36' Skater with twin 400ROS 15" mids

[noli]

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Will start compiling pics on this awesome build.

36 foot Skater with twin MercuryRacing XCat 400ROS 15" motors


Before cutting the hull low

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After 3 iterations of cutting the hull low
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[noli]

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The deck is capped onto the hull

The whole boat is cut low to save weight for the twin 400ROS


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[AZMIDLYF]

Wow is that thing cut down! Not much transom to work with for Jack Plates.

[tux974]

Now that is boat building and custom fabrication at its finest!! I'm sure this will be a fantastic boat coming from an amazing place!.....:thumbsup:

[Double Rigged]

Should be interesting. Would love to see Pete and Skater team come up something new to compete with whats out there.

[Rayzor]

This entire build is insane! Unbelievable that the owner is willing to spend almost twice as much to get the 15" 400Rs and forego any/all factory warranty on the motors. That is some dedication to this build in itself! That looks like a 368, not a 36 - and with that notch at the transom, it ends up being about 34' 6" of running surface (notch looks to be about 18" long). That's going to be an awesome big water outboard cat for sure! I can't wait to see it when I'm back there next Tuesday........

[MeCapnDave]

Awesome build !! Finally someone bought the correct 400's for a high performance boat instead of the 400 fishing motors. This one's gonna be nice !!! Looking forward to seeing it fly !!

[AZMIDLYF]

http://www.speedonthewater.com/new-boats-engines/3392-skater-building-first-verado-outboard-powered-368-catamaran?highlight=WyJza2F0ZXIiLCJza2F0ZXIncyIsIidza2F0ZXIiXQ==

[noli]

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Razor,

If you're visiting the holy-land, please take some pics of the 36 for us and post here :)

Pete is proly concentrating on the cockpit, inside the bilge/transom areas, and the windshield receiver, pics would be great

also, approximately when she'll be blocked to make ready for paint


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[Rayzor]

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Razor,

If you're visiting the holy-land, please take some pics of the 36 for us and post here :)

Pete is proly concentrating on the cockpit, inside the bilge/transom areas, and the windshield receiver, pics would be great

also, approximately when she'll be blocked to make ready for paint


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Don't worry Noli, I'll get plenty of pics of everything back there. Don't know that I'm going to get every angle and detail like you're asking for - pictures aren't the reason I'm going back there, but I'll get some pics of what we'll see on the water next year.

[150aintenuff]

stupid question... why not just cut dwn the engine mount and glass in small splashwells vs cut down whole boat??? seems like the whole cut down is limiting its ability to sit at rest inn anything but glass water..

[AZMIDLYF]

Believe it was part of a weight saving solution.

[Double Rigged]

I think they only cut down the deck and hull sides but the boat will still have same size tunnel and depth of the sponsons.

[Rayzor]

I think they only cut down the deck and hull sides but the boat will still have same size tunnel and depth of the sponsons.

You're correct Ron, the running surfaces and tunnel dimensions of the hull remain the same as a standard, non cut-down boat. The only purpose of cutting them down so low is to reduce weight, and aerodynamic drag. I'm personally not a fan of the ultra-low cut down boats, as you still need enough depth in the cockpit and windshield (approximately 40" from the floor to the top of the windscreen) to keep the wind going over the top of the driver/passenger. What ends up happening is the windscreen looks too tall on top of the boat - in my opinion. That's what I don't like about the look of the MTI 34X - the boat is super low profile, with a huge round windshield stuck on top of it. I feel there is a happy medium between the tall standard-deck boats and the ultra cut-down boats. Pete has also built boats with the sides of the hull canted in, which also looked strange to me (not a lot have been built with that feature). But all of that is what makes Skaters so different (and "cooler" imo) than every other boat out there - no two flat deck Skaters are exactly the same! They are truly custom built to each individual buyer's desires.

[AZMIDLYF]

Agree with you Razor. This photo really gives you an idea of how low the sides are in comparison to the occupants.

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[JPEROG]

This thing is going to be cool but I would need to have 3 for sure. Acceleration on a triple engine boat is so addictive and this hull is plenty big to still be balanced. I would love to be in a position to do a project of this caliber "its no cheap deal".

