09:38 AM
Instigator:

Just got caught up on your thread, I was about a year behind!

Excellent work, your standoff bracket came out great. Things are looking great, I like your idea of rat rod for this summer, find/fix issues, make pretty next winter.

How many hours did you get on the surrogate family boat last year?

Keep on keepin' on.

Oh, and Linda and crew did a great job on your pad!

Instigator
04-10-2020, 07:21 PM
Not enough and thanks!


Got my e-bay steering mocked up today and am happy w/what I came up with.

Also dropped the fuel tank off today at the fab shop to get the orig fuel sender opening welded closed and a new one added to the middle of the tank so I get more accurate readings.

Tomorrow I fab up the e-bay trim tabs.



Instigator:

Just got caught up on your thread, I was about a year behind!

Excellent work, your standoff bracket came out great. Things are looking great, I like your idea of rat rod for this summer, find/fix issues, make pretty next winter.

How many hours did you get on the surrogate family boat last year?

Keep on keepin' on.

Oh, and Linda and crew did a great job on your pad!

baja200merk
04-12-2020, 09:40 AM
Those jackplate wires fit right in the trim grommet through the cowl :thumbsup:

Instigator
04-12-2020, 01:16 PM
Great idea!

I was just looking at how/where to run them.
Got mounts for the rigging tubes w/fuel line ports but still need to run hoses for the steering too.
Those jackplate wires fit right in the trim grommet through the cowl :thumbsup:

baja200merk
04-12-2020, 02:40 PM
Hell yea we put the relays on the motor and wire it to the +\- on the motor works great clean looking too. Switch wires can go through the rigging tube too. Sea star makes a reasonably priced through hull fittings but the nice ones are Rex Marine. Randy gets a good deal on them. Then u can run sea star lines to the bracket and have them come our braided stainless close to the rams.

That boat looks like it came from checkmate with that bracket on it. :thumbsup:

JBS
04-18-2020, 07:32 PM
I saw an old 25 Convinsor today coming back from Hilton Head SC.
It was buckskin with navy sides. It had a stern drive. I think it might have been a friends boat from the 80s. I remember it was a real sweet ride with a good sound.I was surprised to see it still around. It was well cared for.

mrichartz
04-27-2020, 06:54 AM
Hey what's the hold up? Should have progress with the stay at home orders.. you have that nice big shop to work in too so it's not the weather..

Instigator
04-27-2020, 07:16 PM
Tabs are on for good, tank is in, floor is down, moved the fuel sender to middle of tank, notched the forward floor and port string for the new forward fill on tank, still mocking up steering but that part is close.

Mike, is also annoying as **** that when loading pics from my phone to this site, they are oriented correct on my phone but load sideways.
Only correction I know is to fire up my lap top, which means I need to get the pics from my phone to my lap, then load to this site.

Ugh.

mrichartz
04-27-2020, 08:22 PM
Yea last time I went to post some pics it was 5/6 attempts
Would get pic go to upload wait and wait then get I don't have permission.....kept getting logged out.. then figured ok I give up will use the computer so took the pics with my phone then went to use the computer... And the damn thing wouldn't start.. :nonod:. So gave up on that till later and grabbed my tablet and got lucky and the pics uploaded right away and done in less than a minute..
But the 1/2 before was ridiculous..

AZMIDLYF
04-27-2020, 11:50 PM
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Instigator
05-01-2020, 11:41 AM
Heres a mock up of one primer.
Tested and passed.

Had these on the last Sonic and loved them.
Hit button for 5 seconds, hit the key and go.

Not quite EFI but once I tune their late model carbs, theyll be damn close.
And 1/4 of the cost.

mrichartz
05-01-2020, 10:08 PM
Heres a mock up of one primer.
Tested and passed.

Had these on the last Sonic and loved them.
Hit button for 5 seconds, hit the key and go.

Not quite EFI but once I tune their late model carbs, theyll be damn close.
And 1/4 of the cost.

