Black 21 extreme with twins

[Esox4130]

Trying to figure out who owns the 21 extreme with short shaft 280s. Looking for som info on puttting 15 inch mids on my 21 skater with twins

[RUM RUNNER 305]

The boat blew over..

[Trimmed Out15]

Is the guy or people ok?

[Esox4130]

No kidding. That's not good.

[Chaz]

There were two of them down here for a while . Not sure of the mfg , but both were black and the rigging and interior was flawless .
One of them had 225 Pro Max's . Not sure of who built it , maybe Willie in Miami , who sold it to Ryan . After that , no clue who got it . I remember it having a pretty good size tunnel extension . Hard to see it blowing over , anything is possible .
The other one is / was Big wave Dave's . It did have 280's , I haven't seen him in a while . This is from the Suwannee a few years ago ...... :thumbsup:

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[Esox4130]

That black one sure looks good! Would hate keeping it clean though haha

[speedinstream]

I seen the 280 boat at Suwannee run if u look up Ill handling there will be a picture of that boat I was not impressed at all

[Esox4130]

I seen the 280 boat at Suwannee run if u look up Ill handling there will be a picture of that boat I was not impressed at all
Must not like going fast lol. What was not impressive about it?

[Chaz]

Stream is tellin the truth . It was like his first or second time out with the boat and it was far from optimum . I spoke to him a month or two later and best I remember , he said motor height and props made a night and day difference .
That weekend though , with the motors high and 3 blade cleavers , it was getting so much transom lift it would start bucking the props out of the water .

[Chaz]

The boat blew over..

Justin ,

Most importantly , were they alright ???????

[Esox4130]

No kidding yeah set ups a lot on the 21 with twins. If there not set up right the are bad I here.

[AZMIDLYF]

Couple pics of the boat:

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[AZMIDLYF]

Two members on here that might know some things on these set ups: Buzzin' Dozen, and Rader.

[tux974]

:iagree: with ^ and that proper setup with seat time all being key factors on any boat!
You may also want to add Esox's dad, RacerX (Jeff C), he also owned his boat.
Just do not remember any 21 Skaters were setup with SS 15" motors hence Steve's ?.
Heck the acceleration and speed on these boats with 15 or 20" motors make them a weapon....:eek::D

[speedinstream]

Stream is tellin the truth . It was like his first or second time out with the boat and it was far from optimum . I spoke to him a month or two later and best I remember , he said motor height and props made a night and day difference .
That weekend though , with the motors high and 3 blade cleavers , it was getting so much transom lift it would start bucking the props out of the water .
Every turn he went threw the boat would dam near roll over he about rolled it at the sand bar at like 40 mph

[mrcrsr]

the tail weight must make the hop pretty bad during cruise, I remember dave wanting to get rid of the boat because of it, let alone trying to run one offshore

[Esox4130]

Yes i talked to buzzin. My dad did own mine years ago and it was a missle and i was very impressed how it ate up boat chop. I dont remeber it having porpoise as it is set up well and also has a k plane which takes porpoise out when water is flat. Like my dad said just takes seat time and the boats great. Im just trying to figure out if 15 inch mids will swamp the motors coming off plane. It will need 5 inches of setback for the 15's to clear the transom and some bigger wedges. The motors now are bolted straight to the boat. The 15 inch mids will help improve balance getting the motors lower and the look factor haha. Just dont know hoe setback will effect the boat.

[speedinstream]

Hoe setback that must be girls in the back seat lol

[Esox4130]

Hoe setback that must be girls in the back seat lol
Lol

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

Me thinks at least 4 wet spark plugs with 15's.....:leaving:

[Chaz]

Me thinks at least 4 wet spark plugs with 15's.....:leaving:

Buzzin ... is that with , or , without a full rack of ... ahh ... rear seat occupants ... ;)

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

The more backseat "rack" the more wet plugs!😝

[MCRacing]

I glad I'm still alive to laugh about that sick fast POS. One will need a lot of seat time to tame it, Swannee was a trip, like riding a bull never knew what it would throw at you.

[MCRacing]

I do recall my son figuring it out on day 2 and smoking everything we came across. It was a lot more fun to look at than drive or ride in for that matter. It bucked so much we broke the K planes numerous times.

[2Fast2Pass]

I remember one way back at one of the Roland/Rim Ditch get togethers that had a pair of Drags on it. Ran 120's I think.

[Mr. Demeanor]

Brad and Regans twin 21. Bought by Willie and painted black. I asked them to chime in.
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[scawd the dog]

I do recall my son figuring it out on day 2 and smoking everything we came across. It was a lot more fun to look at than drive or ride in for that matter. It bucked so much we broke the K planes numerous times.

