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noli
11-24-2016, 05:05 PM
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This thread will remove the ambiguities from the other thread that I started which mixes up the race model "XR" from this Poker Run model "XPR"






Smart Marine's Poker Run boat ==> https://www.facebook.com/SmartMarineService/


build pics are depicted in reverse-build order


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/32_PokerRun.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/32_PokerRun.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/PH32_PR.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/PH32_PR.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/PokerRun.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/PokerRun.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XR_02.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XR_02.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/roll3.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/roll3.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XR5.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XR5.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XR6.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XR6.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/P1.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/P1.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/P2.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/P2.jpg.html)


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http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/P32_02_1.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/P32_02_1.jpg.html)


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noli
12-03-2016, 02:55 PM
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Hull #2 is the Phoenix XPR (Poker Run boat)


After the hull prep is complete, will go to DHD (Doug Harrell Designs) for painting then will be rigged with 400R motors




http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_a.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_a.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_b.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_b.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_d.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_d.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_c.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_c.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_e.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_e.jpg.html)

noli
12-05-2016, 01:58 PM
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Phoenix 32 XPR in epoxy primer white


click on image


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_A4.jpg (https://www.facebook.com/SmartMarineService/)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_A2.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_A2.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_A1.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_A1.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_A3.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_A3.jpg.html)

AZMIDLYF
12-05-2016, 04:02 PM
Can't wait to see this rigged and running. :cheers:

Rayzor
12-05-2016, 06:54 PM
What are the true dimensions of this boat? I've seen their raceboat called a 30', and this one a 32'. What is the measurement from the back of the transom to the front of the sponsons? And what is the width? I hope they're not including that duckbill hanging off the back in their LOA. Regardless of being very similar to the DW32, the boat has great lines. Any word on the speeds they're seeing with the raceboat?

AZMIDLYF
12-05-2016, 09:42 PM
Rayzor, the 30 model was a remade Skater hull.

362020

The Phoenix is a 32.

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Don't know the specs on it though.

Rayzor
12-05-2016, 09:59 PM
Got it, makes sense now. I do wonder still what the true specs are on it. It's great to see that buyers are now getting more choices in the large-size outboard cat market.

noli
12-06-2016, 04:55 AM
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The Phoenix 32 without the diffuser is 32' 6" from transom to bow

the tunnel width on the 30X is 63"





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noli
12-12-2016, 02:25 PM
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The Phoenix 32 Poker Run (model name 32 XPR) has been primed and is ready for paint






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http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_01.jpg (https://www.facebook.com/SmartMarineService/)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_02.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_02.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_03.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_03.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_04.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_04.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_05.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/Phoenix32/XPR_05.jpg.html)

David - WI
12-12-2016, 02:37 PM
Damn... I needed to start saving 30 years sooner. :cheers:

tom kennedy
12-13-2016, 10:26 AM
Can not wait to see this when completed!!!! WOW

noli
01-12-2017, 06:00 PM
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http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/sportboatnews/logo/SBN_logo2.png (https://www.facebook.com/SportBoatNews/)
The Phoenix 32 XPR was lifted with one strap to determine where the CG (center of Gravity) is located. The guys at SmartMarine couldn't be any happier. The CG location and the hull weight all came in as expected


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/32XPR/b2.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/32XPR/b2.jpg.html)




http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/32XPR/b1.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/32XPR/b1.jpg.html)




http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/32XPR/b3.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/32XPR/b3.jpg.html)

AZMIDLYF
01-12-2017, 06:30 PM
So theoretically, that is where they feel the best point for CG is? I can see a static CG on a Vee hull but the Cats have all the Aero working on it.

What did the hull end up weighing?

DJohnson
01-12-2017, 08:25 PM
Yes, CG for the bare hull came out where we've anticipated. The XPR hull CG is just an inch aft of the XR. We use this as a baseline to establish a rigging layout so that whether the hull receives 300XS's or 400R's, the equipment balances the CG to where we've found the hull to perform best.

AZMIDLYF
01-12-2017, 11:14 PM
Do the tanks get mounted at the CG point so fuel load doesn't affect the CG balance?

DJohnson
01-12-2017, 11:31 PM
Do the tanks get mounted at the CG point so fuel load doesn't affect the CG balance?

Yes, tanks are installed on rigged CG.

AZMIDLYF
01-12-2017, 11:46 PM
Nice...look forward to watching this progress.

Rayzor
01-13-2017, 01:53 PM
Yes, tanks are installed on rigged CG.

Fully-rigged CG is impossible to keep at a constant with different motors and just rigging changes, unless you add weight forward. There's not enough weight in moveable rigging components to compensate for the 200#s per motor difference between 300XSs and 400Rs - especially if you are using lightweight Lithium Ion batteries. Different setback can only account for so much CG change as well. Your other alternative is changing the notch in the transom, which changes the effective CG of the boat when on the water's surface - but not when it goes airborn. Very nice looking boat design though, and you guys are already running well with your raceboat - congrats! What degree deadrise are the sponsons at the transom? I notice you've got dual lifting strakes at the rear of the sponsons - I would think that should gain you guys some mph on the top end. Did you guys test with and without them on a running boat before implementing that design into your bottom? When is your first 400R boat going to hit the water? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just intrigued by your new boat, and it's not often manufacturers post on these sites.