You use the factory fuel pumps and vro?
That's why you have that setup?..really good idea too.
Who needs EFI..
Unless you start talking Monty's EFI setups!
One day one day!

I just have the Holley fuel pumps but I mix so...
Press key primer a couple seconds and with the CDI digital ignitions they don't make a full revolution and start..
I don't like to say it out loud not superstitious but.. lol

1954bmw
05-02-2020, 07:45 AM
Jezuz, you must buy little hose clamps by the gross, have always thought about doing this, why do you keep the stock hand primer bulb, for the check valves, also, what kind of little fuel pumps are those and what kind of pressure do they put out, think that would be too much for an old inline???

Instigator
05-02-2020, 09:06 AM
Keep squeeze bulb in case of pump failure.
I only use it to fill lines/carbs then run off stock VRO pumps.

And yeah, I hate all the clamps.
May try metal lines.

Its a low pressure (4 - 6ish) Carter pump from Summit racing.
$33. per.
Mght be enough for an inline but safer to do what Mike does above.

The low pressure Holleys work great on a carb’d motor.
Ive done it s bazillion times.

FMP, thx for suggestion on lights.
Hadnt thought of that.

Just saw a guy on OSO w/a new trailer for his Cigarette that has lights illuminating the hull.
For aid at ramp after sunset but looks cool going down the road too.


Jezuz, you must buy little hose clamps by the gross, have always thought about doing this, why do you keep the stock hand primer bulb, for the check valves, also, what kind of little fuel pumps are those and what kind of pressure do they put out, think that would be too much for an old inline???

1954bmw
05-03-2020, 10:22 AM
Gary, is the black, hexagon piece in the middle a check valve, isn't there a check valve in the primer bulb, why the duplicate??? Got nothin better to do, so trying to figure this out. And after seeing your plumbing work, maybe you should stick to fiberglass. Where do you think you are going to splash your Checkmate, any good sized water by you???

Instigator
05-03-2020, 12:16 PM
Yes on the check valve.

I added it because the factory version had one but did not have the squeeze bulb.
Great catch and I will try it w/o the check valve.

That would take it down to 13 hose clamps per system ��

I built the first mock up out of plumbing parts I had.
My tee’s had three female ports w/three hose barb adapters.
Times two T’s ��
I did not take a picture of it.

I am 15 mins from Delaware Reservoir.

Still aways away though.
EVERYTHING is just mocked up at this point.

Id like to get far enough to put some heat in the motors but not much of a hurry beyond that.

I know from personal experience, that once you get close enough to finishing a project to run it, typically it does not get finished.

This is something I’ve wanted all my life and am OK waiting.

Funny too, a long time bud, who’s been w/me through most of my boat projects, was just here for a couple days of drinking in the shop, knows Checkmates very well and likes my ‘86 Convincor better than the wife’s ‘95.

BTW, did you see the 13 on e-bay?
Very nice, and cheap.



Gary, is the black, hexagon piece in the middle a check valve, isn't there a check valve in the primer bulb, why the duplicate??? Got nothin better to do, so trying to figure this out. And after seeing your plumbing work, maybe you should stick to fiberglass. Where do you think you are going to splash your Checkmate, any good sized water by you???

1954bmw
05-03-2020, 01:36 PM
I am 15 mins from Delaware Rese.








BTW, did you see the 13 on e-bay?
Very nice, and cheap.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I did see the MX13 on ebay, it did look good at first, but, I think the first pics were with the boat wet, I asked some questions and they said there was a soft spot in the floor in front of the transom, so needs floor and transom. Also, they added pics of the seats and the gelcoat was starting to chalk up. Looked it up and Delaware is only 1300 acres, think you will go thru that pretty quick.

1954bmw
05-03-2020, 01:52 PM
See the 21 Hustler on this website for your V-8???

