This Piece Of Crap Is Down Again!!

[bill mason]

I have 24 hours on this damn modified 260 most of that time has been breaking it in twice. It has eaten 4 stators and been completely apart twice!! The flywheel hub was worn so replaced it but it still ate the stator. Put a different flywheel on and it did the same thing. I have owned a lot of HOT things in my life but never such a undependable piece of junk as this. I think that the upper crank bearing is causing the trouble and has been all the time. Jay Smith tried to repair it but it hasn't worked. What a piece os crap!!

[Simon]

Bill, Ship me the powerhead and I will make it right.I will dyno it also so when you get it back you will not have any problems. Eric

[sho305]

Feel free to post a normal sized pic of that great triple toilet flusher you have for an avatar:) :) :) :eek: Sweet.

[Simon]

Ok here it is. Simon Motorsports 2.7, diamond flywheel, Simon 50 amp alternator kit, MAD EFI intake and Injection, billet heads, and very fast.

[bill mason]

ON THE WAT ERIC. I will call you early this morning.

[ProComp]

Now that is a piece of work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ProComp

[Liqui-Fly]

Is putting the flywheel on with an impact wrench a bad thing?

David

[sho305]

That is some fine hardware! What hulls are those getting run on? 2.7L:D

Bill, I hear you...I've had some stinker problems on projects before. Someone here can help. Just remember that is what keeps the guy you passed from having one:cool:

[hydrostream1]

thats a awsome outboard engine!!I hope i can afford that someday,Ha!

[bill mason]

I have talked with a few guys and no one seems to have seen this problem. When I bought this from a guy on the board it was advertised as "NEW" never put together. The first time it was started it ate the top of the stator. It ran 9 hours and piston clip broke. When Jay Smith put it back together he found top crank bearing was loose so he tried to repair it. The stator had to be replaced again. 15 hours later flywheel ate top and sides of stator.Put new hub in flywheel but flywheel ate top of stator again, put on whole different flywheel same thing. Eric at Simon Motorsports has really been helpful in trying to help me figure this out and is going to check it out. Wonder if he can make it look like the one he has posted!!! I know I have as much money in this thing as he gets for his 2.7's. Anyone ever seen this before? Any ideas much appreciated. Thanks guys

[Raceman]

It looks like that Mad EFI front is different from the other ones I've seen. They all seem connected between the three throats and this one appears individual. It sure looks better this way.

I'm curious what Jay did to "try to repair" a loose top crank bearing. Seems like that's the obvious place to look. If the flywheel is rubbing the stator, have you ever pulled it back off after just running for a few minutes to see if it's a progressive or sudden failure? Any chance of some bizarre defect in the upper bearing cap since you've replaced the flywheel and stator without fixing the problem? Sounds awful strange.

Who sold you the powerhead that was represented as new???

[bill mason]

I am not sure exactly what Jay did to try to fix the upper crank bearing problem. He found it when he was putting the engine back together. I bought the engine from Dave Hensley. After the clip broke, 9 hours, I sent it back to him and he put a sleeve in it. Sevweal hundred dollars later I asked if he minded that I have Jay put it back together and that is when Jay found the upper bearing problem. I have over $12,000 in thie NEW never put together engine. I hate to bad mouth anyone on this board as everyone has been so very helpful. Dave did provide a bearing and another stator. I really don't believe he knew the engine was in the condition it was in. I have talked several times with him and he is a very nice person it is just the fact something very wrong is going on with this thing. Eric is of the same thought as your are about the upper cap. It is leaking oil pretty good. I am sending it to him today and he is going to check it out. Thank your for your thoughts. Later

[sho305]

I had an 80s yamaha sled once that the flywheel came off. The screws came out. I had to get the case welded back together and locktighted the bolts in. After maybe 25 hours it started to rattle again and I shut it off in the middle of a lake. Bolts again! I locked them in again with the high power locktight, impact driver, and sold it. I can only figure the crank was bent. I took it off and it fit perfect on the crank, seemed to spin true, no movement in the bearing. It never messed with the stator though. That is a big movement there to hit them. Has to be bearing or failure from something else. That could take the whole motor out.

Also, I had gone thru the clutch on the sled to make sure that was not causing vibration. It was bored w/new pistons even.

[Eagle One]

Hey Bill,
I assume the drag engine we shipped you is still running fine as we haven't heard from you and I'm sure if there was a problem we would have. I haven't seen this problem engine of yours but I assure you it is repairable. Sounds like its a problem that is just being overlooked from its simplicity. These are usually the hardest to find. Glad to help if we can. I think I have an idea what the problem is as I have had a similar one before.
Eagle One

[bill mason]

Noah I have never had any problem with anything I got from you from lifejacket to lower unit to the drag motor. I have been down Arril May June for the past 4 years. I am so thankful I have the engine I got from you. I put it back on this weekend and she started on the first click of the key. As Always can't thank you enough for everything. I sure hope it is not serious but the crank or the bearing is the only thing that I can see that would cause this. $12 grand is beyond any reasonable persons stretch. . Thanks for words of encouragement. Headed for a couple long weekends fishing and then to the West Coast Allison Rally with the engine I got from you on the back. Later

[Eagle One]

If all else fails get it to me and we'll heal it if it takes assistance from Billy Graham!!!!Glad your engine from us is doing well.
Eagle One

[NEECAPR]

Bill, Noah; There must be enormous clearance in the bearing or between the outer race and the cap to have so much stator damage and to have oil leakage(seal stretch). Noah, you're noting that it might be something very simple. Is it possible that you (Bill) have a small top( 1.375") crank in a large top(1.498") bearing? I know that sounds stupid, but, -----. Let me know if you end up with any special bearing needs; You've been through enough so I'll help you for next to nothing! Cy, NEECA

[Eagle One]

Cy, I believe the engine Bill has is a large ball bearing model as with the 1995 up or so and the bearing does not ride on the crank but rather the bearing fits the crank including its own inner race. The ball bearing models had a thin shim made in the bearing and it sometimes falls out. The thickness is about .033 which would be a probable cause.
Eagle One

[NEECAPR]

Noah, Thanks for the update! I'm just getting into the 20th century and now they tell me a nother new one has come along!

[bill mason]

Thanks everyone for replys. I will let you know as soon as I found out anything. Like I said everyone I have talked to has not heard of this happening but believe me I have been in this situtation before, usually Noah has come to my rescue before we Had to call Billy in. Guess I am just going to have to retire in Florida! Thanks again