New to Me - Canadian Built Challenger 21'

[pdr1966]

After looking very closely for the prone/areas of concern in these boats, I have proceeded and purchased this one.
Its core/hull is very good, with NO structural restoration required.
The boat currently has 225 Yamaha's which I am pulling to sell and put a modern single on it as it was intended to be!
The Yamaha's went on in 91' and have VERY little run time on them.
Attached is a picture of the boat advertising material - this IS the boat.

[CharlieN]

Looks sweet, are you going to run it at all with the twins just to feel it out?

[endabran]

cant believe your not a bit inclined to drop it in with twins.bet it would be a rocket ship to 90 with the right props

[CptAJ]

You already HAVE the twins. Its a crime not to at least try it out :p

[jjmalkow]

You have to run it with the twins! 21 with twins awesomeness.

[FMP]

Good boat, yup zoom.

[PARKER RABE]

You're crazy to take those motors off ..... leave it the way it is that's badass

[Sunburnt]

Twins are in man, nothing cooler than twins......

[berzerko]

Gotta run it..... Aren't you ?

good luck

[tux974]

Twins are in man, nothing cooler than twins......

:iagree:....:D
http://i57.tinypic.com/2zxzep0.jpg

[ghost28]

keep the twins...Those motors are super reliable and way easier to maintain than new high tech stuff....Run em till there junk....They aint worth much anyway....

[pdr1966]

I know there are real merits to stay twin, but just won't be what I'm after.
i could certaonly cheap out a re-rig with just one of these, but it is a long term boat for me I want a quiet clean 4 stroke SHO and do 65- low 70's tops.
i realize these are really good motors, but the pair is just too heavy for the hull.
thanks for the conversations!
Pete

[berzerko]

:iagree:....:D
http://i57.tinypic.com/2zxzep0.jpg
Tony
more pics of twins on the rally...... Specs

[RedonYellowKillaFellow]

Why did u come here to show off if your gonna put a slow heavy 4 stroke on it to go slow.

You should sell it to someone who appreciates it and the provenance of it.

A bay liner instead maybe?

[CharlieN]

I doubt it will be slow with one new Sho. There are some other ones out there already.

[tux974]

Tony
more pics of twins on the rally...... Specs

Bobby, will do a new thread soon. Hate to jump on this guy thread!

[joneill]

Why did u come here to show off if your gonna put a slow heavy 4 stroke on it to go slow.

You should sell it to someone who appreciates it and the provenance of it.

A bay liner instead maybe?
Sounds like you have no idea about the Yamaha Sho 4 stroke, it weighs 505 and will be faster than he thinks,

[vnemous]

Wow that would be a sin to unrig that classic, maybe you'd rather have a 21 superboat with a 300x.

[2.5-21]

Twins are a great novelty but don't do the boat any justice for its real purpose. Unless you put some ballast up front it will only be as useable as a 15 foot viper.
Everyone I have ever known to be set up were soon after taken apart for a single and end up running very close in (manageable) speed.

Don't get me wrong twins are definitely Cool.

[vnemous]

Its Linder/Challenger history.

[FUJIMO]

But...but...but...Will she still Scream? Will she still Fly? :nonod:

[CharlieN]

But...but...but...Will she still Scream? Will she still Fly? :nonod:
She will fly but might not be screaming.

[endabran]

[QUOTE=2.5-21;2755221]Twins are a great novelty but don't do the boat any justice for its real purpose. Unless you put some ballast up front it will only be as useable as a 15 foot viper.
Everyone I have ever known to be set up were soon after taken apart for a single and end up running very close in (manageable) speed.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6bdIfQvZ5HY&ei=_q5XVfGOCYHEsAWXzIHQBg&usg=AFQjCNGhZ3MCu0TkfD15-C-2vYOaiX4vZQ&sig2=7SjyvzFkuQYu3tLyXf7_mg twin challengers are beast mode no setback

[CharlieN]

Looks stern heavy.

[pdr1966]

I have been looking /watching for challengers or superboats for a while, the are so rare now to find without mushy core!
And a real challenger even more so.
Hey if $ was no object Tuff would be the way to go. The history of it being a real challenger is not wasted on me. IF it were still ORIGINAL with the 235s it would be harder to separate as it has been re-rigged already, one more quality update will be fine.

[tux974]

Maybe some of the previous guys that rigged with twins had no clue how to setup or run these boats. Heck they probably even thought they were riggers or mechanics and actually knew what they were doing.....:leaving:;):D
Who the heck want another me too boat anyway......:reddevil:

[berzerko]

Everything I've read about these boats…. single engine makes more sense unless you take the time and money to set them up and the acceleration is ridiculous
watch the vid from 5min in looking for the link to pics and set up of that boat
heres a link to the "Night Hawk" the shadow from the video above
http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?193278-Night-hawk-flys-again-gt-gt-gt-21-shadow
http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?195612-21-Apache-or-Superboat-with-Twins

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[RBT]

I know the boat, I also had a Canadian challenger with twins and made a horrible mistake in changing it to a single, first a 2.5 and second a 300 pro max.
It was a rough water animal with the twins and would easily out run a single
in adverse conditions. The acceleration was awesome.
Now I also believe this boat has been to the bottom of the lake more than once, I'd be shocked if the core was still ok.

