Want to know a french honest opinion ?

[cpugourou]

Dear boat fans.
I am french and also a boat river racer fan. I am curently rebuilding a italian river racer from late sixties.
Everybody in the usa have bad thought about frenchs and I would like to give you my opinion.
First sorry for my bad written English of course.
Here in France, we are dealling with arabic countries and terorism for 30 years. Historically France have done all the religion crusades against islam for the past 1500 years. Last time the war to liberate jerusalem last for 150 years......think about this. I can assure you Us troops are in irak for a looong time.
In an other hand, seeing petroleum company supporting Bush junior is for one purpose only; As venezuela (first petroleum provider for US) is getting messy, same thing with saoudi arabia due to terorist financing and tween towers, the only choice for bush to stabilize the petroleum source is to invade irak.
Secondly, WE and I say WE (all of us including europe) , we all know that the final destination is LA MECQUE in saoudi arabia. This is going to take lot s of time to acheave and you can be sure we will have all to be on your side.
To justify the french and Germany position. How do you want us to agree on a war ? we were in war in europe only 50 years ago causing 11 Millions deads (75000 us troops) Regarding honesty and human rights , France and Germany will never accept war any more if you can have a diplomatic and peacefull solution, even if it takes more time. The thing is, Bush jr just want to rush on it because reelection dates as he deseperatly need petroleum. source to avoid using texas reserves.
By the way did you know that "the price of war" dont cost a penny to usa. everything is financed by koweit and quatar (100 billions $) this is why the petroleum price is so high as the surplus money go directly to the 5 major us petroleum company that have 100% of the market in koweit and quatar. 80% of this money go for troops, 20% go directly into private petroleum company owners pocket (bush jr friends.....). Making war against irak allow the us economy not to flake and make biiig money for some few. thats all.
Be sure Frenchs loves America and will always, dont forget we offered you the liberty statut in NYC. but we simply do not like Bush junior, he is not playing the transparency game. His father knew how to deal with Europe. He dont. Diplomaticaly speaking bush junior is just crap and he is making a biiig mess around the world. It would have been much more easy and safe to have a "humanetarian irak invasion" with everybody involved instead of a "war againts terror".....like on the us tv.
Dont look to much tv...........
Do not hesitate to ask me questions. I will reply honestly whithout hanger. This hanger concept is not any more in french minds, we are now a peacfull countries. We will always try to find a diplomatic and peacefull solution. I can assure you USA will need our diplomatic experience with arabic countries. it is just a matter of time.
Best regards and GOD BLESS AMERICA.

PS: answers for your posts are on last page.
oliver

[Gordie Miller]

when 3000 of our people(american citizens as well as other nationalities)were murdered, we decided it was time to take a stand. George W. Bush(not Bush Jr.)is starting what may be an impossible job, instead of passifying these murderers and trying to UNDERSTAND them, he is trying to erradicate them. It will realistically take 2 generations to get the job done, if it can ever be done. But, he is willing to make the attempt. We as Americans cherish our freedoms and are willing to die to protect them and pass those same freedoms on to our children. George W. Bush grew up knowing there is great opportunity in the world for everybody, he as a man and as the American President by the power given to him by the American People has chosen to make a stand. Is the Iraqi regime DIRECTLY responsible for 9/11, I doubt it, and we have never claimed that they were. But you can damn well bet they were involved at some level(and don't ask where). This is like treating a cancer that threatens the entire world, are you content to say, well, we've had a great life, let's just enjoy the last few years of it. George W. Bush says, HELL NO, let's figure out a cure, and a cure starts with treatment. Are every form of treatment we throw at the cancer gonna work? Probably not, but we're gonna treat it the best way we know how. And it starts by killing the cancer cells one at a time untill they're ALL dead. Just one AMERICAN opinion Oliver, but I'm NOT wrong!

[Daytona19]

France didnt have to anything about this war with the exception of back the USA with a yes vote to help the process along. We didnt need your troops, we didnt need your special forces what we did need is for France to be a friend to the USA and stand be it not so close to our side, with the intentions of getting rid of a tirant that kills with no reguard. I dont care about anything else thats happen in history for the past 1500 years in the middle east, and if anything has taken that long then diplomatic ways MUST be changed. Its hard to stand for whats right when the country you live in does not know what's "right from wrong" and kills their own people for a montary gain of land, power over the people and financial gain which goes directly into the dictators pocket. When a HOLY war was brought to the USA for a reason that not one of us really know for sure "WHY" all bets were off. Remember one thing "This big dog will fight if you rattle its cage" and terrorism needs to be faced and not turn a blind eye to what happen to the great people of the USA. I personally did not know one person in that mess in New ork on Sept 11th, but it felt to me like I just lost my best friend and it was hard for me to sleep, eat, and believe it or not I even had to take a few days off work because I felt actually sick to my stomach with grief for all those great people. Its not that I personally hate the french people because I dont, but remember one thing the reason you can sit in front of that computer and put in your two cents worth is that the USA came into france a stood by your side in your time of need without the reguard of its fighting men becuase it was the RIGHT thing to do. To liberate France was an effort that was in the eyes of our leaders the moral and proper move because the opression that Germany would have handed your country was a doomed fate or death, and its NO different than Sadamm, Osama or any other tirant anywhere around the world. If they come knocking at you door again be assured the your savior the USA will leave your country and their diplomatic measures satnding with the hands on their asses wondering what do we do now! In a time of need their is nothing greater than a friend and after 3000 dead Americans your country or anyother will stop us from defending our freedom, our people and what is right in this world. The USA is not a war loving country but as my father always said "right is right and wrong is always wrong" and what happend to us on Sept 11th was completely wrong so now its time to make it right even without ungreatful countrys such as France, many Americans died for you too my friend dont forget that. God bless, and hope a Sept 11th NEVER happens to you.

[Leo]

Whay about Normandy? If it wasnt for the US France wouldnt even be on the map anymore. A little support wouldnt have been that bad. I'm glad you think somebody that just shoots people for fun, cuts there heads off and rapes woman and has pleanty of chemical weapons should just be give a little more time. I'm glad George had the balls to do it. Just my opion.

[Gordie Miller]

you ask in the title of this post if WE want an honest French opinion. NO, we don't. You're leaders spoke volumes. Now stand aside and be quiet, there's work to be done.

[Ray Neudecker]

NOOOOOOOOOO WE DON'T, because there is no such thing.

[Doubledog]

Oliver, Glad to have you aboard. You've obviously been a silent friend of the forums a while & its a pleasure.