Joe

[Double Rigged]

You're correct Ron, the running surfaces and tunnel dimensions of the hull remain the same as a standard, non cut-down boat. The only purpose of cutting them down so low is to reduce weight, and aerodynamic drag. I'm personally not a fan of the ultra-low cut down boats, as you still need enough depth in the cockpit and windshield (approximately 40" from the floor to the top of the windscreen) to keep the wind going over the top of the driver/passenger. What ends up happening is the windscreen looks too tall on top of the boat - in my opinion. That's what I don't like about the look of the MTI 34X - the boat is super low profile, with a huge round windshield stuck on top of it. I feel there is a happy medium between the tall standard-deck boats and the ultra cut-down boats. Pete has also built boats with the sides of the hull canted in, which also looked strange to me (not a lot have been built with that feature). But all of that is what makes Skaters so different (and "cooler" imo) than every other boat out there - no two flat deck Skaters are exactly the same! They are truly custom built to each individual buyer's desires.

Will be interesting to see how tall it ends up. Maybe the guy is short LOL!

[AZMIDLYF]

Random question: What determines the motor centerlines on the sponsons for a cat hull? Is there an industry standard dimension or just the rigging/manufacturer preference? Read a post by Linder that said the prop shaft centerline should be 3 inches in from the inside tunnel but he was using a surface drive set up in that reference. The X-cat motors all seem to vary with their set ups.

[Rayzor]

Random question: What determines the motor centerlines on the sponsons for a cat hull? Is there an industry standard dimension or just the rigging/manufacturer preference? Read a post by Linder that said the prop shaft centerline should be 3 inches in from the inside tunnel but he was using a surface drive set up in that reference. The X-cat motors all seem to vary with their set ups.

I think it really varies by manufacturer. I know that Pete likes to run the gearcases as tight as possible to the water coming through the tunnel on the 28s - 55" centerline on a 48" tunnel. He says he likes the props to grab the water coming through the tunnel, but the gearcase to be just clear so as to not create any drag. From how close to the outside of the sponsons the motors are mounted on the DW32s, it looks like Doug likes to run them farther toward the outside of the sponson. But that may just look that way because the sponsons are a lot narrower - I've never seen a picture taken from directly behind the gearcase on a DW32.

[Rayzor]

Here are pics I took of Matt Rice's new 368. From what Pete said, Grant is on a mission to make this boat very fast........ There will be another 368 being built with 400Rs soon after this one - it won't be near this cut down, more of a standard cut, flat-deck build than this purpose-built boat.

[Rayzor]

More pics......

[conmax]

Wow, it is really cut low. Would seem OK for a race boat, not so sure it is safe for pleasure boating. One reason would be taking on water over the stern. I guess they will not try to save so much weight that they eliminate bilge pumps, another 8 lbs.

[noli]

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Razor,

If you're visiting the holy-land, please take some pics of the 36 for us and post here :)

Pete is proly concentrating on the cockpit, inside the bilge/transom areas, and the windshield receiver, pics would be great

also, approximately when she'll be blocked to make ready for paint


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Thank you Razor for giving us these updated pics! Looks great!



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[AZMIDLYF]

Thanks Razor. :thumbsup: I also noticed, I believe, in an XCAT photo that the motors were out further on the DWs.

Like I stated previously, there is not a lot of transom on that hull for mounting brackets/engines. :eek:

[AZMIDLYF]

What ever became of this build?

[Rayzor]

I'm pretty certain it's at Grant's by now for rigging. It was in the paint booth to be sprayed when I was at the factory last on 11/07.

[Double Rigged]

Dale, Really this is Skater we are talking about LOL!!!!!
Hope your boat gets done faster than some.......

[Rayzor]

Dale, Really this is Skater we are talking about LOL!!!!!
Hope your boat gets done faster than some.......

Gheez Ron, if Skater can't get it painted and out the door in two months after this pic was taken, something's wrong! :o

[Double Rigged]

Update, Boat is still at Skater and Grant was there today with Pete per my intel!

[Rayzor]

I just heard that it's still there! Steve's 318 will be the representative for the Skater outboard boats again at the Miami show now. I heard the reason it's still there is because of a rigging issue with the ROS motors.

[noli]

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Double Rigged was right, Grant and Matt were at the Skater Factory...thanks for the heads up Ron!






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[noli]

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looks like the motors will be clamped on the transom prior to sending the boat to Grant's Signature Racing




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[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

Did anybody else notice the "A Hledin" on the console?

