Into the wind and over you go

[skaterx]

http://youtu.be/0DSj2uHyv8w
Trying to hit a 100mph. Went against 1 of my rules and paid for it. Lifeline vest saved me.

[Rock_River_Marina]

http://youtu.be/0DSj2uHyv8w
Trying to hit a 100mph. Went against 1 of my rules and paid for it. Lifeline vest saved me.

Your video is private.

[skaterx]

I will fix

[JOLLEY]

Hope you made it through it OK? Waiting to see the vid. Glad to know you had the LL on...........................

[action17]

no vid?

[BeefKid]

says private

[2.5-21]

says private

[PARKER RABE]

what kind of boat and what kind of horsepower?

[mr fun]

what kind of boat and what kind of horsepower?

8' Fliver w/maxed out 9.8 merc. Sorry, just couldn't resist. want to observe the event, just kinda leary of crashes. fun out

[PARKER RABE]

Hey man we gonna get this video or what?

[skaterx]

I am trying see if it works now

[Coupe427]

worked for me. Hope your ok.

[skaterx]

3189681989 225 looper on a v-king 16in mid no 6 speedmaster

[donmac]

funny how all the other youtubes vids. are related to trim! not hurt, lucky!

[Dave Strong]

Not sure vid id pretty short, wind didn't look to bad. Glad your ok. When your trying go faster than you have ever gone, which sounds like you were trying. Never film it cuz your more worried about getting on film and try to push things such as trim. Always be cool to catch it but will usually bite you in the butt. When going for the next best take your time and wait for the boat, air, etc to do their thing.

Dave

[skaterx]

Did not know someone was videoing me. Girl dropped camera that's why its short. We have a 4mph tide already made pass against it and went the fastest I ever did in that boat. Hindsight just should have done the math just wanted to see 3 digits. There were gusts that day was one of the problems not being quick enough on trim when nose started to come up was the other.

[Mr. Demeanor]

Glad your okay!

[carlton ruth]

How does the boat look? I need to be careful running over 100 mph with my v-king. Felt a gust pretty good last year running into the wind. Good that you made it out ok!!

[carlton ruth]

How does the boat look? I need to be careful running over 100 mph with my v-king. Felt a gust pretty good last year running into the wind. Good that you made it out ok!!

[skaterx]

Just damage in the nose where water blew through. They are strong made boats.

[Galveston340]

....glad you made it out in one piece as well as the boat!

[skaterx]

4 broken ribs, broken Metacarpal of right index finger (surgery) hyperextension of left knee,

[CUDA]

Your running a speedmaster ??? on a Hydrostream?

[Dave Strong]

4 broken ribs, broken Metacarpal of right index finger (surgery) hyperextension of left knee,

So your limping and alive, still a good deal. ;)

Dave :)

[skaterx]

319067
Your running a speedmaster ??? on a Hydrostream?

Was getting motor ready for STV that I had bought 2 weeks earlier.

[action17]

That's my dads old boat!

[PARKER RABE]

what kind of boat is it that you blew over???? I can't make it out in your avatar? Post some pictures of your setup so I can see it......

[skaterx]

what kind of boat is it that you blew over???? I can't make it out in your avatar? Post some pictures of your setup so I can see it......
V-king. Look at post#15. Avatar is my Seebold.

[XstreamVking]

I have had mine standing on the tail and blew off the cover on the motor. Seen sky several times. Never nothing like this.... Glad you survived...

[PARKER RABE]

V-king. Look at post#15. Avatar is my Seebold.
Oh okay sorry I was confused ..... Let's see some pictures of your SEEBOLD, how did the Stv run with a #6??? We Tryin to run run about 10 years ago with a number 6 and it wasn't enough diameter we needed the number 4

[PARKER RABE]

I see that prop is a right hand , what Diameter and pitch is it?

[Pit]

319210 I was there, just before lift off....

[PARKER RABE]

Good shot!

[PARKER RABE]

Wanna hear more about the handling and the speedmaster set up

[texasvector]

Good shot!

Good shot I agree...but at 95+.....= kite in low flight!

[CUDA]

Higher is not faster, Monty was testing the first boat I built (heavy) with a pure stock 225 90's Rude , no clean up , box stock with a 29 SRX he hit 99 gps he was checking the carbs that he just cleaned out.
Speedmasters are for tunnels.

[baja200merk]

Higher is not faster, Monty was testing the first boat I built (heavy) with a pure stock 225 90's Rude , no clean up , box stock with a 29 SRX he hit 99 gps he was checking the carbs that he just cleaned out.
Speedmasters are for tunnels.

