Class 7 OPA "60mph" rule?

[hydrostreamvulture1]

Hey guys I couldnt help but notice after looking over the rules page this class is limited too 60mph. Was this in effort too attract more people to participate in this class? Maybe for safety reasons? I know there is quite a few 21-22 SOB boats that are easily capable of going faster then 60mph with "normal everyday" setups...just curious why?

[gotboostedvr6]

I imagine to keep people from killing themselves.

[Baja170]

It would be VERY hard to kill yourself in a 21 SOB at 60 unless you ran it aground. Interesting rule. Maybe rule out anyone who wants to have fun and can afford to race?

[berdes]

Just a matter of "fairness" and political "correctness". This way we can all cross the finish "together", have that warm fuzzy feeling of togetherness, and all BE WINNERS! Yaaaaaaaaaa!!

[FUJIMO]

Same speed for everyone. Safety is number one...http://www.lorenzinifamily.com/oct2015/fair_boat%20ride.jpg

[FUJIMO]

...rules state 20' to 22' single outboard. 300 horsepower allowed. 60 mph max speed, or you are disqualified. This is not racing.

[CptAJ]

I'm all for stock racing and affordable classes. Let the pilot be the difference.

But this is a bit ridiculous.

[hydrostreamvulture1]

I agree...let the driver and setup be the determining factor. Most 20-22ft SOB wont be able to run over 75 reguardless depending on the seas..and how well the boat is setup.

[mr fun]

bet the drop in participation this year causes a rule change

[16ft superboat]

Lame! I'll stick to the 60mph and up class!

[kbirdmon]

We were told at end of 2014 season no more 300 hence the reason I hung a 250... The 60 was for safety as this was and is considered an entry level offshore class We've had a boat stuff and collapse a deck and also one roll and sink. There's been discussion and quite a few who'd appreciate maybe a bump to 65 however given the fact that AC we were heading direct into 6' faces at over 45/50 I bet very few reading this would enjoy that ride. We all broke stuff on our boats nobody hit close to 60 and over 1/2 the class broke. Manasquan was smaller and we had casualties too and no break outs and seaside was rough for a bay race with broken equipment no break outs. I'm for the safety. I'd like to see the mph tested at higher speed too but I'd never want to see anyone hurt and will 100% go with what el presidente smithy says we run. It's a great competitive class that's growing. Don't knock it til you try it. It's aflippin blast. We have whoa momma/lil momma back we have two new entries with done deal and the boat Larrys building and last team elevations making a comeback soon too. It's a killer class if you have a 22' single outboard come get some. Guarantee you go home with a smile.

[olboatman]

We were told at end of 2014 season no more 300 hence the reason I hung a 250... The 60 was for safety as this was and is considered an entry level offshore class We've had a boat stuff and collapse a deck and also one roll and sink. There's been discussion and quite a few who'd appreciate maybe a bump to 65 however given the fact that AC we were heading direct into 6' faces at over 45/50 I bet very few reading this would enjoy that r<script id="gpt-impl-0.41805139479858844" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_87.js"></script>ide. We all broke stuff on our boats nobody hit close to 60 and over 1/2 the class broke. Manasquan was smaller and we had casualties too and no break outs and seaside was rough for a bay race with broken equipment no break outs. I'm for the safety. I'd like to see the mph tested at higher speed too but I'd never want to see anyone hurt and will 100% go with what el presidente smithy says we run. It's a great competitive class that's growing. Don't knock it til you try it. It's aflippin blast. We have whoa momma/lil momma back we have two new entries with done deal and the boat Larrys building and last team elevations making a comeback soon too. It's a killer class if you have a 22' single outboard come get some. Guarantee you go home with a smile.
This is the kind of responce I think is the real deal.... "He who walks the walk can talk the talk"! Another reason this site is the best!!!! Gary

[vnemous]

Yeah those that think you cant get hurt in the Atlantic Ocean with 4-6' breakers need to walk the walk. Even the Michigan races can get hairy big water. Even the Barnegat Bay race the water was so big the spectator boats anchors couldnt hold bottom. Wind dead out of the south and the bay was 3-4' white caps. Kev couldnt even photograph the race from my 32' boat it was so rough. All the hype guys put out about there 22's eating up 3 foot chop are living a fairy tale. . I dont race my super because I see first hand what this water does to these boats, now if I had my old Challenger and a younger back I'd be all over this:D

[vnemous]

This is the norm for an ocean race. Not so dramatic if you are in a 40 foot cat or v bottom. These guys are not concerned with 60 mph more concerned with getting back to the pits:D

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[Fast Shafts]

I've raced in classes 4,5, 6 and now 7. Class 7 is as competitive as any with a high boat count. Since the inception of class 7, NO ONE HAS EVER "BROKEN OUT IN AN OCEAN RACE! On the surface 60 doesn't seem too fast, however if you think your 21-22' SOB can run faster in the ocean, its not to late to register to race OPA. After Point Pleasant this weekend, we have races in Atlantic City in June, and Ocean City Md. later this year. we welcome MORE SOB style boats!
PS, NOAA is calling for 4-5 footers this weekend.

[Baja170]

Yea I see what you are saying it is no wonder the whole deck has been ripped off the Intimidator I bought. I just though 60MPH limit for the smooth parts was kinda low. I understand in the super rough, it would be easy to stuff one, I know mine has been stuffed badly. Maybe it is a good rule to save people from killing themselves. Sorry to be wrong and to armchair quarterback.

[hydrostreamvulture1]

Isnt it upto the drivers to determine how too handle the conditions the boats will be running in? I dont know...I guess I just like the fact of unlimited competition to weed out the weak.

[AZMIDLYF]

Entry level class..offshore in this size hull, 60 will be like "Roundup" for many.

[vnemous]

60 in smooth water is probably harder to drive than the rough stuff cause you have to worry about staying ahead of the other guy but not break out. It still makes for some good action in the turns. Most all of these boats are capable of 70+ the way they sit so its no easy feat staying below 60. I wouldnt even know how to make my boat that slow:D

[FUJIMO]

Single outboard 22 Apache & 22 Velocity at Islamorada Florida Offshore Race, 1985. Walk'n the walk...Talk'n the talk... https://youtu.be/hZ-sgjuMJcg Bone stock Johnson 300 horsepower Second Effort motor did 88 mph in calmer water...

[mike merola]

My boat in AC last year

[vnemous]

My boat in Atlantic City last year and I wasnt racing:D

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[mragu]

Lets see some of the guys who are knocking it step up to the plate. Lets see you "break out" of the 60mph rule in these races and I'll pay your entry fee:)

[Tom Foley]

Single outboard 22 Apache & 22 Velocity at Islamorada Florida Offshore Race, 1985. Walk'n the walk...Talk'n the talk... https://youtu.be/hZ-sgjuMJcg Bone stock Johnson 300 horsepower Second Effort motor did 88 mph in calmer water...

That big Maytag was eating the poor Velocities transom for lunch !!!:cheers:

[tux974]

That 60mph rule is deceiving in most conditions they run in....:eek: Not as easy as it may appear.....:nonod: Drivers have a lot if not most to do with success!......:thumbsup:
Keeping the boat together and equipment running well takes some talent, proper setup, practice, seat time and finesse....:thumbsup:

[vnemous]

I dont think there is anything in the rules about "how many" 250's you can have on your transom:D

[282]

My boat in Atlantic City last year and I wasnt racing:D

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Those are the days it really stinks to have a 21 foot boat, really cool picture though.

[SANTAFE]

Wouldn't it be better to lower the speed to 45? There would be less wear and tear on equipment, and it would be much safer. Everyone would still have fun especially if the water was rough.

[tux974]

60 in smooth water is probably harder to drive than the rough stuff cause you have to worry about staying ahead of other guy but not break out. It still makes for some good action in the turns. Most all of these boats are capable of 70+ the way they sit so its no easy feat staying below 60

:iagree:....Finesse comes to play. Not easy staying out of it when someone could be breaking out by passing you.



I dont think there is anything in the rules about "how many" 250's you can have on your transom:D

Why have one when you can have 2.....:confused::D


Wouldn't it be better to lower the speed to 45? There would be less wear and tear on equipment, and it would be much safer. Everyone would still have fun especially if the water was rough.

Not necessary :nonod: Most times they will not be running much higher then that anyway.

I can tell you from personal experience after helping 2 LI teams since the beginning, these guys work very hard, spend their own $'s to build their boats and make these races.....:thumbsup: Not like big budget racing teams that have sponsors and supporting teams.
PS; Good Luck to all racers this weekend and most important be safe guys......:thumbsup:

[vnemous]

Walked the pits last night and I got to say there is a lot of energy up there. Was looking for the Ghost boat guys but they were not here yet. Its our back yard so I put out the invite that Fullers is there to help the teams that may need something far from home.

[wickedwitthestix]

How many class 7 boats entered? Is the Krypt there? If so what power is he running?

[wickedwitthestix]

And as far as people saying 60 is too slow. Have u ever been in a 21 sob in the ocean in 4+ ft chop and rollers? Probably not. Cause to keep one of those boats Near 60 is a feat in itself. It's a lot to do with safety I'm sure. Also to keep these lil boats in one piece. 60 is pleanty fast in those boats. I bet the avg lap speeds are high 40s low 50s this weekend at best. I hope they keep that stat. If so more people would understand. Even some of the bigger classes have a tuff time averaging 60 in an open ocean race. I don't think anyone should be commenting unless they actually do it. Driving these lil boats is just as hard if not harder that piloting one of the big boys. Especially in races like point pleasant and a.c more power to the class 7 drivers/throttleman it's deffinatly not as easy as most think. This is coming from someone w hundreds of hours in sobs

[AZMIDLYF]

How many class 7 boats entered? Is the Krypt there? If so what power is he running?

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[wickedwitthestix]

Nice. Are you there?

[AZMIDLYF]

Vicariously..:D

[wickedwitthestix]

Gotcha. It's so close I shoulda went rented a Telly for a couple Hundo n had a great time. But the weather out here don't look promising so I didn't pull the trigger last min lol

[vnemous]

How many class 7 boats entered? Is the Krypt there? If so what power is he running?


Yes we just finished rigging the Kryptonite Thursday and Ken picked it up and spent all of Sat in the drivers seat getting the feel. He is running a Etec 250HO. No set up runs 70 with prop against the limiter.

