Just bought a Magnum Missile, anyone know this one?

[HeavyDuty]

It was the one on eBay a month ago, burgundy one in Ames Iowa. Evinrude 200 on the back. Restored and in storage for 20+ years.

[Bobbyclam]

Nice boat. ....
good luck with it. I had one many years ago when I lived on Long Island
sold it to a buddy who has it now in Florida
origibal owner was a dentist and ran it to his practice in manhattan from the north shore of Long Island
was called the Tooth Fairy
one of the boats that I owned that was most fun ....

[Fish]

good looking missile.

[HeavyDuty]

Nice boat. ....
good luck with it. I had one many years ago when I lived on Long Island
sold it to a buddy who has it now in Florida
origibal owner was a dentist and ran it to his practice in manhattan from the north shore of Long Island
was called the Tooth Fairy
one of the boats that I owned that was most fun ....

Cool story, thanks. Who has it in FLA and where? I'm in Stuart...

[HeavyDuty]

good looking missile. Thanks, was really happy with it when it showed up.

[Bobbyclam]

My buddy is in veto bbeach if your ever near the area look him up
he owns Joeys Seafood Shop

[Bobbyclam]

That's Vero
Beach

[HeavyDuty]

Figured that :) I was up there yesterday, I'll look him up sometime. Thanks!

Gio at Magnum has one the same color as mine as well.

[Bob Zipps]

HeavyDuty, Just curious, is the Gas Tank Filler Cap on the side of your Missile, or is it on the top corner of the motor well???

Magnum made a change in the design. Gas Tank Filler Cap on the side of the boat was the earlier style, and then on the top corner of the motor well was the later style.

A picture would be great if you have one.

Thanks!

[Mark75H]

Bob, we need to start a running list of Missiles to figure out if Brownie is right about the production quantity

[PARKER RABE]

My dad bought the molds from arronow in 1975 we started building them calling them rabco hustlers, we built about 50 them

[peterse90]

Bob, we need to start a running list of Missiles to figure out if Brownie is right about the production quantity

I got to drive a white Missle in the mid 70's that had a Merc 135 then later had an in-line 150 that IMO was the right power for that hull.
This was here in Canada on Lake Simcoe, Ontario and I think that was the hull that was used to flip to make some lite-weight copies called Micon.
I would guess the one I drove was a late 60's / early 70's and I distinctly remember the filler being near the motor well.
It was originally owned by Paul Fingold.
When Merc V6's were used some bad things followed.

If I remember with the 135 it went low to mid 60's and with the 150 maybe 65 to 68mph, I don't think it would hit 70.

[jackiewilson]

Sorry to be a pain in the asse interrupting intelligent conversation but I have to put in my four pennorth -----------the Torriggia and the Missile look identical to me----I bought mine in January 1965 from the Torrigia factory on Lake Como.
I had a '64 Mercury 1000 with a Rolla wheel, the most I ever saw from the Keller was 62 mph, I flipped that thing the full 360 degrees trying for more but that was it. Just telling you the way it was back then.
Still wonder which village Aranow went to------Como or Torriggia ?

[2us70]

The story around South Florida where these boats were made was that they were Schultz copies.

[HeavyDuty]

After some suggestions here and elsewhere, I'm looking to go with a 135 T.O.P. and re-label it with a Red Stripe decal pack for kicks.

I'm going out to look at the boat here in a bit and see where the fill is- I think fill is by the well, but didn't pay it too much attention.

Big as I am, I wouldn't mind that outside throttle set up, looks kinda of goofy, yet cool, at the same time. Need legroom, and shaking loose 3 or 4 more inches from the side would help me.

Have a buddy that was saying he had one with a 2.4 Bridgeport on it, and saw 95 on a radar gun. This is not what I'm after- comfortable and reasonably safe so my kid doesn't get killed in are. I'm happy if it gets up on plane and lasts without getting the transom sucked out on a sharp turn. :) 60 or so would be great. For now.


I got to drive a white Missle in the mid 70's that had a Merc 135 then later had an in-line 150 that IMO was the right power for that hull.
This was here in Canada on Lake Simcoe, Ontario and I think that was the hull that was used to flip to make some lite-weight copies called Micon.
I would guess the one I drove was a late 60's / early 70's and I distinctly remember the filler being near the motor well.
It was originally owned by Paul Fingold.
When Merc V6's were used some bad things followed.

If I remember with the 135 it went low to mid 60's and with the 150 maybe 65 to 68mph, I don't think it would hit 70.

[Bob Zipps]

Heavy Duty, I have to agree with Jackie. The V-6 that is currently on the boat is not only too much power, but it is also far too heavy for the boat. The boat is only 16 feet 6 inches long, and was initially made when I believe, 125 ponies was Mercs Biggest Inline 6 Motor for power and weight. There is a tremendous amount of lift to these boats to get boats going with the power that was available at that time. Jackie said he got 62 mph out of his with an in-line 6, which was a very respectable speed for a user lake boat back in 1969. But still, even with the in-line six motor, be very careful so you don't kill yourself.

Mark 75H, Finding all the Magnum Missiles now that were made is really a tough project. Not all the owners are on S&F, and some keep their ownership under wraps. I have seen several bone yard type Magnum Missiles in my travels in the past, and I don't know what ever happened to them.

I believe that only the Magnum Missiles had recesses in the decks for the three wood panel inserts, so the panels would be flush with the firberglass surface around it. One large wood panel in the front deck, and a small wood panel on each side of the boat at the aft end. In other words, someone cannot add the wood panels to a copy of a Missile, because the copies did not have the recesses. That is how I recognized the bone yard Missiles.


Sorry for going on and on, but I hope that all this helps.

[jackiewilson]

The story around South Florida where these boats were made was that they were Schultz copies.

The story was wrong. I spent a lot of time in Austria with Dieter and bought five boats off'n him. His tunnels were totally different to the Italians. Missile is definitely Italian.
Renato, Ceasere , and Tullio all closely copied each other every step of the way.
Molinari and Scotti were race boat builders, Abbate were pleasure boat manufacturers who built a few tunnels although Molinari did go into production boats for a short while.

