Imagine racing THIS - and LOSING!

[Scream And Fly]

I got to drive this Progression 24 Stern Drive today. Yeah, high deck with a full cabin interior and the works - and it runs 105 mph!

It has a MC 502 EFI with a Pro Charger running at 10+ PSI of boost.

Okay, how would you feel if you were in an STV or an Allison and this boat was running along side you at 100 MPH? Better yet, imagine if it beat you? LOL!

Greg

[Talon2.5]

heck if he runs 100 he already beat me hahahahahaha :eek:

[action17]

me too.. for now!!!:eek:

[VELOCITOY]

HEY GREG...You are SUCH a showoff!!!...lol...Progression makes a hell of a boat!!!...Nice ride!!!...Not to sound like a jerk, but was that on a GPS???...That's movin'!!!....probably didn't spill your cocktail either!!!....Can I be your new best friend???...LATAPOTATA>>>>>>>>>>

[Raceman]

105 with a single stern drive?????? I gotta see it to believe it. What kinda outdrive?

[WATERWINGS]

Hard to believe it would beat an STV , Allison, Vector, etc. with a 280, at least in the 1/4 mile!

Or even top end!!!

Quater mile water style!

[WATERWINGS]

I just a couple of years ago, sold my 23" Baretta, cuddy cabin with a 350, (59.6 GPS MPH) to a friend that took out the 350 and put in a 500 HP 454.

Now it runs 79.6 GPS MPH.

Our river mostly has FAST boats that run 70 MPH (if they are lucky)
so he spanks all but a few.

He still hates it when he is streched out and I come SCREAMING AND FLYING past him on just a few inches of boat.

I can tell the faster his boat runs (compared to when I had it) the more it comes up out of the water, its not running on much when its next to 80 MPH!

Oh yea, no pad!

[JW]

When you race a big I/O that's faster than you, just spank him on acceleration and when you top out, just pull back like the race is already through! :p

[jerry]

jerry has seen this boat run in the past , jerry dont know how fast it was going but it was moving very fast , at least in the 90s !

[stang]

you got the M-3 on it ? S/C or oil feed ?

[speedyfast]

especially in the past

[stang]

Raceman 26 ft DCB 598 CI Procharger M-3SC FAST EFI 10 PSI Boost on pump gas 93. 137 on the gun Single eng Belive it

[ChrisXS2003]

I'd have to see it to believe it, too!

I don't think the hull aerodynamics would allow that kind of speed no matter how much power is applied.

Chris

[Scream And Fly]

I disagree - I have one better for you. There's a Progression 27 with an 800SC/Imco drive system that runs 102 mph. Even better, the blue Progression 22 with the 300X that ran 101 mph. (several times). ALL GPS.

Progressions are very fast, for many reasons.

Greg:)

[stang]

i would be glad to hook you up with a ride in the boat if you have the nuts to go for a ride made 1100 hp on the M-3 he now has a M-5sc blower (Procharger) made 1378 on pump gas, greg you live up by there some were i can E-Mail you his number and he will give you a ride bring your G.P.S. and staker gun so you can show the boys the numbers or go to www.procharger.com look up marine, your all just to use to your buddys telling you they go a 120 in there STV when it only goes 90s, if you look up some of the old hot boats they did a bunch of htm cats with prochargers on them well over a 100 steves ran on a single 140s hot boat was there with the gps and gun they believe now LOL

[Raceman]

Well 'scuze my continuin' skepticism, but my experience has been that it takes riiiiiill close to 600 HP to get a 22' Pachanga into the upper 80's and blowout with a Bravo is gettin' to be a real possibility. With the Blackhawk, the speed potential is a little higher, but twin turbos (8lbs boost) on a 502 and later a 540 didn't get anywhere near 100, which I think would've been impossible with the Bravo. Now granted, a Pachanga doesn't have the absolute best bottom, as far as V's go for all out speed, but it ain't the worst either.

Stang, I find the 137 with a single pump gas big block even harder to believe............ much harder.

[Raceman]

"your all just to use to your buddys telling you they go a 120 in there STV when it only goes 90s"

The STV's around here will run 120's (maybe faster) but we prefer to tell everybody they'll just run 90's.

[Scream And Fly]

Raceman - LOL - but I still want to know how fast your STV MOD-VP is!

As for the Stern Drive:

Imco Marine (http://www.imcomarine.com/pages/sterndrives.html#xt%20ad%20lower%20units) - really cool stuff!

Greg

[Raceman]

Greg, that's where we're different. I don't wanna know. Matter of fact, I'm skeered' to know, REAL skeered'.

[stang]

Like i said i can get you a ride in the boat you might have to fly to pa. well as far as the drives XRs but we have B. that go 109 on the gun no blow out 42 foutian twin 502s M-3SC 1100 HP pump gas, as far as the the STVs running i know there are some that go 120s but the guys that say they go 120 go 90s and the one that say they go 90s go 120s do i have that right ?

[Scream And Fly]

Raceman, I don't blame you - sure looks pretty though.

Personally, I would like to know how scary THIS creation is.

I wonder who was responsible for it... Hmmmm...;)

Greg

[WATERWINGS]

Who can still beat David Carver with an S3000 (V-6) on nitros in the 1/4 mile (no less) @ 139.67, I think below 8.90 (No disrespect intended) I was there.

That was only between 750 to 800 HP.

Imagine proping that same STV for top end and letting it loose in the kilo, I would not be afraid to say that I would be SKIEERD!

[Fish]

There is a S&F member that does not post very often named Geoo. I have seen his 18 donzi break the 100mph mark. However, to do it, he had to put in about 700 horsies, and an arneson drive. the boat was also a little lighter than stock, and has no transmission (he starts it in forward).

Geoo Video 1 (you can actuall hear the rev limiter)
http://www.studioonline.com/playvideos.asp?crypt=54D3120A2085A157

Geoo Video 2 ( a close up)
http://www.studioonline.com/playvideos.asp?crypt=AE82793FFCFFB3B7

http://www.donzi.net/hull/DMR181251075-X/DMR181251075-XX-18%20Arneson1.jpg

It takes an awful lot to get a single screw I/O into the tripple digits, especially when you are not flyin above the water, you are plowin through it.

[Stv Euro]

Tell me about it!! David Carver had that STV moven in Plymoth N.C. What kind of RPM's do the NO2 2.5 run and what pitch prop? I was just wondering.

Sounds like all the other post are a bunch of 100mph parking lot stories!:D :D

LINE THEM UP AND LET IT RIP!!!

[Raceman]

The red and black boat was scary and I never got it to it's full potential. With age, my self preservation instinct has increased dramatically. Considering the super big pitch (23 with 14:16 gear ratio) the acceleration was phenominal. It would've been interesting to see what kind of number somebody with super big cahoonas could've gotten out of it, or how the acceleration would
've been with about an 18 pitch wheel on the speedmaster.

The same is pretty much true for the yellow boat. I think it's got the potential for a pretty big number too, but I don't see it happening with me sittin' in it.

[Raceman]

I'm always skeptical when these amazing number get posted, both speed and horsepower. A local guy has a mega buck 26' Talon. It started out as a Indy stock block turbo V6 Buick project with a #5 Mercruiser Speedmaster and a turbo 400 transmission. That engine supposedly put out over 1000 HP, but had a useable powerband of about 6 or 800 RPM's. Anything outside it and the engine was flat on it's face. They couldn't make it work, even with the 3 gears in the turbo 400 trans. They were having to tow it to get it on top, and even then couldn't seem to get it in a useable RPM range, so they scrapped it in favor of a 572" Chevy with a 10:71 blower, all professionally done by some blown Chevy guru and again, no expense spared. It requires race gas and is one of the most impressive looking boats I've seen. There's only one problem with it. My red/orange/yellow STV, when owned by the original owner, would run off and hide, and it was right around a 120 MPH flat boat on the gun.

I don't know what an XR drive is, but if it's anything near a Bravo case, I can't see how it can substain these kinds of speeds.

[espen]

Fish thanks for the video ! The Norwegian word FY FAAN just slipped my mouth :-)watching it.
To be outrun by that progression would be embarrasing to say the least.... I have driven a 26 hydrolift with relocated pad a light center console boat with 502 Magnum efi and pro charger it was a long way to 100mph...it did about 67knots .
One with merc hp 500 did 65 knots and one with volvo DPX 600 (560hp) did 69knots
Espen

[Firestarter]

Raceman, I will drive your Triad MOD-VP to top end, and don't worry I won't tell you how fast it goes.
David Carver, has said that he has gone mid 140's in a little longer than a 1/4, and to quote him " I have big balls, but not that big". He turns a 28 ET, with 1.78 gears at over 10000.