[wickedwitthestix]

Well go find the biggest wheel u can so it tops out closer to 60 n u got acceleration. I think that would be the idea in race form no? I mean that's what I would try to do. Get the Rpms down n the mph w go the same way. With better mid range punch for the turns. I'd b creative with the props. Think outside the box. If u can get it so aired out its at 62-63 so when u tuck it in a lil for the chop your right at 60. So u don't have to worry bout breaking out and u have better acceleration w a bigger wheel. Obvi the guys that set up the class 7 boats know better. I set mine up for big #s. But if I came and played that be my game plan. But I wouldn't enter w my pleasure boat I'd b too affraid to break everything. Lol. At first I thought it was a shame taking that brand new hull and putting it thru that abuse but screw it if u got the coin u might as well get the best eqipment. And there's no doubt that's the best hull in the class. Gunna be interesting what happens tom. I almost don't envy that team. If they win everyone will say they had a unfair advantage and if they don't forget about it lol. Personally I'm routing for them. I love krypts there awesome boats. ignore the haters. Everyone that complains is jelous anyway.

[FUJIMO]

http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/uslimits/images/SpeedLimitQmark.png

[wickedwitthestix]

Do you realize what 60 is like in a 1200# 21 ft boat in the ocean in 4fters is like? Obviously not. All the smaller classes are speed bracketed. No one says nothing bout class 6 being limited to 70 and class 5 limited to 75. N to me 70-75 in a 28ft true offshore v is more on the side of causion and safer than 60 in a Linder 21 in 4 fters in the open ocean that's for sure.

[CptAJ]

I don't think people dislike the rule because of the particular speed they chose. It could be 70 or 80, it makes no difference. I think its a matter of principle, the definition of racing and whatnot. If you want lower speeds, why don't you limit the power? That would keep the speeds safe without a dictatorial speed limit AND make the class cheaper! Its win win. Having a speed limit seems contradictory to racing...

I definitely agree that running 60 in those waters takes some cojones. Respect to all the guys out there. Don't take my dislike of the rule as any kind of offense.

[wickedwitthestix]

That's fine. But these boats w bone stock 200 go 70. So what we talking here 115? Lol all joking aside there is no motor that would limit these boats to 60 set up right. I just think they assume that there not gunna go than fast anyway and there's a speed limit in like 7 of 10 or 11 classes. Class 5 is at 75. N most of those boats r 28-30 ft w big blocks capable of 90ish. And those boats are more likely to break out than the class 7 boats. I just think everyone is acustom to hearing people in sobs flirting w 100 and some do. But there few and far between and if they can it has to b glass calm out. Even on a snotty day in the bay it's a handful to stay at 70 in these 100 mph boats. Now we're talking ocean double the wave height and sloppy coming from all angles and your right off the breakers so fans can see what's going on so the water is even more unpredictable there not to mention wakes from the boat traffic from just other racers on the corse alone I don't think some guys realize how hard it would b to break out in those conditions if you wanted to. Not to mention most of the boats in the class are 20-30 yo pleasure boats. They weren't made for that kinda abuse in 1985 when they came out the factory. And a hull failure even at 60 could be catostrafic but at 60 it's a lot less likely to fall apart than if by the will of God some nut can actually get one into the 70s in those conditions. But take my word for it. It's impossible. I doubt most guys break 55 tom let alone 60. I guess we'll find out tomorrow. To all class 7 racers on this site please post your top speed tom and well have facts not speculation.

[Fast Shafts]

NOAA forecast for Sunday (Race day) is 4-7' winds to 20...just saying. I don't think there will be ANY breakouts.

[AZMIDLYF]

The talent will show with those conditions.

[wickedwitthestix]

If it's on the high ends of that number the big cats won't b breaking out the class 5 limit lol. And the class 7 boats will b going low to mid 40s if it's 5-7fters. Check that. They will have a hard time staying on plane lol

[Ghost S84]

Is there a link to watch live? On a side note what was the thought process behind marking the race course vs providing coordinates so navigating plays a factor?

[SANTAFE]

I don't think people dislike the rule because of the particular speed they chose. It could be 70 or 80, it makes no difference. I think its a matter of principle, the definition of racing and whatnot. If you want lower speeds, why don't you limit the power? That would keep the speeds safe without a dictatorial speed limit AND make the class cheaper! Its win win. Having a speed limit seems contradictory to racing...

I definitely agree that running 60 in those waters takes some cojones. Respect to all the guys out there. Don't take my dislike of the rule as any kind of offense.

Seems more like bracket racing with the purpose of keeping big money from dominating the classes. If it feels good to those who participate, enjoy. It just does not fit the definition of race to some people. more like a war of attrition, or demolition derby. I am sure It is fun and exhilarating, much better than siting on the couch. JMHO
No offense intended just a difference of opinion.

[AZMIDLYF]

Who won Class 7 today?

[goneby]

Hangin and Bangin

[Chaz]

Just curious ... :smiletest:
In the war of attrition , what seem's to be the parts that go away first ?

Beside's the wheel man's kidneys ... :eek:


As far as the 115 hp express ... how ya gonna make up for the parts of the course where you can only manage to go 35 without gettin pitched out ... :confused:

[AZMIDLYF]

Hangin and Bangin

How did the 23 Krypto do?

[goneby]

How did the 23 Krypto do?
I believe 4th

[vnemous]

While hanging n banging was in the lead the whole race they broke out with the highest speed and took 3rd.. rypto was dq'd for non working gps. Everyone broke out except for hustler boat, Wicked Racing , who took first. Aquaholic took 2nd. Whoa Mama broke down. Bay Rat was a very, very late entry but glad to see they could make it. Great racing all around. Ocean was a little choppy but the factor was the on shore swells of 6-7 foot with an occasional 10 footer thrown in there.

[Trimmed Out15]

Good racing, BIG water. I watched from Martell's which has a pier that goes out to the water right in the turn. Great place to hang. Hangin and Bangin looked great, sorry to hear they broke out. Amazing anyone broke out in that water.

[kbirdmon]

KRYPTO was amazing. Not going to catch that Hangin boat in straight away drag race though. turn 1 was hangin, aqua, and myself.... The big waves heading out from beach were like 6-8 foot faces.. we were airin them out for sure.... I sat back at 59.4/59.5 thinking there was break outs for sure no doubt... Then we came in I was told none of my gps transponded, neither the new or the old. Not sure why yet. So I would have had a second if not dq'd. But thats this type of racing if all your stuff isnt on point. your out. And again, I defy anyone to say 60 was too slow. John hit 65, thats where I said the straight aways 65 my be awesome, no one will turn in those conditions much over 55 ever. Great Great Great day of racing. nobody was hurt badly. one blown out back from what I heard but I hope he recovers and comes back quick with us.
My Take on new boat. Great boat for my family and my girl and I to go out with. NOT a contender for class 7, It doesnt turn as fast as them, and the step is not an advantage. It will race the season to see if I can get it a little better but honestly FULLERS did such an amazing job with set up. Theres not much more we can do other than propping it. I kept motor low and trim low because of water and not wanting to break out... Heres the best Shot of my boat that I've seen so far. Cant complain I had it where it needed to be the whole race. Class 7 is hardcore and if you have a SOB boat that fits the rules. Come check it out I'm tellin you it will give you a new found respect for what can be done in these boats in all water conditions. Next race Lake of the Ozarks 2 weeks.

Once again Thank you George Kevin Mike and Ryan for everything. Fullers builds the Beasts...

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[AZMIDLYF]

So even with these conditions, as big as they were, the ability to break out can happen? Guess they should just let you guys rip and may the best team win. What is the intent of the speed regs?

Sorry to hear about the GPS woes KBirdmon.

[wickedwitthestix]

I heard it wasn't quite as bad as was expected but by no means calm. Birdman what exactly do you mean when you say turn as fast as other boats? Do u mean the radius so to speak or how fast u can go while turning or grunt coming out of the turns? Also is the etec brand new? If so put some hours on it. While there's no technical break in on those motors it's still gunna liven up as u put time in it. And the boats new to u. As you get seat time it will become more natural to you and you will handle it better that boat is deff an advantage not a disadvantage in class 7. Give it time.

[kbirdmon]

I heard it wasn't quite as bad as was expected but by no means calm. Birdman what exactly do you mean when you say turn as fast as other boats? Do u mean the radius so to speak or how fast u can go while turning or grunt coming out of the turns? Also is the etec brand new? If so put some hours on it. While there's no technical break in on those motors it's still gunna liven up as u put time in it. And the boats new to u. As you get seat time it will become more natural to you and you will handle it better that boat is deff an advantage not a disadvantage in class 7. Give it time.

Motors 2015 ran it all last season too.. shes broken in...
Turn as fast meaning I could get in and turn my old challenger, Mikes hustler we won championship in 2014 with or my apache last yr faster than I could turn the Kryptonite. It just doesnt feel like its holding in the turn at speed like the unmodified linder designed hull can. I was told this is a superboat hull that Kirk started with and did alot of work to went from a 21* to a 23* added a step...and widened it about 6" if not mistaken. and although its a beast in this type of water and I have zero complaints with the boat. It doesnt turn like I explained it this way. John can turn the hangin and bangin boat like a ferarri.... I feel like I'm turning a cadilac. best way to put it. maybe with more seat time I'll lean on it harder and see where she holds too.. but that was no kind of water to do turn testing when i had one hour seat time prior to the race. I also if you look at pic kept the jackplate and trim buried.. I maybe could bring the leg up and trim up and push it.. but again in that snot I wasn't interested in swimming if I made a mistake. I ran it very very conservative and safe.

Not a contender meaning this type of water boat was awesome, we get to the calm clear lakes I think that the shorter mids and lighter boats without the step will accelerate and turn faster. Not sold that the step has an increased acceleration. Maybe top speed to hang it, but acceleration no, and as far as turning it, felt a little squirrely but I'm fresh in the boat.. once I warm up to the way it responds I'll lean on it in turn more.

65 was attainable.. not so fun though, more just beat your fillings loose and kill your back.

[wickedwitthestix]

Seat time. When I first got behind the wheel of a 29 krypt it felt like u just described I know it's not the same boat but the bottom and manorizms r similar and I also had tons of hrs w Linder designs. The krypt didn't feel as planted. Gave me a loose feeling but I think that's what makes the hull fast. It felt like it would let loose but didn't. Believe me it tracks. Just gives you a different feeling while doing it. As you get more time you will realize you won't loose it. It tracks well. Just a different feeling. Get out there this week and just keep practicing turns at 60. You will realize it won't let go. After 15-20 hrs you won't wanna go back to a 21 believe me. And since it's not a top speed class you deff have the advantage hull wise. And even if it was the only way a 21 has the advantage over your hull is if it's dead calm. That boats Ben forsale a while. Believe me I pondered it for class 7. Just didn't have the extra coin for it.

[Fast Shafts]

The large swells were running parallel to the beach. The highest speeds were attained running North and south in the troughs. When turning into the east or west, this is where there was BIG AIR (and 10' swells) and no one was doing more than 45 mph. I was also surprised at the breakouts.

[Chaz]

Bay Rat was a very, very late entry but glad to see they could make it. Great racing all around. Ocean was a little choppy but the factor was the on shore swells of 6-7 foot with an occasional 10 footer thrown in there.