I've learned over time that everyone has their opinion. Everyone is entitled to it. You have stated yours and I'm going to state mine.

Soldiers morale from what I see: HIGH.

In the past we've had a few pussy whipped presidents that would sit back and let piss ant countries have their way. This guy doesn't take that ****. He's got balls and the way I see it is a lot of countries are intimidated.

Let one of the other countries get in a world of hurt and who's going to be the first phone that rings? If you don't know, let me tell you--- Junior's. Why? Because we are the ultimate fighting force that's at your service to clean to clean up other folks mess.

How do I feel about doing other peoples dirty work? As a job, I love it. It pays the bills and is quite fun, but when I look at the politics involved with other countries using us...... Get REAL.

How do I feel about the intentions of this war? I'm for it. That SOB Hussein has been given too many chances to comply. Like I told my wife, what are we going to do with our child? Use words or put the paddle to the behind? You see my point.

The only difference between the two is more folks are going to die because of this knucklehead. I feel sorry for the people of those Communistic style countries. I really do. They don't know the freedoms that I do because they have the most selfish, scared, leadership that would rather hide, than step up. How did we get these freedoms? Because we've had Presidents that have LEAD us there.

I feel proud to be an American whether other countries like me or not. I'm not tooting my horn. Don't have to. Folks will be jealous of us no matter what and do anything to get a part of it even if it means trying to make our politicians look bad by saying its for oil or whatever. The point is, this guy has been given too many chances and guess what? Times up. Call it oil or what the hell ever. Its yours & others opinions.

I really don't care for other peoples opinions but I listen & laugh silently as folks do at mine. Once again, thanks for your few kind comments about the USA, but I'm afraid that I can't return the compliment.

Jamie

Btw, admit it.... The reason why you don't like President George W. Bush jr. is because he scares the **** out of you. LOL.

[Raceman]

I believe that anybody who believes this military action is about oil is and idiot, and a brainwashed idiot at that.

The contention that the war doesn't cost the USA anything is too stupid, shallow, and ill informed to reply to.

So you French people sit tight and bask in the security furnished by other nations with common sense, courage, and resolve.

[tdogcarter]

Because they have financial interest in selling Iraq weapons of mass distruction, and other military weapons.

If France voted YES, then they would no longer have this.

[CDave]

The French, Germans and Russians get there oil from who agian????


Oh yeah, IRAQ. Funny how they are agianst us taking out Saddam. BTW Saddam is the BIGGEST KILLER of Muslums in the world. Saddam gased and Killed 5000 of his own people but France wants him to saty in power?

[Raceman]

Very good points which I overlooked T Dog & C Dave. I suspect that the deeper we get into this conflict, the more we'll see who has a true, vested, financial interest in all this. The French economy is obviously much more dependent on Iraq than their leadership is willing to admit.

[WARLOCK]

GO USA!!!!!!

[tdogcarter]

For the US to be there, in the end, I would say that it won't hurt if we get some oil from them. Everyone that owns a boat, car, truck, moped, can benifit from the oil reserves they have in IRAQ. Just in the current situation, the US is at least smart enough to not supply IRAQ with more money to funnel to TERRORISM.

In the end when we defete IRAQ, US will be able to go in and get oil, which will bring the per barrel prices back to a steady figure, and we should see $1.40 premium gas again.

I don't think we are going after the oil, but I know that is something they see in the end.

France, they are just pissed that we took away their cash flow.

Now the Protesters in Downtown Chicago, Protesting against war. Are they nuts, do they want Suddam to hire people to fly into the Sears Tower?? Where possibly some of these PEACEFUL PROTESTERS WORK, WHEN THERE NOT IN THE STREETS.

Trey

[Fish]

cpugourou,
I would like to start by thanking you for posting. In America, one of our greatest freedoms is the ability to speak openly and honestly, even though our opinions may differ.

Personally, I have been extremely pissed off at France, and by proxy, the French, due to the recent events with the UN. Granted, it is not really fair to penalize the French people for the actions of their government, however, nothing I have read, including your post above, indicates any French position to the contrary.

The long and short of it is that Our government tried exhaustive measures to try to find some sort of diplomatic resolution to this issue, but France vetoed things that even Iraq did not. Why? Why would France prevent a Diplomatic resoloution?

You spoke of Bush Jr and Oil. Do you realize the real motives of YOUR country is France's first drilling rights in Iraq? France destroyed any chance of a diplomatice resolution beacuse of oil.

I am sure the French people do not want war. Here is a news flash, the American people do not either. We did not want to go to war in WWI, did not in WWII, ... still do not. History is replete with tyrants who have evolved the exact same way as Sadamm Hussein. I beleive your history books should be very familiar with many of these since they marched into France, and the US had to come half way around the world to get them out.

Here we are again, the UN for the last 12 years has told Iraq to dissarm, but it has done the opposite. In fact, the UN inspectors that were to ensure the disarmament were kicked out of Iraq 5 years ago, and now France says how about some more time???

As I mentioned above, I am really glad you posted this thread. I do not mean to take my ire out on you, afterall, you were kind enough to invite this forum and I thank you. Please understand, that America has this hatred for France right now, because our sons and daughters are putting thier lives in harms way because of France. France was unequivocal that they would veto any resolution that contained the use of force (which the current UN resolution already does) to prevent the next Hitler from continuing the genocide that he has become so fond of.

Why would Frane do that??? Why would they be absolutely inflexible knowing that war was the only alternative to their action??? Please don't give me a 1500 year history lesson, I think my history lesson over the last 100 is much more accurate. In conclusion, I would like you to look at this photo below. do you recognize it? I beleive it shows America's level of commitment to help its Friends and allies. Too bad France can't say the same.

[Doubledog]

Amazing how well people forget........ oh, but that was!then.

[us1ss]

France does 1.5 billion in trade with Iraq. France's opinion is irrelavent due to their economic ties to a Dictator that commits genocide against his own people.