As for Sea Ray, (used to work for them), we had a P22 that ran 88 mph with a blown 454, a 210BR with a 300MPI (350cid), thru prop exhaust 69mph, and a 190 CB (this boat was done in 99), with a 300mpi, ProCharger, CMI exhaust, thru prop exhaust (ask CMI to make those pipes again), 84mph........do not try that with the top up! Sleeper boats are cool!

And 10 lbs of boost, I hate race gas, it really takes away from day to day use.

RT

[Raceman]

"I hate race gas, it really takes away from day to day use."

Not really Rob. It just makes it cost a bunch more. When I had the twin turbos on the Pachanga I ran 1/2 & 1/2. Anything less and it detonated which finally got a piston.

[T-REX]

That that Yankee water iz sum ov tha slipperiest stuff in da world!!!...I guess I'm juss too hard headed, but I would have ta ride in dat bote at 110 ta believe it, and then I would have ta brang my own gps, and then pinch myself 3 or 4 times!!!...I got a bud down yher wit a 34' (one ov a kind, built especially for him by Reggie) Fountian...2 1000+ HP blown bigblocks, wit then race drysump outdrives...It will run 120+...It's bad to tha bone...But 120 iz only 10mph faster than that progression!!! It juss don't add up...I bet if Brister brung dat Fountian up to yankee water it would run at leest 160!!!:eek: :eek: ...Sorry, Juss amazez me how fast boatz run on a forum...My REX only runz 60, so I wuz thank'in bout take'in a trip up north so I could see what it feelz like ta runn over 100 in da big REX;) ....I bet dat slikk water iz hard to git of when ya take a bath too:eek: :eek: ...REX:cool:

[Firestarter]

T-Rex our "slick" water is called ice, 0 percent slip........works great.

RT

[WATERWINGS]

This is the Beretta that I told about on the first page, that now runs 79.6 GPS with 500 ponies.

[Raceman]

Rex, you right about that slippery water up there. I wonder if there's any way to package it and bring it down here and cut our water some with it. Kinda like mixin' race gas with the cheap stuff. Seems like somebody up there was claimin' about 130 with a VHT with a stock 260 on it a while back. That musta had some of that slick water too.

I'm wonderin' if them satalites got all them lattitudes and logitudes all crossed up in Yankeeland and got them GPS's all in an uproar.

[stang]

they have this thing called an intercooler keeps the pistons at bay with pump gas,

[Liqui-Fly]

There are a lot of guys from the southern part of New Yawk State that have very very very fast boats but they tend to be the guys that never show on game day. Especially the Superboat and Progression crowd. I'd eat my words if someone with a 22 of either put up numbers higher than 85 with a 300. As far as the baby blue V running over 100...now that's funny. What does it have 1200 hp?

David

[Firestarter]

An intercooler with a 502 mpi and it's 8.6:1 compression ratio will not help at 10psi. Unless that motor has had the compression dropped to 7:1 ish, it will need a lot of octane to run, in all fairness we have no idea what has been done to the motor with the information given.

[Charlie M]

Slippery Yankee water.......Rex your killin' me. Its not the slippery water.....its the atmosphere, Up here the air is so thick motas' make twice as much powa'. Hell up here OMC (BMC, or maybe HMC not shure where they are goin') V-8's make 525 hp (notice Raceman as time goes no the Legendary V-8 keeps on makin' mo Powa') . You take that boost pressure of those stuffed motas' and you suddenly get phonimal ponnies.

[Firestarter]

Hey Fly, there is one being assembled as we speek, with a new 300X, I will see it run on may 29th............
As far as all you guys making fun of the numbers, I know you are all at the very least skeptical, but I have myself run in the park of these speeds. Now some of these speeds are 10mph faster than anything I have ever seen, that doesn't make it impossible, but hard to swallow.
But consider that, salt is faster, cold/water makes a 3mph difference for me.

but hell, if my Challenger 21 with a 2.5 goes 75mph I will be thrilled (read suprised)

RT

[Firestarter]

besides, if you moved up here you would realize, tuners, and land and sea products work real good. :)

[Liqui-Fly]

It will be the wrong prop wrong gearcase wrong engine height and soon as those issues are resolved 10 mph will be picked up. Since I started off being a pecherhead today I'll continue on and throw the New "advanced" Hydrostreams into this mix. All the extra Rinker ammenities that have been thrown into those boats couldn't be compenasated for with any marvel of hydrodynamics.

David

[Liqui-Fly]

Until my Land and Sea dual plg heads come in. They should be good for about 10 mph and get me up to 90. They were on my Suzuki and you could really feel the power. Too bad the boat was waterlogged when I bought it. It was too much for my high strung Special Addition dual plug Suzy. Man I miss her.

[Scream And Fly]

The blue Progression 22 was owned by a very good friend of mine. That boat consistently ran 99 mph, and touched on 101 a few times. This was all on GPS. I know a GPS can be wrong, but every time? Ask the few people that know this boat and they will back up this claim. A Progression is not a Superboat, so Superboat speeds should not be compared to judge the plausibility of the Progression’s speed. Just like I wouldn’t compare an Allison to a Hydrostream. They are both V-bottoms, but that’s it.
Most people just don’t realize that the Progression is made as a race boat – a true race boat, not a consumer boat “dressed” as a race boat. They all have blueprinted bottoms (out of the molds) and are very light. As for the speed claims on the other boats, they are accurate as well. I don’t drink, take drugs, or party too hard, and I am usually the first person to question a top speed number. It is what it is….

Greg
;)

[Liqui-Fly]

Bring it to the Romp. Dinner on me for any Progression with a single outboard that runs 100. I even give a 3 mph altitude and fresh water handicap. I don't even care what's been done to the motor...no pop though...my boat will go 100 on the pop hehe. If it will do 100 I'd even considewr buying one. You can't tell me how strong and well built a boat is for offshore racing and then tell me it's 15 to 20 mph faster than anything like it.

David

[Scream And Fly]

Sure I can... lol

Progression Construction (http://www.progressionboats.com/home/construction.html)

[Firestarter]

add to that, blueprinted out of the mold......they are straight, but not blueprinted.
You might want look at the bottom of the progression....it is awful close to the challenger, I know it is not a spash, but it has some striking similarities........and I have heard of a 100 Superboat, in your area.

[Liqui-Fly]

Can't wait to plow through it....but it's still a ship and I'm still very very very doubtful.

David

[Liqui-Fly]

My brother just bough a Stepp Velocity and it has a 3.0 225 fishing motor on it and they told him mid 60's. Must be the Velocity is a piece of junk.

David

[VELOCITOY]

JEEEZ GREG...Looks like you struck a nerve with this thread!!!...I'm certainly a believer...Maybe those confederate boyz can't get their heads wrapped around the idea that there are other boats with a little meat to 'em that will actually keep up (or beat) those lake (read: calm water only!!!) rockets they all seem to have...LOL...I continue to be AMAZED at some of the (CONFIRMED) numbers I PERSONALLY have witnessed the last couple of years...The Progression's DO seem to have an edge right out of the box, but there are others out there too...Maybe you & your buddies SHOULD show up at some of these "meets" and & show the non-believers!!!...THEN post this thread AGAIN & ask 'em if they wan't some WHINE with that CROW!!!...LOL... I love this place!!!....LATAPOTATAS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Liqui-Fly]

They'll never show. Even the guys in there neighborhood say that they're always MIA at the local gatherings. Like I said, if one ran 100 with a single outboard I'd be talking financing right now and picking out colors. My wife would love a bigger boat.

David

[Raceman]

Just for the record, the 540 my Pachanga had a water cooled (lake water) intercooler, compression in the 8's and 7 to 8 lbs of boost. It absolutely wouldn't run on pump gas without pegging the knock sensor.

[GelcoatJoe]

no way in this lifetime will this progression be faster then a stv wit a good runnin 280 hp......sorry sounds like a progression owners wet dream....been racin since 1981 and now the **** is gettin too deep.....I run a viper v-6 merc about 98 mph and in flat water could not imagine this thing leavin me in the mist,,just my 2 cents

[stvhelm]

the blue progression /300x went over 100mph. it also blew over. the blue progression was repowered with a 280 and didnt perform as well. The yellow 21 superboat that went over 100 had twin 2.5 promax's. that has been sold and is no longer around. there's another blk/wht superboat knocking on 100mph with a 300x though. Im sure he will it get over 100. the guy who blew over the progression bought a new STV River Rocket. look the hell out!:eek:

[espen]

It must be difficoult to get the right balance in those boats at 100mph... would like to see some more details of the rigging ,just did the tour from the link you posted greg ,I am sold... If we have problems beliving gray iron can fly the result is even more impressive. 69 knots in the 26 Hydrolift is barly 80mph.

[PhastBoat]

Not trying to be a wize ass or anything, but your right about not comparing a Progression to a Super Boat or any Super Boat-esk boats, But what about Activator? I have never looked closely at the bottom of a Progression in person, but in pictures they sure do look the same to me.