Peter G. had some last minute catchin up to do ... I gotz a Canole' on Bay Rat at the next one ... :thumbsup: :D

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[Baja170]

DAMN! I guess keeping the boats to 60 could be a MAJOR safety factor. That is enough air to where one mistake or flying off the face of a wave wrong could end up in nose dive city and a swim. Or body slam you so hard it would take a while to heal. WOW you guys have some serious balls.

Our lake in TN is the roughest I have boated on in NC/SC/TN/VA because it is in very steep mountains, it is basically linear in shape and the waves come back at you off the rock faces just like straight up retaining walls and the lake is oriented basically West to East so the wind funnels between the mountains like a venturi and there are a lot of large cruisers on it because it is deep but NOTHING like that. On the lake a Linder hull can smoke most any other hulls, at least so far. Padded hulls beat the hell out of people, you need a lot more deadrise than your normal lake boat on at least 3 days a week if not more. If wind is up, waves are up. If it is a weekend and wind is up, you got waves coming from every direction. A good 24+ Skater or other fast Cat could eat this lake for lunch but there are none on it. On the windy days the waves are all white capped and can get taller than a lot of boats can handle, (no size mentioned because you know the deal on that, it is a lake) especially pontoons and boats with not a lot of freeboard. If I ever had a problem with my Cougar 22 MTR on the rough days, the bilge pump would have had to keep the water out of it stopped. There are plenty of days we cannot drive the wife's planing 3 oversized tube bennington pontoon. NOTHING like what you are flying over, WOW. I warn people all the time to not go out in the main channel on those kind of days, some listen, some don't.

More power to you guys!!!! There will probably not be that many races where the 60MPH limit would be a factor if you run is water like that. WOW!!!!!!! Now that I am 50 and have a boat that could probably make the class, my back and my wallet are saying HELL NO. All growing up, it was all I ever wanted to do until I was in my 40's. My parents got their first cabin on the lake when I was 8 and I have been hooked ever since. Looking at your photo, I am thinking I am glad I never had the money and the time and the equipment at the same time over the years and never raced.

You guys have some serious stones and drive to go race and do that to yourself and your gear and to spend the money to keep your stuff and your body in shape to go do it again. Holy........

[hydrostreamvulture1]

Who manufactures that boat bay rat? Thats an awesome shot!! Looks like a ghost and velocity had a kid and out came bayrat.

[tux974]

It is a "23 Ghost". Measures 21'4" nose to transom, much narrower than a Velocity or Linder at the chine and less deadrise as well. It built very well and will take alot of abuse. Could keep my motor out of guardian mode otherwise I'd have been with the boys up front. Too little time and money, but we'll get it together.

Peter, well put, you sure will! Great job just making it.....:thumbsup:

[Tom Foley]

Peter G. had some last minute catchin up to do ... I gotz a Canole' on Bay Rat at the next one ... :thumbsup: :D

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SERIOUS AIR !!:cheers:

[tux974]

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[tux974]

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A little more flying!
Awesome picture for sure!
That boat has the right attitude, flying straight and perfect balance.....:thumbsup:

[hydrostreamvulture1]

It is a "23 Ghost". Measures 21'4" nose to transom, much narrower than a Velocity or Linder at the chine and less deadrise as well. Its built very well and will take alot of abuse. Couldn't keep my motor out of guardian mode otherwise I'd have been with the boys up front. Too little time and money, but we'll get it together.

Very cool what year is the boat?

[bayratpg]

1982, second high deck built I believe, 2X8 stringers, no core, excellent layup. Stringers looked NEW when I had the floor open 33 years later.

Very cool what year is the boat?

[bayratpg]

Peter, well put, you sure will! Great job just making it.....:thumbsup:
It wasn't easy, one problem after the next. Thanks for your help, and for introducing me to Richie!

[tux974]

It wasn't easy, one problem after the next. Thanks for your help, and for introducing me to Richie!


I know, but you at least got to run it! Your dedication and drive was amazing!
Always a pleasure helping good guys! :thumbsup: You and John have always been a pleasure and fun to help! Richie is unique but an extremely talented guy...:D
We will get it done before next race for sure! Lets get started early.....;):D
With a good tweaked setup, reliable running motor and your driving should put you on the podium...:thumbsup:

[tux974]

That picture in post 68 is awesome and shows a well balanced setup!
John's driving and work has lots to do with his success and consisting good performance, well deserved buddy!

[Chaz]

Tux , I should-a known you waz involved in these hi-fliers ... ;)

Ahhhhh to be young again ... :)

Travis Pastrana's got nuttin on these guys .... :thumbsup:

[tux974]

Tux , I should-a known you waz involved in these hi-fliers ... ;)

Ahhhhh to be young again ... :)

Travis Pastrana's got nuttin on these guys .... :thumbsup:

:D I'm only involved with things with wings....:eek:;)
If you look closely Peters co-pilot sure looks to be getting up to jump over board....:D:D

[bayratpg]

:D I'm only involved with things with wings....:eek:;)
If you look closely Peters co-pilot sure looks to be getting up to jump over board....:D:D

Louie can't stand to sit!!! His first ocean race, I kept yellimg at him to get his ass in the seat. Last year in MI he got the nickname "Silver Surfer" because he stood half the race, looking backwards, yelling distances and positions of the guys behind me:)

[vnemous]

Was great and shocking to see you guys come out the inlet

[Baja170]

Was great and shocking to see you guys come out the inlet

I heard that, I sent the first photo to a buddy of mine with a big and slow 30 or so foot Baja I think Outlaw and he said it was probably photoshopped.

I assured him it was not and sent him the green boat pics as well. He needs a real boat that will move, he is getting old tired and lazy in the lumbering Baja on a lake. I never understood why anyone without young kids would want a huge hulled gas guzzling twin bravo but still slow boat like that on a lake. Oh..... it does have a cool wrap on it though with a bunch of colors. :confused:

[bayratpg]

Was great and shocking to see you guys come out the inlet

Still can't figure out why I'm running on 5 or less cylinders at times. Wasnt the computer. Or the coils or coil harness or the plugs or the wires or the map sensor or the water pressure sensor or the boat harness. Next, testimg fuel pressure, swapping flywheel, then engine harness. All grounds were cleaned as well as all connections.
Any 3L guys have ideas? On the ears, the engine misses on 2-3 cylinders at a time, but takes turns as to what cylinders and often one bank will be good and the other will barely fire.

[Chaz]

:D I'm only involved with things with wings....:eek:;)
If you look closely Peters co-pilot sure looks to be getting up to jump over board....:D:D

I think he's measuring for the hi - flier award ... :thumbsup:


Still can't figure out why I'm running on 5 or less cylinders at times. Wasnt the computer. Or the coils or coil harness or the plugs or the wires or the map sensor or the water pressure sensor or the boat harness. Next, testimg fuel pressure, swapping flywheel, then engine harness. All grounds were cleaned as well as all connections.
Any 3L guys have ideas? On the ears, the engine misses on 2-3 cylinders at a time, but takes turns as to what cylinders and often one bank will be good and the other will barely fire.

Someone with a DDT can scan the computer . It stores lots of data relating to misfires , how many times , where and a good tech can freeze an "event" and point to why it happened .
I've got a computer off of a 225 , our local guru scanned it a couple weeks ago and said it had been on the limiter 4000+ times .. LOL

[mercracer2.5]

This is a great class and was a great race. Point Pleasant Beach was a cool and welcoming venue. A huge thanks to Mario from IPM. If it wasn't for him opening up his shop to do some wrenching late Friday night, we probably wouldn't have made the race. Really appreciated buddy.

[mercracer2.5]

I've got a computer off of a 225 , our local guru scanned it a couple weeks ago and said it had been on the limiter 4000+ times .. LOL[/QUOTE]

That sounds like it could be Petes computer. He runs hard all the time. :thumbsup:

[Chaz]

Yes , I see where that could be possible .... ;)

This was on a cuddy cabin tank . I recon , no one ever told the guy a 17 or 19 just wasn't quite enough wheel .. :D

Congrats on your win .... looks like you earned it ... :thumbsup:

[AZMIDLYF]

Believe Hangin N Bangin broke out so did not win...this is why they should let these boys run. Is it insurance reasons or to keep the deep pockets from running the table that they have these limited classes?

[mercracer2.5]

Believe Hangin N Bangin broke out so did not win...this is why they should let these boys run. Is it insurance reasons or to keep the deep pockets from running the table that they have these limited classes?

Most of OPA is GPS Bracket racing. The main reason is for Insurance reasons. The other is for safety, so any doesn't just get in a boat and punch it and hurt themselves or someone else. Stuff happens. It can be dangerous at any speed. A 30' V bottom rolled and sunk last year in a turn doing 75. I have to agree. GPS racing didn't sound fun to me at first, but its all they offered, so I gave it a try. I LOVE it. Its a rush and addicting. The whole weekend is awesome. Lining up 8-10 boats wide (hopefully 15 soon) is a thrill. Going into the turns are as well. Trying to do 60 in a 21' boat with a lot of traffic from our class and other classes isn't as easy as it sounds. Then through 4-8' foot waves at you and your boat gets real small quick, but really exciting to try to stay up on top of them and push your speed. The GPS rule also brings the driving ability and set up into play. It can definitely be challenging sometimes to keep your speed under the GPS limit. Anybody can throw a big motor on a little boat and go fast. Where is the challenge in that? I would prefer a spec class with heads up racing, but it becomes to hard to tech and expensive since everyone has to buy new stuff. The GPS racing is all that is offered for our class at the moment, and is a S*** lowed of fun. Don't knock it until you try it. I welcome and applaud anyone to come and try to run with us doing 60 in 6' seas and see what your opinions are after the race (If you finish)
John

[bayratpg]

I think he's measuring for the hi - flier award ... :thumbsup:



[/COLOR]Someone with a DDT can scan the computer . It stores lots of data relating to misfires , how many times , where and a good tech can freeze an "event" and point to why it happened .
I've got a computer off of a 225 , our local guru scanned it a couple weeks ago and said it had been on the limiter 4000+ times .. LOL

DDT showed no faults. Found today that a couple coils would fire correctly when I pushed the boot on firmly with my fingers, but not with plastic pliers! Un-mounted 2 coils and all fired well. Changed both coils out and it ran good on the ears and for a short while only to breakup on top again. I think I may just have to order 6 new coils in the am, next day air if I am to have this sorted for LOTO. Can't be finishing a lap behind again. Anyone know how to test the coils manually?

[AZMIDLYF]

Thanks for the explain and you guys have my total respect on the ability to control these things in swells. Those were some huge troughs in that race.

[kbirdmon]

My sentiments exactly.John. It's not easy slowing down and it's dangerous going much faster I turns and seas. The class is great

[bayratpg]

Its a great class for a novice with no experience or skill. I pushed for a stock 200 sleeve, 3000lb, no gps class and guys chickened out.