Put a 64 Cetti Torriggia and a 64 Molinari side by side and I doubt anyone could tell the difference, of the two, I think the Cetti boat was the more "Beautiful" in construction and finish.
They had an oven for drying the boats in Torriggia which gave them the edge.
Never did know the real story-----but around 66/7/8 Molinari acquired the Torriggia factory.
If Aronow had just gone 10 miles up the coast from Como, tunnel boat history could have been a whole different story.

[HeavyDuty]

Thanks Bob, I agree, it was decided when I bought the boat to chuck the 200XP, mainly because its too heavy and too much, but also its the wrong color... :)

I know a couple guys that have these, would be nice to see more of them surface, but the production numbers seem all over the place. Harold at Magnum has production figs on some of the others- I'll check with him and see what he says about Missiles. Giovanni has one, still sitting at the plant. I have 3 Magnum 27's in my yard, and they knew the original buyers of each one when I took the VIN's down there.

Was someone else making them besides Parkers dad? I've only seen them- someone else popped a copy? Not like its unheard of... :)

[Bob Zipps]

Heavy Duty, According to the an earlier statement on the Magnum Company website regarding the Magnum Missile, and I quote: "Approximately 30 are believed to have been built". These are words from the Magnum Company, not mine. So we are not really sure how many Magnum Missiles were made.

Unfortunately, all the Magnum Missiles were all made before Boat Manufacturers were required to permanently affix the Boat's Hull Number into the outside of the transom. The Magnum Missiles had a small decal that had the name of the Magnum Company and the boat's Hull Number. This decal was on the inside of the transom. I don't think it's a good idea to post the hull numbers of the boats that still have them.

Hope that this helps.

[Greg G]

The story was wrong. I spent a lot of time in Austria with Dieter and bought five boats off'n him. His tunnels were totally different to the Italians. Missile is definitely Italian.
Renato, Ceasere , and Tullio all closely copied each other every step of the way.
Molinari and Scotti were race boat builders, Abbate were pleasure boat manufacturers who built a few tunnels although Molinari did go into production boats for a short while.

Put a 64 Cetti Torriggia and a 64 Molinari side by side and I doubt anyone could tell the difference, of the two, I think the Cetti boat was the more "Beautiful" in construction and finish.
They had an oven for drying the boats in Torriggia which gave them the edge.
Never did know the real story-----but around 66/7/8 Molinari acquired the Torriggia factory.
If Aronow had just gone 10 miles up the coast from Como, tunnel boat history could have been a whole different story.

Mr. Wilson, these are very interesting insights. If I might ask, with Don Aronow selling Formula in mid 1964 and then, next starting up his next venture, whose molds do you think he actually bought? Or do you believe that he copied a design (which one?) and built his boat. Very curious. Thx

[Greg G]

I have 3 Magnum 27's in my yard, and they knew the original buyers of each one when I took the VIN's down there.

HD, which models are the 27' Magnums that you have in your boat yard?

[HeavyDuty]

HD, which models are the 27' Magnums that you have in your boat yard?

Its not a boat yard. Its MY yard at my house. All 3 are sedans.

[HeavyDuty]

Hey Bob, the tank fill is on the starboard side. I need to clean the boat up and get it in some sunlight to shoot some decent pix of it. Crammed in my shop right now, and needs a light wipe down, really impressed with how clean it is though.


HeavyDuty, Just curious, is the Gas Tank Filler Cap on the side of your Missile, or is it on the top corner of the motor well???

Magnum made a change in the design. Gas Tank Filler Cap on the side of the boat was the earlier style, and then on the top corner of the motor well was the later style.

A picture would be great if you have one.

Thanks!

[T2x]

The story was wrong. I spent a lot of time in Austria with Dieter and bought five boats off'n him. His tunnels were totally different to the Italians. Missile is definitely Italian.


Jackie...sorry but I have to weigh in here. I have told the story of Bob Meyer's two Schultz's previously. one was a twin engine hull which he raced, and a single which, i believe, went to Aronow as a plug. Since both of those hulls looked a lot like the Magnum ....and ....the Molinari's....can you please specifically tell us what was "totally different" between the early, open cockpit Shultz and Molinari designs?

[Mark75H]

The Magnum factory info comes from Alan Brown. If there are only 30 of them, they sure change hands often.

There were other copies ... may have actually been copies of the Rabco, copies of copies

[peterse90]

HeavyDuty, Just curious, is the Gas Tank Filler Cap on the side of your Missile, or is it on the top corner of the motor well???

Magnum made a change in the design. Gas Tank Filler Cap on the side of the boat was the earlier style, and then on the top corner of the motor well was the later style.

A picture would be great if you have one.

Thanks!

These are from the 1970 Johnson brochure, fuel tank cap near motor well.
Wish I still had my Magnum Missle brochure showing a red hull with Merc 125 (if I remember Don Aronow was driving) and you could clearly see the Quicksilver control mounted on the hull side.307314307315307316

[jackiewilson]

Jackie...sorry but I have to weigh in here. I have told the story of Bob Meyer's two Schultz's previously. one was a twin engine hull which he raced, and a single which, i believe, went to Aronow as a plug. Since both of those hulls looked a lot like the Magnum ....and ....the Molinari's....can you please specifically tell us what was "totally different" between the early, open cockpit Shultz and Molinari designs?

Couple of things make me quite certain that the missile is Italian, Dieter was an innovator not a copier, I never saw anything Schultze built that was remotely "Missile" shaped, at that time he was building hydro's and the 17'-6" bulbous front. Both Angelo and Jeremia were building identical " "Missile" shaped tunnels, even so I could be totally wrong.
But Rich I'm 83 and rapidly going "do-lally" as Jilly keeps telling me, the memory is shot, and I like to "discuss" . Take care Rich, see you in Tavares.