88 Activator mildly ported 2.4BP EFI Sportmaster 22 big ear chopper, so far on a windy choppy day in the bay 70 mph GPS.
100mph looks to be very far away.

[Fish]

I realize that we tend to mock what we don't understand, but to call the baby blue donzi over 100 "funny" demonstrates in my humble opinion your ingnorance. I have seen the boat do it on gps. Here is a link to the gps. you can also take a look at the engine, it is not 1200hp as you suggested, but it is over 700. Enjoy.


http://www.donzi.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=006019#000012

Fish
__________________
the first step is to admit you don't know everyting.... that is when learning begins. Anon.

[Liqui-Fly]

I wasn';t talking about the Donzi. I was talking about the baby blue Progression with the 300X that has been shown on this board before....so there you have it. Go Fish. Not to mention an 18 footer with 700+ running 100...big deal.

An I really enjoyed the video.;)

David

[Scream And Fly]

Phastboat,

I understand what you're saying, but there are many differences that are beyond what the bottom looks like:

1. Boat weight. The Progression 22 hull weighs 950lb.
2. Construction/materials - some boats flex more than others.
3. Design - check the pic out - Progression's Variable Deadrise Bottom. That pic is of a 29. Only Progression has that (as far as I know).
4. Straight bottom - how straight is the bottom on the boats?
5. Sharp strakes - look how sharp those are.
6. Setup!

Just telling it like it is - all boats are different, for many, many reasons. I do like the Activator though!

Greg

[Liqui-Fly]

For a boat that size to run that fast it won't matter what size and angles the deadrise panels are because it has to be up on that pad. If it ain't there it ain't going 100. All the things ytou're talking about (blueprinting ect) only adds 2 to 3 mph for every boat in the history of the boating World. I would like to see an third party test on these boats as well as on the new Hydrostreams.

David

[mr.clean]

amazing that the home of some of the most inflated boat speeds is in such an uproar because a boat that isn`t 3 feet long with a 2.5 on the back is doing 100mph. i don`t know if any progression can do 100 or not, don`t realy care either. because they are so over priced i wouldn`t even consider getting one.but i have seen quite a few run and they are very fast. i have also been on lakes and seen alot of these 125mph lake boats do nothing (the water is too rough):rolleyes:moral of my story - let he who is without sin cast the first stone ;)

[Liqui-Fly]

Me!! I'd rather have an admittiedly slow boat than be a **** talker:D

David

[Brad Zastrow]

As an owner of both Supercharged I/O's and 2.5 O/B's I can say with confidence that 105 is very possible with that much hp on that hull. The XR drives are a fast drive. On a cat XR's will run 150 mph easy with no blowout. They look like Sportmasters. As for a drag race... be careful guys when you pull up next to blower boat. Once on plane a supercharged boat will run very hard in the midrange all the way to top speed. I know every boat is different I/O or O/B, just do not think all I/O's are dogs. The right hull and the right hp will be fast, be it an inboard or outboard.

[jerry]

gelcoat joe running his mouth again , did anyone say the 24 progression was gonna beat the stv ??
and phatboat , go weigh your boat and you will see why its not fast !!!! activator is a very heavy boat !!!!

[mr.clean]

if that hull ways 950 that says alot considering all the for mentioned 22` hulls come in close to 3000. a 22`rough water boat with a 300x doing 100 mph maybe it`s not so outragious.

[Liqui-Fly]

I would like to see a third party test on the boat. I need more info. Prop RPM gear ratio ect. Just doesn't make any sense to me. V-kings with comparable HP have it tough running those numbers. I seriously doubt the 950 lbs too. I just don't get it.

David

[Raceman]

"besides, if you moved up here you would realize, tuners, and land and sea products work real good."

Naw, not even slick water and thick air make that stuff work. That does give me a marketing idea though. With all the people that have been suckered into buying a tuner that didn't help, I wonder if there's a market for "water slickener". It could be packaged and sold as a concentrate. All I'd have to do is make some kind of outrageous increase claim like the tuner boys do and I'll bet I could sell train loads of it. Anybody up north wanna ship it down here in tankers? Me and T Rex could use our secret concentratin' formula where a five gallon bucket would treat a medium sized lake. Hell, if this stuff takes off, I might can even afford to keep buyin' Merc parts. Far as the air thickener, I ain't got that one figured out yet, but maybe I can get hold of them Blue Marvel Mystery Oil people that make so much mo power with their oil for some ideas on packagin' air.

[Liqui-Fly]

http://www.screamandfly.com/screamandfly/sportmaster_fleetmaster.htm

I know there is a 2 foot difference but>>>>>>

[PhastBoat]

This is such a easy thing to prove. Lets meet at Tanner, with one two, or three Progressions that run 100+. I dont even care what size. Maybe Jerry can bring his 70+ Progression (i guess his was made on a day they ran out of the light stuff). As a third un- biased opinion we can video tape and photograph the GPS. Lets here the excuses fly!!!

[Raceman]

"I need more info. Prop RPM gear ratio ect. Just doesn't make any sense to me. "

David, there's one thing I've seen get a lot mo' sophisticated around here in the last couple of years. Most of the folks that post them big ole' speed numbers are sharp enough with the prop calculator to make their figures support the rumor if they post em. You probably ain't gonna catch no fairy tales there.

[Liqui-Fly]

As the equipment need to run at those speeds. I mean your worked 26 trophy is only gonna run so fast. Chit I went to the pages here and after seeing a test on this page and the numbers produced I'm pretty sure Greg was just being funny this morning.

As for the big block....I'm a stong believer that big block single screw boats won't run 100 unless you completely go the bigger hammer route.

David

[PhastBoat]

Fly that just happens to be are very own "Jerry"s boat. Blisteringly fast.

[Scream And Fly]

Fly,

More than 2 feet.. That's a 1988 Progression. 1992 and newer are all 100% vacuum bagged. Today's 24 Progression is 200lb lighter than that one. Also, that's a 300 on there, not a 300X.

Greg

[PhastBoat]

Looks to me like the 22 may NOT be variable degree?

[Scream And Fly]

They all are - look at the line you drew, now look at the bottom panel and the top panel. You can see the difference, although it's only in 1 degree increments.

Greg:)

[heath brinkley]

I'd sure like to go for a ride in that boat (any of them) maybe one will show up at the RBR. I can only speak for myself, but I'm sure Liqui-Fly and Raceman would be more than happy to join me in a CROW and WHINE dinner. ;) as long as it's on the house, that is:D I love reading stuff on this page, it's like a family get-together.:D :D :D :D

[mr.clean]

:D :D :D sounds like the pachanga is the best choice:o i thought jerry rocked a proline:eek: i think greg owns stock in progression:eek: i know a guy that does 100mph in a bayliner:eek: f#*k all that let`s just fight;)

[Raceman]

Raceman's formula for runnin' exceedingly fast:

First treat the lake with 5 gallons of the Raceman Secret Yankee Formula Water Slickener.

Stick one box of dense Yankee air under the engine hatch, or under the cowl if it's an outboard.

Add quart of Blue Marvel Mystery Oil to the tank, or use to pre mix if it's an outboard.

Stick on a G Farce tuner. You can put it in the glove box if it's a stern drive, it works equally as well there.

Buy a Yankee calibrated GPS. (not sure if they still read knots on the MPH scale if used in the South)

[Liqui-Fly]

Does not = 30 mph in any boat I've ever seen heard or dealt with. Or does it get it to the point where a 7" pad on a 20+ foot boat really starts working hehe. Greg I'm not stabbin' ya...just jabbin' ya.

Raceman knoock off the Yankee stuff too or I'll start talking about some of the fishman you boyz got down south.

David

[Fish]

my apologies, I misinterpreted your post based on the description. I am switching to decaffeinated now.:D

Fish

[Liqui-Fly]

I felt much better after I called you a jackass. I retract that statement and in the future will tell you to drink water for the rest of the day. Unless of course I deserve it; which is also known to happen:D

David

[Raceman]

Let it rip David. Soon as I get through with tha Yankeez, I'll be happy to jump on tha Suthun' fishermen with ya.............. 'specially the Suthun bass fishermen.

[Liqui-Fly]

Well it's time to get back to work on the Fly. I am taking tomorrow off and have a new sense of success. I've easily removed 200 lbs of wet foam and interior from her and have all lightweight things going back in. Cut heads and some exhaust chest work and I should be over 110. I'm inspired.

David

[Fish]

them "trophy bass" are smaller than what I use for bait. Bring it on though, all i need is about a 1/3 of a mile head start in the 1/4 mile and I think I can give you a run for your money.

[trbocharge]

As a good ole boy (a damm Yankee) I have to agree with the raceman........and even though I have had my discussions with the Fly man, I am on his end on this one too..........