[vnemous]

One guys 200 is a sneaky guys 245.

[Chaz]

One guys 200 is a sneaky guys 245.

How is you are so up to date on what sneaky guys do .... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :D

[CUDA]

;)
How is you are so up to date on what sneaky guys do .... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :D


Guess you never raced a stock class;)

[vnemous]

How is you are so up to date on what sneaky guys do .... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :D

I have no idea what you are talking about

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii3/vnemous/20130330_142511_zpsd005361d.jpeg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/vnemous/media/20130330_142511_zpsd005361d.jpeg.html)

[Turborr]

Looks like a 200 to me!:thumbsup:

[Chaz]

;)


Guess you never raced a stock class;)

No , but Roy Whaley once told me :
They wont let ya make no power in this class , all ya can do is make sure you don't lose none of what ya got. :thumbsup:

Is that a factory decal set ... ? The 2 looks a little crooked ... :eek: :D

[AZMIDLYF]

Must have been made on the night shift..:cool:

[vnemous]

We are still talking about building a 4 cyl looper for the class and getting this rallysport up and running. Gotta give john norton a call and see what the hit is to put transome and stringers in it.

[AZMIDLYF]

What will that save...about 100 lbs on the back end?

[FUJIMO]

www.ChaudronPowerboats.com (http://www.ChaudronPowerboats.com) This is their 25 footer. They also offer a 22, etc... I like the way they race over there...http://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=342356&d=1461523386

[Chaz]

100 pounds , that depends .
He's watched this guy ball mill away deep run's while mumbling something about they build this **** for guys who can break an anvil with a rubber mallet ... ;)

Go head , build a "rally spote" .. !
I'm putting Dirk Pitt and the Instigator in my new "Native" whip .... I gotz a "smokin" hot flex fuel friendly green stripe "pork-chop" being tested ... >

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc29/TubeCarz/Gary_zps9bc029ad.jpg (http://s217.photobucket.com/user/TubeCarz/media/Gary_zps9bc029ad.jpg.html)

[AZMIDLYF]

Seem to remember that Tuff photo somewhere. :rolleyes:

Fujimo...love those Chaudrons! Narrow 6ft, I believe, beam that slices through the water.

[vnemous]

By the way, the hp limit is 300. Buying a 300 that says 250HO and repeating over and over that 250 is the limit and buying a 23 Kryptonite and having the certificate of origin changed to 22 is not what this class was all about. .

Im gonna speculate that you are talking about Birds boat so let me put this out there. We, Fullers, sold him a new Evinrude 250HO Etec last year for the Apache. Thats the motor that was on his boat when it left the shop for this race. Nothing done to it. Now about the length of the boat and what its registered as, we measured it at the shop and it was 22' 8" from transom to tip of nose. We have no idea what the reg says. Thems the fact as we know them:D

[vnemous]

No I didnt take it that way at all. Just thought there was some doubt. The 250 HO is a very strong torque y motor and probably makes close to 275 hp. Like many other motors now a day the only difference is the computer.

[vnemous]

Well my place in stuart is about a mile from the test center. Maybe I will buy coffee and go knock on their door:D

[tux974]

I heard something about fuel.
My uneducated response/question is, what difference does it make if the motor or racer runs fuel (NO spray) and keeps HP under the approved 300?? Is the class unmolested stock motors only? I'm asking because i do not know.
To me once again (uneducated) feel that a 3.0L is not the motor for this class when running a light 22' boat.
To me the idea is to produce the max HP on a motor down low, get to 60 ASAP, keep the boat with proper control in the turns, accelerated well, setup to best hook up HP to water and keeping boat extremely well balanced especially under some of those conditions.

PS; I'm commenting on this thread because I have been around some of these guys from the beginning!!!


BTW, I have a few motors sitting waiting for the right transom along with this LITTLE PH under the cover built to run on the right SOB....:D Out for more parts will be back shortly....:D
http://i64.tinypic.com/68tyqv.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/s2r7ec.jpg

[vnemous]

Hence the 4 cyl looper and it wont be 300 hp (advertised). Have a great Memorial day weekend.

[AZMIDLYF]

Guessing these rigs are propped more for acceleration than top end. I agree with Tux where I would want the lightest motor on the back that would accomplish this.

[bayratpg]

I heard something about fuel.
My uneducated response/question is, what difference does it make if the motor or racer runs fuel (NO spray) and keeps HP under the approved 300?? Is the class unmolested stock motors only? I'm asking because i do not know.
To me once again (uneducated) feel that a 3.0L is not the motor for this class when running a light 22' boat.
To me the idea is to produce the max HP on a motor down low, get to 60 ASAP, keep the boat with proper control in the turns, accelerated well, setup to best hook up HP to water and keeping boat extremely well balanced especially under some of those conditions.

PS; I'm commenting on this thread because I have been around some of these guys from the beginning!!!


BTW, I have a few motors sitting waiting for the right transom along with this LITTLE PH under the cover built to run on the right SOB....:D Out for more parts will be back shortly....:D
http://i64.tinypic.com/68tyqv.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/s2r7ec.jpg
Tony, thank you SOOO much for the coils! And a big THANKS to Richie for all his time and efforts getting me going! Your coils seem to have resolved my problem. I'll be out testing today, I'll let you know what I think about the 3L. So far I can say that the protective fail safes, ie water pressure shutdown, have been problematic.

[bayratpg]

Good day of testing, Richie's motor ran like clock with Tony's coils. Caught some air in some snotty mixed chop out by Coney Island. No water pressure issues since Richie's mods this morning. Propped for 60, but still spanked the "80" mph jet ski's:)

[wickedwitthestix]

That's the best when these guys on the skis say they go 80 but u go right by them at 65 lol. U stop afterwords to bs n they say "how fast were you going 85?" And you show him your gps that says 68. And they say your gps is broke lol good stuff lol

[tux974]

Hence the 4 cyl looper and it wont be 300 hp (advertised). Have a great Memorial day weekend.

I say talk is cheap, bring it on....;):D What is one to do with 500hp on an 1000lb hull to run 60mph max....:confused: Seems to me a total waste....:thumbsup: Yes, you and the guys down there also!!!!.....:cheers:


Tony, thank you SOOO much for the coils! And a big THANKS to Richie for all his time and efforts getting me going! Your coils seem to have resolved my problem. I'll be out testing today, I'll let you know what I think about the 3L. So far I can say that the protective fail safes, ie water pressure shutdown, have been problematic.

Peter, very glad to been able to help!! When you r ready I have a little 100hp that will surely produce some serious whoop azz.....:D

IMPO, being this is a low budget/entry class the key factor is get a reliable motor, low maintenance, build it to turn rpms in a snap (sling shot style) and get the setup plus propping right to put that power to the water! I see no reason someone can not get a 250hp motor, maybe even less to push an 1000lb hull 60mph.
Yes, 3.0l are torque but nothing beats the throttle response of a healthy and well running 2.5EFI! Yes, the 3.0l can run but from what I have experienced it took time and distance to get it there, not good for this pin to pin racing.
I see no need to build an expensive 350+hp fire breather so big cheating I see it to be a waste.
Let's take a 280 for example. It produces the best power depending on box above 7k min so most of the time it is not even running at its potential in this class and if you do get it up there I'm sure you are out of the water or breaking out. What gets it there is the giddy up/throttle response.

[tux974]

I think what I have seen happen is this class is, many said hey this class is perfect for my 21-22' boat with a reliable let's say 2.5 200 that is setup for bay running or bay bombing enter the class and quickly find out oh this is not so easy. They find out that most of these guys are pretty serious so they either start finding ways to improve the boat, setup, upgrade motors etc to be able to become competitive or sadly totally drop out. Having a good setup bay/weekend family fun boat most probably not work in competition.
Even though it looks to be an affordable class it may not be so affordable for everyone when they need to just about redo and repower the entire boat. Once you start to add things up not to mention the traveling it does add up. JMPO.

[tux974]

The rules I wanted were to keep the class affordable and fair. There are only so many ponies in a 2.5 200 stell sleeve, stock porting, 135 compression. At 3000lbs gross, the speeds would be comparable and a guy could show up with an old carb motor and be competitive. Try that now. Not likely.

Peter, I get what you are saying but it will not break the bank to make that little 200 reliable and very competitive. Once again the key factor to me would be to get that motor hooked up to produce the 60mph in a snap, sling shot style out of a turn and in the straight a ways to next pin...JMO

[kbirdmon]

We are still talking about building a 4 cyl looper for the class and getting this rallysport up and running. Gotta give john norton a call and see what the hit is to put transome and stringers in it.


All composite and built for offshore but be strong and light. Killer acceleration I bet

[kbirdmon]

great pleasure boat these kryptonites are. Nicest 22' boat I ever owned
motor and hull completely legal. Been out in Friday all day Saturday. Taking kids tubing today and all day tomorrow
. Love it. Next stop Lake of the Ozarks
http://i68.tinypic.com/6rsyt1.jpg

[olboatman]

That's the best when these guys on the skis say they go 80 but u go right by them at 65 lol. U stop afterwords to bs n they say "how fast were you going 85?" And you show him your gps that says 68. And they say your gps is broke lol good stuff lol
Been there done that.... With white hair and a 35hp OMC on my SLT:p .... BUT unfortunatley not 68 mph ! :( lol Gary

[Baja170]

That's the best when these guys on the skis say they go 80 but u go right by them at 65 lol. U stop afterwords to bs n they say "how fast were you going 85?" And you show him your gps that says 68. And they say your gps is broke lol good stuff lol

There is one on the lake here that kept getting about 35 feet off the side of my Shadow running 75+MPH. I turned and ran away from him 3 times and he kept hiding and waiting for me to come back and try to run with me. You know how close I came from blasting him off that thing with my roost? I finally just hammered down and left him, but no ****, he was 75MPH GPS at least all day long and right beside me 3 times.

I got pulled over for a safety check later in the day and I asked the wildlife guys about him. They said they would ticket him if they saw that. Next time he gets the roost, if I know you and plan to run down the lake with you and we are close to each other one thing. Some ass on a 75MPH ski stalking you and running 35 feet away is about to get taught a lesson next time he does that **** to me. He lives here too because it was a weekday I saw him and I have seen him before during the week. Maybe I will see him on Tuesday when I take out the Intimidator, all the legal paperwork is done and the numbers were applied yesterday. :D

Tony, I want two of those power heads, please sell them to me man.


I have never seen a ski that fast before but some of my friends I told about it say they go faster than that. I saw two Can-AM or whatever MBRP that said 130HP on them yesterday at the marina.

[wickedwitthestix]

Stock the fastest ones go 70. But they all say 80+ lol. Some do go that fast but with a lot of mods. And your right. It's usually rookies on the skis giving them a bad name. I wouldn't run rail to rail with them either.....