DJohnson
01-13-2017, 02:57 PM
The rigged CG differences between our 32XR and the 32XPR is 3.5". This difference will grow when you add rear seat passengers and gear. Total weight difference is 1,300#'s roughly dry.

Thank you, we've worked hard to produce a boat that has attractive lines, challenges the industry, and performs on the water.

The dual strakes do help lift but there are some other bottom design features under there that produce the lift quicker especially during acceleration from rest. We're constantly prototyping to produce the most efficient hull. Our performance designs are tested in Solidworks CFD for lift, drag variations (surface/friction, cavity, vortices, etc.), and reducing the overall drag coefficient. Once we're happy with a digital test, we implement and prove the product first through our race teams. If the feature performs, it makes it way into our production boats. Always pushing forward.

First 400R boat is being sent off to paint on Tuesday and will be rigged upon return. No worries at all about the questions, we're always on our toes. Thank you.


-Dustin

Rayzor
01-13-2017, 08:40 PM
Thanks for your response, it sounds like you guys have gone the high-tech route with your endeavor! Best of luck with it - the high performance marine industry is not easy. It will be interesting to see if your new-school, high-tech approach beats the old gray-matter method (I would think it should). I don't know if the Victory team is using computational fluid dynamics or not with their X-Cats, but they are the ones to beat right now. I have studied pictures of their bottom, and spoken to guys that are at the races - the running surface of their sponsons have a gull-wing type arch to them. Seems as though they are trying to capture some of the energy coming off the keel to provide lift without additional drag. They run both a 30' and a 31' boat, with notched transoms and non-notched transoms. It seems as though the non-notched transom works better for them, as that's the boat I see most often in pictures from the races. The bottoms look to be fairly flat as well, probably down in the 10-12 degree deadrise range. They mainly race on smooth, short courses now, so the rougher water bottoms have no place in X-Cat any more. They basically run on large F1 courses! With all the flat running surface created by the multiple lifting strakes on your bottom, I'm seeing that you guys are going after speed in smoother water over capability in the rough as well. Use the internet as your sales tool and post up pictures and videos as soon as you get the 400R boat running - we'll all be watching for them! :cheers:

AZMIDLYF
01-14-2017, 01:16 AM
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Double Rigged
01-14-2017, 07:36 AM
Really nice looking boat. Only thing for me with the new cats from DW and other than MTI/Skater the cockpits are very small. Not sure why they do not take advantage of all that room around there.
I agree with Dale on the CG. As we have all seen the difference of the 400r vs 300xs's is huge on the effect of CG. Also Fuel tanks position is good but if you do not carry tons of fuel all the time that is a variable that becomes ineffective.
I would love to see you guys do the same test with a fully rigged 400r boat and see where it is then.
Keep up the good work. Looking forward to seeing the completed project.

AZMIDLYF
01-14-2017, 11:50 AM
If the boat has been rigged with all of its static equipment(engines, batteries, pumps, interior, etc) and the CG placement found from this and the fuel tanks mounted at that CG point, then fuel load should change only the weight of the boat and not its balance correct?

noli
01-20-2017, 12:55 PM
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http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/sportboatnews/logo/SBN_logo2.png (https://www.facebook.com/SportBoatNews/)
The 32 XPR cockpit is complete. Here's what SmartMarine is saying:


"From concept to reality, the Phoenix 32 XPR stylized widebody interior has come to life. With recesses for additional storage, contrasting paint work, hidden LED lighting, grab handles, cup holders, and an awesome JLaudio sound system, this interior provides the space needed to include all the features of the most elaborate build without crowding equipment and sacrificing aesthetics. Dash and forward side recesses can handle with ease side mounted MercuryRacing Zero Effort controls, Simrad NSS12 and NSS9 chartplotters, a pair of VesselView702bySimrad, and even a Yeti Hopper. Purposeful design lends to clean, sharp line..."




http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/32XPR/32XPR_cockpit.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/32XPR/32XPR_cockpit.jpg.html)

DJohnson
01-20-2017, 01:23 PM
As always Noli, thank you for the feature!

DJohnson
01-20-2017, 01:57 PM
Really nice looking boat. Only thing for me with the new cats from DW and other than MTI/Skater the cockpits are very small. Not sure why they do not take advantage of all that room around there.
I agree with Dale on the CG. As we have all seen the difference of the 400r vs 300xs's is huge on the effect of CG. Also Fuel tanks position is good but if you do not carry tons of fuel all the time that is a variable that becomes ineffective.
I would love to see you guys do the same test with a fully rigged 400r boat and see where it is then.
Keep up the good work. Looking forward to seeing the completed project.