Dave I remember you blowing by me like a storm trooper in the keys:)

[Chummy]

Brad and Regans twin 21. Bought by Willie and painted black. I asked them to chime in.
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Glad someone painted that haha

[Spectre Powerboats]

Essox, yours ran 136 mph on 2 radar guns at Alum Creek Shootout in 2002 or 2003 with some left in it. That whole day I continually ran into into water psi problems and was eating impellers with a pair of Alex HLedin 390+ hp F1 motors on it. I put 3 sets of water pumps in it that day at the shootout and every time it went past 125, I was blowing the impellers out of it. I would leave the 20" on it, make some power and don't mess with the set up as long as it is the same as when I sold it to your dad. I have owned 3 of the original 21's with twins and this one rode and ran the best. Really had no bad habits. That boat ran 118 all day long with stock 260's. Enjoy it and be safe. :D

[Michael J Giesler]

Todd how fast was Dave's skater that he bought from you

[mikesufka]

Essox, yours ran 136 mph on 2 radar guns at Alum Creek Shootout in 2002 or 2003 with some left in it. That whole day I continually ran into into water psi problems and was eating impellers with a pair of Alex HLedin 390+ hp F1 motors on it. I put 3 sets of water pumps in it that day at the shootout and every time it went past 125, I was blowing the impellers out of it. I would leave the 20" on it, make some power and don't mess with the set up as long as it is the same as when I sold it to your dad. I have owned 3 of the original 21's with twins and this one rode and ran the best. Really had no bad habits. That boat ran 118 all day long with stock 260's. Enjoy it and be safe. :D

There ya go Steve. Gawd that's fast. Be careful.

MDS

[Spectre Powerboats]

Todd how fast was Dave's skater that he bought from you

It had 2.4's on it when we had it. It would run 112-114 range most of the time. That boat had through hull pick ups, so a couple of times we ran them really high and saw a few more mph, but it wanted to hook with the motors real high. That boat had the batteries in the back and they needed to be up front like Essox boat was or still is.

[Chummy]

That 21 of Daves last I heard was re-rigged and painted then crashed up on Lake Murray

[Esox4130]

Man that's rolling. Yeah todd it's set up the same now. Getting interior done and freshen up on the 260s. Maybe I should of kept that drag I had and found another to put on haha. I think next year I might do 280s with drag electronics. I'll be happy with 120s With acceleration I think lol

[Michael J Giesler]

That 21 of Daves last I heard was re-rigged and painted then crashed up on Lake Murray

I saw pictures of the guy painted it like monster green he crashed it how sad warlock dave had that boat rolling when he had it

[Spectre Powerboats]

Man that's rolling. Yeah todd it's set up the same now. Getting interior done and freshen up on the 260s. Maybe I should of kept that drag I had and found another to put on haha. I think next year I might do 280s with drag electronics. I'll be happy with 120s With acceleration I think lol

If money was not the issue. I would do 280's from Marty at Diamond modded to 335 hp on it. I have had several sets of Marty's 335 motors and love them. To have the alternator on the 280's and Marty's punch, is an awesome combination.

[Spectre Powerboats]

I saw pictures of the guy painted it like monster green he crashed it how sad warlock dave had that boat rolling when he had it

Yea, I heard it got crashed. Made me sick. Dave had it running good. The other 21' I had with twins was wrecked to. It was a red and white one, not sure if it was totaled or not. Essox's was not wrecked when I had it and I have never heard of it being crashed.

[z520]

The black boat this post was started about is here in Texas, it has 2 brand new Diamond built 280`s with about 5hr of run time on them. This boat is for sale if anyone is interested.

[WARLOCK]

I never bought a boat from Todd. I bought it from looser and took it to Todd to see what was wrong with it. The best it ran was 113 but it was a nightmare. Unbelievable porpoise! NO tunnel tab and the boat was repaired. The second one I bought from a gentleman in New Jersey and that boat ran like Todds/Loosers....The best I ran was 127.....Later, Dave

By the way...Hey Todd,
long time...

[Spectre Powerboats]

I never bought a boat from Todd. I bought it from looser and took it to Todd to see what was wrong with it. The best it ran was 113 but it was a nightmare. Unbelievable porpoise! NO tunnel tab and the boat was repaired. The second one I bought from a gentleman in New Jersey and that boat ran like Todds/Loosers....The best I ran was 127.....Later, Dave

By the way...Hey Todd,
long time...

That shows you how much I remember. I think I do now, didn't we take it for a spin on my lake and it had carb. 2.5's on it?

