new definition of a liberal

[Bones]

one who thinks it's ok to kill saddam, only if you have the technolgy to go back and kill him while he is still a fetus.

[Raceman]

I seriously doubt that you'll find many liberals that think it's okay to kill him. I think they'd want to arrest him, furnish him with defense lawyers who'd explain his actions off to a rough childhood, pamper him, psycho analize him, understand him, rehabilitate him, and early release him back to do the same things again.

I say, in the event that he's captured, that we stick him in a cell with Jane Fonda and Hillary Clinton pictures covering the walls, glue his eyelids open and make him watch Dixie Chix videos 24/7.

[Techno]

Probabably being a liberal I have an answer for what I would like if they capture him.
Let the Iraqis judge him and sentance as they seem fit. After all he's theirs. They're the injured party. I don't know all the factions but following our 12 juryist system you would have to get some of the tribes he tried to kill of too.

What do you think they would do?

[sho305]

I got a nice 18 volt cordless drill they can use :)

[RedAllison]

you described what most Damocraps would do to him. Any liberal wouldnt do a DAMN THING (thats what they are best at). They would let him amass WMD and terrorize the Middle East and disrupt the economies of the free world through uncertainty in the oil markets. Then the liberals would prevent the various intelligence sources in the U.S. from having enough money in their budgets so that the agencies couldnt uncover the weapons Saddam sold to various terrorists groups. (But they wouldnt mind giving that money to their constituants through SSI and Welfare!)Then once those terrorist groups brought those weapons over here and gassed, diseased and nuked us... then and ONLY then would a liberal do ANYTHING about it. What would they do? Well hell then they would tell us, "Well America deserved it!!!".

THANK GOD the Floridians couldnt punch those ballots (hey technically we could blame the war on them in that case?),
RA

[Techno]

OOh! OOOh!
I got that one.

A conservative would arm and support him!!!!

[RedAllison]

when are you gonna GROW UP and realize that that arguement is worthless and weak? Our supporting Sadaam had NOTHING to do with who was in office at the time. We armed him to fight our bigger enemies in Russia and Iran, duhhhhhhhh. He became "The Butcher of Baghdad" AFTER he was armed and rose to power in the Arab realm.

KNOW YOUR DAMN ROLE,
RA

[Techno]

Of course it doesn't because he was a conservative. conservatives aren't responsible for thier actions- only liberals are.
If he had been a liberal you would be dancing to the tune you previously stated.
Which I might add was a very strong and valuable argument.

[sho305]

conservatives aren't responsible for thier actions- only liberals are.

Do you really think with 95+% liberal support in the US media a republican President could hump an intern, and have all the other misty deaths and doings happen, and still be popular and in office their full term??? Get his wife elected in a trasplant town? That a congessman could badmouth the Jews and have it show up in the news for a day instead of the weeks for Lott saying something likely less sensitive or timely? You see how Gingrich was run out for speaking up, yet what about the trash Daschle is spouting? With nearly all the media in news, movies, schools, and tv controled by the liberal agenda, they have the balls to complain about AM radio??? Come on, get real.

The fact that the liberals are so powerful, have most all of the bases covered; yet are now failing has them very worried and desperate. They have lost two elections in a row, and now have dents in their media domination machine for the first time. Why?

Could it be the negative effects on our society showing up?

I just don't remember conservative protests ever blocking traffic, costing one million dollars in extra wages, or even being on any news show for that matter...if there ever was one. I guess I reserve the right to be incorrect there; please enlighten me. :)

[RedAllison]

Techno so "bravely" pointed out that his liberalness and similar buttbuddies are responsible for their actions. WELL A DAMNED MEN! The truth FINALLY comes out!

Liberals dont have ANYTHING to be responsible for because they dont ever DO anything! Thats one a 4 year old can figure out. Thats why libbys take such a gutless stance. They dont have to be responsible for a DAMN THING!

I'm waiting for your next Einstein moment!
:o RA

[Techno]

I don't see any diff between liberals and conservatives ( democrats/republicans) They're both (professional) politicians and neither seems to be following the ideas.
I get a good chuckle though from people who act like it's a football game and side with one or the other, like it really makes a diff.


I ask only one question- Have you ever seen the job application for a person running for office?
I've only seen the ads that say either real gargabe or just garbage information.

[RedAllison]

dont change the subject now, thats classic Clintonian. Come on keep it up, your on such a roll. So typical, defeat/disarm (tho thats not really so, they are so scared of guns. They think ONLY their own bodyguards should be able to possess them!) a liberal and they just change the subject...

"When your runnin down our country hoss, your walkin on the fightin side of me",
RA

[Techno]

So I'm a liberal because you say so. And being a liberal I then fall under all these wierd fears you have of liberals. Why do you fear liberals so and where did you get the idea of this mold for them?
Can you show anywhere at anytime I have ever said we should disarm? I guess I didn't have to say it since your so good at speaking for me.
I changed the subject. Since as you say I'm a lLiberal I need help here. What was the subject and what did I change it to?

Should I follow your lead and call you a fascist boot stomper because you wish to squash everyones elses freedoms except those who you think qualify? Which country is it that your ready to fight for? Is it the old USSR that pulled people out of thier houses for dissenting? Or is it Nazi germany where they just indiscrimately chose who should have rights and those who shouldn't? From your views I think it to be the latter.
Surely it isn't America your talking about as your country.