[vnemous]

Stock the fastest ones go 70. But they all say 80+ lol. Some do go that fast but with a lot of mods. And your right. It's usually rookies on the skis giving them a bad name. I wouldn't run rail to rail with them either.....

I went to the boat ramp with my super and there were a couple of guys idling around and the asked me if my boat was fast. I said how fast is your jet ski and they proudly claimed 80mph, I responded with "Oh, well its way faster than that". They left. :D

[wickedwitthestix]

And 80 prob wasn't true anyway. But there clueless. They really believe the "dreamometer". And I'm the one with the broken gps.....

[vnemous]

I forget to say my X was still in break in from having my computer remapped and I still caught them with only 75% power:D

[Baja170]

They are everywhere here. One says 220HP on it, which I find kinda hard to believe. I will try to take a few photos of the crazy skis at the marina here. I have no cell signal there so my iphone is a PITA. The marina actually rents two that are 130 HP. I wonder what the insurance costs for that and who knows how much it costs per hour?

I have to say ,having a couple of pretty good running boats that were tested and setup in in LI is definitely a plus down here. On the weekends, I mainly just take out the wife's pontoon and glad I do. We sit in coves sip beer and watch the craziness and my wife is happy. Next time she has to work a weekend I am taking a fast boat out and shaking up those guys a bit. Why..... Why not.

[kbirdmon]

http://i63.tinypic.com/s5v9l5.jpg

see all the class 7 guys making trip in LOTO. meeting and practice Friday race sat.

[tux974]

Just did not think step bottom boats like turning especially sharp.

PS; Good Luck to all and most importantly be safe!.....:thumbsup:

[AZMIDLYF]

More pics I see of this hull the more I like its lines. :cheers:

I hope they have some live stream of you guys this time. :confused:

[kbirdmon]

Just did not think step bottom boats like turning especially sharp.

PS; Good Luck to all and most importantly be safe!.....:thumbsup:


me either brother trust me. I bought it more for a weekend boat w with kids after driving to every race last yr not sure who was in navigator seat.. So building a class 7 entry was only part of equation. But figured I been driving the challenger designed hulls since I'm 17 I'd give a step bottom a go. Lol. I haven't spun it yet thank God and turned it as hard is I could for only having 1 hour test time in the hull ever. Didn't do too bad in that last ocean race that's for sure. When I say conservative driving. Jack plate down and trim down and driving it through everything on motor and hull. Not lifting the boat out at all. Wanted to see how it felt. It held solid.
http://i67.tinypic.com/28mo8pk.jpg

[AZMIDLYF]

In those conditions I wouldn't think you could get very aggressive on trim and lift. Are you headed to LOTO? What are the conditions like there?

[kbirdmon]

last yr.... Bathtub racing. like glass.

[bayratpg]

Out at LOTO, took 29 1/2 hrs! Left Wed 1:30pm, arrived Thursday 6pm local time. 4hrs to get to GWB which put us in the middle of rush hr. Loooong trek. Beautiful resort town. Hot and rainy today and tomorrow. Flat as glass.

[joneill]

Have fun Pete

[Trimmed Out15]

Best of luck boys

[AZMIDLYF]

Unofficial...Bay Rat gets the win.

[vnemous]

Hopefully they didnt break out. Good showing for class 7. Good luck to all. If you won great job Pete

[joneill]

Any official news?

[tux974]

http://i68.tinypic.com/hu38td.jpg

[tux974]

Peter, has really been working very hard on making things come together, well deserved!!! Glad to see his hard work is paying off, good for you buddy.....:thumbsup:
I think I like to give him a new name "Loose Cannon"....;):D

[AZMIDLYF]

Bay Rat had the field covered for sure. Nice job guys! :cheers:

[Chaz]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Peter you guys sure deserve that iron . :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

The guys at my son's gym all think that picture of you from your last race is photoshopped . That's probably one of the best complements they could give you . To be able to "fly" a boat like that , puts you in a group of people with the skill and courage that few possess .

[Baja170]

Congratulations!!! Worth the drive? ;)

[Trimmed Out15]

Great job boys, keep those trophies in Long Island!

[vnemous]

Great job boys, keep those trophies in Long Island!

Keith its not the Stanley Cup. There is a new trophy for every race.:D

[Trimmed Out15]

Keith its not the Stanley Cup. There is a new trophy for every race.:D


Great job boys, keep those trophies in Long Island!

TROPHIES Uncle Mike, Trophies :)

[tux974]

great job boys, keep those trophies in long island!

THOSE......:confused:


trophies uncle mike, trophies :)

Keith, let's give him some abuse.......:reddevil::reddevil:

[AZMIDLYF]

What happened to the 23 Krypt? He was there and faded back. Mechanical?

[vnemous]

TROPHIES Uncle Mike, Trophies :)

Oh I thought they gave him a prop:D

[bayratpg]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=BWNxTU4wTEk
Thanks Guys:)

[Papp]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=BWNxTU4wTEk
Thanks Guys:)

Congrats man. Nice run! great job! at least I mad you find that trim switch... Hahah

then I got stuck sharing my bed with you some how???..your big ass left me like 12" all night.

[Fast Shafts]

then I got stuck sharing my bed with you some how???..your big ass left me like 12" all night.[/QUOTE]

OK..... whats up with that????

[Chaz]

OK..... whats up with that????

Racing on a budget ... no points deducted from the man card .... :D

[wickedwitthestix]

I don't see why the krypt ain't at or near the top of every race. When it comes to equpment they have far and away the best stuff. Brand new krypt a foot + bigger than the field not to mention a brand new etec 250 ho that makes around 275 hp. No disrespect to anyone but if I was in that boat we would have a flag. Unless ofcourse there's mechanical probs that are unforeseen. But instead of this 60 mph no breakout rule I've heard etec is willing to sponcer the class. Put 200 ho's on every boat and let Em rip. That lake race was not a race. It's whoever got infront u stay at 59 n change and if anyone passes you you know they broke out. Far from racing. Again not drivers fault. Don't kill the messenger. But things need to change and there would be a lot more enterences. Myself included. Food for thought. For opa apba jersey boys or whoever made that retarded rule. You put 200 hos on those boats most won't be going more then mid 60s 70 tops anyway.

[bayratpg]

Congrats man. Nice run! great job! at least I mad you find that trim switch... Hahah

then I got stuck sharing my bed with you some how???..your big ass left me like 12" all night.

I thought we agreed not to kiss and tell Steve! I bet Mongo would have kept his mouth shut! LOL

Look forward to seeing you both on and off the course, and I promise not to spoon you again;)

[bayratpg]

then I got stuck sharing my bed with you some how???..your big ass left me like 12" all night.

OK..... whats up with that????[/QUOTE]

Figured I stuck it to him all day, why stop! LOL

[bayratpg]

Racing on a budget ... no points deducted from the man card .... :D

Thanks Chaz:)

[mercracer2.5]

Congrats Pete. Good job buddy.

[bayratpg]

Congrats Pete. Good job buddy.
Thanks John, you and Captain Blackout too.

[bayratpg]

Congrats man. Nice run! great job! at least I mad you find that trim switch... Hahah

then I got stuck sharing my bed with you some how???..your big ass left me like 12" all night.

I thought we agreed not to kiss and tell Steve! I bet Mongo would have kept his mouth shut! LOL

Look forward to seeing you both on and off the course, and I promise not to spoon you again;)

[mercracer2.5]

Thanks John, you and Captain Blackout too.
:cheers:

[wickedwitthestix]

Crickets. That's what I thought.....again no offence to anyone. I just expected someone to chime in. But since I'm not a known member of the good ole boys and don't have 2500 posts I'm not taken seriously on this bored. I guess I'm not worth a responce. This is exactly why the real setupman/ wheel/sticks men don't post on here nomore. All I ask is the hard questions weather inside or outside the box they deserve a responce. I'm an educated boater with years and years if not decades in our sport and the points I bring up are legit and deserve a responce why not like in svl do they not use one power plant and let everybody rip it. A 200 ho would b perfect. Would put these most of these boats somewhere in the 60s. Not fast ehnough to hurt yaself. And not much faster as it is now. And then every week best team wins like it is in superstock ,svl and even superboat. That's racing. If those were the rules sign me up watching the lake race this past weekend was a joke. Not taking anything from bay rat because if those were the rules in that field most likely he still wins. But I believe there would be at least 3-5 more entries and that who knows what would happen. Someone out there has to agree with me they just don't have the balls to say it.

[Papp]

Passing someone doesn't mean you broke out. not sure where u got that one. its way harder to race inside the brake out yes... 10 times harder then if there wasn't one.... so your saying if it was easier you would race?

[wickedwitthestix]

No I'm saying if it was faster I would race. So yours saying if I'm say 200 meters ahead of u in a race like yest and I stay at 59 n change mph for the rest of the race you can pass me without breaking out? That's upserd to think that????vhow would you pass me without breaking out? And a gain I'm not trying to stir **** I'm just asking how is that possible. If I jump out to a early lead and than stay right at the 60 mph break out how can u go by me without breaking out???? To me racing is to see who's vehicle is fastest. Not to see who's boat can't stay the closest to 60 without going over. That seems to me like a speed trap on a highway lol. Again not saying it's easy not to break out over 60. Just saying that's not racing by deffiniton. Esiecially on a corse like lake of the ozarks where those boats set up right with the 300 hp max are capable of speeds close to 90 if not better. Ocean races quite different story but even in point pleasent I woulda been able to keep one of those boats well over 60 prob in the 70s. And that's when set up comes in. Yes it's a give n take. But the ozarks race the boats woulda been touching 80+. N the ocean race 65-70 pending on setback prop and whatnot. All I'm saying is let Em rip. If they don't it's not "racing"

[Chaz]

Stick ,
I think you got crickets for a few reasons .
#1 , the guys who were actually there wern't done funnin and teasin yet .
#2 , do you really need someone to pick apart your "ideas" for you ? (most has been covered , but you'll have to read)
#3 , I've raced or been part of racing with various teams for over 40 years , what I've noticed is that racers race and those that don't really want to , always find someone else to point a finger at as the reason they don't ... ;)

[wickedwitthestix]

Listen I was not picking apart any particular racer. I was picking apart the system. I did not mean any disrespect by it at all twowds anyone that actually does it. I respect them all a lot. I just think that racing in its purest form is not yea go ahead race but u can't go faster than so and so. Alotvof people that I hold in quite high reguard hold you in quite hard reguard. So it was by no means a shot at you. And I'm sure if u knew my pettagre you would agree with me. I was just simply stating that it would be a lot more fun with no limit. And if the governing body was that worried bout safty like I said just lower the max hp n let them have at it .... Does any class 7 racer disagree that if you all ran the exact same motor again let's say a etec 200 ho and not put a speed limit on the races Not only would it be a lot more fun. It would be a lot more competitive and would bring a lot more talented guys into to the class. And again no disrespect to the current class 7 field but all the best wheelmen that run sob's wouldn't b caught dead racing in class 7 with the rules as they sit. That's all I was saying. That's the hard truth. Ivsatcback for along time and listened to things like people can't break out in places like point plesant and ac. And thats strait horse s***. I'm not just some computor racer. I've piloted boats 90% of the people on here could only dream of but that's not the point I'm not hear to toot my own horn. I'm just stating it would b a lot more fun lowering the hp n letting them go. That racing. Not ok u guys can go race but no one is aloud over 60 mph. To me and a lot of other people it sounds boring. I'm deff not the only person that thinks this. I'm sorry if u disagree but anyone I speak to behind close doors say the same thst i do. And I apologize in advance to anyone that is offended by this opinion.