[Steve Zuckerman]

Cpugourou,
You are welcome to post your opinions here, as this board is based in America where we welcome free speech.
Yes, your country did give us the Statue of Liberty, and General
Lafayette did help us liberate ourselves during the Revolutionary
War, and is still regarded as a hero here.
Here's what we did for you:
Bailed out your country against the Germans in WW1.
Bailed out your country against the Germans in WW2.
Bailed out your country against the Viet Mihn (later Viet Cong) in
Vietnam (remeber Dien Bien Phu?).
In 1966 your lame fearless leader Degalle called our President Johnson and told him to get all our forces out of France.
Johnson replied "what would you like us to do with all the American caskets buried in your country?" I assume you understand what he was getting at, maybe not.
The reason your country had to face Germany a second time in WW2 was because the free world did not oppose Hitler during his
rise to power.
You and your countrymen obviously still haven't learned that appeasment of bellicose dictators and their henchmen is a mistake that only becomes WORSE with time. I remember Hitler
and his boys marching through your Arc' d Triomphe the last time
you applied this appeasement theory. You would all be speaking
German now if it weren't for the America and Great Britian.
Your spineless Nazi symathizers even formed a PRO GERMAN government the "Vichy French" during the occupation. How shameful! You two deserve each other!
One other little current history detail. One of your country's many
shameful entanglements with Saddam Hussein was building him
his nuclear reactor at Osirak. A recently defected Iraqi nuclear
scientist said they felt the "French were always aware of our intentions of building nuclear weapons." Hussein himself bragged
(as dictators always do to satisfy their egos) that as soon as we
build our atomic bomb, we'll drop it on Tel Aviv.
The Israelis, also familiar with this madman, decided NOT to wait
around until YOUR COUNTRY and Iraq co-developed an atomic bomb,and took out the OCHIRAC (Osirak) reactor with a surgical
strike in 1982.
So, I suggest you concentrate on keeping the Germans out of Paris, rather than worrying about us taking out your friend in Bagdad, because that BASTARD is about to fall onto history's trash
heap!
Sincerely, a proud AMERICAN,
Steve Zuckerman

[chris_lacey]

Question: How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
Answer: We don't know, it's never been attempted.

And frankly at this point in time, I'm ashamed to be Canadian. I can't believe our wimpy, leftist, *** Prime minister is just as bad as his French counterpart. Shame on us!

[mercury]

NO!!!:mad:

[Doubledog]

hello :rolleyes:

[cpugourou]

Regarding all the posts I have some few answers.

1/ France Buy petroleum from south america and mostly north sea and germany. We do not make any business with Iraq and we dont need to. This is a wrong information from USA Tv mind manipulation specialists.

2/ USA was the first (90% of the market) weapon and ammo supllier to Irak when Irak was in war against IRAN, at this time saddam was a good friend for everybody. This is why Bush jr know so well about the bombs saddam has. USA have a complete inventory of what they sold to saddam 25 years ago... France and Germany have done the same so....We are all responsible.

3/ USA have used more than 60 times a VETO at ONU. France 6 times....So, where is the big deal ?

4/ Of course, saddam must end, but, sometimes, time is your best ally. This is like french cuisine when you want to have a good mayonaise.

5/ US Army is the only one able to do the job. And we all know this. You do do not need anybody more anyway for irak. It will be an other story when it will come to IRAN and Saoudi arabia. Conseder us as a kind of Fresh troops for the nexts years when usa boys will want to come home.....

6/ Saddam is just an excuse. That's all. He is not a danger anyway. Saoudi Arabia and IRAN are really the bad guys......

7/ Please, do not think we do not stand beside you even if we do not go to war. This is wrong. We will have all to be allied when it will be the time to rebuilt the country. Thinking that USA can do it on his own is fullish. May be it was the case with Japan and south vietnam but at this time the american economy was far more strong than nowdays.

8/ Please, do not think that arabian people are like others kind of easy people that just need to drink Coca cola to be happy. They are not and I can tell you this because we deal with them for a long time now.

9/ Never forget that USA is far from everything. Arabian countries are on the europe doors. Having a war next door is not what you want anyway.

10/ Across history, USA have encounter 3 times a bad bad day. First was pearl arbor, second was spootnik, third are the tween towers. Hope this will end in a good way for everybody without a nuke.

At the end. Thanks to all of you but do you know the story of David & Golliath ?
Thanks to all. This has been very instructive for me.
+
oliver.:o

[stray cat]

NUKE EM or at the very least let Germany have em back.....

[cpugourou]

By the way. Many US people think that we have forget about your help during WW2. We do not. And we thank you.
But...we also do not forget that before WW2. USA was the first economy partner of germany. All the german WW2 planes were flying with American engines or technologies.
Many many Americans have invested huge money into the german economy (mostly industrial) during the late 30th. All this industries have be swap to military complex by hitler...but it was all american money. France, England..all the europe was screaming against USA at this time telling usa about the danger of Hitler. but....business is business......
Do not forget that almost all the "good thinking" and intelectuals american people was decorated by Hitler himself before the war................
How do you think Kennedy has done all his fortune.............

I know, I know, you are going to say that Frenchs are arogant as usual like this post may seems to be but think about this. All our education across Europe for the last 60 years is about war and history and how avoid it. We know too well the price for it. My grandma is proud to show me pictures of her and my mother during occupation and deportation, teaching me about honesty and forgiveness even for the devil. Look France and Germany now.
You say "French do not know to defend themself". Well, sometimes "when the sky is falling onto your heads" ( 1000 years old real fear in France ) like it was during WW2. What can you do but try to keep what you do not want to loose. Like Paris, the only city not destroyed during the war. Even hitler himself did not wanted to touch it......
Well, France is becoming a kind of historic site. I do not like that and I agree with you about some "old Europe style " thinking we can have sometime but........... this is it. We can only have now more diplomatic thoughts because we believe in democracy and human rights and respects (like you) and no war. And we do not consider ourselfs as god representatives.
Whatever, be sure you have all my respect and those posts even volontarly provocative are only to cause brain storming (always good for everybody) and exchanges.
peace.
:cool:

[stray cat]

bull ****

[Jason Huber]

Originally posted by cpugourou
...decorated by Hitler himself before the war. This include kennedy (the old father) ...............
How do you think Kennedy has done all his fortune.............
;) No big shock here! Joe Kennedy was a philandering BOOTLEGGER - THATS how the Kennedy Family EVER got on the money and power map! Dont' use them as any kind of a shining example of American altruism!:( "Real Americans"; Jack Kennedy and Bill Clinton are much more similar than people care to acknowlege... :rolleyes: P.S. Welcome to the board!

[mr.clean]

the only reason your country is still there is because of our sacrafices. and the only reason your speaking french and not german or russian for that matter (did you forget who kept the soviets at bay for decades) is because of our sacrafices! so just shut your mouth and say thank you:mad: p.s. next time someone kicks your week countrys ass don`t call us call iraq.:eek:

[PhastBoat]

French are just back stabbing cowards!!!

[Instigator]

P.S. HOW DO YOU SEPERATE THE MEN FROM THE BOYS IN FRANCE??