Ive been wondering where his hair went :D

[Dave Strong]

319210 I was there, just before lift off....

Might just be me but seeing alot of positive trim for a 100mph run ? :eek:

Dave :)

[baja200merk]

What's done to the power head?

[patchesII]

Into the wind and trimmed like that is begging for it

[XstreamVking]

I have ran my King with, and w/o the windshield. It does seem to help some keeping the bow down at higher speeds. This boat had no w/s just my 2cts .

[JerseyChris]

Glad you're ok.. Where are you running at? I run down on the Delaware and launch in Burlington.. Going to go out tomorrow night at high tide.

[Pit]

319285Positive Trim..

[Dave Strong]

319285Positive Trim..

And No wind. :D

Dave :leaving:

[josh7_78]

319285Positive Trim..

and twice the weight of a vking

[CUDA]

I bet if he had a regular lower unit on he would not have gone over .

[baja200merk]

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/d9/d94af385157f0891f5906ddf3eafdb7f6cdf2aabcd71a173653b3111a529da47.jpg

[whipper]

Wow glad ya survived!! In the pick you didnt even have much trim thats odd how much lift was generated to me? What prop were ya using? Im not being critical at all genuinely curious because of the neutral position of the motor and the hight of the bow just seems strange. I had a prop crack and my allison did a transom stand at 92 and pivoted right around the other way. I thought I was going to be flipped out over the top of the seat but hung on and came to a big slash dead stop almost barrel rolling a compete 160 not quite a 180 like a spinning top!! Was your prop ok any cracks in it I guess Im trying say? :rolleyes:

[CUDA]

So you're saying a LU does not give you tail lift?

[PARKER RABE]

what kind of miles per hour do you feel the Speedmaster had on the boat compared to a big case?

[PARKER RABE]

what was the pitch in diameter you were running that day?

[whipper]

All good question so others don't repeat this. Some say over trimmed but i just cant get over that pic just before lift off. The motor to me doesn't look very trimmed out at all or am i seeing things? Is it possable the case,hull,prop combo together creates way to much lift for the speeds produced? The pressure under the hull was so great to literately lift the hull right over at only 100. Thats wild!!

[Dave Strong]

All good question so others don't repeat this. Some say over trimmed but i just cant get over that pic just before lift off. The motor to me doesn't look very trimmed out at all or am i seeing things? Is it possable the case,hull,prop combo together creates way to much lift for the speeds produced? The pressure under the hull was so great to literately lift the hull right over at only 100. Thats wild!!

Just might be my eyes but the nose was up and the motor was looking fairly level, less trim nose and motor would look different.

Dave

[Robby321]

Just might be my eyes but the nose was up and the motor was looking fairly level, less trim nose and motor would look different.Dave

Dave ya beat me to what I was thinking today. The hull from what I can tell plenty out the water. What I think "looking for more trim out" is asking for for trouble. Simple getting more air under the hull now gets ya a good look at the sky. Never kited a boat all my life but came DAMN close at WOT one time. Hit a plowing cruiser roller and probably glad I had weight the front seat a friend mine as we were verticle but the gearcase landed first and dragged the front down. Scary chit but a "fun moment". :eek::eek:;):D

My suggestion as just a guess, as don't know the boat set up seen close. But raising the nose (trim) gets more water friction assend. Hull already has air, so try a trim DOWN to get the assend raised at WOT, then air under the hull will turn the ride into "a floater" :confused:

Anyway, sorry to hear this, as one damn nice fine boat! Wish the best it and you, Robby

[patchesII]

319285Positive Trim..

You couldn't blow that boat over in a hurricane

[Robby321]

Little more what I saying. I know Bobby personal..Built my Switzer XS back the 70's. Just a "good read" here when him and Dave built the "Wing". But look at the pic. Motors are "tucked in", not out!


"The Day I Flew a Boat" by: Robert Switzer

It all began with a phone call, (person to person) to me, Bob Switzer, from Carl Kiekhaefer, President of Mercury Marine. The date was July 17th, 1962. The meat of the call was a request for Switzer Craft to build a boat for twin Mercury 100 H.P. outboards that would exceed 100 M.P.H. on water.