I would like to see in person these progressions running these speeds.........say at a radar shootout...............where the gun tells all...............

[Raceman]

Turbo, I had a labelmaker sticker made for the side of my Stalker that says "Heartbreaker". It broke mine at first too (10MPH on the Pachanga) but it's a good tool.

[Ziemer]

This 100 MPH Progression seems very questionable.

My 20' Grand Sport weighs 950 lbs (taken from Allison's website) with I believe an 11ish" pad and it is almost impossible to balance without proper amounts of weight on the passenger side so it seems real difficult to balance and even bigger boat (that supposedly weighs the same) with a 7" pad and a real steep deadrise.

Plus, I agree with Liqui-fly, 30 hp and 200+ pounds doesn't seem to add up to 26 mph. I'm pretty sure I could still manage close to 90 with 5 people in my boat.

[heath brinkley]

My lake is just under 6000 acres. Please do the math and send me enough of your patented " special yankee water slickener " to treat my lake. I'll also have one box of your " yankee dense air " please ship overnight and bill my mastercard. I'll be sendin' you yanks some 150 mph gps pictures soon.;)

[heath brinkley]

I see your in Florida and your signature says vinyl. Do you do vinyl cowl stickers, I'm fixin' to repaint and resticker my cowl. e-mail me if you do [email protected] or call 352 288 8671

[blkmtrfan]

How fast with the 280??

The variable deadrise is great, but I don't see where it would make a difference in a flat water, top speed run. Maybe it helps in the chop.

If I'm not mistaken, Mr Fountain claims his bottoms are variable deadrise.

Anyway, the bottom still looks an allot like a challenger

[airpacker]

Hey Raceman,thouhgt you might like to know that Bob Teague drove a 25 foot eliminator daytona to 144.7 mph on a imco built bravo design. Its fact,not fiction or urban legend and it only took 1350 hp to do it :)
Running over 100 with a bravo is very common place in my boating circle. 1100 hp in that progression would get it there but it would eat drive up pretty quickly.

[espen]

Raceman... sharks already use water slickener....
its called mucus and is coming out of the skin .
dont know if it works a 100mph ...
To pull the bullet of the gear trou the water in 100 mph would use maybe over 225hp of the engine, If you have a boat that is going 80mph with the prop shaft 2.5 inch below it would go faster if the boat had been balanced for 1 1/2 inch over. If the prop had enough aria to keep the slip down. almost all indoor engines have the drives burried, if they have a light alu engine and drives high ....it seems like the drive is not burried from the roster on the video...:-)






tryed to attach a super small video clip but It doesnt work can anybody see it?
Yes it works if you right click and saves the target as:

[Charlie M]

Don't forget to wax the bottom of da' boat. This alone is worth 15 mph........Ihave talked with Jet Skiers and they gave me this insight......those guys know all their is to know about goin' fast.

I'm gonna shut up here as I can remember about a year ago being in the hot seat.

[heath brinkley]

funny you should mention jet skiers, I was sitting on the end of my dock last summer and a vector cruised by, almost immediatly 2 jet skiers stopped close enough to my dock for me to overhear them. "Hey duuuude, that boat has a 150 on it, 150's will only run 70. let's go kick his ass." Almost made me stick the 150 cowling on my boat and show 'em sumpin'. Only problem was it wasn't worth the time and between the two of 'em they probably couldn't scroung' up 50 bucks to race.

[stokernick]

I can see it all now.the 100mph Progressions will converge on the Rondak Romp in June and the Conn River in Oct.and we`ll all be given the gps &stalker radar proof that we all don`t know chit!!!seee ya`ll later!!:cool: :cool: :cool:

[jerry]

For you guys who know joey imprescia, jerry knows he has a 21 superboat with a 300x and jerry knows it will 99 on gps , if there is anyone that wants to put there money where there mouths is lets antie up girls !!!. joes boat is a at least 15 yrs old and its a superboat ( no offence hoser ) and it runs 99 ,
SO IF ANY ONE WANTS TO PUT UP SOME CASH WE WILL GET YOU A RIDE ON THE 99MPH 21 S.B ( wont go 99 with you in it but will go over 95 garranteed !!! ) so jerry wants to see whos got the big ones , gelcoat joe ?? phastboat ?? ChrisXS2003 ? Liqui-Fly??

[wing nut]

Originally posted by jerry
For you guys who know joey imprescia, jerry knows he has a 21 superboat with a 300x and jerry knows it will 99 on gps , if there is anyone that wants to put there money where there mouths is lets antie up girls !!!. joes boat is a at least 15 yrs old and its a superboat ( no offence hoser ) and it runs 99 ,
SO IF ANY ONE WANTS TO PUT UP SOME CASH WE WILL GET YOU A RIDE ON THE 99MPH 21 S.B ( wont go 99 with you in it but will go over 95 garranteed !!! ) so jerry wants to see whos got the big ones , gelcoat joe ?? phastboat ?? ChrisXS2003 ? Liqui-Fly??


hold on here.. i think when RONNIE, PHASTBOAT, ERIK, and I were on the marshes a guy with joey imprescia's 21 superboat came along claiming 99mph on gps.. well lets just say within 5min of this RONNIE gave hime a grade A spanking with his spare stock powerhead. which means ronnie beat him and was only going 95!(at most) now unless im talking about a different boat (could be) that boat DOES NOT GO 99MPH! but it is fast.. maybe high 80's low 90's BUT NOT 99MPH!

o yea.. jerry remember you stoped by for a minute or 2 that day (before the winter) remember?

scott

[GEOO]

Greg,

It's great having a sleeper!!! It help's cool off the Hot Shot's!!!
That 22' must be a blast.
Here's a better Vid of my 18 Donzi. Click on the Picture.
http://www.fastboats.info/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=3153&password=&sort=7&thecat=519

[VELOCITOY]

HEY GEOO...Those were great Donzi clips a while back!!!...I LOVE the sound of the 1st one...That motor is SINGIN'!!!...WICKED KOOL!!!...How does the Arneson drive work on that boat???...Does it have a tendency to "torque over" to one side???...Tabs???...How do you get anybody to ride in it with you???...just kidding...Nice rig!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fish]

Hey George, glad to see your lurking around- especially when I have been bragging about your boat. Hope things are going well.

Jody Staples

[at100plus]

I've heard the Baby Blue Progression did bust 100, but how big of a handful was it to drive????

I suppose the answer to that question is in the pictures at Joey Imprescia's shop of Joey towing the upside down baby blue protruding bow back to shore.

As for Joey's 21 Superboat, I've heard that does just under 100 too, but lots of money has gone into the rigging and re rigging on that boat I'm sure. He made a custom short midsection for it too. What are the chances of seeing Joey participate in one of our get togethers. He's so hot and cold.

After owning a Superboat, I don't think I'd want to go much over 80 in that hull. That was my first and last performance V hull.

There is no substitute for a tunnel a 80+ speeds.

It does seem true though, all the smooth talking 90+ Superboat and Progression owners never seem to make an appearance when they say they will be there.

[Jay R.]

I see alot of people doubting a 24 progression hitting over 100 with a 300 outboard... but the first post said blown 502 stern drive. Now im not a numbers guy but i am in the biz, and i know a stock 502 is kicking some serious ponies, add a blower and your probly well over 500 (numbers guys help me get this right) I don't know how fast this would carry a 24 progression but i think youd be scooting along faster than the 70 MPH its being called at. I also noticed something about the IMCO Drive? is that what it has? if so the thing is set up to the max...

[heath brinkley]

Jay, I never went back to the beginning, but I'm glad you mentioned it. I kept wondering how it shifted from a blown 502 to a outboard. Yes, by the way, a blown 502 would make tons o' power. In fact, I would be upset if it was mine and made less than 600.

[espen]

I think a light blown 502 is in the same hp /weight aria as 2x260hp

[Liqui-Fly]

No show means I win. Too hot means I win. Rough water we can discuss. Jeryy you're still just a relatively anonymous goof. I've really enjoyed the humor and will really enjoy the free money. Shall I come down today or next weekend?

As far as 502's go a procharged Teague top nothcher puts out about an honest 700 hp. If you run that through a major drive like an IMCO Extreme lots of that HP goes south.

David

[PhastBoat]

I got a case of icey cold Coronas that says That SuperBoat wont do 99mph GPS. And i dont want to be on the boat but MY GPS will. Lets do it!!! And while we're there bring some 100mph Progressions with you! If i'm wrong we'll ALL have a good time. If i'm right I will have a hangover the next day.

[at100plus]

I'm with you Sam

And I definitely don't want to be in a 100 mph V-hull (maybe an Allison and I would have to be driving) but that's about it.