[Bob Zipps]

Peterse90, Thanks for your post with the photo from the 1970 Model Year Johnson Sales Catalog. That photo shows the later style boat with the gas cap on the top starboard corner of the motor well.

That photo also shows the later style Magnum Logo decal which was relatively small and was placed on the wood panel on each side of the boat. The earlier style boat used a very large Magnum Logo decal, which was on each side of the boat just ahead of the wood panel. I assume that the very large decals were the same ones that were used on the large off shore boats.

The Magnum Missile Sales folder shows the early style boat with the gas cap on the side of the boat, and also shows the earlier style Magnum Logo very large decal.


Hope that this helps.

[HeavyDuty]

They had to have built more than 30, it seems like they're a lot more than still around...

Maybe just my imagination... :)

[seeroy]

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[STEVERINO]

Jackie...sorry but I have to weigh in here. I have told the story of Bob Meyer's two Schultz's previously. one was a twin engine hull which he raced, and a single which, i believe, went to Aronow as a plug. Since both of those hulls looked a lot like the Magnum ....and ....the Molinari's....can you please specifically tell us what was "totally different" between the early, open cockpit Shultz and Molinari designs? In 1969 I saw a twin engine Schultz Cat at Bill Shakespears boatyard at Tewksbury in the UK` it was in his used boat compound must have been 20ft at least`but we never ran twin engine outfits in the UK` when I asked Bill about it he said he was trying to sell it for someone but he did tell me Alfi Bullen had already tried it out in a offshore powerboat race but it never liked the rough water.The Shultz circuit cats were 17ft and 15ft the picture is of a 15ft boat?

[STEVERINO]

In 1969 I saw a twin engine Schultz Cat at Bill Shakespears boatyard at Tewksbury in the UK` it was in his used boat compound must have been 20ft at least`but we never ran twin engine outfits in the UK` when I asked Bill about it he said he was trying to sell it for someone but he did tell me Alfi Bullen had already tried it out in a offshore powerboat race but it never liked the rough water.The Shultz circuit cats were 17ft and 15ft the picture is of a 15ft boat? Sorry messed up here it is?307348

[Bobbyclam]

Heavy duty
fyi my boat had the throttle outside !

[Mark75H]

Rabco or one of the later copies



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[PARKER RABE]

thats a rabco

[PARKER RABE]

thats the fast bottom too, we had 2 hull molds , thats the one with the flatter running surface, gave the boat more lifr , where the other one went down from the rub rail at a 45 right to the bottom, lot less lift.......alot of people got hurt with the one shown in the pic

[PARKER RABE]

see where we took the recess area out of the back of the deck. i remember there being 2 deck molds also, of course i was very young at the time......alot of cocktails since those days ! lol

[PARKER RABE]

sam do a search in south florida craigslist, for rabco , and cut and paste that photo here si i can show u the deck modifications, its a yellow boat and it has the same bottom and a different deck

[PARKER RABE]

i cant do if from my i pad

[PARKER RABE]

we tooled a new deck for the hull, we only built about 10 of them, the last hustler we built was in 1988

[PARKER RABE]

the molds were left outside and finally were junked about 15 years ago

[PARKER RABE]

we also made rabco hustler stickers to look as the same place and shape as the magnum missle on the rear

[PARKER RABE]

sam look in the rabco galleries and theres a 5or 6 pictures of both styles of decks , one with the little windshild and notice where the back of the deck swoops down at the top , where the other goes strait back

there a good shot of one at lake maggorie with my buddy with a purple wig on, boat had a killer paint job, done by tim sourrences at artforms, here in st pete....very tallented painter that did all of our rabcos, all of them.

[shadowcat]

Peter.....I believe it was "Miken" or "Mikken" ......in my humble opinion 307378...I met the gentleman that made them up here last weekend ironically and he told me he made about 50 of them (Mikkens)....my brother in law had one in the 80's

[Bob Zipps]

The following was written in one of the sales flyers for the Magnum Missile when they were originally being sold.

"While racing in Europe in 1966 and 1967, he (Don Aronow) watched the famous Molinari, Shultze, and other catamarans sweep race after race, including the Paris 6-Hour Marathon. He saw them outrun almost every other type of boat ever made. Then he bought two of the best to see if they were adaptable to pleasure boating and fiberglass construction."

and also:

"The Maltese Magnum 16 was developed and engineered by the Magnum Marine Development Team, which includes Don Aronow, Tarleton Trotter and Jim Breuil, Jr. Engineers, designers, research analysts, craftsmen and competition racing drivers, ...."

The above sentence says "Maltese Magnum 16" and doesn't actually say "Missile",

Hope that this helps.

[Bob Zipps]

By the way, Mercury put out Boat House Bulletin No. BHB 68-9-5 with a Test Date 1-19-68 for the Magnum Missile powered by a Merc 1250E with a 26 inch pitch, Bronze, 2 Blade Prop. Speed with one person 60.3 mph, with 2 persons 54.6 mph.

Hope that this helps.

[Mark75H]

The above sentence says "Maltese Magnum 16" and doesn't actually say "Missile"

Yeah, Don wasn't real careful with his marketing consistency. You've pointed that out before.;)

[seeroy]

I wrote this on 3/13/2005 about my summer working for Don Aronow in the late 1960s.

When things finally quieted down back in Miami, Don asked me to rig a small tunnel hull that he had acquired. I had a little time in a Molinari at Lake X, so I took that project on with relish. I finally got the tunnel in the water and ran it around the area some. It crowhopped alot but it ran pretty well. I went back to the dock and got Don. We ran around for awhile and, since this was his first ride in a tunnel, he was thrilled. Also, it was his birthday and he proclaimed this ride to be a great present. He went back into the office and, as I walked by the parts room, I noticed an "elephant ear" prop on the floor. I didn't know who it belonged to...so...I immediately acquired it for Don's birthday boat. WOW! Now it flew like the Molinari had at the Lake. I went into the office and told Don he had to go for another ride. He said he was too busy... so, once again, I hit him as hard as I could and told him he had to go for another ride....which he did. He could not believe how much better it ran and told me to strip the boat immediately so he could pull a mold from it.....which he did. Thus was born the "Magnum Missle".