The call was impressive. Imagine ... out of hundreds of boat builders, we were called to do this project. We immediately began designing our first effort based on the pattern of the Switzer Hydro Cat (commonly referred to as the "Switzer Wing"). In 1961, the Switzer (U4) wing was a major breakthrough in the twin engine Stock Outboard Pleasure Craft Class U. (Unlimited engines but required to be a minimum of 15 feet in length.) The first Switzer Wing was built in 9 days, just prior to the Winnebago Outboard pleasure craft event, where the Switzer Craft Wing finished first overall, and the next two classes were also won by other Switzer models. The U4 was the first Cat to exceed 80 M.P.H. with only a pair of 76 cu. in. 80 H.P. Outboards. (see below)

Our first new design developed to meet Mr. Kiekhaefer's request was not a complete success. At speeds of over 85 M.P.H. the bow had a tendency to kite or "bow up" (a feared maneuver of every driver).

In late August, we tried a new hull concept, mounting the engines mid-ship in a hull much like the Hickman Sea Sled. It featured square simple lines and a shovel nose. We hoped that the engines forward could control any bow lift tendencies. Much to our regret the trial runs showed that the thrust of the propellers forward and under the hull clamped the back of the boat to the water and drag was too much for our twin 80 H.P. Mercury's to overcome in the initial plane off.

Time was slipping away, the leaves were turning into their fall colors and we estimated approximately five weeks of open water to test on the Fox River near our plant. A decision had to be made... Do we call Mr. Kiekhaefer and postpone the project until spring, or do we keep going "right up to the wire" as the saying goes. The decision was made! Keep going!

My brother, Dave Switzer was the designer in charge of the construction phase of this project. He knew that now the pressure was on to design and build that 100 M.P.H. boat in minimum time. Russell "Pop" Switzer, a pioneer in light aircraft and sea planes since World War I, injected some new ideas he had long thought were necessary to control a boat at flying speeds. Dave welcomed these new ideas and also accepted a weight distribution change that I had recommended. We also concentrated on making a cleaner air-flow version of his original U-4. Several days later the materials were flying into shape and the U-6 hull was finished in record time. With time running out fast it was rigged for the first test runs.

The time was now! We proceeded to the test area on Nov. 29th, 1962, only to find that there was a 1/4" of ice on the river, stopping all progress. The weather reports promised warmer weather for the next day. All was held in readiness. November 30, temperature 45° -Sky clear -water open and calm. Time, 10:00 A.M. we launched the U-106. I got into the enclosed plexiglass cockpit (much like the capsule boats of today) , checked out all instruments, fired up engine #1, check, #2, check, water pressure and cooling systems OK, tachometer reading steady, fuel pressure normal, closed the aircraft type canopy over the cockpit, bring the engines to warm up speed and taxi to position for a wide open run.

Now, increasing speed to 50 mph -60-70 -80 and now at the speed range where the previous design started to kite I used the foot throttle over-ride and steering with my left hand, I put my right hand on "Pop" Switzer's stabilizing control lever which operated the elevon (wing tail flap) controlling the last 2 feet of the center section between the twin hulls. At 85 M.P.H. the bow lifted slightly off the horizon - too high for safety, I pushed the lever forward to position 1 ( of 4) and the horizon line returned to normal. Now, at 90 M.P.H. a slight bow lift again, lever to position #2, now the bow was normal in good trim again. Suddenly, at this moment many things seemed to occur. While my 17 pitch (Record props from Switzerland) were turning almost 6,000 R.P.M. my neck snapped back, the Hull lifted off the water about 2-4 inches ... no vibrations from water contact. I felt like I was in a sea plane just after lift off of the water. The R.P.M.'s suddenly dropped back to approximately 5,000, and at the same time the speed increased to the shrill sound of the two engines harmonically balanced. I glanced down at the Keller calibrated speedometer, reading 96-97 -98-99 -100 with those 76 cu. in. 80 H.P. direct reversing engines revving at nearly 7,000 R.P.M. I knew we had just what Mr. Kiekhaefer asked for. Now, almost tranquil from the experience of "The Day I Flew a Boat" with a full boundary layer of air between the hull and the water and seeing houses go by like a picket fence. I realized that the straight away water was fast running out. So, deceleration of the U-6 was started with the same caution used in increasing the speed. The stabilizer control was returned to various positions as the speed was reduced. When the boat speed was between 80 and 85 there was a loud sound and vibration from the hull re-entering the water almost like driving from the highway to a washboard gravel country road. Taxiing to the launching site where all the Switzer Craft crew were on hand for the verdict I could hear all the questions. How did it handle? How fast did it go? What was it like? .....And, you know the answers.

The Hull was then returned to the factory for final preparations to be delivered to Mr. Kiekhaefer at Lake X where she was fitted with a pair of 99 cu. in. 100 H.P. engines with stacks and double pinion speedmasters. She went on to reach speeds in excess of 120 M.P.H. This same hull driven by both Johnny Bakos and Dave Craig startled many of the onlookers and the Helicopter pilots that could not keep up with her to allow the photographers to film her, as she won the Gold Coast Marathon from Miami to Palm Beach and return on the inland coastal waters, with a record average speed of 81.78 M.P.H. that may still stand today!