[Dave S]

My apple is red. Your orange is green. There's always someone faster with more motor or money. Alex Graham Bell did 80 mph in 1917 +/- with, what they claimed, a 400 hp on a ladder style Hydrofoil. What we have done, in the context of speed achievement, is just called play. Your Progression will beat my FE Hydro. It's too rough for me. The Hydrostream will beat the Progression because it's not rough enough to loosen the hull. Apples and oranges. Hey, Raceman! Yankee thick air is nitrous.:)

[jerry]

your all on ,as soon as he puts the boat in water this year you will see , get to the atm machine , i want cash not beer !!!
p.s at100plus , how many 21 skaters, allison,hydrostreams stvs have blown over and barrel rolled in the past , so you shouldnt point fingers at one boat that flipped and say it cant handle it !!

[jerry]

p.s phast boat you wont have a hangover but you will be a little light in the wallet !! and the 100mph progression does not have the 300x on it so we dont even have to talk about it anymore , and as much as i dont like superboats this one will shut you all up !!!

[blkmtrfan]

If the baby blue progression was the cats meow (pun intended) with the 300x, why was it taken off and a 280 put on. Again, how fast with the 280:confused: What happend when it went over?? I heard he wasn't hurt, but what caused the incident?? Helmet said that guy now has a STV, why not just keep running the progression if it is the best??:confused: :confused:

[THE HOSER]

:D

[blkmtrfan]

I don't want anybody to take my last post the wrong way, I really do like Progressions,;) I think they are extremely cool and would love to own one:cool: But I want to know the real story behind the baby blue one, how it went over 100, why it flipped, why the motor was changed, and why the owner switched to an STV:confused:

To better understand my perspective, I am currently rigging a 22 Activator with a 280, and am really hoping to see the mid 80's, I think 100 would be just a dream (probably a scarry one at that).

Come on all you LI NY guys that have the info, let us know the real story;)

[Scream And Fly]

This thread is interesting in many ways...

First, it is a very good debate, and we can all enjoy that. It was kept friendly too, which is great. Good job, everyone. This is what makes Scream And Fly great.

All boats are unsafe at the hands of an irresponsible driver. Skater, Progression, Superboat – you name it.

I’ve seen MANY Skaters go over in many different ways, just like we have seen accidents involving Allisons, Mirages, STVs, Hydrostreams, and yes – the blue Progression.

I’ve also seen many accidents involving Corvettes – does that mean I wouldn’t want to own one? No way. Does that mean I won’t want a Skater? Never.

We can all agree that any machine is at the mercy of its operator, and the conditions that the operator presents to it. No boat design will make up for ignorance – especially at 100 mph.

In the whole history of Progression, the blue boat is the first to ever go over, but it is far from the first Progression to go over 100 mph. Ironically, it happened when he was racing a 28 Skater in 2-3 foot chop on Memorial Day weekend.

As for how the boat handles 100 mph – I’ve been in many Progressions and fast Superboats, and with the right driver, they are both very safe – about as safe as a sub 23’ 100 mph boat could be.

Joe L’s twin 2.5 Superboat 21 was running about 100. Hoser is running 90’s with his 21 Superboat. Joe Imprescia is running 99 in his 21 Superboat, and the John G ran 101 in his Progression with the 300X. That same boat ran 96 with a 2.5 280. This is not as uncommon as many think.

These are ALL very good performance boats, and they run very well at 100 mph. I know from experience.

Greg

[at100plus]

Good reply Greg.

The thing that gets this thread rollin is two fold:

1. Greg and Jerry's bias in favor of Progression

2. All the talk about how great Progression is, but nobody ever sees these boats at the gatherings doing their thing.

If someone would do some Ronnie/Viper type antics one day with a progression at a Rondak Romp or a Conn. River run, we might all be impressed! :cool:

[GEOO]

Jody, Thanks...

Velocitoy,

I like the 6800 too...might have to move the rev limiter up to 7000, didn't realise how it sounded until My friend took some Video's. The Arneson works great, very little if any torque steer. She's pretty stable for an 18 footer!!! I only use the tabs if there is a strong side wind to level out the boat. Just need to pick your water; things can happen quick at speeds. :eek:

[blkmtrfan]

Come on Greg or Jerry, spill the beans, how fast with the 280????

[Scream And Fly]

96 mph with the 280.

Greg:)

[wing nut]

Originally posted by jerry
For you guys who know joey imprescia, jerry knows he has a 21 superboat with a 300x and jerry knows it will 99 on gps , if there is anyone that wants to put there money where there mouths is lets antie up girls !!!. joes boat is a at least 15 yrs old and its a superboat ( no offence hoser ) and it runs 99 ,
SO IF ANY ONE WANTS TO PUT UP SOME CASH WE WILL GET YOU A RIDE ON THE 99MPH 21 S.B ( wont go 99 with you in it but will go over 95 garranteed !!! ) so jerry wants to see whos got the big ones , gelcoat joe ?? phastboat ?? ChrisXS2003 ? Liqui-Fly??

HEY JERRY! i think you missed my last post saying how ronnie WHOOPED joey imprescia's superboat with his spare powerhead (he was going 94mph tops)
so first off that boat no way goes 99mph. jerry this happend last yr before winter on the marshes. PHASTBOAT, SPEEDFREAK (ERIC) AND I were outthere and saw it! you stoped by for a minute but had to go.

scott

[heath brinkley]

GottaGoFast, Heath says Jerry missed that post, Heath knows Jerry will miss this post as well. Heath says bet none of these boats come out of hiding. Heath hopes he's not the only one who sees the humor here as Heath says Heath don't want to sound like Jerry.:D ;)

[sho305]

When I was a kid, I rigged a window washer motor to spray the back tire in my car...it would smoke just great then:D Not wanting to advocate polluting open water though; but there could be some safe things you could try. Problem is the wind gets to blowing at 90mph.

[wing nut]

Originally posted by heath brinkley
GottaGoFast, Heath says Jerry missed that post, Heath knows Jerry will miss this post as well. Heath says bet none of these boats come out of hiding. Heath hopes he's not the only one who sees the humor here as Heath says Heath don't want to sound like Jerry.:D ;)

scott get it:rolleyes:

scott

[blkmtrfan]

96 w/ a 280 is still very impressive, was it a stock 280? What prop @RPM, thanks for the info

[Scream And Fly]

All stock, with an ET, but I'm not sure about RPM, etc...

Greg

[jerry]

gotogofast , i would love to hear it from ronnie that he beat joey at 94 mph , and as for the speed of the boat you will see my feathery little friend !!!
oh yea Liqui-Fly, the boat has a on it a 28 trophy and spins 7000 so you guys can figure it out
p.s its on the rev limiter at 7000 with the 28 wait till the 30 ET gets put on .....................LOOK OUT GIRLS, YOUR POCKETS WILL BE EMPTY , AND JERRY WILL BE MAKING A BIG DEPOSIT !!

[wing nut]

Originally posted by jerry
gotogofast , i would love to hear it from ronnie that he beat joey at 94 mph , and as for the speed of the boat you will see my feathery little friend !!!
oh yea Liqui-Fly, the boat has a on it a 28 trophy and spins 7000 so you guys can figure it out
p.s its on the rev limiter at 7000 with the 28 wait till the 30 ET gets put on .....................LOOK OUT GIRLS, YOUR POCKETS WILL BE EMPTY , AND JERRY WILL BE MAKING A BIG DEPOSIT !!

you can ask PHASTBOAT, and ERIC (SPEEDFREAK) hey were on the marsh and watched the whooopin take place! the guy was braggin about 99mph and ronnie went out and whooped him.. then he said "i have the wrong prop" yea.. excuses excuses..

scott

[PhastBoat]

I bet that JerrY wont show, Joey wont show, no 100mph Progressions will show. P.S. I did watch Ronnie beat what i was told to be Joey's boat, but it wasnt Joey driving it. But it wasnt even close, so who knows. I just think that maybe just maybe one day when the water was right, the wind was behind, the air was crisp, it was his birthday, he got laid the night before, and all the stars were in perfect alignment, he may have seen 99mph. But I am will to pay to here all the excuses why on the day we all show up that it wont run 99mph.

[PhastBoat]

Here a capture of the video Ronnie and his brother were filming that day. For thoughs that dont know this is Joey's Superboat.

[wing nut]

^^^THATS THE BOAT!! phastboat dont we have it on video ronnie WHOOPIN that boat? lol! if it is i can put it on the comp. for all the NON-believers.

scott

[stvhelm]

we should have speed runs at a certain time and day every week. last year alot of people were out between 9-10am on sundays in the flats near tanner. someone should bring a gun and a camera and we can have a blast. and at the same time end all the bullchit talk. are we game?

[at100plus]

:D

[PhastBoat]

Please do! any do us all a favor and shoot JerrY

[Jay R.]

I am starting to really like this thread. I wonder if i go up from my 225 to a 300X on my 20ft Checkmate, I think i could break 100MPH on GPS. I bet i could whoop jerry, joey, liqui-fly, phast boat.... and anyone else with a Regression or a Stuperboat!!!! I bet i could!!!