[HeavyDuty]

Great stuff Seeroy! What toys do you have around? I'm heading to Jaxport in a couple days, AB is on the way. Happy to show you this one if you're down my way. I'm jammed for time today and can't get out yet for pix, but will post them soon. Looking for a replacement motor for it- if I get it done, will bring it up to Tavares.


I wrote this on 3/13/2005 about my summer working for Don Aronow in the late 1960s.

When things finally quieted down back in Miami, Don asked me to rig a small tunnel hull that he had acquired. I had a little time in a Molinari at Lake X, so I took that project on with relish. I finally got the tunnel in the water and ran it around the area some. It crowhopped alot but it ran pretty well. I went back to the dock and got Don. We ran around for awhile and, since this was his first ride in a tunnel, he was thrilled. Also, it was his birthday and he proclaimed this ride to be a great present. He went back into the office and, as I walked by the parts room, I noticed an "elephant ear" prop on the floor. I didn't know who it belonged to...so...I immediately acquired it for Don's birthday boat. WOW! Now it flew like the Molinari had at the Lake. I went into the office and told Don he had to go for another ride. He said he was too busy... so, once again, I hit him as hard as I could and told him he had to go for another ride....which he did. He could not believe how much better it ran and told me to strip the boat immediately so he could pull a mold from it.....which he did. Thus was born the "Magnum Missle".

[peterse90]

Peter.....believe it was "Mikken" ......in my humble opinion 307378

Ted, you are probably correct MIKKEN.
Kenny Ross was the guy who used to drive Fingold's Magnum and let me drive it, and it was Kenny that did the MIKKEN thing.

That is exactly the Magnum picture I was referring to - looks like Aronow actually driving ??
Wish I still had my copy.:mad:

[Mark75H]

I wrote this on 3/13/2005 about my summer working for Don Aronow in the late 1960s.

When things finally quieted down back in Miami, Don asked me to rig a small tunnel hull that he had acquired. I had a little time in a Molinari at Lake X, so I took that project on with relish. I finally got the tunnel in the water and ran it around the area some. It crowhopped alot but it ran pretty well. I went back to the dock and got Don. We ran around for awhile and, since this was his first ride in a tunnel, he was thrilled. Also, it was his birthday and he proclaimed this ride to be a great present. He went back into the office and, as I walked by the parts room, I noticed an "elephant ear" prop on the floor. I didn't know who it belonged to...so...I immediately acquired it for Don's birthday boat. WOW! Now it flew like the Molinari had at the Lake. I went into the office and told Don he had to go for another ride. He said he was too busy... so, once again, I hit him as hard as I could and told him he had to go for another ride....which he did. He could not believe how much better it ran and told me to strip the boat immediately so he could pull a mold from it.....which he did. Thus was born the "Magnum Missle".

Steve, do you think it was a Moli or something else?

[seeroy]

Steve, do you think it was a Moli or something else?

It was not a Molinari. It was wood construction. I have no idea what it was or where it came from. It just appeared in the shop while I was riding with Don in a California race. Shortly afterwards I went back to school in Tampa.

[Old fiberglass]

Jan Schoonover felt the Magnum was a loose copy of his Dutchman tunnel. His first wood tunnel that he built was "loaned" to someone in Florida with the promise that no one pull a mold off of it. He never filled me in on who he loaned it to, but a splash was pulled off of it. Jan had some hard feelings about it all.

Do you recall the color of the boat by chance ?? All the pictures I have seen of the wood Dutchman tunnel it was a red deck with a white hull.

[jackiewilson]

Evening Stavros in those days, all the tunnels were wood, was only later that glass was even considered, early attempts were overweight and unsatisfactory ---there was a "feel" with wood that never came with glass ( for me anyway).
thre is a misconception that the first pair of tunnels to run Paris in 1964 were 'Molinaris" -------they weren't, they were Torriggias, owned and raced by the Rassini brothersl, they led from start to the five hour mark when they had a coming together, by that time we all knew the way boats were going to go. I bought Carlo Rassini's boat in the January of 65.
The Torriggias were works of art, which makes me wonder if Aronow bought the other one.
Willabee has all the old pics I had, maybe he will post a piccie.

[Old fiberglass]

Tunnel boat history seems very murky to say the least. How come the Torriggias didn't catch on like the Molinaris did ??

[T2x]

Jan Schoonover felt the Magnum was a loose copy of his Dutchman tunnel. His first wood tunnel that he built was "loaned" to someone in Florida with the promise that no one pull a mold off of it. He never filled me in on who he loaned it to, but a splash was pulled off of it. Jan had some hard feelings about it all.

Do you recall the color of the boat by chance ?? All the pictures I have seen of the wood Dutchman tunnel it was a red deck with a white hull.

I believe the Dutchman tunnel hulls came well after the Magnum went on sale....When the Magnum first hit the water, Jan was still working with "Wing" designs. It wasn't until the tunnels ran competitively with the wings (in lap times) , and by then there were at least a dozen tunnel variants, that the tunnel revolution occurred.

[T2x]

Sorry messed up here it is?307348

The boat pictured is a later model. The Schultz's, I am referring to had completely open cockpits.

[T2x]

Dieter winning Havasu........ I rest my case.

If that doesn't look like a Magnum Missile....What does????

[jackiewilson]

Most of the tunnel boat history is fairly well documented-----it did get a bit frantic in the late sixties and early seventies-----we all had a crack at making them.
I don't know the exact story of the demise of Torriggias and Jeremiah Cetti-------do know for a fact that Molinari took over the Torriggia factory when he got the Mercury contract.

[jackiewilson]

Dieter winning Havasu........ I rest my case.

If that doesn't look like a Magnum Missile....What does????

A 17' Torriggia by a country mile------You want to "Discuss" this Rich.