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[afr]

the video stops ???
do u have the full video

[baja200merk]

You couldn't blow that boat over in a hurricane

This.....

[outasite]

Having run a speedy on a Hydrostream for many years,I can tell you with certainty it is a different boat!! Better and worse.Better because it's FASTER about 10 mph.Worse because when the setup is right the whole boat is lifted (good)with very little drag at the rear to act as an anchor (bad)to pull the nose back down when flight begins.My only blow over with a stream was a vector,the first day out with the speedy.By the time you figure out your a little to high and let off,even slowly the bow will continue to rise.You need to catch it early in order to save it.Once you learn to drive it,It's a KILLER combo! A 14/15 with a 17" @ 7300 will make your hair stand up!

[powerabout]

So you're saying a LU does not give you tail lift?
depends on the design

[powerabout]

I love old boats were they can say I do 100mph with my 100hp, how fast do you go today with your 200hp?

[skaterx]

Having run a speedy on a Hydrostream for many years,I can tell you with certainty it is a different boat!! Better and worse.Better because it's FASTER about 10 mph.Worse because when the setup is right the whole boat is lifted (good)with very little drag at the rear to act as an anchor (bad)to pull the nose back down when flight begins.My only blow over with a stream was a vector,the first day out with the speedy.By the time you figure out your a little to high and let off,even slowly the bow will continue to rise.You need to catch it early in order to save it.Once you learn to drive it,It's a KILLER combo! A 14/15 with a 17" @ 7300 will make your hair stand up!
Could not have said it better. I was running 18 pitch

[PARKER RABE]

He'll yeah I've had every lower unit made by mercury , nothing like a speedmaster, little harder and More expensive to take care of that for sure!!!!:)

[PARKER RABE]

My favorite prop for mine is a 4 blade 18 , dewald , things just plain out hauls ass

[PARKER RABE]

I got a 3 blade 20 LH that will just plain out scare u . Big difference on the top end in a tunnel boat with a 3 blade vs. a 4

[PARKER RABE]

I bet the same would go for the stream also ...:)

[skaterx]

My favorite prop for mine is a 4 blade 18 , dewald , things just plain out hauls ass I got a 18 and 19 4 blade from Dave 18 Did 100 on the STV with two of us in it and 20 gals of fuel until the back seat driver told me to slow down

[outasite]

Now that Stecky is NLA,who can freshen up a twin pinion! And do it right.

[PARKER RABE]

I got a 18 and 19 4 blade from Dave 18 Did 100 on the STV with two of us in it and 20 gals of fuel until the back seat driver told me to slow down
LOL....I know what's that's all about that's for sure , told her I wasn't selling it , I had to buy her a center console .....took care of that:)

[Dave Strong]

LOL....I know what's that's all about that's for sure , told her I wasn't selling it , I had to buy her a center console .....took care of that:)

Good thing I would have disowned your azz f you sold that. :eek:;)

Dave :cheers:

[Robby321]

Good thing I would have disowned your azz f you sold that. :eek:;)

Dave :cheers:

Nope Dave..be a "roadtrip" us. (I'll find a 67 Chevy for the ride) and kick silly some dumbass, "stupid SOB", one who gotta stop following his hardon some bitch that says what to do. Plus the "Parkfucstik" is soon headed with age? "Can I get a prescription Viagra "and a Rum and coke and do not stir/shake/no ice/..oh heck.."skip the coke too"

(And STOP PLAYING WITH YER LOWER UNITS ya "Parkstic"! :rolleyes::p;):D:thumbsup:

[PARKER RABE]

Tunnels in the garage ready to go, impala s down right now I fouled the plugs out just thumping around the beach . It's a real bitch putting plugs in it , headers are in the way , taked me at least 3 hours to do it and at least 5 or 6 drinks

[PARKER RABE]

Seebolds not for sale , I said to myself , this is the only one in the world , I can't sell this thing :) so it's here with dust all over it , along with all my other crap. I figured , screw it , at least it's fun to look at :)

[Dave Strong]

Seebolds not for sale , I said to myself , this is the only one in the world , I can't sell this thing :) so it's here with dust all over it , along with all my other crap. I figured , screw it , at least it's fun to look at :)

Ata boy, working on the passport thing. Might see you this year after winterizing season. ;)

Dave:cheers:

[PARKER RABE]

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