ETEC ECM flash whos doin em..

[150aintenuff]

someone by now has to have the pesky bastids unlocked... whos got the flashes.... :)

[Michael J Giesler]

Only can be done a brp good luck

[vnemous]

yeah brp. They no longer give us ability to upload software and we have to send computer back to them and wait for new one.

[Michael J Giesler]

All because some very stupid and jealous people that couldn't stop crying it could have been a good little program very sad

[FMP]

What ecu/ecm is it? Someone who does just that was asking. Thought he could get the back door open but wasn't sure what the factory might have done without seeing one etc

[hq_]

AFAIK, Lundin's Marin R&D in Sweden are reflashing and remapping ETEC:s. I'm not sure what BRP is up to these days but their recent policies are about to sell me an Optimax next time I need a new outboard.

[wettek]

Apparently Lundin flashed a 150 ETec to 185

http://www.etecownersgroup.com/post/lundins-marine-rd-150hp-etec-tuned-to-185hp-7754793?trail=75

[Ally101]

There's someone in the US doing them for a fact :leaving:

[wettek]

Who's doing them? I'd love to tweak my 175.....
Is anybody actually opening them up for repair? Mine has a resettable thermal fuse in it that is playing up.

[baja200merk]

There is a guy fixing the charging circuit but that's all he can do to etec.

[powerabout]

All because some very stupid and jealous people that couldn't stop crying it could have been a good little program very sad
what was that story?

[dbelus]

http://www.marinecomputersupply.com/

Highly recommended for reliable Ficht and DI EMM repairs. Do not believe he does E-TEC at this point.
I have no personal experience with "unlocked" EMM's (rev limiter disabled) but know it can be done. Somewhere outside the US I believe. Austrailia?

[powerabout]

http://www.marinecomputersupply.com/

Highly recommended for reliable Ficht and DI EMM repairs. Do not believe he does E-TEC at this point.
I have no personal experience with "unlocked" EMM's (rev limiter disabled) but know it can be done. Somewhere outside the US I believe. Austrailia?
maybe he can only ship to Australia so not breaking the law then get somebody to ship it back to you....
Though the Bahamas would be closer?

[tahoetech]

what was that story?

What IS the story? Are the computer nerds worried about copy-write infringements or something?

[dbelus]

What IS the story? Are the computer nerds worried about copy-write infringements or something?

Absolutely... EMM code is pretty proprietary stuff. Don't want those pesky Russians hacking us. 😎

[powerabout]

BRP get EPA kicking and maybe a fine if an emission compliant module gets hacked. Automotive industry has some copyright waiver at the moment.
but I was referring to post 4 where i think a BRP employee was involved?

[tahoetech]

I can see where an employee would get the hammer if he was moonlighting on this.. But, the aftermarket usually has ways around this kind of stuff, right? I mean, they aren't making money because they are duplicating the technology, they are changing settings inside the program.

[powerabout]

I can see where an employee would get the hammer if he was moonlighting on this.. But, the aftermarket usually has ways around this kind of stuff, right? I mean, they aren't making money because they are duplicating the technology, they are changing settings inside the program.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act

[phillnjack]

BRP get fine if an emission compliant module gets hacked !!!!

err no this is incorrect, they cannot be in any sort of trouble if the module is HACKED.
The word HACKED tells you it is not something under the control of BRP and is frowned upon..

anyway if anyone wants to go racing the emissions dont come into it, racing unless in a green class the emissions dont count.
also dont count if used commercially, this is how you can still buy 2 strokes motors brand new that DO NOT MEET emissions regs.
if you state you will be using the motor solely for racing or solely for commercial use the old type 2 strokes are available.

We in the uk are not allowed to buy brand new old type 2 strokes due to emissions, unless of course we buy ex-demo or for racing or
for commercial use.
this is just an example of how to buy, (there are several ways round the legal bit.)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-MERCURY-Conventional-2-Two-Stroke-50-HP-Outboard-Motor-Engine-Commercial-Use-/152689240314

[tahoetech]

Bump

[John S]

The answers you seek are at blarney island. As are all of the titty holders on the ceiling of the bar.

[Speed Jr.]

Fake News. :D

[trimup]

Now that Evinrude is dead and buried and BRP's attention is long gone can we get to the bottom of this. I can buy a repo G2 from a local lender really right, but it has no warranty as the debtor overheated the crap out of it due stupidity. He located and swapped on a good used different HP long block trying to get it running but the dealer wouldn't program the EMM to match. The original EMM is now completely MIA after the repo. Powerhead appears to be never disassembled just needs an EMM programmed for X horsepower original powerhead was X+25, midsection and serial number are X+25. There are tons of EMMs sloshing around the used market at reasonable prices but the sellers never know or won't disclose what model they came off nor will anybody admit to being able to flash an EMM to match an engine. The entire situation is weird nobody even pretends to give a dang about programming on car and truck ecus but people act like the EPA will have the FBI at the door if somebody flashes me an EMM for 25 less horsepower. What gives??

[baja200merk]

The g1 emm is easy to change maps and HP. I have g2 diag but never tried changing maps just injectors etc. If it’s the big motor 200ho-300 porting is the difference I know on a 200ho g1 vs a 225ho/250hp is about .050 higher exhaust port. Worst case just March the port to the tune instead of marching the tune to the port. I have a few g2 powerheads I could get you port measurements if needed.