[T2x]

A 17' Torriggia by a country mile------You want to "Discuss" this Rich.

Sure! Let's start with , dyhedral, tunnel width, sponson width, and compression....bet you wont find much difference between any of them....and don't forget deck design....anyway this is very much like the Schulze HydroKet hulls that Bob Meyers had back in '66.

Of course if you mean you want to "discuss" this in person, I will shut up now..... see you at OFF.
The drinks are on me.

[jackiewilson]

Sure! Let's start with , dyhedral, tunnel width, sponson width, and compression....bet you wont find much difference between any of them....and don't forget deck design....anyway this is very much like the Schulze HydroKet hulls that Bob Meyers had back in '66.

Of course if you mean you want to "discuss" this in person, I will shut up now..... see you at OFF.
The drinks are on me.

Will take you up on the drink Rich!
First went to Saltzburgh in 1966 so never got to see the early tunnels, he had moved on to the bulb fronted 17' by then, but you were right-----in '64 both Italian marques looked very similar.
DYHEDRAL was only the boatbuilders jargon for " tunnel /sponson angle" and it does sound impressive ----- first TRUE tunnels were Vee bottoms, cut in half and a spreader put between, so width was very hit and miss. Depth, take your pick, ? there was very little deck design in 64----about as much as a table top. ( just my memory ). We will have fun in Tavares Rich, don't ever " shut up" my friend, just be yourself.

[willabee]

.....thre is a misconception that the first pair of tunnels to run Paris in 1964 were 'Molinaris" -------they weren't, they were Torriggias, owned and raced by the Rassini brothersl, they led from start to the five hour mark when they had a coming together, by that time we all knew the way boats were going to go. I bought Carlo Rassini's boat in the January of 65.
The Torriggias were works of art, which makes me wonder if Aronow bought the other one.
Willabee has all the old pics I had, maybe he will post a piccie.

He didn't buy the second one, but here are the pics as requested ...... along with a Missile, a Dutchman & a Molinari

Torrigias from about 65, Molinari about 67, Dutchman about 68 and Magnum about 69 :smiletest:

[Mark75H]

anyway this is very much like the Schulze HydroKet hulls that Bob Meyers had back in '66.

Bob Meyers? I thought Bud Babbett bought the 1966 Schulze?

Here are the 2 pics I found of the 1966 Havasu Schulze, built at Sidcraft, rigged at Jon Culver's and dragged to Havasu behind a used "estate car" Winner of the single engine class

Looks much like the Moli to me

[Mark75H]

Now, this is the round nose type described as an early Schulze tunnel ... you can see that he built a square nose and went back to a more conventional race boat round nose before he went lock step with everyone else on the square nose before everyone went pickle fork. There are other pics of other round nose Schulze tunnels from 1967/68

Server won't let me upload a pic right now ... maybe later

[HeavyDuty]

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Couple quick snaps from my Missile. Mechanic came yesterday, compression checked out at 110 on all 6, motor is perfect, like new basically. Too bad I don't dig it, I'm looking for a Tower Of Power for this baby! The 1987 Ev 200XP is getting sold after I run and play with it for a couple weeks...

[goodride]

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Couple quick snaps from my Missile. Mechanic came yesterday, compression checked out at 110 on all 6, motor is perfect, like new basically. Too bad I don't dig it, I'm looking for a Tower Of Power for this baby! The 1987 Ev 200XP is getting sold after I run and play with it for a couple weeks...


HEAVY DUTY
AS I was reading this post about your missle I said to my self if hes got a running missle and I have a runnin marauder

ship boy LETS RIDE

MAYBE WE COULD MEET AT CADILLACS RIGHT NEAR YOU I BET HE WOULD LET US RUN THERE !!!

nice smooth wide waterway in Stuart......off was there a few times

most people reading and enjoying your missle have been there


I'll bring up the Marauder and meet you there the sooner the better!!!! next couple of days?? an afternoon for 2-3 hours!!!

I am omc evinrude guy and had a gt 200 i know of a nice merc 1000 down here in lauderdale sooooo...

lets run the good old boats together and get some nice go pro and videos while you still have the rude on it

probably not a lot of chances for a magnum fun run around the world these days with the outboard models!!

but we have the boats right now.... my hull number says 042 on title which says magnum marine my brother and i have had it since 1974

easily get a 3rd cameraboat lightfoot and other friends live near stuart

looking for ya' lets do this what do you think??

need to let you know my marauder has stock bottom no modifications, and I
caught 69.4 on gps the last time I took it out not talking racing here now you know just running together for pictures and videos old school fastnfun

Joel

[HeavyDuty]

Hey Joel, I saw you were working on that one, great job! Call me on 305.910.7481 when you get a minute! Phil

[T2x]

Bob Meyers? I thought Bud Babbett bought the 1966 Schulze?

Here are the 2 pics I found of the 1966 Havasu Schulze, built at Sidcraft, rigged at Jon Culver's and dragged to Havasu behind a used "estate car" Winner of the single engine class

Looks much like the Moli to me

Nope...Bob Meyer...owner of Linden, NJ airport had two of them...First I ever saw...and built/imported from Europe. They were brand new, had Schulze decals on them, were beautiful, but very light. The twin was completely rigged but could not negotiate the large wakes in the Hudson (Haverstraw Bay) in the annual Nyack Regatta. I remember the boat sustained some damage and neither it nor Bob ever raced again. I raced a dual 16' Allison in that event and got creamed as well.... Can't remember if the single was completely rigged, but it was smaller and virtually identical in design. That's the boat that I think became the plug for the Magnum Missile. Bob Meyer and Aronow knew each other....

Most important fact...This was in July of '66....5 months BEFORE Dieter won Havasu.....