In regards to the CG, we've pre-weighed every components we put into a rigged boat to determine the moment generated by each part; everything meaning motors, whether 300XS or 400R's, their specific rigging, then the seats, windshields, bilge pumps, hatch hardware, chartplotters, hydraulic lines, thru hull fittings, etc. I mean ALL of it. The sum of these moments produce a CG of their own. This figure paired with the CG of our bare hull gives us our total rigged CG. We then move rigging & motor offset around to adjust the total CG (setting up a spreadsheet in excel with all formulas built into it helps a ton and makes rigging decisions quick and easy to determine). The difference between a rigged 300XS and 400R we have within 3.5". This also helps us place the fuel tank directly on the CG so that fuel level does not alter the attitude of the boat underway.

Nothing we do is just for the hell of it. We build with a purpose.

The first 32XPR has gone to paint and will be on the water in a matter of a few weeks.

AZMIDLYF
01-20-2017, 02:06 PM
Sounds like someone has been doing their homework. :cheers:

NICE PAIR
06-12-2017, 10:32 PM
How'd everyone's hard work turn out? :-)

JPEROG
06-12-2017, 10:58 PM
The boat is very fast. I will let Dustin and or Chris disclose the numbers that its running but they are very very good.

Joe

noli
06-14-2017, 05:21 PM
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Good to hear Joe!

waiting for them to post some info and pics


these pics were asof April 21

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Hoovershark
06-15-2017, 10:47 PM
Here it is gang, the 2018 Phoenix 32XPR. Stay tuned....

AZMIDLYF
06-15-2017, 11:30 PM
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AZMIDLYF
06-15-2017, 11:31 PM
Gorgeous and please keep us posted on the details.

noli
06-16-2017, 04:34 AM
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Graphics by Doug Harrell Design ==> https://www.instagram.com/doug_harrell_design/


The 32 XPR hull, as is all Smart Marine hulls, are resin-infused


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noli
06-16-2017, 04:53 AM
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hoovershark, to show bigger pics, click Edit, then double click the pic and select "Full Size"....just a thought





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Trimmed Out15
06-16-2017, 05:40 AM
Beautiful boat, is it a 4 seater or 5? What kind of top end numbers so far?

Hoovershark
06-16-2017, 05:52 AM
First off, I would like to thank everyone for their kind and encouraging comments. We are very proud of what we have build and accomplished. To answer Trimmed Out15's question, it comes in 2/2, 2/3, 2/4, amd 2/2/2 configurations. Depending on customers choice and customized layout. As for the top speed... we are not going to disclose that quite yet. But what I can say is that the competition may be concerned, and I'll leave it at that.

Hoovershark
06-16-2017, 07:55 AM
"Tower.... This is Phoenix 32.... requesting straight out for departure.... Phoenix 32 your clear for departure and flyby. Roger that Tower...."

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lz0c7vpzqm32u3o/20170605_163423.mp4?dl=0

noli
06-16-2017, 12:34 PM
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(http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/32XPR/2017/orange_black_400R/sp.jpg.html)http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/32XPR/2017/orange_black_400R/b1.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/32XPR/2017/orange_black_400R/b1.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/32XPR/2017/orange_black_400R/b3.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/32XPR/2017/orange_black_400R/b3.jpg.html)


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Noli1012/Smart_Marine/32XPR/2017/orange_black_400R/b2.jpg (http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/Noli1012/media/Smart_Marine/32XPR/2017/orange_black_400R/b2.jpg.html)​​​​​​​





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AZMIDLYF
06-16-2017, 01:22 PM
That is sitting very nice. :cheers:

Hoovershark
06-16-2017, 03:24 PM
Smart Marine Boats is proud to announce the XPR32's arrival. We have been sitting on these numbers for two weeks. But with the overwhelmingly warm response we have gotten from all of you, it seems only prudent to announce it here and now. Without further delay, here the are.

Thank you Scream and Fly for all your support and encouragement, without you the high performance powerboaters, this would all be lost.

Fast....Present....Future
SMB

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Trimmed Out15
06-17-2017, 04:17 PM
Wow great number and beautiful boat, best of luck

MeCapnDave
06-18-2017, 11:37 PM
Congrats to Chris and his team !! 122 mph out of the box not even dialed in is pretty impressive !!!

noli
09-07-2017, 04:26 AM
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latest pics....awesome!


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NICE PAIR
09-07-2017, 05:44 PM
Gorgeous and please keep us posted on the details.


What AZ said. ;-)

AZMIDLYF
11-20-2017, 11:49 AM
No longer the Phoenix 32? Big Thunder Cat?

MeCapnDave
11-20-2017, 12:00 PM
No longer the Phoenix 32? Big Thunder Cat?

Big Thunder made Smart Marine an offer they couldn’t refuse !! With a fresh infusion of capital it will be interesting to see how well they sell !! It’s certainly become a crowded segment of the market !! Hopefully they will be able to field an S class race boat next year !! It’s always easier to sell them when they have a winning pedigree !!

noli
11-20-2017, 06:23 PM
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https://speedonthewater.com/in-the-news/4881-big-thunder-plans-to-show-off-32-foot-cat-in-key-west-and-englewood

The 32 molds are at Big thunder Marine


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noli
11-28-2017, 01:36 PM
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