A CROW BAR:D

Bring your faggity ass over here and lets finish this discussion in person!
Go away you fudge packer:p

[Jeff_G]

I blame this war on the shoulders of France, Germany and Russia.
In 1997 the inspectors were kicked out of Iraq. It wasn't until the US pressured the Iraqis with a military presence they were allowed back in. Then the same old ****. If France had stood with the US the Iraqis may have acted differently. But no you guys think you can be the next superpower.
Any yes the two biggest players for oil in Iraq was France and Russia. In fact Saddam was playing the two aganist each other.
Where were you when the Balkans were in war and killing each other. Hundreds of thousands killed, wounded and raped. France stood by. Only the US and Brits had the balls to go in and stop it. So much for the EU.
Where was France when the Somalis were dying? Or the genocide in Uwanda? Where were you when Saddam gassed his own people.
Don't lecture us and try to take the high road. You're too stuck in crap and your own mud.

[lorax]

The opinions expressed on this board are not necessarily representative of all or even most Americans. Some of us are still waiting for explanations on why when:
A. Bin Laden is thought to be in Pakistan ( a country with nuclear weapons)
B. The North Koreans are making no secret of their desire to develop nuclear weapons
C. Iran is developing nukes
D. The warlords are taking over again in Afghanistan.
We are bombing the hell out of Iraq?

Speaking of French connections to Iraq did you know that Halliburton under Dick Cheney did $23.8 million in sales to Iraq in ’98?
The U.S. Agency for International Development has already invited COMPANIES to bid on a $900 million dollar contract to “rebuild” Iraq. You guessed it. Halliburton is one of those companies.
Oh well. That’s what $2.8 million in political contributions will get you in the U.S. of A.

This war is not about oil? Yeah, right.

Having said all that I hope that the men and women fighting over there are home, safe, soon.

Btw. Your English is sure a lot better than my French or any other language for that matter.

[fredsav]

you're gonna get it now! How dare you disagree with the mob.
Lemee warm you up here, with an example. You're:
Stupid , ignorant, a fool, unpatriotic, a frenchie sympathizer, soon to be unemployed, go live in France, gonna be dropped on irak, a towelhead lover, jerk,bleeding heart liberal, demacrat, actor etc......
Better get a second screen name.

[mr.clean]

boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :mad:

[fredsav]

too, eh?
Oh Lorax, I forgot. The reason you have the right to say all that stuff is cus you're in America. If you were up here in Canada you would be called Prime Minister.

[mr.clean]

:D

[fredsav]

Man, you should be happy as a Pig in sh*t.

[stokernick]

interesting facts,now you`re going to be subjected to much abuse!!!:o :o :o

[Laserll]

It was the french judge that screwed up the olympics.:eek:

Does france get involved in anything they don't F#%k up?

I suggest they stay in the kitchen with the women and leave this war to the men.:D :D :D :D

[Daytona19]

LOrax you can personally kiss my ass and bring your french boyfriend with you to do the dirty work. Look at these Desperate Americans with the only option of living is jumping from a 80 story window. Dont you ****in believe that our dead brothers & sisters deserve better?? If we wanted oil ( lame arguement) we could have kicked Irac's ass in the gulf war and took it then BUT the resoultion was to remove them from oposing there power on a smaller country and murding their people. This ****ing oil thing is a JOKE, any goverment does not do everything correct but if removing a killer that I am positive had a hand in killing 3000 of our own is a bad thing to do then put me on that band wagon. Sadamm is getting what he deserved the first time around BUT the American government and our people have compassion and a sence of "right" and follows the rules so he wasnt blown to peices. This time around is different dont you forget who started this mess (The middle east) and we are going to finish it no matter how much whining you & other liberals want to do. If you dont beleive in the American way get the **** out!!!

[stray cat]

I had 4 uncles who died in ww2, 2 of which are still in France I never met any of them, wasn't born yet but after reading the honest opinon of a frenchman I'm going to call my congressman and see if there is any way we can bring them home. I just can't stand the thought of my own flesh and blood ( well ok bones maybe) being over there and to think that they DIED for those chicken **** mfs is just about more than I care to tolerate.

[mr.clean]

that sucker wouldn`t have lasted five minutes in this country. and half of your dirty countrymen served him (until of course they had to face us and all of a sudden they changed theyre tune)

[Rodney Nance]

Did this thread originate from France? I dont know if you can tell but I would like to know if possible. The statement this guy made about when our troops get tired the French will take over scared the **** out of me.

[CDave]

So from your post, cpugourou and lorax, I'm gessing you are OK with a man who has killed FIVE THOUSAND of his own people staying in power?

[gaineso]

I have to say that George W. Bush (NOT Jr.) and I agree.

[Fish]

cpugourou,
Thanks again for posting, however, you are wrong. You defended where you purchase your oil from. True, but the issue is "first drilling rights"- that means the right to drill in Iraq by a foreign country. Guess who has it?? Actually, guess who had it? WHy do you thin your country is all of a sudden wanting to cooperate with America? Do you think it is because France is cooperative or even the slightest bit interested in preventing the next hitler? No. We are getting ready to take out Chirac's boyfreind Hussein, and by take out, I do not mean the blow job and a pizza that Jacques is used to with Sadamm. No more first rights.

You also scoffed at the french arrogance thing as though it is some sort of folk tale. THen in the same post you analogize French and french cuisine to Americans and Mayonaise. Does this not sound like arrogance to you?? To even think your food can look down on ours is very typical of why the rest of the world HATES the French.

What is this bull**** about saving yourselves for the next war?? You are extremely lucky the rest of the world does not "save themselves" and comes to the aid of its allies. The French are pussies and have been so for at least the last 100 years, they do not even save themselves, so I do not expect them to save anyone else.

You are right about one thing, America does not "need" France to come and fight with us. However, sending troops to assist us, and DOING EVERYTHING to prevent us, are two entirely different things.

You compare the French veto to the US veto, however, when has the US used its Veto to support and protect a regime who uses weapons of mass destruction on its own people, rapes and murders for sport, looted and pillaged its neighbor, and now is buildin nuclear weapons? I know there are pelnty of governments that have less than perfect governments, however, is this really the regime that France wants to be joined in the ass with?

France cannot run from the cowardice they have once again displayed to the world. The reason America is so pissed is that if you don't want to be with us fine, we will rerspect your opinion, but please do not do everyting you can to be against us, without listening to any opinions.

Lastly, don't compare yourself to Germany. At least germany was willing to listen and had an open mind. They had a different opinion. So be it, the are entitled to it. France is no germany.