As to your reasoning abitliies I suppose your posts would make you what you call a conservative.
Your last response says liberals don't do anything, but your happy that they are responsible ??? What is that supposed to mean? Your happy you have someone to blame with out the labor of thinking?

You say Saddam was a butcher AFTER we armed him But that doesn't count.
He gained power by killing off his opponants and anyone who might be. He did this before our support. He did much more than this and did it all before we ever came along.

Oh but you say that we had no intelligence community to discover what he was. Oh no wait we still had it then so how could the president not know? I'm sure you have a reason? I get confused easily, so I get this makes me a liberal. I don't have the ability of selective memory as you do.
Reagan was I believe one of your gods? You of course don't find anything wrong with selling arms that I and other Americans paid for, and then giving the money to Iran? Wasn't Iran an enemy? The country that siezed our embassy? Oh no it was Reagan that had made a deal with that country, thats right. His good buddies. He managed to do this before he ever became the president.

Following your ideals only the people who served in the US military actually have the right to have any opinion. Have you served and in what countries military? Was it Americas?
If you haven't served- and in the US of As military I think you should stop your attemps at being a liberal.
I guess you would consider it a liberal idea that all citizens of this country have the right to think for themselves. That is against the party line isn't it? And you are a good party member in good standing aren't you? Your dues are up to date?

[sho305]

I'm not going to rag you, I just think it is a mistake to stray from the ideals that have allowed America to be so successful. If you compare us to any liberal/communist/whatever country we have them beat. The ultra liberal Daschle think will kill America if allowed to grow. Check out the cost of living in CA. Check out the crime rates in big liberal cities; I think it shows the results. Our conservative past made us rich and now the liberals are making us poor like the rest of the world.

I don't agree 100% with any of them, but I am sure there will be plenty on each side to even the field if one were to loose power like the liberals are now. Likely they will cool off, much like Daschle is now in high-speed reverse, and now supports the war if only to save his career. Two faced. Everyone wants a perfect world, but it is not and you can't buy one either.

So when are those liberals going to move out of the USA??? They said they would. Just like they said Saddom had nothing to do with terrorism; and we are bombing terrorist groups, camps, and his military that he has now ordered to do terrorsist acts throughout the world. Nah, he is a nice guy and would never do that? You think maybe our government knows more about Iraq than they said? You think maybe some good people want to stop the blood in the Middle East?

I think conservatives do things, and liberals like to bitch about things; in general. I check CNN sometimes to be fair, but I can't take it for long because it is so depressing and "doomsday" thinking. The liberals are such a downer, how can that help anything? They can't/couldn't come up with a viable solution so they just complain. That is counter-productive. It is the job of babies to cry, not adults.

[RedAllison]

Tech, would love to "debate" the ideaologies wif ya, but ever the liberal, you have to have THE last word. The ultimate trump card and "subject changer" of the liberal is Reagan. The man simply did what he felt was right and while not perfect, he simply did SOMETHING unlike the slacker he replaced. (And no he is not a "GOD" of mine as I only have one true GOD, he of course was my favorite however! Presidents are mere flesh and blood and while expected to perform so at times, they arent perfect.)

Sho, I couldntve said it better myself, let history speak for itself!
RA

[Raceman]

"I ask only one question- Have you ever seen the job application for a person running for office?"

No, but the following was circulated around the internet, and if true would've made a pretty dismal job application if it had been circulated prior to 1992. Of course that was before Al Gore invented the internet:


Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting
all
contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Given Selective
Service Number 3 26 46 228.

Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968.

Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.

Bill Clinton dishonors order to report and is not inducted into the
military.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army
Reserves on August 07,1969 under authority of Col.E.Holmes. Clinton
signs
enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.

Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of
Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with
Army
Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and
subject
to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) 'registrant who has failed to
report...remain liable for induction'.

Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1,1969,
but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction is
INELIGIBLE!

Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice
under
Public Law 90-40.

Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive
from justice.

Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977, from Carter.

Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President.

All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws,
and various books that have been published, and have not been refuted by
Clinton

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured
1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be
hunted
down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military
personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19
and
injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those
responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and
injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39
U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down
and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept those promises, an estimated 3,000 people in
New
York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive today.

AN INTERESTING QUESTION:
This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in show. Without casting
stones, it is a legitimate question. There are two men, both extremely
wealthy. One develops relatively cheap software and gives billions of
dollars to charity.

The other sponsors terrorism.
That being the case, why was it that the Clinton Administration spent
more
money chasing down Bill Gates over the eight years in office, than Osama
bin Laden? THINK ABOUT IT!!

It is a strange turn of events. Hillary gets $8 Million for her
forthcoming memoir.
Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written. This from
two people who spent 8 years being unable to recall anything about past
events while under oath!

[sho305]

I worked with a few guys from down south. One was pretty well off and had a pic of himself shaking hands with Bill the governor. He knew him then, so I asked him what the deal was, and this guy lived there too. He smiled and shook his head. He laughed and said they were happy when he left to be President! Told me it was a mess and they had lots of problems with the governor Bill.

Just goes to show, a real good used car salesman CAN rule the world...even though he don't know what he is doing.

[Techno]

May have worked out for him but Hillary didn't go home, she moved here!

[Raceman]

Techno, I think it's was truly one of the saddest days in American politics when she was elected. I'm still puzzled as to how it could've happened. I just hope that somebody with character and common sense can mount a campaign against her when she runs again. The consequences of her using the Senate as a spring board for a Presidential race in the future scares me more than anything else in world events.