(I had to get in on this.... It's just looks like to much fun to miss!!.......)

[wing nut]

STV, i think the last time my dad went out there with ronnie they were shooting a shotgun at a broken down boat (boats been there for a # of years)LOL


but im definitly down for that, set a time and we'll have speed runs. bring your boat, the best prop you got, gas, and leave all your excuses at home!

scott

[sho305]

This is a great thread!:)

Jay, just drop a V8 on there and see what it does...:D

[Jay R.]

YEAH!! V-8!!! no better a rotary!!!

[Scream And Fly]

Helmut,

I'm game for that... Let's arrange it, but with a lot of notice so we have a good crowd. I see lots of footage here for the DVD. I'll get the radar gun as well.

Greg

[sho305]

It would look great....and what is up with the headrests? Those seats look cool, I need some in my Mate...:cool: Well, you could send some cash to Monty or someone...:eek:

[Jay R.]

those seats get a lot of coments, adjustable head rests, map pockets..... I paid $25 a pop for them at a discount marine place!
as for monty I've heard stories from people who worked near his old shop in lauderdale... I'm not into slander though so i won't go into detail causei wasn't there....

Seriously i wish i could witness this big boat romp... wheres it gonna be held at!!!

[sho305]

$25! You stole them!

I thought all the cool boat meet stuff was in FL??? Not NY. Sounds like a great place to be for sure.

[RONNIE]

How do I get dragged into all this crap????!!!! Ohh yeah Jerry on more than one occasion!! First time with my 2.5 and this past time with a 1979 2.4 powerhead!!!

[jerry]

you beat him at 94 ?????

[jerry]

would you like to jump in here????????

This is a quote from one of the non believers :

There are a lot of guys from the southern part of New Yawk State that have very very very fast boats but they tend to be the guys that never show on game day. Especially the Superboat and Progression crowd. I'd eat my words if someone with a 22 of either put up numbers higher than 85 with a 300. As far as the baby blue V running over 100...now that's funny. What does it have 1200 hp?

Davidre ???

[Liqui-Fly]

How do you get in on this collecting thing? We ain't talking about your tank. We talking about alleged 100 mph Progressions. If it is done I'd be happy to pay the boat owner. What are you the Don King of **** talking?

David

[trbocharge]

Like Raceman said a few pages back.........bring on the heartbreaker...........the ole gun..........that will bring tears to those who talk with forked tounge..........

Technically, give me rpm and prop type and pitch and it will solidify the alleged speeds of these 100mph big v bottoms......but a true 100 mph in single progression or superboat, I will believe it when I see it.............

How bout a radar confirming challenge???

Raceman, too funny........we call a press that we use to test welders the "Heartbreaker" written in big letters on the side of the press..........we test their weld coupons in front of them......you should see their faces when the weld snaps...............tears'a flowing..........no job for You!!........Now, the heartbreaker will show what is what ...the only problem is that we cant see the drivers tears when their 100mph boat is not running the numbers........and all we will see is the ole shame turn into the sunset..........

[jerry]

liquid fly you are the queen , of crap , and like i said before the 100mph progression does not have the 300x on it anymore so the discussion about that boat is over , but the 21 superboat does have a 300x and it will go well over 95 . so put up or shut up !! yea im the mouth piece for the guy with the boat . problem with that ?? and we all know whats gonna happen when this boat goes as fast as i said , all you dh's are gonna well jerry it aint your boat ....jerry never said it was !!!!!
trbocharge , gps aint good enough for you ?

[wing nut]

Originally posted by jerry
liquid fly you are the queen , of crap , and like i said before the 100mph progression does not have the 300x on it anymore so the discussion about that boat is over , but the 21 superboat does have a 300x and it will go well over 95 . so put up or shut up !! yea im the mouth piece for the guy with the boat . problem with that ?? and we all know whats gonna happen when this boat goes as fast as i said , all you dh's are gonna well jerry it aint your boat ....jerry never said it was !!!!!
trbocharge , gps aint good enough for you ?


jerry that SUPER BOAT DOESNT GO OVER 94!!! ronnie DESTROYED THAT BOAT going [SIZE=3]94mph!!
unless they've made HUGE changes to the power on that boat it will not go 95mph! so stop saying it will!

scott

[Scream And Fly]

This thread is insane.

Greg

[PhastBoat]

JerrY, Interesting how NOW the boat only goes over 95 mph. Well there is a difference between 95 and 99 and i know math and 4 mph more @ the speed is ALOT for any boat. So which is it 96 or 99. Buy the way, I was trying to keep this civil and nice but, your being such an asshole about this that I may have to offer a side bet. I bet you, or your lover boy wont even show.

[Scream And Fly]

Hey, what's a few miles per hour among friends?

Come on, let's lighten up, please?;)

Greg

[PhastBoat]

Edited the post.

[Scream And Fly]

Thanks :) :) :)

Greg

[PIT BULL]

I didnt read that much of it. I just skimmed through a couple of pages, I feel like IM at the bar. Lets just whip em out on the table and see whoos is longer.
OOH OOH I hit 100.0001 one very special day when the wind was blowing just right.
OOH, OOH my boat wasnt running right when you past me. OOH, OOH Billy Bobs 2 foot tunnel has a extra big block that runs 200 mph in 10 foot seas.
I guess this means boat season is upon us.
Its a known fact that NY and Florida has the fastest boats on any water that actually has a wave in it. Most out of state guys think we make up numbers. Its the extra salt in the water. Thats why I have a salt shaker on my stern.
I never saw a 100 mph 22 V hull but I cant believe all these guys are lying about it.

Try running 76.5 on gps consistantly @ 7500 rpm with a 22" pitch prop, 1:87s in a 3200 lb boat. Do the math .085. Slip is where its at. Its not what yoiu have its what you do with it. Doing 100 isnt **** if the boat is capable of 110 or 120. He who squeezes the most out of his vessel is the speed champ.

I think the board should have a slip factor face off. This way even Gregs dingy has a chance at the title.

Once again boys and girls NUMBERS REQUIRE NO SKILL. A monkey can push a throttle down.

[Tom D.]

WOW!!!! This is getting good!!

Tom

[stokernick]

so it`s on for the Rondack Romp and the Conn River run, we`ll have cool temps in Oct and warm temps in June LIARS BEWARE!!PUT UP or SHUT UP!!!:D :D :D

[PhastBoat]

Are you coming out to play tomorrow or you going to church?

[PIT BULL]

My boat is still at the canvass shop, Going to clean the shop and a dog I had got hit by a car which IM picking up from the vet, I gotta build him a wheel chair.

[trbocharge]

Jerry,

My experiences with GPS is somewhat faded, they seem to be a bit happy at times........I still think that the best way to measure speed is with the gun .....preferrably in the boat shooting at a bridge or the like......just makes sense that shooting at a bridge at less than a 1/2 mile away on a straight line is more accurate than reading from satellites that are miles above at various positions....

Take a look at the post "speedo pickup HST"....there is good technical disucssions on GPS from rookieflyer......

My 2 cents..

[Scream And Fly]

RE: The Blue Progression - 100+ MPH was verified many times with the GPS. Many people know this boat. That same boat ran 96 on GPS with a 2.5 280 - again, many times. I personally know this boat and I have witnessed its top speed many times. Eastcoast Marine rigged the boat - they can verify it as well. Actually, the day that boat blew over he was racing a 28 Skater on Memorial Day. I know there's a photo of this happening, but I have yet to see it.

RE: Joey Imprescia's Superboat: Not as fast as the blue Progression with the 300X, but I do know it ran 99 mph on GPS one day when I was out there. Not sure about other times though, so I can't add anymore to that. I know it runs consistent mid to high 90's though with the 300X.

RE: Ronnie's Viper: Very fast, and I seriously doubt any of the above mentioned boats can match it on a calm day with his 2.5 powerhead. I was out there the day Ronnie had his 2.4 on his Viper, and he was running really fast that day. He did beat Joey's Superboat that day, but with someone else driving it.

Just telling it like it is. Boats are not like cars - many more variables affect their performance. I believe that overall, Joey's Superboat runs consistent high 90s with his 300X. Ronnie was running mid 90s with his 2.4, and I *think* he runs around 102-103 with the 2.5.

I guess a radar gun is what we need to end this thread once and for all. LOL!

Greg

[PhastBoat]

Getting a radar gun is not the problem, getting these "so called" 99+mph boats to show up IS the problem. I will gladly show up with my video camera, and my digital camera, and my heavy wallet, and if need be I'll even get a radar gun.