At least you and I have one thing in common- fast boats.

[lorax]

I’ve been called all that stuff before but then Mom quit talking to me all-together.
I threw my standing on this forum out the window during the first wave of conservative rants after the last elections. But after weeks of abuse, I had to vent.
It’s a pity too because folks on this forum have forgotten more about fast boats than I’ll ever know and some of them are even down right rational.
Oh well, I can still lurk
;)

[gaineso]

Lorax, as far as I'm concerned you are welcome here as are your opinions. As has been stated many times, the main thing this Nation, The United States of America, stands for is freedom. The freedom to speak, the freeom to express opinions, the freedom to express unpopular opinions, the freedom to be WRONG.

I will not listen to or read your opinions on this issue any further, as I know what you feel. However, that does NOT mean that you should not express your opinion on this type of thread. You also do NOT have to listen to my opinion.

HOWEVER, one thing I hope that all of us here, except maybe one self-proclaimed frenchman, agree on: I will defend to the death your right to express your opinion!!!

Hundreds of thousands of Americans have died defending that right, and, God willing, we will always be willing to do so.


MY $0.04, probably all it's worth.

[cpugourou]

There is a missunderstanding here.
Read my posts again. I m just telling you that this war is just a strategic stupidity regarding how to control oil and how to organize a religion crusade. I am happy that americans react so strongly but.
The fact is, this is the true. Invading Irak is just ...........bull**** and for oil only. This is nothing to do with saddam or chimical mass destruction ghost and none existing weapons. With iraq, USA will control 80% of oil world production with the seven sisters american oil companies. Do you think everybody will let you do this?. Personaly, we will fight against that.
This is enought of V8 big blocks and things like that that are short term thinkings.
Thing is, nowdays, the world is changing and USA is not the only one left. This is a multipolar world now with 3 blocks. USA, Europe (with russia) and Asia/china.
Did you know that Iraq was the only arabian country with a laic system. Education was laic in Iraq like everything, women taking care of hospitals, education, women can vote in iraq, many thing like that with less religion issues than in USA. This means, they are just acting like us. ok , saddam as to go away but Iraq was the most close arabian country to our culture, for Europe or America. This war is a shame.
Bush jr is playing las vegas with the world.
As now, America has decided to act by their own, ONU is nothing now. Everything is lost. Now, country like kurdistan and Turkish are going to say the same thing. They can act by there own now and make their own private cuisine with kurdistan. Same thing with pakistan and india. Are you going to send troops everywhere?
Did you know that when you look at American TVs from Europe or arabian countries, we are afraid because we see people acting like a god's hand with a supreme power. Arabians think that American people are much more religion extremists than themselfs.
When parlement meet in NYC with bush, first words are from the parlement abbot. Quiet close from imham and priest screams? no ?

I have the most respects for americans helping us during wars and all the deads and for me this is a shame and I dont want it to happen again, for anybody. That's all.
Anyway, exept few, I am very surprised about the overeacting posts here against France and I m shoked. You may not want to see bush funny pictures web stuff we have in Europe. I am also choked about the lack of information many have regarding what is going on outside the USA.

For the guy who say "no french army victories", did you know that England was established by France 1050 years ago? Also, you should ready about a guy cald "napoleon" or an other one called "Charlemagne".

A last thing, France has been the only country to resist the last Arabian invation across Europe (500 years ago). "Charles Martel" stoped them in "Poitiers" (middle of France).
If it was not the case, we would be all speaking arab in this forum. Think about that.

Best regards,

oliver

[Travis Fulton]

god bless George W. and when you CAN to walk a mile in his shoes then your opinion may be pertinant!!! he has no responsibility for what has taken place! these problems are old and he is just trying to fix them, as gordie said eradicate them, gordie hit it on the head with his post, and another thing if you will read your bible this is enevidable!!! this war will soon be over but when the rag head countries pull forces and converge, this will be the end of time! so instead of bitching i'd start praying!

[cpugourou]

I do not beleive in god. I beleive in mankind............

[Travis Fulton]

cpugourou, may god have mercy on you! mankind cant save your soul:(

[Ron V]

cpugourou, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You are being even more ignorant than the hippies in this country who claim this war is about oil. We have more than enough oil in our own country to last us for a long time, in fact we only buy something like 3% of our oil from Iraq. The problem in Venezuela will pass. We have enough in Alaska, the Gulf of Mexico, Texas, and Oklahoma to last us until the internal combustion engine is phased out.

Last night they interviewed a bunch of Iraqi women who had escaped the country. They described a way of life in which people are loaded head first into meat grinders (alive), women are raped in front of their husbands as a form of torture to both the women and their families, and teenagers are beaten and tortured every day for writing negative comments about Saddam Hussein in their high school notebook. These same women said that during what little contact they still have with their relatives in Iraq, the relative do nothing but plea and beg, "When are the American soldiers coming to save us?"

Gee, do you THINK that these things COULD be why we are over there? Not to mention chemical and biological threats?

Just because a bunch of people died in a war doesn't justify sitting around and doing nothing no matter how bad things get. That is the attitude your country is taking right now. If you want to go live in your fantasy land, then go right ahead. Just don't come crying to us for help the next time another Hitler rises to power and tries to overtake your country and the rest of Europe. After all, war is never justified and therefore I don't think we should come and help you if that happens.

I guess being a generous good guy who accomplishes great things is no different than being a generous good country that accomplishes great things; in either case people eventually start to hate you.

[Travis Fulton]

RIGHT ON RON!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[cpugourou]

hummm

[76baja18ft]

sounds like our frog boating friend is as big of a coward as the rest of his countrymen...he keeps talking how great france was.. 500.. 1000.. 1500 years ago..but he doesnt tell that in the last 100 years or so they have become cowards... know why they are called frogs?.. they are slimely yellow bellied creatures that hop off at the 1st sign of trouble... the french are worried about what we will find that they have been supplying iraq..
climb out of your hole and look around.. this is not about Oil to us... this is about liberation for an oppresed country.. this is about deleting a monster from the face of the earth..this about supporting our friends.. family.. and loved ones that have died.. or will die in support of our country..
just like our country men died freeing your country.. several times..
the french have not won any military victories in the history of modern warfare... Quit living in the past cpugourou..
it takes a lot of nerve to come on here and tell us how wrong we are.. maybe u should go hop back into your hole until this all is over...and be a good little coward frenchman...you keep flaunting your ignorance.. and to be honest.. NOBODY cares about a frenchmans opinion...everyone knows what a real job you are....