[Mark75H]

Nope...Bob Meyer...owner of Linden, NJ airport had two of them...First I ever saw...and built/imported from Europe. They were brand new, had Schulze decals on them, were beautiful, but very light. The twin was completely rigged but could not negotiate the large wakes in the Hudson (Haverstraw Bay) in the annual Nyack Regatta. I remember the boat sustained some damage and neither it nor Bob ever again. I raced a dual 16' Allison in that event and got creamed as well.... Can't remember if the single was completely rigged, but it was smaller and virtually identical in design. That's the boat that I think became the plug for the Magnum Missile. Bob Meyer and Aronow knew each other....

Most important fact...This was in July of '66....5 months BEFORE Dieter won Havasu.....

This makes more sense than any other scenario. It has all the right parts with the right timeline. It even explains the different bow shape of later Schulze builds

[goodride]

PHIL SO COOL OLD SCHOOL THATS ME ,
got scars from 64 gto's had 1962 AMERICAN MARK 15 FOOTER ??STARDUST??

WITH BLACK 63 MERC 1000

HEY MAN NO B.S.
WRITING AND TALKING ABOUT yesterday is cool

yesterday made us what we are now

you have a MAGNUM MISSLE....NOW...... a few older boat guys know


THE MAGNUM MISSILE... AND WHY.........
.......JUST BECAUSE heck for sure this thread on scream and fly is alive...

HEY BUD I KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE!! I know.....I have a MARAUDER....

LETS MEET UP AND RUN THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE FOR SEVERAL REASONS



1ST... OFF COMING''''''''GOOD WE CAN REAL WORLD TEST BEFOREHAND
2ND........ BOAT SHOW LAST FEW WEEKS OF OCTOBER NO SPARE TIME IN A WEEK OR TWO
3RD.......... I'M RUNNIN NOW AND HAVE NOT BEEN OUT FOR 6 WEEKS
4TH........... THOUGHT OF A TEST RUN BEFORE OFF AT CADDYS AND LEAVE MY MAGNUM THERE FOR A FEW WEEKS ALREADY TALKED TO CADDY ABOUT THAT..THEN SLIDE FROM THERE TO OFF

TO THE POINT

WELL there is a big antique and old school gathering of the speed boat mind...from yesterday COMING UP IN A FEW WEEKS

BACK IN 2011 AT CADDYS OFF I TALKED A COUPLE OTHER ALLISON GUYS TO RUN 3 WIDE AS A TRIBUTE MY RIVER RACER IS THE WHITE BOAT ON THE OUTSIDE

OFF 2015 -----------2 WIDE MALTESE MAGNUM MISSLE AND MARAUDER PARADE LAP AT 60 PLUS YOU DIG'

MEET UP FIRST AT ..CADDYS? ??NEVER TALKED TO HIM YET --- though -

NO SENSE BUGGING HIM IF WE CANT BOTH TEST THERE FIRST-
FOR TESTING AND BASELINE PICTURES
AND SO AS AS NOT TO KNOW THE BOATS WE NEED SEAT TIME!!!

we make a MAGNUM TEST RUN SIDE BY SIDE FOR THE FUN

WE HAVE GPS WE HAVE GO PRO WE HAVE VIDEOS, WE HAVE FUN AND JUST BRAG AND RUN THE 2 ARANOW MALTESE BOATS BEFORE OFF.

...AND NOW LISTEN NOW...THEY HAVE A CLASS MOSTLY REVEAUS LAST YEAR THEY SAID RUN THE MAGNUM
WITH THEM
1-2 LAPS IS FINE WITH ME HECK THE 1`/4 MILE DRAGS WAS FINE WITH ME

BUT PHIL JUST MAYBE WE HAVE SOME FUN WITH OUR MAGNUMS
REAL WORLD RUNNING..NOT TALKING ABOUT IT AND WHAT OR WHEN AND THEN LETS RUN SOON!

LETS RIDE


LETS RUN AND TRY FOR SOMETHING SPECIAL MAGNUM STYLE
REAL QUICK
OK FOR ME IN STUART SINCE THE MISSLE IS THERE..
.I RUN MARKHAM PARK WHICH IS BASICALLY WEST BROWARD NICE 7 MILE RUN BEEN 106 MPH IN THERE!

JOEL

P.S. WOULD GO TOMORROW AFTER 1 PM....I'M READY

ALSO I WILL START NEW THREAD AND APOLOGIZE FOR MESSIN UP THE MISSLE THREAD
COULD NOT RESIST THE THOUGHT

[HeavyDuty]

Joel, I may have met you before, used to have the shop that Tony SM is in now, know Dom and Shawn for years. Shawn tells me not to buy anything- everything is a piece of ****! :) Keeps me in line. :)

Was next to Tony on the other side by the tracks originally.

Caddy isn't calling me back, tried him a couple times to show him this baby.

Hands full this week, bought this 28' Cat boat that I'm going through and I have my tech coming in a couple days to hopefully get the Missile dialed in- new battery, fresh fuel, new plugs, and run it in the barrel.

Like I said- CALL ME. Its better for me than typing. 305.910.7481

Pic of the cat attached, you'll know why my hands are full!307804

All my pix are showing upside down! :D :D :D

[T2x]

Regarding OFF...The "Raveau" heat actually has a few Allisons, E&T's, and other not so slow boats, plus the big Raveau has a V6 Merc on the transom and runs beautifully.... A Magnum Marauder will fit right in.

T2x

[HeavyDuty]

Getting back to work this week on the Missile. Trying to take it to Tavares, will try and sell the Evinrude up there. Its shockingly clean.

Battery this week, fresh plugs, some numbers on the hull and a plate for the trailer, and get her in the water for a test.

One thing I'll definitely need, which was odd, but COOL odd. That side throttle, this boat is tight on my big ass. Need all the room I can get. And no- its not "go lose some weight" its more height and bone structure. Have a hard time tuckin' my legs under the dash.

Aronow was about 6'2"/6'3" if I remember right, he would also have trouble fitting into it. She's TIGHT. :) But what guy doesn't like it TIGHT??? :)

[peterse90]

After some suggestions here and elsewhere, I'm looking to go with a 135 T.O.P. and re-label it with a Red Stripe decal pack for kicks.