RT

[pdr1966]

RT
In knowing of such rumors is why we went over it very very closely. All the edges of core were very nicely terminated when built, probably what protected it from water ingress.
I'll be on mostly calm waters.
Under water or not, there just are not any indications of lasting damage from such dunk (s?).

[ChrisM]

Everything I've read about these boats…. single engine makes more sense unless you take the time and money to set them up and the acceleration is ridiculous
watch the vid from 5min in looking for the link to pics and set up of that boat
heres a link to the "Night Hawk" the shadow from the video above
http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?193278-Night-hawk-flys-again-gt-gt-gt-21-shadow
http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?195612-21-Apache-or-Superboat-with-Twins

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Hi Berserko! The vid is my Shadow, not Nighthawk, shot in The Thousand Islands, 2009.319936

[dnelson964]

Interesting thread ! Loved the Video. Who wouldn't like twins as long as they were reliable and setup right ?

But with some really good setup time invested, I think you can have a Linder 21' hull run safely today in the 90's on a single also ?

Good luck going forward. :thumbsup:

[tux974]

Bobby, good clips!!........:thumbsup:
ChrisM, some good running there! Love the acceleration!.....:thumbsup:
donmac, on here has a real nice twin and I believe he told me it was Canadian built!
pdr1966, if for some reason you do not feel comfortable with the Yamaha's maybe a nicely setup pair of Mercury 225PM maybe something to consider.....:D Keep that thing twins or sell it to someone who can appreciate it!.......:thumbsup:

[Tomanytoys]

Please don't switch it to a single!!
if you want a big single that bad....let's make a deal!!
I've got another one of the Canadian built Challengers originally rigged with twins. Mine, however was switched to a single before I got it. It's gone from twin 225's to a single 225 to a 225 Promax. I've split the deck & hull, done the transom, checked to core, stringers & knees. New carpet & interior, gauges, wiring etc. Put it back together, glassed the deck and hull together and rerigged with a 300 Super Mag. With a very conservative setup it runs mid 70's. If you want to get into it, run light fuel load and a less versatile prop it'll run well into the 80's.
I was in touch with you on HPBC. You were gonna touch base, I believe the weekend you went and looked at (& bought) your twin rig.
Lets talk.
Dont loose a piece of history, there's not many left!!

[CharlieN]

That is one of the best posts in this thread offering a true way to keep history and allow for an owner to get what he wants.
Selling off a Promax would be easier than the two Yammies to get a SHO mounted up.
Wish I had the coin for those old Yammies though.

[pdr1966]

I know I know, History is part of my draw to a Challenger as opposed to anythign similar. Really cool to BE THE boat in the magazine add's and Ron C's to boot.
And yest in looking for a while I know all too well how few - this CLOSE - to original remain.
ToomanyToys, we can talk Not sure if I have your phone, check HPBC
The history dilema is not unlike my 71' Mustang Convt - 94' 5.0L 5Spd swap -not original, but man works REALLY well and I drive the car not show it!
I'm not actually sure how much a carbed 2.4L Merc weighed back in the day, but Yamahas are 505each maybe the mercs were in the low 400's? and a better twin setup.

[jjmalkow]

Actually,I think the Yamahas are more like 410lbs each. Check me if I'm wrong.

[CharlieN]

Actually,I think the Yamahas are more like 410lbs each. Check me if I'm wrong.

That would be the 2.6L engines, these are 3.1L.

[jjmalkow]

I'm an OMC guy but thought the 1991s were 2.6. 158 cubes? Just trying to help. Bad a-- rig either way.

[CharlieN]

'91 was the first year for the 3.1L motor, the 2.6 continued on. The 3.1 was released as a 225 soon followed with a 250. Main difference was carb size restricting down the power.

[donmac]

I think my hull is the only one left still running the original 81 225 mercs.

[Tomanytoys]

I think my hull is the only one left still running the original 81 225 mercs.
You gonna have it in the water soon Don?

[DoktorC]

'91 was the first year for the 3.1L motor, the 2.6 continued on. The 3.1 was released as a 225 soon followed with a 250. Main difference was carb size restricting down the power.

Those are 2.6 225's...

PDR...make a deal with Greg his stuff is always super clean and it's what you want..

[CharlieN]

Those are 2.6 225's...

Teach me to take the time to actually look at the pictures. I just went over to the engines for sale posting and yes, they are 2.6s.

[tux974]

I think my hull is the only one left still running the original 81 225 mercs.

Don, Those 225's are great simple motors and put out some real good power!
How is the work coming along?


PDR...make a deal with Greg his stuff is always super clean and it's what you want..
:iagree:......He will give that boat the love/attention it needs and you get your user friendly toy! A win, win for all.......:thumbsup:

[David]

I thought Don was going to re-rig his twins to an inboard. If not, I want a ride and will bring fuel.