[Jason Huber]

Hey Pierre - nice map!! :rolleyes: One typo/omitment I did notice however: Where's the text for the arrow pointing to France? The one that should read; TRAITOROUS, COWARDICE, TREACHEROUS, BACK-STABBING JEZABELLS & BASTARDS WHO ARE IN BED WITH THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY. Sit down! :mad:

[Ron V]

Mr. French America basher, your map contains a couple of errors.

Great Britian is not a "new best friend". Right after 9/11, Mr. Bush thanked Mr. Blair for making the trip to the U.S. for his speech, and stated, on international T.V., "America has no truer friend than Great Britian." That, my friend, is it in a nutshell. There is nothing "new" about this "best friendship". It speaks a lot for that country to stand by us through thick and through thin considering that America was born out of a disagreement with England. They are a much better friend to us than I would have ever been had I been in their shoes, and that speaks a great deal for them. I wonder if the same will happen after we have it out with Iraq? Probably not and we don't expect as such. In truth, we don't even so much as seek recognition for our good deeds. All we ask for is for people who we once saved to "not" stand in the way of our attempts to rid Iraq of evil, and your country wasn't even willing to do that.

Your map labels France as a "friend". Friends don't abandon friends in their hour of need, and that is how most here feel now. Futhermore, how would you like it if I came on a French message board and started insulting your country with a bunch of lies, called you a bunch of pussies and told you to go play with your hairy armpitted women and choke on that puke you call champagne? I bet you wouldn't like it, and I have not done it. But YOU took the initiative to come on here and call our leader stupid. Seems that you are being the aggressor. Incidentally, I have some issues with Bush but am behind him 110% right now. He is a good old boy who conquered alcoholism, has faith, doesn't put up with any crap, and is leading this country though one of the most trying times in its history. That is the type of strong leader we need right now. If we had a leader like you have right now, this country would already be belly up. And we came damn close to having a twinkie for a president. His name was Al Gore.

Also, I do not think that mainstream America holds Afghanistan, Pakistan, and those other stans as our "new best friends". We are grateful for Pakistan's help in the fight against Al-Qaeda, and that is about the extent of it.

[Laserll]

My question for you cpugourou, is the same question I have for the rest of the tree hugging, silk panty wearing, democratic sissies in this world. What will you say when Gen. Tommy Franks uncovers the chemical weapons and uncovers the manufacturing facilities?

This same group of anti-war protestors,, would be the first ones to point the finger at President Bush, if we stood by and waited until Sadam killed another 5 thousand of his own people. Or worse, if he used weapons of mass destruction on the rest of the middle east. They would say "you knew he had them and did nothing". They are just looking for a cause to lobby against for the publicity.

Now sit down and shut up. The men of this world have work to do!

Just my opinion, does not reflect the opinion of all rational human beings.

:D

[chris_lacey]

+SpeedyFast, it looks like Montreal really is part of France. I always thought so. Same opinion as our ******, leftist coward Prime Minister. Oh, yeah, he's French too!.

SpeedyFast's opinion DOES NOT REFLECT THE OPINION OF ANY ACTUAL CANADIANS I HAVE SPOKEN TO.

Just hearing his crap makes me ashamed to be Canadian.

[Jason Huber]

YOUR SLIP IS SHOWING!! :eek: ;)

[76baja18ft]

sounds like speedy is just being his normal french *** loving self...
if he doesnt like what we have to say.. then why is he here reading it?.. who is forcing him to listen to us?..maybe he sound meet up with cpugourou.. they would make a hell of a couple.. guess they could take turns being the man... while the other plays the bitch...
again...IF U DONT LIKE WHAT U READ HERE... THEN LEAVE... NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO READ THIS... AND THE TRUTH BE KNOWN... WE(the american public) COULD CARELESS WHAT YOU PANSY FAGS HAVE TO SAy...WE DONT NEED YOUR PERMISSION FOR ANYTHING... NOW SHUT UP....

[fredsav]

doesn't accomplish anything. All you do is piss people off and you're gonna get the same kinda comeback. If it bugs you that much to read this stuff then, don't? I can understand where you're coming from but it just hurts the point you want to make. It means they're getting to you.
Mr. Clean, sorry I mistakenly thought your comment about Canadian fans was a shot at our crappy team. Watching too much CNN and didn't hear about the Booing. Has no place at a sporting event. For a couple of years they used to boo our own National anthem at the Forum ( During Separation Fears, oh no that's not a shot at the French, let that one sleep). Enough of this nice, nice.

"My question for you cpugourou, is the same question I have for the rest of the tree hugging, silk panty wearing, democratic sissies in this world. What will you say when Gen. Tommy Franks uncovers the chemical weapons and uncovers the manufacturing facilities?"

Oh Oh Oh, I know. Pick Me, Pick Me.

First of all, we tree huggers only where Biodegradeable panties. Which makes us 100percent organic sissies.
Second, if Tommy uncovers the chem weapons and labs now I think he's in big trouble. I'm sure he's not supposed to uncover them until he reaches Bagdad. If he does it in his bunker in Kuwait who's gonna believe the Iraqis were using it.

[Capt.Insane-o]

No. Go home and suck on a crepe' and shave your ol' ladies armpits.

[vic peters]

Like I said in my post that got deleted.... You are just one of many... Ostrich like BLEEDIN heart liberal democrats that won't wake & smell da stank till dey got **** up there nostrils. You people think as long as all is well in my part of da woods why get involved. It would be a different story I'm sure if dey was gonna come cut your tongue out for what you posted on here. Thats what dey do over there ya know. Or worse yet rape your wife & children while you were forced to watch. This ain't about oil. We get most of our imported oil from canada anyhow. as has been obviously stated the assets of Iraq belong to the people of Iraq & will be put in there control. This madman has been starving & killing his own people w/no mercy for years. For Gods sake he even used chem & Bio weapons against his own!!!! Wake Up & look around!! the world ain't that big that you can ignore this behavior forever.. Before you you know it, it's gonna be on your block!!!!!! My best Vic P.S. I Still believe you got the right to say what you want. Thats one of the main things our guys & gals are fightin for.. ..Whew I feel better..... Vic!!!!:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Racemore]

We are ****ing pigs?Because we see what you don't want to you are you just a blind,ignorant bitch.Terror started in the middle east.People that will kill themselves to kill innocent people in the name of God.Carbombers.A tyrant that murders his own people.They are like a plague, must be confined and distroyed to preserve the health of the people you want to live Free and in Peace.We had to fight to get and keep our freedom and yours too.The protest in New York makes me sick.Nam is was a war we shouldn't have fought but we did.It seems we shouldn't have liberated France 4 times and Germany but that was another mass murder wanting to rule the world and kill all the jews.Sadaam kills his own people,that puts him at the top of the extermination list.
When this is over and the people can freely talk and tell,not have to see their families murdered and raped the world will know who saved them and who said NO.You don't deserve the right to boat and damn sure not own a Hydrostream.:cool:

[Forkin' Crazy]

Originally posted by speedyfast
some of the things being said in this post and others are actually coming from the minds of GROWN MEN! Most of you are probably almost twice my age and you act like 4 year olds. "suck on crepe", " Armpit shaving".
yeah Im a "***" for not thinking like your stupid self. - nice one baja18whateveryoucallyourdumbass. Take your piece of **** Baja and shove it up your ass. You want to call me ***, ill show you who the *** is when I slap you around like the little bitch you are!. ****in' Ass Pirate!
I cant believe you guys are actually mature men.