Instigator
05-04-2020, 08:22 AM
Your idea worked but had to install squeeze bulb where check valve was or elec pump would pull fuel from carbs.
And, back to 15 hose clamps ��

baja200merk
05-04-2020, 02:23 PM
Ear clamps/otikers seal better and won’t loosen all the factory stuff uses them now. 100packs from Donovan are $60 the tool is cheap and saves a bunch of time. They r on 30-40psi not 5-6psi.

I only use omc or Yamaha primer balls and id never rely on a primer ball check valves. Seen way too many leave people stranded.

1954bmw
05-04-2020, 02:32 PM
Ear clamps/otikers seal better and won’t loosen all the factory stuff uses them now. 100packs from Donovan are $60 the tool is cheap and saves a bunch of time. They r on 30-40psi not 5-6psi.

I only use omc or Yamaha primer balls and id never rely on a primer ball check valves. Seen way too many leave people stranded.
Gotta pitture???

Instigator
05-04-2020, 03:02 PM
Thx Kevin.

That was my next attempt.

Bought these in plumbing at Menards, gambling on size but were too big.
Theyre on the list for my next Land n Sea order.

BTW, the crimper was $7 there and $39 @ L/S.

Appreciate your input on the squeeze ball too.




Ear clamps/otikers seal better and wont loosen all the factory stuff uses them now. 100packs from Donovan are $60 the tool is cheap and saves a bunch of time. They r on 30-40psi not 5-6psi.

I only use omc or Yamaha primer balls and id never rely on a primer ball check valves. Seen way too many leave people stranded.

1954bmw
05-04-2020, 07:58 PM
I used that same type of clamp when I was in maintenance making air hoses with 90 psi. I just completely replaced the fuel lines on an inline 115 Merc, I bought the clamps from McMaster-Carr delivered almost over night for I think 25 for less then $15. Look em up, that's a very good price on the crimper, was that with the 11% rebate?? I hate Menards.

Instigator
05-08-2020, 11:11 AM
Much better.

Bought the real crimper and correct clamps from Pro Marine ($48 dealer cost!) and they worked and look great.

I tried the $7 Menards crimper and it worked but would crimp as complete as real deal.

I think Im satisfied w/and will accept the results.

1954bmw
05-08-2020, 03:57 PM
See you did the check valve delete??

Instigator
05-11-2020, 06:26 PM
I like how its coming out.

mrichartz
05-11-2020, 06:43 PM
Looking good! Getting that much closer..

1954bmw
05-11-2020, 07:11 PM
Rigging hole???

mrichartz
05-11-2020, 08:22 PM
Yea meant to ask the hole goes into the bracket?

AZMIDLYF
05-11-2020, 09:22 PM
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Instigator
05-12-2020, 07:40 AM
Thx Az!
Still don’t understand why even though they are correct on my phone, they like ad inverted??

Yes on holes in transom.
For rigging tubes.

Sorted and installed bulkhead connectors for steering yesterday too.

The late model loopers went to single entry point for rigging but with fuel and oil lines, it’s really, really tight and I don’t like it.
So I ordered 3/8” hose barb bulkhead connectors to mount on fuel/VRO pump side of front of lower pans.
This will free up a ton of space in the rigging tubes.

Also, last section of floor is removable for access to fuel p/u’s.

mrichartz
05-12-2020, 10:09 AM
Are you posting from phone or computer?
For some reason I thought if pic is taller than it is wide it does that if you crop it make it so it wider than taller it doesn't rotate it..but looking at these they are taller..unless cropped and saved? Greg?!

Instigator
06-03-2020, 09:16 PM
I’m now on pool building detail.
The good is, it’s coming along nicely so maybe if....., I can get it to the point that mamma and the grandsons can use it....., she won’t know I’m working on the project ��

Michael, both pixs I just loaded, we’re from my phone and are correct on it.