135 in-line Mercs (1970 & 1971) did have red stripes.
They went blue in 1972 and the 135 was replaced with the 140.

[HeavyDuty]

309650309651

For the guys who'd PM'd me about seeing my Magnum Missile in Tavares, I came down with 103/104F flu this week and not going. Was going to tow the boat up and run it, but after great assistance from Lloyd Leadfoot and some others, I missed the chance from my crappy cold I'm trying to shake. Then on top of it- my boat is upside down. :)

Took these pix today, the boat looks great, compression was 135 all 6 and mechanic said he would think the engine only has about 20 hours on it. I'm in Stuart and want to sell it, if anyone is interested- only the motor, not the boat.

Have a great time guys, maybe the next one...

[Bob V]

Then on top of it- my boat is upside down. :)

Here you go...


309656309657309658

[HeavyDuty]

Thanks Bob! They're right side up on the phone, the laptop, FB, etc. I'm cursed here!

[Tom Smyth]

309650309651

For the guys who'd PM'd me about seeing my Magnum Missile in Tavares, I came down with 103/104F flu this week and not going. Was going to tow the boat up and run it, but after great assistance from Lloyd Leadfoot and some others, I missed the chance from my crappy cold I'm trying to shake. Then on top of it- my boat is upside down. :)

Took these pix today, the boat looks great, compression was 135 all 6 and mechanic said he would think the engine only has about 20 hours on it. I'm in Stuart and want to sell it, if anyone is interested- only the motor, not the boat.

Have a great time guys, maybe the next one...
pics of the motor?

[HeavyDuty]

Pix of the 200XP. I can give you the number of my tech if you want to hear anything about it- he was really impressed with it. Lloyd Leadfoot was also there when it ran, he can attest to it as well. Call me on 305.910.7481 if you need anything else. Thx.

http://treasure.craigslist.org/boa/4678367584.html

[PARKER RABE]

Says compression was 135 on all 6 , then the Craig's list add says it was 110 on all 6...?

[HeavyDuty]

Rechecked by a tech that I trust more- Steve Bars, said it was 135 all 6. Can set up to speak to him, motor is amazingly clean, all fresh water, Steve said he doubts it has more than 20 hours on it. Really nice.

[PARKER RABE]

I have a little rabco that has the same year 150 on it , love to put a 200 on it if the price is right, 4000 was a little outta my price range being the motor was 28 years old , but sounds like its in great shape. Do you have any props to go with it???

[HeavyDuty]

I have a little rabco that has the same year 150 on it , love to put a 200 on it if the price is right, 4000 was a little outta my price range being the motor was 28 years old , but sounds like its in great shape. Do you have any props to go with it???

Hi Parker, is it a Missile that your dad was building from the Magnums? Price- OK, I agree- its an older motor, but like brand damn new. I know its up there, but everyone who see's it can't believe what it looks like. Happy to put you in touch with the mechanic who looked it over for me. It looks fresh outta the box, so clean its amazing. I wish I could use it, but going for an original era and proper weight/hp for that hull. My kid will grow up on this one, so I don't want to kill him with a V6.

I haven't run it yet, will try to get it into the water this week and will post what it does- I'm not going to push it- that hull, with that weight, and the HP would be a death trap.

If you're ever over my way and want to see it, happy to show it to you. Will take a special buyer who likes OMC and appreciates the "newness" of it. Phil

[PARKER RABE]

Sounds good , , no not a missle ...the boat I would be putting it on is a 19 center console rabco, I have the same year 150 on it now. , just a thought when I saw the motor, I'll stay in touch, it's a 50 50 shot

[magnum2.5]

I had a MAGNUM MISSLE '76 and a DUO MYSTERY '70 at the same time...both had v/6 mercs on them...big difference in the bottoms, trying to post pic's but not happening, also got pic's of some DUTCHMANS and STARCRAFTS in that era, somebody e-mail me at donmagnum2.5@gmail.com and I'll send you the pic's and you can post them up...ALAN BROWN " BROWNIE" introduced the MAGNUM MISSLEs at the MIAMI boat show 68-69 can't remember which...I still got a T-SHIRT...

[nygiants]

I just picked one up myself, in need of major resto. I picked it up for free, had planned on flipping it for quick cash. I saw it in person and its safe to say im keeping it

[HeavyDuty]

NYGiants do you have any pix? Nice score!

[nygiants]

The title claims this to be a 1976, but who knows who accurate that is. Any information or advice you can provide would be much appreciated. Ive started removing the core in the floor as its mush. The transom is out, and I plan to split the cap at some point.

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http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr359/JasonKiddFan273/IMG_2948_zpsu57zri7n.jpg (http://s499.photobucket.com/user/JasonKiddFan273/media/IMG_2948_zpsu57zri7n.jpg.html)
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[HeavyDuty]

Post it up on our Magnum Marine USA facebook page, you'll get all the answers you need. Brownie is on there, he probably knows this exact boat. He pretty much knows everything. Just ask my wife. :D

[nygiants]

This is actually a Rabco.

[HeavyDuty]

Not worth restoring in the shape its in. Thats why its been stripped.

[nygiants]

Not worth restoring in the shape its in. Thats why its been stripped.
whys that?

[99fxst99]

I would say that it is very much worth restoring to someone capable and appreciative. Looks like the skin is all there, you can build up from there.

[Tom Smyth]

the magnum I had 99 out of 100 people would not have paid a dime for it event to use it as firewood. When my wife and friends first saw it they thought I had gone over th edeep end and that Caddy was a scam artist.

the beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I doubt I will ever get out all the $$ I put in it, but put a price tag on a well restored original set up 1969 Magnum Missile.

[nygiants]

the magnum I had 99 out of 100 people would not have paid a dime for it event to use it as firewood. When my wife and friends first saw it they thought I had gone over th edeep end and that Caddy was a scam artist.

the beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I doubt I will ever get out all the $$ I put in it, but put a price tag on a well restored original set up 1969 Magnum Missile.