Now let's stop right there and assess this. You are being mature in posting this? LOL!


Originally posted by speedy fast Thats hilarious. Ive seen more intelligent conversations in a sesame street forum than this ****ing place. your just pathetic, pathetic people.

Once again......If you don't like it, carry your ass somewhere else!


Originally posted by speedy fast And one last thing, if your so down for this whole thing, why arent you there fighting for what you strongly believe in rather than sitting at your computer taking cheap shots at someone living in a different country???

I don't recall it being some one that is a real member of this message board that started this. And I think you are behind a computer also, are you not?


Originally posted by speedy fastYeah, your a real BRAVE american> BITCH!

I feel sorry for you Speedy, because you just don't get it. Have a nice day.:cool:

[CDave]

Well it looks like cpugourou and lorax are OK with someone who killed FIVE THOUSAND of his own citizens staying in power.

[mr.clean]

:eek:

[fredsav]

good. Didn't know we had any tanks here in Canada.

[mr.clean]

and i`m on your border and i`m coming to destroy hockey :eek:

[fredsav]

you changed your screen name to Mr. Clean.

[stevek]

obviously not

[fredsav]

Knew I could smoke you out.

[CDave]

Guess this says it all,
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,252167,00.jpg

[fredsav]

( Well , I guess Elvis Didn't needem anymore) but look at CDave. Had a rough night Dave?

[CDave]

Originally posted by fredsav
( Well , I guess Elvis Didn't needem anymore) but look at CDave. Had a rough night Dave?

Nope just a rough day.

[mr.clean]

i took those shades from a dead iraqi captain, after i ran his ass over!:)

[fredsav]

either, make sure they have better taste or try and get to the front of the line and go for the boots.

[mr.clean]

we have to start invading a better class of people ;) hmmmmmm!

[fredsav]

You loook Maaarvelous.......... Not.

[mr.clean]

someone has to stop you people from screwing up traffic in florida during the winter.:rolleyes:

[fredsav]

That would cut the population in half and would of course end the reproductive cycle. As well, it would leave us defenseless. There would be nobody left to yell bang when the other officer throws the rock. If you really need to freshen up your wardrobe you can order the stuff her
http://www.crownassets.pwgsc.gc.ca/text/index-e.cfm
We deliver but do accept Paypal as their rates are too high. All profit go towards the purchase of a new ( we call it new > 20 years) helicopter.

[GO FAST BOATS]

[Yeah, your a real BRAVE american> BITCH! [/B]
YES WE ARE, AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT LET ME KNOW, I WILL TAKE CARE OF IT FOR YOU.
SEMPER FI

[lqdegl1]

right on neihbor. looking forward to seeing you agian.:D

[O/B Dude]

Hey cpugourou, You're right. It's all about oil. The reason France has faught the US and Brittain on this issue is because France gets most of its oil from Iraq. Yep... it is all about oil.

As for your comments on French victories, those are good points but can you come up with any that arent anchient history? WWII...the Maginot line fell in a matter of days. Let me ask you something, is it true that France uses slave labor in Iraq to produce the white flags you guys use when you surrender?

[gaineso]

And don't forget the complete defeat the French suffered in Northeast Florida in 1565.

The French spent a year building a fort at Fort Caroline, now Jacksonville. The Spanish king decided they had invaded his territory and sent some troops and preists over. They founded the Oldest City in North America and then marched through swamps, insects and alligators to Ft. Caroline, ran the Fenchies out and rounded them all up. Then they took them all out in the bay in St. Augustine and one by one slit their throats and dropped the bodies in the bay. Tides and fish cleaned up.

The bay is now known as Matanzas Bay, which translates to Bay of Blood or Bay of Slaughter. The City of St. Augustine, Florida is proud to be known for the first mass murder in the New World, especially since it was a bunch of frogs and don't really count.

[cpugourou]

France -- a rich history lesson. . .

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A Visit to Verdun

America has links to France pre-dating the Revolutionary War in the late 18th century -- both nations attaining their independence within a few years of one another -- and both in July! Even if you don't have one drop of French blood in you, you may still discover you have a tie to France. Perhaps your ancestors fought in the American Revolution and were supported in battle by the courageous French who came to you aid and make democracy win. Or, you may be living in Louisiana with close ties to the French community -- a community in existence because their forebears were forced to leave Maritime Canada. Perhaps you had a grandfather or father in World War I or II who fought on French soil. Whatever your connection, and there are certainly other possibilities, here in France, we know that Americans who visit France are always impressed by our nation's long and well-documented history and are especially moved when they visit the battlefields and cemeteries so meticulously preserved following both great wars and especialy for Americans cemeteries. In this regard, I would like to take you on a brief visit to Verdun, you may not know this place, a exceptional place (like many others) in its sadness and the extent of the loss it represents.

What Verdun brings to mind to most of us are the horrific battles of World War I. My grandfather spent four years in the trenches near Verdun and suffered from the effects of mustard gas. I know this is not completely real to you, however, until you will visit one day the memorial museum and the cemetery.

This photo is of the Ossuaire and cemetery at Douaumont near Verdun, a place reached along a country road quite peaceful now, but punctuated by trenches dug on either side. The trenches are sign posted, and I vividly remember the one named "British Communications Trench", curving away from the road through the woods. This cemetery is the final resting place of over 300,000 unidentified French soldiers and of several nationalities, primarily French and German, following 51 months of war for a little city, Verdun. The overwhelming silence and sense of loss is hard to put into words. The Ossuaire, its main element meant to be a reproduction of a shell, was built by funds raised by the Bishop of Verdun, Monseigneur Ginisty, who collected the money needed by going on lecture tours in France and around the world and by subscription. If you are able to visit the Ossuaire, you will appreciate the Cloister which is 137 meters in length containing alcoves housing the remains of more soldiers. A flame of remembrance burns at one end of the Cloister on days when services are held. This place is ten times the size of Whashington cimetery.

