It all started looki g for cougar then stv please advise

[kellytheaker]

So I am very interested in buying a little hot rod .always wanted a tunnel. So had been looking hard at cougar 19s and 21. Then I read a thread on STvs and then I got a little confused with the somer and the triad hulls .I best get some input from some members . I WANT A GREAT PERFORMER. So what do I buy for a great hull ,currently looking at a 90 super comp hull. Where are the problem areas - stress cracking ,do they have a core or are they foamed and what year was best. Thanks

[catfish2race]

Try A LCB.
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[kellytheaker]

Not exactly sure what you mean by Lcb .please expand but cougar and svt are currently being discussed hopefully I will get some forum input on those hulls thanks

[dgscroggs]

Lcb is another tunnel hull I'm sure someone with more knowledge will chime in about them

[kellytheaker]

Thanks for the reply but certainly not going in that direction .I certainly feel its an exciting hull but I feel the 2 boats above are real close to the direction I'm headed.

[JPEROG]

Nothing wrong with an STV. They do have limited rough water capability in comparison to an LCB. The 90 Pro Comp that you are asking about is a great boat (I have had 2 of them in the past). They "Roark Summerford" changed the Pro Comp in 89 and angled the sponsons up slightly which made them less prone to stuffing a fork. A lot of them will have stress cracks in the deck (near the top of the rear seat flange) its not structural and is easy to have a glass guy grind and repair so that it looks new again. The boat is almost 30 years old so look it over and take someone that has a good general knowledge of boats with you for inspection. You didn't mention power but they will run low 90s with a 200 and up to 120+with bigger power. You will not likely ever see that type of performance with a cougar.

The pictures below are of my current STV (River Rocket) next to my current LCB. I don't think that I need to explain the size difference.

Joe








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[kellytheaker]

Thanks for the reply ,the usual stress cracking area is helpful info . This is rigged with a manual jack 300x running a worked 3 blade . I understand these hulls ,somerford are not bagged as the triad hull .The weight of the hull is an unknown to me - you may know .Anything else I should be aware of ? .This all started by thinking I needed a Cougar and a 19 was just an excellent piece . Just making sure I'm heading down a better path than the cougar . Your new cat looks outrageous but up her in Canada ,availability will be non existent in the used market for some time ,so no sense dreaming .

[JPEROG]

I have a 300X on the river rocket. The boat really pulls great with all of the torque. If this is your first performance boat, you are going directly to the "top of the ladder" with this combination. Please be careful and wear the proper safety gear.

The majority of those boats weighed around 750 lbs "new" but boats are like women, they always seem to get heavier as they age. It shouldn't matter what it weighs- with an X it will be fast.

Joe

[kellytheaker]

Thanks for safety advice . You are saying they take in water -foam or are they a balsa core . Thanks for the education - its important to me at this stage .I did understand this is a premix 32:1 and injection has been removed . I would have thought injection would have been bullit proof .

[dgscroggs]

^^^lol

[JPEROG]

I am saying that all boats over time hold some level of moisture due to the nature of their use and environment. Also every time someone adds something to the boat "bracket, handle, stereo, brace, wire or anything" it all adds weight. The same goes for repair or paint, everything comes out heavier in most cases. Oil injection is never bullet proof.

Joe

[kellytheaker]

Thanks appreciate the facts ,so its usual to run premix on these . Good to know.

[JPEROG]

Run premium fuel 93 octane minimum and a good outboard oil at 32:1 and you will keep your motor happy.

Joe

[David]

The most important thing with boats that old is to be sure there is no rot in the core, floor, and transom. Both the Cougar and STV are wood glass sandwiches.

STV will be faster with equal power.

[kellytheaker]

I am aware the cougar hull is balsa cored,so does the SVT also use balsa or is it just transom area that is the problem wood sandwiched together.

[stokernick]

Stoker!!

[JPEROG]

I am aware the cougar hull is balsa cored,so does the SVT also use balsa or is it just transom area that is the problem wood sandwiched together.

I know the knees and transom are wood (I have had to dig into them for changes that I made). I have never had a need to get into the running surface of any of my STVs so I don't know what material Roark used for core.

Joe

[kellytheaker]

So as far as transom /knee problems .These boats will show the problem as cracking from the swell or do you have to drill to see the issue . The boats I am looking at are usually pulled out of the water but that is currently the practice after the day . You had mentioned earlier the usual cracking at the rear seating area . Up at the top or? And I suspect knee bracing was the need for digging into those areas - was that your thread on the bracing project ? Glad I have you forwarding what you know ,otherwise its just blind enthusiasm and I'm trying to slow it down- educate up and move forward and purchase well . The hull has been talked about as a rather sedate predictable super fast runner especially with the 300x . I have to say I wish it had injection still just for the convenience - does everyone rip them off .

[kellytheaker]

Stock steering on a 90 hull is ? Double cable . And the steering that is NEC,at a Hundred plus . Thoughts on .
I havnt been looking past the In.itial impressed stage a d it not going to be easier standing beside it! 300 merc.So need solid steering feedback -torque steer .I suspect stock is double cable ?

[David]

Found my 97 STV brochures. Klegecel core. Doesn't sound like wood.

[mistah_max]

I am/was interrested in this boat mainly for the motor that i'd like to put on my talon. the guy emailed me back saying its a 1998 model and he isnt shure of the hrs. he sent me a pic of it and said it previously had a MAD efi intake like pictured but he had the stock one re-installed. the block and everything else is painted black. I'm thinking is a regular 300 promax so I'm out. He said he cant find the serial number to confirm. just so you know.

[mistah_max]

sorry for the sideway pics.


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[Da Bull]

There are several 21ft Cougars for sale in the above 20ft forum. One advertises 120mph.

DB

[stoker2001]

There are several 21ft Cougars for sale in the above 20ft forum. One advertises 120mph.

DB
that yellow one is VERY special (not the norm) has DBR modded 300X and would never come close to STV acceleration!!

[SANTAFE]

I am not sure when it changed, but I don't think STV's have wood anymore. All composite now, I think. wouldn't want to stake my life on it.
Anyway mine is.

[kellytheaker]

Thanks for the reply back,I would I would prefer the discussion further about sommerfeld Hulls and in the Triad hull .I think the two builders ,Somerfeld being the eearlier may have had a diff,product than Glegasil.

[David]

My brochures are from 1997. STV Co, Wiggins MS.

Fall is a good time to buy. Find the best condition boat you can afford, Cougar, STV, other. There are lots of fun boats.

[kellytheaker]

Can You share the brochure with email ,are you capable .Thanks love to see a bit of history and tech . Want a cougar or SVT . 19 TO 21 . KEEP ME INFORMED ,back to the brochure -90 is what I've been informing myself about and like the 19 and 21 cougar . Looking .found a nice 19 out west and 21 in Quebec - 300 evinrudeV8- 1988 vintage I suspect and super blue going on .Question the motor just don't know the product .How about an old 85 evinrude 235 horse - can these be reliable or are they just boats that need repowered and in reality they are to be passed up and wait for a merc, and do you even buy an old merc.

[David]

pics sent

[kellytheaker]

[Q Just a great look back thanksUOTE=David;2991576]pics sent[/QUOTE]

[JPEROG]

1997 Wiggins MS was Wally's first years.

Joe

[JerseyChris]

but boats are like women, they always seem to get heavier as they age.



:D I loled

[kah68]

Kelly PM Sent

[Euroski]

1997 Wiggins MS was Wally's first years.

Joe

My 98 Euro was from Mississippi. HIN started with TIU.