[jerry]

phastboat , get the gun and the fat wallet !! weather is getting warm , his boat will be out soon

[RONNIE]

Greg, Where were you I was out all day the day in question and never saw you. With me spare 2.4 powerhead no the fastest was 94. Thats it. two years ago i raced with Joey and the twin 21 super boat and wayne and a bunch of others on a sunday morning and gave them all a whipin. My boat was not as fast then as it is now with the 2.5. Still had the first homemade leg on it then I'd say it was about 98-97 then and they still couldn't hang( no gps at that time to cheap). Now the top speed will be higher for my viper the 2.5 is getting a full face lift hopein fo allot more we will see.
I'll run in your radar run!!

[stvhelm]

Ronnie, hows the boat coming along? are you ready for water yet? mike from jersey said he's coming out here wednesday. if the weathers nice I'll probably drop my boat in to continue break-in on the motor. let me know if you youre coming down. if the boats not ready, I got extra seats in mine,but it wont be going very fast though.

[RONNIE]

I got some stuff to fix I'll call you if I get it going

[Capt.Insane-o]

Take it to 'em! I think we are going to have some fun running at the rumble. Can't wait to pair off Viper to Viper.

The rest of you all sound like a bunch of girls arguing over make up. crimey!:D MWA MWA MWAWAMAAWA:D

[RONNIE]

You bing you viper and I'll bring mine I wasn't going too bring it but I will just for you. Hope your ready!!! Got some surprises for Yall!!!

[Jay R.]

Ronnie that is an awesome pic you have as an avtar, can i get a full size pic? I like collecting the awesome pics i see on S&F!!

[Capt.Insane-o]

Lmao. :D

[Dutch]

Guess I have to jump in here and add my two cents for
what it is worth. I believe Greg 100% that the Progression
can run 100. There are alot of Velocities down here where
I run. The fastest is an original Steve Stepp, before Regal
started making them. Power for power, it was always much
faster than other boats. The Pachanga doesnt even compare
with the top speed of the Velocity. This one is about a 1987
or so, and the guy just added more power last summer. He
has a 468 with big heads, tube exhaust, bravo drive, inter-
cooler, Mega blower, and Nickerson cam and carbs. He is
still dialing in and gets anywhere from 96-103 everytime.
He is adding hydraulic steering and getting a bigger prop.
It is pegging the 6000 rpm tach. This is only at about five
pounds of boost. These i/o's that are set up correctly do
accelerate very fast. They are quick without a doubt.
The key to making the Bravo drive last is the same as
anything else, COMMON SENSE. If you put ten people in
your boat, five coolers of beer, and try to pull out like a drag
boat, thats when they let go. If you give it hell from forty
to fifty mph, they seem to last surprisingly long. Another
local guy here has a 1000hp Talon with a Bravo. He hasnt
had any problems with the drive since he went to the Teague
internals. He does replace the prob shaft on occasion as
they seem to get a little of a twist in them. Guess his prop
has some good bite.
Helmut and Ronnie usually tow down here once a year
to go boating, so Phastboat, Liquifly, or anyone else is
more than welcome to come along. My friend will gladly
take anyone a ride, and bring your own gps. Pitbull, you
too, you have to like hearing about one of your own going
over the 100 mark.
Matt

[Hack02]

As far as the boats running the numbers with IO power, I don't know. Not enought experience. But the boats with OB, I'm skeptical of some of the numbers. This is based on past experience with pad bottoms versus deep vee's. I just don't see a deep vee running close to 100 with a 280. Thats hard to do with a pad.

[PIT BULL]

I would like to see that 100 mph ? outboard Velocity run?

[THE HOSER]

got to love all the bull s*it

[Liqui-Fly]

If they'll do I'll really be hot for buying a Progression. I'll stop pouring dollars into the Fly just for the hell of it and step up. I'd love to see one of these run 100 because then maybe I'll finally have another boat that I'll desire. Right now nothing out there suits me more than what I've got.

David

[heath brinkley]

what do you have? looks like a Vegas from the picture, kinda small pic. can't tell fer shur. I'm with you though, I have a Vegas for a family boat and would certainly be intereted in a progression if they could run that fast. I don't see it happnin tho'

[Scream And Fly]

Ronnie,

I was out that night next to the Amity cut - I remember I took pictures but I ended up losing them by accident. I was in Wayne's boat that day.

Helmut,

I think Mike is coming out on Thursday - I just got an E from him. I might start my boat today, but you know me - I never use it (insert Ronnie-inspired joke here).

Fly,

You have an awesome boat. Someone around here has the same hull as yours and I think it's really cool. How is the work coming on it?

Greg

[Scream And Fly]

Jay R,

I have the full sized version of that pic - I took it at the CT River Run. If you want, I'll mail it to you. Quaility is not great, since it was very cloudy that day.

Greg

[Liqui-Fly]

Purchasing and design is finished as well as most of my extracurricular winter project. It hasn't really been coming along at all but expect major progress through the month of May. I'd reallty like to see a semi solid 60 degrees a day before I start spreading the epoxy.

David

[sho305]

Dutch, I know a guy who had a 36 Fountain. Had twin 454 525hp Mercs, and they worked them up with Mega blowers and headers. Don't remember about the internals, but they ran over 680 hp on the dyno green while I looked at them. After break in, they put bigger pulleys on. He could run consistant 91mph on liquid filled gaffrig speedo in that big hog. Kinda debatable if the Fountain is a vee really. Had to put springs on the dipsticks to keep them in:)

[blkmtrfan]

The race isn't over yet is it:confused: ;)

[Liqui-Fly]

That looks pretty good!!

David

[THE HOSER]

THERE IS NOTHING LIKE HANGING AND BANGING

[espen]

Hi !
Thanks for those beautiful picures of those nice boats !
Reminds me of this picture of the last boat I had thats Eriks now.
Top speed are 84.121905 miles pr hour gps.(+++??? found this great place to convert from knots:-)http://digitaldutch.com/unitconverter/
I stopped looking for more speed in this boat ,driver only and in the start of the season a little wind and its a handfull .....
Boat and engine are about 87mod.Weight of boat are about :-)1071.691552 punds troy without engine.

21 foot deep v no pad....225 Yamaha ported reedhousing and can in midsection is removed. 4 blade mach chopper ,bobs nosecone ,alu dampers ,bobs lift.
Erik tested with big wooden strikes and are now making pad and water trim tank in the bou for rough waters. Anyone know of a MAD inlet for this engine?
If it isnt blue its nothing for you :D

[Liqui-Fly]

Espen you can round the decimals off on the top speed via the certified Long Island method. I think it comes out to around 92 or 93 hehe:D :D :D

Aww come on boys I don't mean all of you.;)

David

[THE HOSER]

LIKE THIS???

[Liqui-Fly]

You know you really shouldn't tow that fast. It's very hard on trailer bearings.

David

[THE HOSER]

JERRY AND I THROW IT OUT FROM A AIRPLANE

[Liqui-Fly]

You really should be careful about associating yourself with Jerry hehe the Top speed broker.

David

[Jay R.]

Greg,
Pleeeease send that pic.... I love seeing Hydrostream V boats flying (viper, vector, V-king)!!

Liqui-Fli
Ya never answered Heaths question, What is that bad boy?
(unfortunatly no one can tell you what the fly is, you have to see it for yourself.)

Blkmtrfan,
Is that thing running aired out like that or is it porpasing and bouncing a little, that thing is sportin mad air!!

[blkmtrfan]

The photo is not mine, actually scream and fly greg posted it on another thread, and it really does look cool, I thought it was appopriate considering the material of this thread and I figured it would get this thread going again (which it seems to have done). My guess is at that moment it is a little over trimed, maybe a small poruse, but it does look planted on the v-pad:D

[Jay R.]

Now that this has grabed the attention of the 21, 22ft Deep VEE guys I gotta ask a question. I know this is off the subject (again) but are you guys running massive setback and nose cones or massive set back and no cones. I see a ton of setback in these pics. just wondering what case seems to work the best on these big heavy boats?

[espen]

Must have been looking strange sitting in the boat at 96 on the trailer...reving the engine on the hose taking pictures :D :D :D
If you are able to take pictures at 96...I would not do that in the Motion .....(thats because it dont run that fast :confused: )

[jerry]

now that hoser post a pic of his speed on a gps speedo , will you guys believe that is going that fast ?

[Liqui-Fly]

Jay R my boat is a 20 foot Stratos VT Ski. It's basically a Laser LTV.

David

[Liqui-Fly]

My GPS Speedo

[Charlie M]

FLY, you already posted that picture last year just before the ROMP. Wasn't that your brother-in-laws boat?

[Liqui-Fly]

Don't you see the flake? That's clearly my boat. This is my brother-in-laws boat. I think he's seeling it too. He wants something bigger.

[PhastBoat]

His flames are on backwards:D

[THE HOSER]

it must be a up state ny thing.:p

[Liqui-Fly]

If you guys didn't boating in that caustic rust factory I really might be my stuff down and whoop up on some 90 mph boats with my slo ass rig. But look...how could I?