[AZMIDLYF]

Think it's a PHledin...just close to the H

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

I'm stickin' with A for Alex

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

Of course this could also explain why I have never been called to testify as a hand writing expert. :leaving:

[Capt.Insane-o]

Man that one is buzzed down.. Looks good without the wind shield.

[noli]

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[AZMIDLYF]

Would be neat to see the weight progression as it gets built. :thumbsup:

[Rayzor]

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The pictures of the motors were taken at Grants place (that's Dan's 28 in the background), so my guess is that they'll hang the motors there - not at Skater. It looks to me like Skater will put the interior in it and send it off to Grants............. And thanks for posting the pics Noli! They are helpful to me, since that boat will be gone by the time I get back to Skater next. There are a few design pieces in those pics that I will be incorporating into my build, so it's great having them to use!

[noli]

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I was wondering why the Broadco race boat would be up on the wall at Skater...now i get it...its not at Skater but at Grants

The windshield would proly be cut at Skater factory?





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[Rayzor]

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I was wondering why the Broadco race boat would be up on the wall at Skater...now i get it...its not at Skater but at Grants

The windshield would proly be cut at Skater factory?





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Yes, Skater will finish the windshield and interior installation, then send it off to Grant's. From what I see in the pics, I think Grant may be having his upholstery guy do all the foam and vinyl work, as the seat shells are finished, but not upholstered. He may have had Pete just build the shells and sidepanels and then finish them using his guy that did Dan's seats.

[AZMIDLYF]

Getting cleaned up and sent out...

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[conmax]

Guess that's what the short transom is for. The 15" ROS could also be mounted on brackets for the X, but maybe not as efficient.

[AZMIDLYF]

Is this going to be using STR brackets too?

[Just Tool'in]

Man that side shot is BAD A$$!!!

[Chaz]

Getting cleaned up and sent out...

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MidLyfe ,

Shouldn't they finish the window's before washing the dust off .. ? :leaving:

[AZMIDLYF]

Looks like the windows are finished if they made a cover for it.

[Todd D]

Getting cleaned up and sent out...

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That's Grant's parking lot see the Yellow Fins in the background!!

[Capt.Insane-o]

Not so sure of the forehead it has, but the rest of it is killer.

[Chaz]

Ohhhh , thanks , I thought they forgot to finish the back . No other square corners above the water line .... :cool:
Maybe bringing that yuge picture window back like that is to support the second floor .. ;)

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[Trimmed Out15]

Ohhhh , thanks , I thought they forgot to finish the back . No other square corners above the water line .... :cool:
Maybe bringing that yuge picture window back like that is to support the second floor .. ;)

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From the Skaters I have seen and been in the back seat comes up that high so thats how they try to blend it in

[AZMIDLYF]

That's Grant's parking lot see the Yellow Fins in the background!!

I was unsure also on the location because of the CCs in back and how green the trees were for Douglas right now. :thumbsup:

[Rayzor]

That 368 is Badass! I can't wait to see what Matt and Grant can get out of it with the 400s hanging off the back. It will be a great "every-day-use" big water boat. There are more 368 outboard boats in the works..........

[Ryan Beckley]

I saw the hull and trailer in person today and it is so beautiful. Skater's work is amazing. The trailer is one of there new aluminum pieces, very nice!

[noli]

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This is great news!

Ryan, do you have pics of the alum trailer?




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[noli]

Is this going to be using STR brackets too?




Hey AZ,

yes, Shaun is building them.







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[Trimmed Out15]

Any updates on this boat?

[conmax]

that is a very stylish boat

[conmax]

I expect this boat, as big as it is, is being built for rough water use only. I realize that Skaters are efficient designs, but 800 hp in such a large boat must take a long time to plane and really limit acceleration and top speed. Maybe 4 of them or 2 big hp I/O's, would be a better choice. These outboards are very popular now, but they can only go so far on the bigger boats.

It is beginning to seem that manufacturers are capitalizing on a trend rather than what is best for their boats.

[JPEROG]

I expect this boat, as big as it is, is being built for rough water use only. I realize that Skaters are efficient designs, but 800 hp in such a large boat must take a long time to plane and really limit acceleration and top speed. Maybe 4 of them or 2 big hp I/O's, would be a better choice. These outboards are very popular now, but they can only go so far on the bigger boats.