[wickedwitthestix]

I also find it quite insulting fotyou to call me a wannabe racer. When you have no idea who I am and what my pettagre is. I assure you if and when you find out who I am maybe my opinion would hold a bit more weight in your and others eyes. But I'm not one to jump on other coat tails to get reconition on this or any other site. For the few that know who I am know I'm in some position to be able to criticize things I'm not in agreeance with. But I'm hear to make my own name in the sport. And I assure you I will. On my own merit and in my own time. All I ask is that since I'm not one of the good ole boys for you to give me a shot on me. Not where I come from

[tux974]

Stix, I will take a stab at it!
What I think that was meant about reading (search) the info you are posting about has been discussed, presented, proposed etc numerous times to the OPA and after a few meeting the decision by many of the racers themself has been to keep the class the way it was started and designed.
Peter (BayRat) tried very hard end of last season to present (all run the same motor and HP plus make boats weigh the same rule) to the OPA this type of argument to only be shot down.
I think this would have made the setup and driving skills the key factor to produce a win! Not to mention a bit more affordable to the new guy considering entering the class.
Let me also say, stating "good old boy thing" is not helping your respect.
My suggestion is to say my name is ---------- for those who may not know you, I have been around this sport for many years present your thoughts and feelings on the class. Do not take things or the lack of response personally...JMPO!

[olboatman]

When I read the basic rules to this class of racing (on this thread) I compared this type of racing to bracket drag racing whether autos or boats. I did some bracket drag racing with a Mustang back in the day and it was NOT as easy as one may think.... and that was without the constant change that
racing on water has. After running offshore for many years ( in a 200 hp 22ft CC) to dive or fish , I have a LOT of respect for these boys out there taking the poundin and stayin upright! JMO Gary

[wickedwitthestix]

I'm just tired of people saying the way it is is better. Any real competitor knows it's complete bs. It's like telling little leaguers don't worry if u win or lose as long as you had fun crap lol. And I know bay rat tried and I comended him for it. It's called being a competitor. I also comend you for agreeing to your own extent. And at first I agreed with the 60 mph rule till I watched the lake race. It reminded me of a 12 and under go cart race where everyone gets a trophy. The point of a race is to go fast. Not to make sure you go slow. It's the exact opposite of a race. I just figured if ehnough people agreed with me maybe it would start to open the powers at be's eyes. But ofcorse not. And that why people on this site that are opinionated are vilified for thinking outside the box.

[tux974]

At this point and time I do not see rules or regulations changing. Expecially that many recently have made changes to keep up and stay competitive. They built or bought new motors, plus they made setup and boat changes to accommodate new power etc. I think if they made a rule change now many will drop out due to cost or feeling it is total BS......JMP thinking, I could be totally wrong!

I will say, if the majority of the actual racers like or feel comfortable with the rules and regulations as they are we from the side lines need to respect that!
So that being said, my personal suggestion do not get worked up, embrace the rules as they are even though they may not make sense and keep cheering them on!

[AZMIDLYF]

Both sides have merit..speed limit pretty much takes buying a win out of the equation but, it doesn't show which driver has the ability to push these hulls. Guessing that most of these guys are running them far below their talent.(said with total respect for what you guys can do)

[vnemous]

Thats whats great about America if you dont want to race like this you dont have to. The class was started because the founding fathers thought it would be and stay affordable. Ideally a 21-22 foot boat for a couple of thousand and a fishing motor and you were in business. Well you know how that goes, this guy wants more horsepower, this guy wants a nicer boat and some peeps have more if not a lot more money than others. So the only thing that had stayed consistent about the class is the 60 mph limit. Its tough to find any kinda race venue for smaller boats, hell we travel south all summer to 800' drag race because we cant find anything in the north east to go to. So again if its not for you or whom ever thats cool no ones making anyone join. JMO

[wickedwitthestix]

All good points it from what I heard e Tec was willing to sponcer the class and give every boat 200hos. Free power? How is that more expensive? If anything it's cheaper. Than you would see a boat like the 23 krypt have the advantage in ocean races. While Linder designs would have the advantage in the flat races. Similar to the old 525 class before the closed canopy. Team saris had a 29 krypto and they dominated in flat races. But in the ocean the y2ks had the advantage. Now that's racing. Not who can go the slowest. Cause if that class was limited to 70 or 75 mph it wouldn't matter the condition cause both boats can exceed that speed in any condition so again it would come down to who can drive the slowest Lol. Make no sence. Who thinks that racing??? Just because that's the way it is doesn't mean it's the correct way.

[kbirdmon]

All good points it from what I heard e Tec was willing to sponcer the class and give every boat 200hos. Free power? How is that more expensive? If anything it's cheaper. Than you would see a boat like the 23 krypt have the advantage in ocean races. While Linder designs would have the advantage in the flat races. Similar to the old 525 class before the closed canopy. Team saris had a 29 krypto and they dominated in flat races. But in the ocean the y2ks had the advantage. Now that's racing. Not who can go the slowest. Cause if that class was limited to 70 or 75 mph it wouldn't matter the condition cause both boats can exceed that speed in any condition so again it would come down to who can drive the slowest Lol. Make no sence. Who thinks that racing??? Just because that's the way it is doesn't mean it's the correct way.

I see you keep mentioning my set up. I ran an average speed of 58 mph. I blipped 61 once on first lap never broke out again until last lap 62.3 for six seconds total of 169'.
I ran the boat hard and watched speed whole time. Didn't figured I'd broke out at all and at that point could only hope a couple ahead would have. Ran a fantastic new prop watch how even every boat was at the start. After that I run my own race against mph not the other boats. It was a great race. Everyone ran hard and nobody broke that I know of. That's the whole concept of braket racing. I did it for 15 yrs in a 175+ mph car and am trying to get used to slowing the boat down here basically
65 may be fun in straights now sure who would not swim trying to do that in turns. I've turned Kryptonite at 62.5 in the bay around markers but that's much different than in lap traffic w boat wash around you. The field was tight and it was an awesome race. Way more competence than last yr or 2014 when we won. Boat counts growing and competition getting better every week. Look at lil squirt w his 1980's 200 taking second. It can still be won w small motors and older equipment. Either way my kids and I will be out on my boat tubing and enjoying mine this weekend between races

[vnemous]

There is no correct way. This is how this club races. I choose not to cause I dont like the break out either but I accept the clubs wish and just try to help the teams where we can. If Smitty wants to make everyone paint their boat pink they have the choice to paint or find another club to race with. Pretty simple.

Etec? I assume you mean BRP, offered free motors? We are a full service BRP dealer and would love to talk to the person who made that offer. Maybe we could help get it done.

[wickedwitthestix]

I just heard that through this site. Someone mentioned it. I didn't just make it up. Idk if it's true or not. And I wasn't calling out the krypt boat. You made my point in fact. You weren't racing other boats you were racing yourself and your own speed. To me that's not racing. And I'm not stupid. I know your not gunna take turns in a step vee in croswaves at 80 and what not but coming out of a turn and being able to hit the gas would be nice. In no way shape or form was I taking shots at you. I love the boat. I just wish you can run it as it was intended. I own q Linder design and where you might not be as nimble as that hull I assure you you should have no problem taking turns at 60 in most any condition. Give yaself some time. It won't happen over night. But if u all ran the same power witch you should there is no good reason to limit you at 60 when most of those boats w minimal setback set up for ruff water won't be going much faster than 60 anyway. Than on a lake races you can add a lil more set back and a bigger wheel and make the boat a lil faster for the flatter conditions

[Baja170]

[QUOTE=bayratpg;2863566]I agree with alot of what Stix has to say. I tried to get the guys to agree to a set of rules that would have been very affordable and very competitive for "RACERS".

2.5 200 stock steel sleeve motors, 135 compression (carbs, efi, play with what you want as long as the stick porting was maintained.) This would keep everyone in the 200-250ish range

3000lb min race ready weight, crew included.

20-22' Linder style hulls. Tabs and setback not to exceed 22'

No stepped hulls.

NO GPS (boats would run 65ish)

I presented this last season and thought it would be happily embraced and approved.
OPA was willing to go for it.
THE RACERS BITCHED OUT! Not enough guys were willing to play FAIR. They made many excuses, even saying I was trying to build a class where I would have the advantage. I WOULD HAVE HAD TO ADD A FEW HUNDRED POUNDS TO COME UP TO WEIGHT!
I even suggested it as a step-up class from class 7 for guys who wanted to really race only. This would have besn optional, Class 7 to remain unchanged for the "EVERYONE GETS A TROPHY" guys. It would have allowed guys to still come in with boats from their driveway with different power and weight to try it out to see if they wanted to step up.
OPA didn't want to break up the class, and although I thought it would have increased the entrants, I respect their decision.
Call OPA, send a pic of your boat, and pay the membership dues. If I had more new guys willing to put their money where their mouth is, we would have gotten the approval!
I REPEAT, IT WAS THE DECISION OF THE OTHER CLASS 7 GUYS to stay with these rules. I was strongly considering quitting altogether but was convinced to come back and KICK THEIR ASSES with THEIR rules. We had to build a 3L to keep up with the 3L, 3.4L and racing 260's and 280's, some running on race fuel. We figured if we beat them with their rules, they'd be BEGGING for my rules! Pt Pleasant we were still sorting out the new motor which kept going into "guardian" mode. Lake Race, we were set up and running well. We'll see how AC goes. The other hulls have more deadrise, running surface and beam, but some still say we have an advantage. We get our balls handed to us in the rough, but we try to STAY ON IT. The most difficult part for us has been holding back. We want to RACE. Some other guys want to have hp and/or hull advantages. Some just dont have the SKILL or the BALLS to be competitive. I say fine, stay in class 7 as is, or STAY HOME!
If enough guys who run their mouths/keyboards stepped up, contacted OPA and paid the membership and showed up to a race, they'd likely approve my proposed rules.
AGAIN, IT WAS THE VOTE OF THE CLASS 7 GUYS THAT HELD MY RULES FROM APPROVAL. NOT OPA. Some were for it, at least when face to face with me.