This is for who think Frenchs are cowards.
Even hitler army during WW2 was not able to come in the center of France or in corsica due to resistance. We know how to defend ourself. Be sure of this. When we push a button, we know that our missiles are not going to blow our own dudes.

I hope the limp of Pandora Bush jr just open is not going to turn into this "box" full of 300000 skeletons. or more to come may be.

I hope the wound from Viet-nam is now closed for you and I am sure revenge is not a word you apreciate even if you have loose this war. Nobody win with a war, especialy with fanatics like arabs (Trust our experience with them). This is only more deads.

I am however very surprised of so many overeacting people speaking here full of ignorance and anger.

God bless America, God bless France cause now we are really going to need him and see in witch side he is playing .........................

Best Regards,

Oliver
:)

[fredsav]

par ecrire ici. Les hommes ici, vien premierement du extreme sud des E. U. . Il y a beaucoup qui sont intelligent mais ca depend beaucoup du ou ils prendre leur imformation. Beaucoup ont jamais voyager dehors de leurs villes alors, d'avoir an opinion autre que leur voisin est difficile. Si tu veut continuer,c'est un bon idee du " prendre ca avec un morceaux du sel" ou ca sera tres frustrant.
Aussi France et E.U. sont egalement responsable pour cet situation.
Bonne Chance

[Pete]

cpugourou, i also suggest the same thing as fredsav. Il y en a beaucoup de bon information ici mais tu dois savoir qui te donne cette information.

Pete

[Racemore]

"I'm so French it hurts.":cool:

[gaineso]

"...Sadaam,a cowardly,deranged chicken dick who's mama is a bowlegged,babylonian,babybeating,bottleneck bitch whore and they aren't sure what dog was your daddy u piece of chit."

Racemore, didn't your mother teach you "If you can't say something nasty, don't say nothin' at all"??????

[Racemore]

But i'm trying to be nice.Since you mentioned it,Ft.Caroline is down the road from where my family settled in 1865.The town of Gilmore.We were Ireland decendents that moved to New York and then to Cowford(Jacksonville).After my family sold and gave most of the 1800 acres that made the town and the Park Service decided to rebuild the Fort that had sank into the river they changed the name of the road from Gilmore Rd to Ft.Caroline Rd.It has never bothered me untill now and it chaps my ass.I will have to make some signs so people will know that the fort sank like the Friendship of the French and should be boycotted forever.The John Ribault Monument that stands on the highest ground in the city should be pushed of the cliff into the river.This has become a great embaresment for a Miltary city of the USA.

[mr.clean]

tu es un encule` traiteur fils de pute. suce ma quequette!eek:

[fredsav]

but why do you want to roll me in liverworst? Does this have therapeutic value? What is a quequette!eek? I think cpugourou's English is better than your French but, I think your French is better than his? Get my Drift. This is not an attack Mr. Clean, just a hint.

[Liberator24]

cpugourou,

You refered France only using it's veto 6 times in the UN. It makes no sense to me that France even has a veto. By what authority do you suppose that happened (hint , you WERE an ally of the U.S. during WWII). Your GDP is less than California's for Gods sake. France is nearly a third world country and you have a seat on the security council, are permanent member and have a veto vote. These facts, by definition, indicate the need to immediately disband the UN because it clearly has no relevence to the world as it exists in this century. France has no influence (your veto didn't do much, did it), no respect and no legitimacy. You can't protect yourselves and your withdrawal from NATO proves you have no stomach for protecting your "friends". You withdrew from NATO to cover you own asses when you feared the USSR, who are themselves now irrevelent. You are a has been country and it is ridiculous to allow France to have the power of veto in the UN. The new world order does not include you, get used to it.

[O/B Dude]

Like new condition, never been fired and only dropped once. Make offer.

;)

[76baja18ft]

I think cpugourou got scared and ran off ...:D

[rottenbrock]

The Complete Military History of France

- Gallic Wars
- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

- Hundred Years War
- Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted.

- Italian Wars
- Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

- Wars of Religion
- France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

- Thirty Years War
- France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

- War of Revolution
- Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

- The Dutch War
- Tied

- War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War
- Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

- War of the Spanish Succession
- Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

- The Napoleonic Wars
- Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

- The Franco-Prussian War
- Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

- World War I
- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

- World War II
- Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

- War in Indochina
- Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

- Algerian Rebellion
- Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

- War on Terrorism
- France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.

The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?"

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage."

Or, better still, the quote from last week's Wall Street Journal: "They're there when they need you

[gaineso]

Really liked your last line.

You know they are insisting that they be lead in after war rebuilding Iraq and instituting new government.

[O/B Dude]

Hey Rottenbrock.... ROFLMAO!

The funniest aspect is that its all true.

[sho305]

This whole oil thing still cracks me up. Who drilled the oil and set up the Arabs with all that income in the first place, and then gave it to them? As far as the oil $ and companies here, you better start buying stock in them because that is where any profit goes; not in someone's pocket. Buy it quick, as you are going to make millions then when the US owns Iraq? What do we want it for? And if that happened, like the rest of them would stand for it? Why on earth would we want to trash that whole market since we live on a free economy? Get real. And why should we not get some $ help from Iraq for this? Oil is about the only thing they have to pay with. It will only work if Iraq has the oil anyway, so they can stand on their own feet and keep the country together.

The only relation to oil is that peace in the middle east would add stability to the oil market there....and save a lot of blood too. America is a free country, anyone can find out where money is going and it would be very hard to hide anything like that here. We can make oil out of corn if we want to, but since you can buy it all around the world, why bother? Oil is everywhere, big deal.

How about the painting they found in Iraq of the WTC? How about the chem gear and antidote? How about all the training camps there? Time is short for Hitler II.

The French have alternate means for their actions. They are not wanting of peace in that holy land, or wanting to help better the world. That is sad. Germany did not do what France did, and they have a different situation as well. We thank them for the great help in the fight against terrorism, though we may still disagree on some points.

The French don't see it, but with 9/11 and the attacks leading to it things have changed. Nobody will bring war upon the US without severe repercussions; be it a country, group, or whoever. The freaks stepped over the line, and now we must put them back in their place. Don't think France will not be penalized for their actions in supporting them. In fact, the stock to buy just might be a moped company in France.:)