It is beginning to seem that manufacturers are capitalizing on a trend rather than what is best for their boats.

Two things are happening in this market:
1. Guys are getting older and wiser (180 mph big power is cool but it has also proven to be deadly).
2. Inboard boats are a pain the ass even if you have the money to maintain them it still takes time and effort.

I agree that 3 400s would be really nice on this hull.

Joe

[conmax]

I agree with the older part. I am going from a 135 mph single engine cat to a twin 400 fishing motor one that may never see over 120. Part of this is due to reliably as well as lower noise levels.
It just seems like the bigger tunnels will be so under powered with twin 400's that the owners will soon tire of them and go back to higher powered twin big blocks. Maybe not if the lower cost and reliability are important enough. Just seems like they will miss there faster big motored I/O when one goes by them like they are standing still.

[AZMIDLYF]

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[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

Sure never saw a notch/tunnel extension like that before
http://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=369842&d=1489710747

[AZMIDLYF]

Definitely keeps the full tunnel.

[AZMIDLYF]

Looks like the maiden voyage is not too far away.


https://www.facebook.com/GrantsCustomRigging/videos/759286527561077/

[JPEROG]

What a beautiful piece....

Joe

[AZMIDLYF]

Agree...Those 15 ROS' work so well on that thing. I just want to see how the rear sits in the water.

[Double Rigged]

Spoke to Grant yesterday and they were really close. It may have run today.
if not any day.

[Trimmed Out15]

Those 15s look great on there, a 3rd would be even better!

[Flightplan]

Boat looks amazing. I wouldnt want my glass that dark, but love the look.

[Ryan Beckley]

115 MPH First time out!!!!

[AZMIDLYF]

That is impressive for a first run!!

[Double Rigged]

There is a video on Grant's Facebook Page. Very cool boat and BIG too!
One can only dream......

[Esox4130]

That's what I'm thinking lol. Those numbers are awesome for that big of a boat wow

[tom kennedy]

Looking forward to see what it will run when dialed in , very very nice !!!!!!!!!

[Scream And Fly]

That is absolutely insane! Thank you so much for keeping this updated. Just incredible.

[bigbore]

It is nice/something different/the weight of them 4 strokes hanging off the back is gonna be simular to i.o.'s though,and rpms is also gonna be simular.

[AZMIDLYF]

The final package with the new 400Rs:
https://speedonthewater.com/boat-restorationsprojectsupgrades/4899-all-gain-and-no-pain-in-skater-36-ros-swap-out-for-verado-400rs

[MeCapnDave]

The final package with the new 400Rs:
https://speedonthewater.com/boat-restorationsprojectsupgrades/4899-all-gain-and-no-pain-in-skater-36-ros-swap-out-for-verado-400rs
It’s a shame the EPA put pressure on the 2 strokes, a 400XS would be a killer piece and just what a lot of boats could use !!!

[noli]

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heard everyone is ok, minor bruises and all 4 will be released soon, if not already

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[MeCapnDave]

What a heart breaking disappointment !! The wind and waves were extremely treacherous today, so much that we elected to just load it on the trailer this morning and call it a day. Hoping everyone heals fast and the boat is repaired soon..396030396030

[Esox4130]

Did they stuff it?

[MeCapnDave]

Did they stuff it?
Blew over backwards

[Esox4130]

Blew over backwards
Wow. Good thing everyone is ok.

[noli]

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curious if the deck on this 36 Skater has been fixed and ready 2018 Poker Runs?


I didn't think the damage was that extensive. Looks to be the port sponson deck needed fixing, but not sure?


This is one of the prettiest boats and would love to see her back in action!





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[JPEROG]

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curious if the deck on this 36 Skater has been fixed and ready 2018 Poker Runs?


I didn't think the damage was that extensive. Looks to be the port sponson deck needed fixing, but not sure?


This is one of the prettiest boats and would love to see her back in action!





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I think Matt was hurt much worse then what was down played. That along with the fact that this is no small repair job when everything got salt water submerged. The boat will most likely be completely de-rigged, new electronics, and then you have another 40K in power heads that need attention along with new windshields, and getting it put back through the paint shop again. My guess is that it will be 125K process and take a few months at best if there was no structural damage that isn't visible.

Joe

[noli]

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