[powerabout]

check the sled guys, they seem to be able to program the 2 and 3 cyl e-tecs

[trimup]

check the sled guys, they seem to be able to program the 2 and 3 cyl e-tecs

Maybe I wasn't clear. I do not need some esoteric custom tune. I don't want to disassemble and change the port timing on this powerhead. It is going on the Mastercraft Powerstar 200 named "Water Brake" (for the way it effortlessly absorbs power) that we keep at the family lake place. I just need to find somebody that I can send a good used 0587334 EMM to that is say flashed for a 300 and have them reflash it for a 225.

[powerabout]

Maybe I wasn't clear. I do not need some esoteric custom tune. I don't want to disassemble and change the port timing on this powerhead. It is going on the Mastercraft Powerstar 200 named "Water Brake" (for the way it effortlessly absorbs power) that we keep at the family lake place. I just need to find somebody that I can send a good used 0587334 EMM to that is say flashed for a 300 and have them reflash it for a 225.
same issue, you need to add a map to a emm that is programmed not to allow it.

[baja200merk]

I can do it to g1 never tried g2. Your going to have to do a data transfer from a 225 emm to your emm then do a software update to your emm because the map will not match the model, hp or prefix etc.

[wicheckmate]

actually a few tuners have gotten fined as of late along or forced to shut down. we've stuck a 225HO emm on a 200HO and it worked.... Sure did it run a bit rich yes but it ran well... although that was a G1.

[dgscroggs]

actually a few tuners have gotten fined as of late along or forced to shut down. we've stuck a 225HO emm on a 200HO and it worked.... Sure did it run a bit rich yes but it ran well... although that was a G1.
And it still runs well !!!

[wicheckmate]

And it still runs well !!!
Heck yeah and you’ve put a ton of time on that engine !!!

[cali kid]

There is a guy fixing the charging circuit but that's all he can do to etec.
Who's fixing the charging circuit? Thanks

[canuckr]

Can somebody send me a few pictures of the ECU. Pin outs and part numbers.
No guarantees but I know a guy that hacks can am (BRP) and other ECU's for a couple aftermarket companies to tune. (SxS and sleds)

He's into my HPDI ECU so we can tune it.

[Michael J Giesler]

actually a few tuners have gotten fined as of late along or forced to shut down. we've stuck a 225HO emm on a 200HO and it worked.... Sure did it run a bit rich yes but it ran well... although that was a G1.

This came up this winter on a Snowmobile trip I spoke with a guy from north Michigan that could do ski doo Snowmobiles and atv and I think he said 2008 -2012 e techs 3.4 but said due to big brother he has stopped completely he did 2 motors for Bass boat guy told them to not talk about it well 2 weeks later he said he was Bombarded with emails and phone calls He said at that point it's not worth it He did comment the difference in the e tech outboards and snowmobiles was night day when breaking the code

[trimup]

This came up this winter on a Snowmobile trip I spoke with a guy from north Michigan that could do ski doo Snowmobiles and atv and I think he said 2008 -2012 e techs 3.4 but said due to big brother he has stopped completely he did 2 motors for Bass boat guy told them to not talk about it well 2 weeks later he said he was Bombarded with emails and phone calls He said at that point it's not worth it He did comment the difference in the e tech outboards and snowmobiles was night day when breaking the code

In this case we are still on different wavelengths. I am talking about returning a used EMM to service on a used motor with no warranty. I simply want to confirm the EMM has the most current maps for this size engine or update the EMM if not. This is strictly and clearly a "Right to Service" issue. I swapped a 6.0L out of an Escalade in to a 5.3L Tahoe years ago now. There were at least 25 guys that could handle the ECU work even back then. The truck ultimately went to my brother in California and is still passing CARB inspections. This kind of thing should be a non issue as the law is clear in many other markets that the consumer has a right to utilize and program used parts as part of a repair process. EPA compliance is my responsibility and mine alone when I source and install the parts.

[wicheckmate]

so then just find a used EMM that is same generation and same year and you'll be just fine... The variables in injector co-effeciants is sooo small it doesn't have to be remapped, updated or anything...

[trimup]

so then just find a used EMM that is same generation and same year and you'll be just fine... The variables in injector co-effeciants is sooo small it doesn't have to be remapped, updated or anything...

My original idea as well. I have emailed or called tons of dismantlers that have the correct EMM 587334. None of them will say what the unit came off, but they will say they are selling them all the time. That tells me somebody has the capability to do what I need done. BRP is way out on a weak limb if they are harassing someone exercising a legitimate right to repair. Tesla getting bit h slapped proved again the courts have zero patience for nonsense arguments about proprietary code when it comes to repairs.
Please PM me if anyone reading this can do the repair.

[wicheckmate]

My original idea as well. I have emailed or called tons of dismantlers that have the correct EMM 587334. None of them will say what the unit came off, but they will say they are selling them all the time. That tells me somebody has the capability to do what I need done. BRP is way out on a weak limb if they are harassing someone exercising a legitimate right to repair. Tesla getting bit h slapped proved again the courts have zero patience for nonsense arguments about proprietary code when it comes to repairs.
Please PM me if anyone reading this can do the repair.


so what year powerhead do you have now and what generation and what horsepower ?

[trimup]

Powehead is 225HO HA series. Midsection it is mounted on is 250HO HC series.

[MrG]

Well now that they stoped making them now who’s going to fix it