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

The best I ran was 127.....Later, Dave



Whoa Dave, if you get to claim 127

Buzzin'...You got my personal best beat by 1.2 mph (126.2) Later, Dave
I get to claim 128! :D
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/O-SIZE/002_zpse9c49aa6.jpg

[WARLOCK]

Your right...126.2 and Todd, your also correct, carbed 2.5's. Wheres the picture of your boat at Alum, I know it was posted years ago. Wicked Picture!!!

[Spectre Powerboats]

Your right...126.2 and Todd, your also correct, carbed 2.5's. Wheres the picture of your boat at Alum, I know it was posted years ago. Wicked Picture!!!

I will have to look. There were several pictures of passes where nothing but props were in the water. It was definitely on the edge that day.

[Snotrekie]

put up some pic's !

[AZMIDLYF]

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[Snotrekie]

nice pic

[21tinymessere]

I purchased the Black Twin 15" 225 21' Skater that Willy restored back in 2010.

Great boat for rough chop, Tunnel tab extension sure does help the porpoise.

Looking to put it up for sale and purchase 24' Skater once Todd starts building them.

Good Luck & Ride Safe

[Esox4130]

I purchased the Black Twin 15" 225 21' Skater that Willy restored back in 2010.

Great boat for rough chop, Tunnel tab extension sure does help the porpoise.

Looking to put it up for sale and purchase 24' Skater once Todd starts building them.

Good Luck & Ride Safe have any pictures of it?

[21tinymessere]

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[21tinymessere]

My Skater has stepped transom to accept the 15" motors, Similar to the 24' Skater
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[Esox4130]

That thing and the other black one are top notch!

[Esox4130]

Need to make a 1ft fiberglass tunnel extension so I can run loto haha

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

Steve, just add a bow pulpit, easy installation, add length according to class and lets not forget, "RESALE VALUE" :thumbsup:
http://www.wooldridgeboats.com/gallerypro/7/7_10_1331831302.jpg

[Esox4130]

Steve, just add a bow pulpit, easy installation, add length according to class and lets not forget, "RESALE VALUE" :thumbsup:
http://www.wooldridgeboats.com/gallerypro/7/7_10_1331831302.jpg lmao. Perfect

[JPEROG]

Need to make a 1ft fiberglass tunnel extension so I can run loto haha

You don't want to run out there in a 21. You don't see the swells that are taking place but they are almost always there along with the cross wind before the traps. Tom always made it look simple in his 24 but as you are waiting in the staging area, you realize that its not flat.

Joe

[Esox4130]

You don't want to run out there in a 21. You don't see the swells that are taking place but they are almost always there along with the cross wind before the traps. Tom always made it look simple in his 24 but as you are waiting in the staging area, you realize that its not flat.

Joe
If that cougar mtr i had could do it the 21 should be ok haha. It rides better then that cougar in rough

[Esox4130]

Steve, just add a bow pulpit, easy installation, add length according to class and lets not forget, "RESALE VALUE" :thumbsup:
http://www.wooldridgeboats.com/gallerypro/7/7_10_1331831302.jpg think the k plane counts as a extra foot since It's a extension and permanent to run loto? Wondering if they would let me run

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

Supposedly, "lawyer Mike" had cleared Bill to run in '15, when they were there in '14

Of course Bill hasn't been back.
Just get Mike on the case😀

[Esox4130]

Supposedly, "lawyer Mike" had cleared Bill to run in '15, when they were there in '14

Of course Bill hasn't been back.
Just get Mike on the case just borrow me a set of 34s haha

[MODVP22]

I saw pictures of the guy painted it like monster green he crashed it how sad warlock dave had that boat rolling when he had it

Well that's a damn shame...the crashing part.

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

just borrow me a set of 34s haha
Wouldn't be the first time I propped that boat! :D

[Esox4130]

Wouldn't be the first time I propped that boat! :D trying to get her on a little diet too lol

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

Just leave the back seat on the dock!

[Esox4130]

Just leave the back seat on the dock! guess I could.

[mrcrsr]

have any of you guys taken the back seat out and seen any difference with the race hatch installed?

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

Seat of the pants, it jumps out of the hole better, with seat out. I never run the hatch because I've removed the front brackets.

[tux974]

What I have done on my 21's when I wanted to leave the seat out and did not want to deal with the race hatch is snap in a custom canvas piece I had made with snaps from the rear deck to rear seat mounting base. Worked like a champ!
It served in 2 ways.
A- kept the air out
B- kept anything loose in the cockpit to smatch into any component back there.