AZMIDLYF
06-03-2020, 09:50 PM
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1954bmw
06-07-2020, 02:16 PM
[QUOTE=Instigator;3211764]I’m now on pool building detail.
The good is, it’s coming along nicely so maybe if....., I can get it to the point that mamma and the grandsons can use it....., she won’t know I’m working on the project ��

Hot and sweaty from chopping all this honeysuckle up, how's the pool project coming??? Build it yourself or what, tell us all about it.

Instigator
06-12-2020, 06:16 PM
Building it myself.

The wife’s brother had a 12 x 20 above ground built 30 yrs ago and is still going strong.
Amazingly.

They have their own little nirvana built behind their house, including the pool and a killer deck.

I don’t relax/unwind/unplug very well and used to be a boat on Lake Erie was the only place/way until hanging at their place.
Now their place works too.

Kind of a social experiment.
If we had that in our backyard would it be the same???

Building a 12’ x 24’ w/a min of 7’ of deck around it.
According to my testing ( ��) it takes a min of 6’ to be able to walk around a chase lounge and where ours will be, will have sunshine from sun up to sun down so I want to be able to follow the sun, all the way around the pool.

Add to that, Ive always wanted the deck from hell.
As a lot of us did as young adults, I did construction.

I was lucky enough to have worked for some talented people and have built some killer decks, patios etc.
But I’ve never had my own and always wanted to build one.

I had one in my mind for our old place (where you brought your Checkmate for me to put the transom in) but we moved before I could build it.

So I’m building it here.

If it works, and I’m satisfied, content to set on the deck/pool in my own back yard......, Ill save like a bazillion dollars per summer!

Making headway but totally underestimated the PIA of doing it myself.
As in, no helper for leveling posts, squaring the pool walls etc, etc.
Weather on top of that.
I had one stretch where I was able to work 3 days in 2 wks!

Worst is behind me now and cooking w/gas.

Deck will be tied to existing wrap around porch on house but need the pool there first as it will locate everything else.

Maybe I’ll start another thread so as not to muck up this one.


[QUOTE=Instigator;3211764]I’m now on pool building detail.
The good is, it’s coming along nicely so maybe if....., I can get it to the point that mamma and the grandsons can use it....., she won’t know I’m working on the project ��

Hot and sweaty from chopping all this honeysuckle up, how's the pool project coming??? Build it yourself or what, tell us all about it.

1954bmw
06-12-2020, 06:33 PM
Sorry, just a couple more, concrete forms, plastic liner, how much gas money to go for a ride in the Checkmate you are selling??? Was doing great till I saw the trump flag.

Instigator
06-12-2020, 06:49 PM
If u have a problem with the flag, consider your invitation to be null and void.


Was doing great till I saw the trump flag.

Dave Strong
06-12-2020, 07:02 PM
If u have a problem with the flag, consider your invitation to be null and void.

I was just biting my tongue and waiting for you.:D

Dave:cheers:

Instigator
06-13-2020, 08:19 AM
BTW, no concrete for the pool.

My bro-in-laws is what I am copying and is basically a plywood box w/a liner in it.

30 yrs later he has replaced the liner once and used the pool every day in season.


I was just biting my tongue and waiting for you.:D

Dave:cheers:

MODVP22
06-13-2020, 08:31 AM
BTW, no concrete for the pool.

My bro-in-laws is what I am copying and is basically a plywood box w/a liner in it.

30 yrs later he has replaced the liner once and used the pool every day in season.

could spray gelcoat for the liner. Nice durability....wait, there I go again with boating related ideas ;)

Instigator
06-13-2020, 09:29 AM
My home made replacement light panel for my $50 e-Bay bow hatch.

Even fit the first time ��

mrichartz
06-13-2020, 10:47 AM
My home made replacement light panel for my $50 e-Bay bow hatch.

Even fit the first time ��

Oh do you still have the hardware for the old hatch?

mrichartz
06-13-2020, 10:54 AM
How are you finishing the outerside of the pool..

Yea had a friend who made an oval one with concrete blocks and skim coated the inside and a liner been there for 30 years has never had a problem was supposed to last a few years