Now, "ARMCHAIR RACERS", PUT UP, SHUT UP AND SHOW UP!" There are some of us in Class 7 that WANT TO RUN YOU! Win or lose, we wanna race!
I know their are plenty of guys that say they would run if their was no gps, let's see who of you are full of **** and who are for real!
In the meantime I'm going to try to kick their ass with their rules.
COME HELP US OUT!

No disrespect to most, but MUCH DISRESPECT TO THE MARY'S!
I'm on your side Stix.
Most Sincerely,
The BayRats

BTW, THAT WAS "ROLL CALL"

When you got TL on your side, anything is possible. Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kick ass!

I don't have near the funds, or the time to race and I would be divorced if I devoted the time. I have the boat, just not the money or the time.

[bayratpg]

BTW again, my top speed for the Lake Race was 60.8 as read on my disply on my $2000 OPA gps. Anyone who calls "bull****", call it to my face and I'll show you my saved max speed from the race.

[wickedwitthestix]

So the truth is starting to come out....thanks Bayrat. I still stick to the fact that I respect all that run in class 7. But to me the deffinition of a race is to see who can go the fastest for the longest amount of time. Not who can stay the closest to a certain number without going over. And anyone that's racing in that class your bound to break out cause say your running 59 or 58.5. U get a gust to your back or a certain wave at a certain angle can put u over 60 any givin second. So does that mean your run at 56-57 so that is unlikely to happen? And again much respect to all of u. Especially Bayrat. But call it what it is. It's more of a glorified poker run than a actual race.

[bayratpg]

[QUOTE=bayratpg;2863570]

When you got TL on your side, anything is possible. Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kick ass!

I don't have near the funds, or the time to race and I would be divorced if I devoted the time. I have the boat, just not the money or the time.

Have you seen my boat?? I dont have the money either! But I scrounge and have a few small sponsors. No kids, so I can make the time. Its alot of fun on the course and at the parties:)

[bayratpg]

So the truth is starting to come out....thanks Bayrat. I still stick to the fact that I respect all that run in class 7. But to me the deffinition of a race is to see who can go the fastest for the longest amount of time. Not who can stay the closest to a certain number without going over. And anyone that's racing in that class your bound to break out cause say your running 59 or 58.5. U get a gust to your back or a certain wave at a certain angle can put u over 60 any givin second. So does that mean your run at 56-57 so that is unlikely to happen? And again much respect to all of u. Especially Bayrat. But call it what it is. It's more of a glorified poker run than a actual race.

Its racing, but could be better of course. Some guys run 56-57, go for a Sunday cruise and hope for the guys up front racing to break out. I was accused of breaking out. They couldn't understand how I could be so far ahead. We run on the edge of the speed until we're out front. We take the turns hard. We set the boat up to try to maintain the speed through the turns. If you gain .5 seconds in 14 turns, you're 7 seconds ahead. That's how you win! Not by chinewalking 57 and crying when you get beaten.

[wickedwitthestix]

Yea I saw that 100%. U might have been a boat leanth or so ahead going into turn 1 and came out 3 leanths ahead. So I'm gunna ask you this and weather you answer publicly on this bored or not id still like to know. Obvi you have some kinda time in Linder design hulls...is your hull that much more nimble than the other hulls or...... Well we know what the other answer to that question is lol

[bayratpg]

Yea I saw that 100%. U might have been a boat leanth or so ahead going into turn 1 and came out 3 leanths ahead. So I'm gunna ask you this and weather you answer publicly on this bored or not id still like to know. Obvi you have some kinda time in Linder design hulls...is your hull that much more nimble than the other hulls or...... Well we know what the other answer to that question is lol

I've only driven a 21 SB center console a loooong time ago. We used to take it to Fire Island Inlet just to launch it. They are definitely a softer ride in the rough in my opinion. Never tried cornering hard in it so I can't compare there. It sure appears that the Ghost is better in the turns than the others though.

[Baja170]

[QUOTE=Baja170;2863571]

Have you seen my boat?? I dont have the money either! But I scrounge and have a few small sponsors. No kids, so I can make the time. Its alot of fun on the course and at the parties:)

I got no excuse other than a wife with MS and trying to help pay all our bills. You know I have keith's intimidator.

I always wanted to race as a kid, I got my first boat at 8YO but now I am old and battered and can't take time to travel and break my stuff or be away from the family, we have a 15YO who will soon have a 18' Raptor next week.

I would be happy to help you in any way I can and if you ever want to come to extreme North eastern TN and hang out and run your boat or drive mine on a super gorgeous and 16 flat out mile hauling ass lake with a nice place to stay (our retirement house) you are welcome any time. Wives can hang on my wife's pontoon. Any friend of Tony's is a friend of mine. Plus I LOVE what you are doing. You go man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ever hit the gas on a twin Shadow with a couple 260's on it? That is why I first posted in this thread thinking the 60MPH thing was odd. The Shadow is CRAZY, at 80+ you can stomp it and feel like your seat is going to rip off the floor. I guess I am still an adrenalin junkie.

[bayratpg]

[QUOTE=bayratpg;2863614]

I got no excuse other than a wife with MS and trying to help pay all our bills. You know I have keith's intimidator.

I always wanted to race as a kid, I got my first boat at 8YO but now I am old and battered and can't take time to travel and break my stuff or be away from the family, we have a 15YO who will soon have a 18' Raptor next week.

I would be happy to help you in any way I can and if you ever want to come to extreme eastern TN and hang out and run your boat or drive mine you are welcome any time. Wives can hang on my wife's pontoon. Any friend of Tony's is a friend of mine. Plus I LOVE what you are doing. You go man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Baja! No kids and no wife either:) Unless there's an OPA race in Tennessee, I doubt I'll be there.

[wickedwitthestix]

It would be sac-religious if u used the intimidator in class 7. That boat is way to beautiful to beat up for no reason. And it's set up for big#. Even w a 200 on the transom it's prob a close to 80 mph boat it's so light. If you ever found a beater and was serious I'm game. I wouldn't do it with my 21 either so I don't blame ya lol

[bayratpg]

It would be sac-religious if u used the intimidator in class 7. That boat is way to beautiful to beat up for no reason. And it's set up for big#. Even w a 200 on the transom it's prob a close to 80 mph boat it's so light. If you ever found a beater and was serious I'm game. I wouldn't do it with my 21 either so I don't blame ya lol

There are a cpl 21's for sale by the Jersey kids. I can put you in contact with them.

[wickedwitthestix]

Yea I have a Linder 21. I'm Gunna buy a 2nd boat but it's more Likely to be a cabin boat. Don't want 2 of the same boats. If someone needed a guy though I'd be game

[Baja170]

It would be sac-religious if u used the intimidator in class 7. That boat is way to beautiful to beat up for no reason. And it's set up for big#. Even w a 200 on the transom it's prob a close to 80 mph boat it's so light. If you ever found a beater and was serious I'm game. I wouldn't do it with my 21 either so I don't blame ya lol

If you think the Intimidator is beautiful, you should see the Shadow I got from ChrisM. The Intimidator is purpose built to be a race boat. The Shadow is SWEET plush nice and almost as fast. I know you were joking and I know I have worked very hard for what I have. I can't believe some of the boats you guys race and beat to hell.

[bayratpg]

Roll Call!

[wickedwitthestix]

If you think the Intimidator is beautiful, you should see the Shadow I got from ChrisM. The Intimidator is purpose built to be a race boat. The Shadow is SWEET plush nice and almost as fast. I know you were joking and I know I have worked very hard for what I have. I can't believe some of the boats you guys race and beat to hell.
I'm suprised you don't own a cat

[Baja170]

I used to.

[wickedwitthestix]

You obvi do your boating on a lake or river. Any thought of possibly doing a 16 tuff? We got wild man doing a 28. Dirk doing a 21. But no 16 in the US. Would be cool to see someone make one fast. I'm not buying the 90 hp max. But than again even with a 90 it smokes clSs 7 boats haha jk guys. Don't get all crazy

[Baja170]

Talon Twister or Argo will be my next cat if the day comes. If I can't do it 100% I'll skip it. If I can spend 60K+ and pay cash for a lake cat, then I would entertain another cat. Our lake is a lot rougher than most lakes. Steep mountains and 16 miles located west to east where the mountains act like a venturi. The Linder boats I have smoke anything on the lake that I can find, the Shadow scares the 85K bass boats away they pull into coves. If I get another cat, it is going to be right. I am cool with what I have.

Sorry to derail the thread.

I like boats that fill the garage. 14'+ is like my first 1964 Arkansas Traveler I got when I was 8.

[bayratpg]

You obvi do your boating on a lake or river. Any thought of possibly doing a 16 tuff? We got wild man doing a 28. Dirk doing a 21. But no 16 in the US. Would be cool to see someone make one fast. I'm not buying the 90 hp max. But than again even with a 90 it smokes clSs 7 boats haha jk guys. Don't get all crazy

Stix, no sooner do I find you some 21's for sale do you immediately change the subject of the thread! ;). I also know of at least two potential local teams that need a partner. What are you going to talk about now, pontoons??? :) LOL
Seriously though, pm me about the guys who need teammates.

[mragu]

Roll Call!

:D Crickets

[wickedwitthestix]

21 n 24.....thanks for the offer but there's no way I can buy another boat as I just bought my first house. Only 28. Maybe in a few years

[bayratpg]

21 n 24.....thanks for the offer but there's no way I can buy another boat as I just bought my first house. Only 28. Maybe in a few years

Congrats on the house. You're obviously more responsible than I. I'm 42, no house, no wife, no kids.
BUT I HAVE A RACE BOAT:)

Roll Call!

[bayratpg]

:D Crickets

is that from a movie or something?

[Baja170]

21 n 24.....thanks for the offer but there's no way I can buy another boat as I just bought my first house. Only 28. Maybe in a few years

Awesome, I did not own my first home until I was 33. Good for you. I did own boats though but rented. That was when rent was cheap and home loans were 10% interest we paid on our first place.

Good luck finding someone with some extra $$ to help the two teams bayratpg (http://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?30976-bayratpg).
The more in the class the more fun it is to WIN!!

[AZMIDLYF]

Stix, no sooner do I find you some 21's for sale do you immediately change the subject of the thread! ;). I also know of at least two potential local teams that need a partner. What are you going to talk about now, pontoons??? :) LOL
Seriously though, pm me about the guys who need teammates.

Wicked...looks like an opportunity to sign on the dotted line bubba. AC is usually a big water course so the talent will rise to the top. :cool:

[bayratpg]

Awesome, I did not own my first home until I was 33. Good for you. I did own boats though but rented. That was when rent was cheap and home loans were 10% interest we paid on our first place.

Good luck finding someone with some extra $$ to help the two teams bayratpg (http://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?30976-bayratpg).
The more in the class the more fun it is to WIN!!