[PhastBoat]

Why dont you get your butt to the Rondak Romp this year, Its a great time, you can bring the family, and you can shut us up and show us your boat going 96mph;)

[Liqui-Fly]

Seems like it would be a business trip for him to me. I know I've been showing off and will continue to show off the fine products he has with great savings for S&F'ers.

Blaahahaha. Sam ther effect would be greater if you included a pic of yours.

David:D

[THE HOSER]

it only runs 96 when you have a broken gps

[at100plus]

C'mon up to Rondak, It's a great great time, bring the family. Couldn't be more fun. Love the place. I will be there every year.

[Liqui-Fly]

Ah ha. Hmmm what are the odds of running at 96.00 on a two decimal place gps? This is almost like "the bloody glove".

David

[blkmtrfan]

Come on fly, don't be afraid of a little salt, it will clean up and flush out. Go down there and kick their butts!!!;)

[Liqui-Fly]

I've seen what it can do. It's now pretty my friend it is not pretty at all. Can I wrap mine in a plastic bag?

David

[blkmtrfan]

I'm getting real close to completing the rigging (O.K. i have rewired, replumbed, repolished, and powdercoated everything that would unbolt) with my new 280. I will mostly run in the fresh but I'm going to run the damn thing in the salt if it kills me and will detail the whole thing every time do. So maybe I am nuts;) :D :eek:

[Liqui-Fly]

There are guys that will tell you it will clean right up and then there are the honest guys that tell you one time in it and it's over. You should see the envy in their eyes when I take her top off:eek:

David

[blkmtrfan]

Your motor does look pretty, but I am still going to do it, I will give you an update at the end of the season, and I promise mine will still be pretty if it takes me a week to make it that way (won't be a virgin anymore though:eek: ), Talk to you later, Scott

[PhastBoat]

DO IT IN THE SALT!!!;)

Or use
http://www.saltawayproducts.com/

[sho305]

Sounds like the makings of a new product to me, a boat condum for saltwater protection:D

[Liqui-Fly]

They come standeard with the new Honda four stokes...they figure anybody that would buy one of those would eventually try an stick it where the sun don't shine:D

[sho305]

Hmmm, that yuckey brown water? :eek:

[blkmtrfan]

Could always add a heat exchanger to keep the salt out of the powerhead and then you could add cabin heat:eek: :D :eek:

[THE HOSER]

YOU SEE THATS WHY WE ON LONG ISLAND ARE SO FAST
(ITS THE SALT):D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[sho305]

All the great stuff here on S&F and I have to tell you I never have seen that on an OB.

[VELOCITOY]

You guyz keep talking about the RONDAK ROMP....WHERE (exactly) & WHEN (exactly) is it???...I may want to come & watch the show!!!...Sounds like a good time...Do I need a 100mph boat, or can I bring my 70-ish RALLY-SPORT???...Some of those JOHNRUDES may need a tow in :D ...lol/jk...

[stokernick]

Velocitoy,we`ve been telling you about the Romp and the Conn.River get togetherand promise you`ll have a great time.not everyone goes 96mph,but we can program your gps to say whatever you want!!!seriously it`s a good time and you won`t be disappointed,I GUARANTEE!!!!:D :D :D

[PhastBoat]

Heres a link for all the info on the ROMP

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27890

[VELOCITOY]

HEY THANX...If the red star marks the spot...It's not all that far from home (Boston-ish)...It looks & sounds PISSA...BTW...I've got a 12' STARCRAFT that goes 97mph w/an 18 EVINRUDE...lol...

[Jay R.]

Ligi-fly,
that thng is awesome, is that like an HST hull? looks kinda like some sorta tunnel thing going on there!

[Charlie M]

Can someone please give me a summary of what is happening here.............15 pages a dial-up modem and can't quite figure out what started all this:D

Haved we come to some sort of conclusion other that flames on fast boats go backwards, but the boat has to be upside down with the motor upright. Actually thought that was funny, kinda reminded me of when one of my motors blew up and cought fire.

[Liqui-Fly]

The Romp is from June 19th until the 23rd. Check out the link Phastboat posted. Would love to have you. My brother just purchased a 22 Stepp Velocity. Speed is definitley not a factor; plus the lake gets rough sometimes so you'll hold your own anyway.

JatR the rig is a stretched Laser LTV aand it is a tunnel. Summerford did a tour at Stratos and they came up with this thing. Only I think they laid it up about 700 lbs heavier than he wanted. That's where I come in;)

David

[hydrostreamvulture1]

no other boats other then the Stratos VT interest u in the market today?? STV, Mirage, skater, hydrostreams??

[Liqui-Fly]

Can you believe it? I like tunnels and I like glitterflake. STV's Mirages and the like are way too small for the lake on run on and I really don't like pickelfork boats. I sort of like the Triad V-21's but I can't spend 30 or so grand on one. Must be because I'm old school. Oh yeagh I like some room to. I don't like rubbing elbows with passengers.

David

[jerry]

If its nice on sunday morning there will be, not just one of the 21s out there but 2, yes count them 2 2 -21's that will run well over 95 mph on gps. So for you guys who dont believe it can happen , BRING CASH FOR JERRY !!!!


P.S YES IF ITS NICE OUT (( NO RAIN )) AND NO 40 MPH WINDS .

9 AM TANNER PARK

[PhastBoat]

I'll be there, but it's 99+ not 95. So dont you go spending all my money saturday night @ Pal Joey's.

[jerry]

for the first time you are right , 99 it is . if the other 21 goes faster than 99 how much more money do i get ?

[Liqui-Fly]

What happened to 100? Big difference between the two.

David

[THE HOSER]

boys
let me tell you there's a new boy in town
what do you think about 101.6 ???????
in a 21` V

[Liqui-Fly]

Hosman your GPS isn't broken again is it?

David

[PhastBoat]

Lets see it Sunday!!

[PhastBoat]

http://www.toilette-humor.com/cartoon.html

[stvhelm]

hoser did you run that? thats pretty good

[THE HOSER]

IT WASNT ME
ITS THESE OTHER GUY HERPPY
IN A LOOK A LIKE 900LB 21`
MINE IS ONLY 92.3

[blkmtrfan]

Just make sure all of these speed runs are captured and posted here. We all will be looking Monday morning:D

[THE HOSER]

THIS JUST CAME OVER MY COUNTER THOUGHT
YOU GUYS WILL GET A KICK OUT OF THIS

[VELOCITOY]

JEEEZ...I hope this guy washes his hands.....OFTEN!!!!...Nuthin worse than a POOPY SMELLIN helium balloon!!!...

[Dave S]

101.6 APBA rules ?:confused:

[sho305]

Hope someone brings a video clip-grabber to this deal:cool:

[heath brinkley]

Almost seems kinda sad to be puttin' an end to this thread after 16 pages;)

[blkmtrfan]

Do you really think that this will be the end:confused: All the BS still needs to be proven, without some lame excuses: photos, video, witnesses, etc. We sould easily get several more pages:D I hope:D :D

[sho305]

I can't wait to see.....
:D :D

All kidding aside, you guys have a fun and safe time there.

[PhastBoat]

I'll be there with my GPS- Video Cam- and Digital cam.
and for Jerry I'll have my big heavy wallet.

[jerry]

thats my boy !!! and when its all over jerry will do the pee pee dance ... HAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PhastBoat]

Sunday: Partly cloudy. High around 60F. Winds ENE at 10 to 15 mph.

JerrY is that too much wind for the girls. Let me know, thats early for a Sunday for me.

[PIT BULL]

Even if one of those 21s do a hundred they will still be a feather weight good for nothing but flat water, high dollar "hey evevrybody look what I pissed away fourty or fifty grand on boat". At that point I think I would go Ally, Stv, or Hydro stream. For about another ten or fifteen grand you could pick up a used 28 Skater and do 115 120 in real water.

[stokernick]

hey,tell us how you really feel,don`t hold back!!!:p :p :p

[Capt.Insane-o]

Originally posted by jerry
thats my boy !!! and when its all over jerry will do the pee pee dance ... HAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not to sure I want to see that! LOL!

[Dave S]

Set up a 5 mile coarse and run 5 laps. :D

[PIT BULL]

Fire isl inlet to Jones inlet. On the outside.

[cm21]

I think you missed the point of this thread. It's not who can give their back a beating in big water in a 22' boat!

It's whether or not a 21' or 22' V bottom can do 100 MPH.

Also, a 21' Superboat can handle much bigger water than an STV, Ally or Hydrostream. Maybe not 100 MPH in a chop but at least you can go out any day any wind speed in the Great South Bay and still go pretty damn fast.

Anyone still plan to be at Tanner Park tomorrow at 9 AM? The weather is looking decent.

-Scott