I need some more sponsorship. We had to siphon the boat tank into the truck somewhere south of Reading! Had to wait for a buddy to put $100 in my account so the EZ Pass worked on the Jersey Tpk. No BS.

[Papp]

[QUOTE=bayratpg;2863566]I agree with alot of what Stix has to say. I tried to get the guys to agree to a set of rules that would have been very affordable and very competitive for "RACERS".

2.5 200 stock steel sleeve motors, 135 compression (carbs, efi, play with what you want as long as the stick porting was maintained.) This would keep everyone in the 200-250ish range

3000lb min race ready weight, crew included.

20-22' Linder style hulls. Tabs and setback not to exceed 22'

No stepped hulls.

NO GPS (boats would run 65ish)

I presented this last season and thought it would be happily embraced and approved.
OPA was willing to go for it.
THE RACERS BITCHED OUT! Not enough guys were willing to play FAIR. They made many excuses, even saying I was trying to build a class where I would have the advantage. I WOULD HAVE HAD TO ADD A FEW HUNDRED POUNDS TO COME UP TO WEIGHT!
I even suggested it as a step-up class from class 7 for guys who wanted to really race only. This would have besn optional, Class 7 to remain unchanged for the "EVERYONE GETS A TROPHY" guys. It would have allowed guys to still come in with boats from their driveway with different power and weight to try it out to see if they wanted to step up.
OPA didn't want to break up the class, and although I thought it would have increased the entrants, I respect their decision.
Call OPA, send a pic of your boat, and pay the membership dues. If I had more new guys willing to put their money where their mouth is, we would have gotten the approval!
I REPEAT, IT WAS THE DECISION OF THE OTHER CLASS 7 GUYS to stay with these rules. I was strongly considering quitting altogether but was convinced to come back and KICK THEIR ASSES with THEIR rules. We had to build a 3L to keep up with the 3L, 3.4L and racing 260's and 280's, some running on race fuel. We figured if we beat them with their rules, they'd be BEGGING for my rules! Pt Pleasant we were still sorting out the new motor which kept going into "guardian" mode. Lake Race, we were set up and running well. We'll see how AC goes. The other hulls have more deadrise, running surface and beam, but some still say we have an advantage. We get our balls handed to us in the rough, but we try to STAY ON IT. The most difficult part for us has been holding back. We want to RACE. Some other guys want to have hp and/or hull advantages. Some just dont have the SKILL or the BALLS to be competitive. I say fine, stay in class 7 as is, or STAY HOME!
If enough guys who run their mouths/keyboards stepped up, contacted OPA and paid the membership and showed up to a race, they'd likely approve my proposed rules.
AGAIN, IT WAS THE VOTE OF THE CLASS 7 GUYS THAT HELD MY RULES FROM APPROVAL. NOT OPA. Some were for it, at least when face to face with me.

Now, "ARMCHAIR RACERS", PUT UP, SHUT UP AND SHOW UP!" There are some of us in Class 7 that WANT TO RUN YOU! Win or lose, we wanna race!
I know their are plenty of guys that say they would run if their was no gps, let's see who of you are full of **** and who are for real!
In the meantime I'm going to try to kick their ass with their rules.
COME HELP US OUT!

No disrespect to most, but MUCH DISRESPECT TO THE MARY'S!
I'm on your side Stix.
Most Sincerely,
The BayRats

BTW, THAT WAS "ROLL CALL"

i am down for what ever a spec class would be bad ass! Would be the most exciting class to watch I bet.

[bayratpg]

I figured you would be Papp. Remember, I told you in the meeting in Feb:)

[wickedwitthestix]

Bayrat Lmk. I'll take a spin with a driver if needed.

[mragu]

is that from a movie or something?

Crickets on the internet is when someone is called out but no one responds. Like when you are sitting in the woods and all you hear is the sound of crickets. I have nothing but respect for the guys who pound it out in a 21' boat in the Ocean. Keeping it at or near 60 in those conditions in a 21' boat is nothing sort of impressive. So the lake race would test a drivers skill and give you guys a break for your backs for one weekend. Alot of this chatter sounds like some parents of the kids I coach in football who can do a better job coaching than I. To them I respond, whistles are $5 at Modells and we always need coaches. I have said that to a few parents and all I ever hear after I say it, is "Crickets".
Keep racing and competing!!!

[wickedwitthestix]

Hey now. I want credit for the "crickets" comment haha jk

[wickedwitthestix]

Btw Bayrat. No wife no kids. Your doing something right lol

[bayratpg]

Hey now. I want credit for the "crickets" comment haha jk

Stix, what DON'T you want credit for??? :)

[wickedwitthestix]

Lol that was a joke. I guess this is gunna go south

[bayratpg]

Lol that was a joke. I guess this is gunna go south

Let's get back to class 7 and the prospects of a spec motor class. 2.5 200 stock steel sleeve. That allows for fishing motors, Promax's and the 200ros I believe.

[wickedwitthestix]

One of u guys said something bout etec 200s n them sponcering. I'm not sure who or on what thread but I deff read it

[bayratpg]

One of u guys said something bout etec 200s n them sponcering. I'm not sure who or on what thread but I deff read it

Ther was mention of it last year but it never came to fruition. Steel sleeve, stock port height, 135psi allows for a variety of motors from old carbed fishing motors up to the 200ros still in production. Its close to spec and allows any budget to get involved and not have a big advantage or disadvantage.

[wickedwitthestix]

U don't think a brand new ros has an advantage over a 97 2.5 200 fishing motor? Granted nothing crazy but ehnough to make the diff between a win n loss. That yellow 21 w the ros on back w no setback is going 75. No fishing motor is doing that. Prob not even 70

[bayratpg]

U don't think a brand new ros has an advantage over a 97 2.5 200 fishing motor? Granted nothing crazy but ehnough to make the diff between a win n loss. That yellow 21 w the ros on back w no setback is going 75. No fishing motor is doing that. Prob not even 70

You can mod the fishing motor as long as the sleeves are left alone and the compression is 135.
3000lbs wont see 75, more like 65
the idea was to move towards the ROS without forcing anyone to have to buy a brand new motor

[bayratpg]

ROLL CALL RACERS!

This is what happened over the winter. Lot's of guys SAY they would race spec class with no gps, then... (Finish the sentence Ragu)

[mragu]

roll call racers!

This is what happened over the winter. Lot's of guys say they would race spec class with no gps, then... (finish the sentence ragu)

crickets!!!!!!!!!!
​

[mragu]

roll call racers!

This is what happened over the winter. Lot's of guys say they would race spec class with no gps, then... (finish the sentence ragu)


​crickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bayratpg]

Another couple days and still...... Ragu?

[AZMIDLYF]

You guys racing in AC this weekend?

[bayratpg]

You guys racing in AC this weekend?

We're in.

[AZMIDLYF]

Cool...hopefully I can find a stream. :cheers:

[bayratpg]

Cool...hopefully I can find a stream. :cheers:

Stream?

[AZMIDLYF]

Live video stream of the race

[mercracer2.5]

Go to OPAracing.org on sunday around 11, if the race is a live stream, you will see a link on the OPA web sight.

[bayratpg]

Go to OPAracing.org on sunday around 11, if the race is a live stream, you will see a link on the OPA web sight.

I was told by OPA there will be NO livefeed.

[tux974]

Good luck guys and most importantly be safe all!.....:thumbsup:

[AZMIDLYF]

How'd you boys do today?

[tux974]

1- BayRat, 2- Hagin-N-Bagin, 3- Kbird but this was an early report NOT official till after award dinner.
Congrats to all either way....:cheers: Also heard it was a snotty race.

[tux974]

Officially BayRat took 1st! Congrats Peter!.....:cheers:

http://i63.tinypic.com/2mmwlqh.jpg

[tux974]

A little air and flying straight, great job!.....:thumbsup:
http://i63.tinypic.com/8zgob6.jpg

[AZMIDLYF]

Couple of fit looking boys running this rig!! Respect...

[Trimmed Out15]

Big dudes for sure! Congrats boys, well deserved

[mragu]

Bayrat, You guys are soft!:D I'd like to see the guys who knock the 60MPH breakout get over 45 in that snot. Congrats to you and your partner!!!! Cricket Ragu

[AZMIDLYF]

While not Class 7...just saw this video that shows how snotty it was out there. Cool viewpoint too.


https://youtu.be/oU67rEylEOs

[goneby]

Nice job Bay Rat congrats

[bayratpg]

[QUOTE=tux974;2867281]Officially BayRat took 1st! Congrats Peter!.....:cheers:


Thanks Tony, and for all your help!

[tux974]

Peter, its all you.....your hard work does pay off.......well deserved.....:thumbsup:

[tux974]

Really glad to see the LI guys doing well!
Peter (bayrat) and John (Hangin-N-Bangin).........:thumbsup:

[AZMIDLYF]

Some nice shots of the Class 7 flight crews: :cheers:

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[bayratpg]

[QUOTE=AZMIDLYF;2867588]Some nice shots of the Class 7 flight crews: :cheers:

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This shot is better.

[AZMIDLYF]

:cheers:

[mercracer2.5]

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[bayratpg]

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Always tryin to show me up Mr Hangin N Bangin!
But you don't have a Sherpa do you;)

[mercracer2.5]

No Sherpa for me Buddy, he is a one of a kind

[Ghost S84]

BayRat way to represent keep it up!

[joneill]

Great pics guys, love to see them.

[gotboostedvr6]

You guys think this would be a good hull for this class?

http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?318134-21-Cigarette-Outboard-No-power

[vnemous]

Yes:D I gat a friend looking for a little Avanti kinda the same thing.

[AZMIDLYF]

I know they were running them in the APBA in the 80s and winning championships. :rolleyes:

[Fast Shafts]

I know they were running them in the APBA in the 80s and winning championships. :rolleyes:

Specifically, what boat are you talking about? I don't remember any 21 Cigarette outboards winning any championships in the 1980's ???

[mike merola]

OPA president Ed Smith has the right to make up his own rules ,his own mind and he owns the OPA. He his the final say in the matter

[kbirdmon]

the spec class was not voted out. There was never a vote For the spec class. The email came around with the votes. Anyone who voted knows exactly what the OPA members voted on. Not my boat. My boat measures 22'8" and it was not voted in. It was decided by smitty when he spoke to Kirk from kryptonite.

[kbirdmon]

Read the rules. Lol If there was any cheating going on it would have been addressed by officials. Guy your winning and still crying. Great way to represent a class.


QUOTE=bayratpg;2872976]You shouldn't engage with me Fester. Now we'll see how my fist feels in your mouth you CHEATING BITCH. Shame your parents are so nice, sorry they will have to witness. That's why they come to all the races, they know what a bitch you are and still feel responsible to protect you.
RUN YOUR MOUTH AGAIN AND I MAY DRIVE TO JERSEY. I'LL ALREADY BE IN SAYERVILLE THIS WEEKEND.[/QUOTE]