My thoughts exactly, I just graduated college and have very little funds. What I do have is some time and the abilities to fix this up. I've never had a tunnel home and its certainly something I want to experience after going in a friends glasstron.

[nygiants]

Anyone have any thoughts on adding a little weight to the front or beefing up the transom while the boat is gutted?

[largecar91]

In my opinion, i would never add weight in a permanent fashion to any boat. You want them as light as possible if you are going for speed. As far as beefing up transom , you should always make it as strong as possible especially if you're redoing it anyway.

[HeavyDuty]

Tom, if its a Rabco, and not a Missile, I think its polishing a turd. You have to really love it to spend what it will cost, and you're an exception to the rule- most folks can't finish these off as nicely as you did.

If it was a Missile, maybe, but Cadillac has better ones to start a project with, and you'll have a Missile, not a Rabco. Big difference in value, although a Rabco was a great boat, its not the original. (No offense to my bud Parker.)

[Mark75H]

If its a Rabco, a tremendous amount of work was put into cutting the front and making a flush lay-in for the foredeck panel.

[PARKER RABE]

Tom, if its a Rabco, and not a Missile, I think its polishing a turd. You have to really love it to spend what it will cost, and you're an exception to the rule- most folks can't finish these off as nicely as you did.

If it was a Missile, maybe, but Cadillac has better ones to start a project with, and you'll have a Missile, not a Rabco. Big difference in value, although a Rabco was a great boat, its not the original. (No offense to my bud Parker.)

why is it not worth it, when i bought arranows original missle molds and put a rabco sticker on it , didnt change 1 thing ? TURD? was the neatest thing u could buy in the 70's

[PARKER RABE]

Not worth restoring in the shape its in. Thats why its been stripped.

i mean what is wrong with you? poor kid..... so excited about having a project and you just kicking him down. give me a grinder some wood and glass and he'll have a neat old piece

[HeavyDuty]

i mean what is wrong with you? poor kid..... so excited about having a project and you just kicking him down. give me a grinder some wood and glass and he'll have a neat old piece

Like I said Parker, no offense, but that model is not going to bring him as much money, just facts. There is one in FLL for sale for a couple years with 2.4 BP on it that is complete and in good shape and the guy has no buyers for it.

I don't think its a Rabco anyway, I think its a Missile- did you have the wood insert in the foredeck at any point? Its got a BS title as well, its says its a Donzi Magnum, and I know its not a Donzi, and who knows what the numbers are, so if he works it all the way through, and he's got it nice and perfect and the marine patrol stops him and takes his boat, what does he have?

I in no way meant that your boats were turds, that one needs so much its going to be a money pit. Like most boats anyway, but Caddy has better ones for a project.

[PARKER RABE]

Yes we had inserts, look at some of the pics in the galleries, not very many tho, We only did three or four like that.

[HeavyDuty]

Hi has the insert in front and none in back, but they could have been filled in. I'd hope he can show us a HIN so we can figure out what it is. You'd surely know the sequences for yours back then, right? And he says its a 1976, so that was when you had the molds working?

[nygiants]

It might be a missile then, for some reason I thought rabcos only had inserts. The title has it as a donzi but the HIN comes up at homemade. It has the last inspection as of 89

[magnum2.5]

either way...put a v/6 merc on it and let her rip....thrill a minute ride for no $$$$$ ..it has a 15" cut down transom so prob ran an old in line L6 in the day....he got it for nothing..." MONEY FOR NOTHING AND THE CHICKS FOR FREE"...GO FOR IT !!!

[PARKER RABE]

We built a bunch in 76

[PARKER RABE]

What is the original gel??? was it metal flake underneath the paint?

[PARKER RABE]

out of the 42 we built 30 of them were metal flake, we put some trick paint jobs on a few of them in 1981 and 82

[magnum2.5]

PARKER.. didn't you make two bottoms for that boat...one was faster than the other???

[nygiants]

Its originally blue i believe. I've got a line on a free yahmaha 85hp 2 stroke, I think I'll run that for this season and then save up some money and buy a 125http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr359/JasonKiddFan273/Donzi%20Magnum%20Tunnel%20Hull/IMG_2932_zpsz9dxyfzx.jpg (http://s499.photobucket.com/user/JasonKiddFan273/media/Donzi%20Magnum%20Tunnel%20Hull/IMG_2932_zpsz9dxyfzx.jpg.html)

[magnum2.5]

MAGNUM never made a blue hull that I remember...

[PARKER RABE]

Yes one bottom had a flatter running surface, had more lift...that's the bottom that would blow over

[Tom Smyth]

MAGNUM never made a blue hull that I remember...
Magnum did not make any BLUE gel coat boats. only had 4 color choices: burgundy, red, white and tangerine I think

[magnum2.5]

the DUO, DUTCHMAN, STARCRAFT hulls had a flatter running surface, different than the sharp edge of the MAGNUM= RABCO as I recall...got some pic's side by side somewhere...

[nygiants]

I have no idea on the original color then. I should have the cap removed from the boat before the weekend.

[PARKER RABE]

cool take some pictures

[nygiants]

Ok im about to have the cap split, how much fiberglass mat and resign should i buy? I need to do the floor and the caps core and transom

[Tom Smyth]

that's like asking how much paint do I need to paint a car. It all depends on how you lay everything back up, laminate the transom or not, how many layer on top of the core, etc etc. Start with a couple of gallons. you have to measure and determine how much and what kind of mat you want to use / need.

Good luck

[2us70]

If you have not done fiberglass work before you need to do some research. Check out the the fiberglass and composites forum on this site. If you are planning to hang an appropriate motor on this thing you need to make sure you do the repairs right.

[moparbarn]

Magnum did not make any BLUE gel coat boats. only had 4 color choices: burgundy, red, white and tangerine I think

Black, also. There was at least one black one, as a girl had one hanging on davits, east side of Biscayne Bay between 125th & 36th st. bridges back in the day.

[25ss]

I have used these products.
I really liked the vinylester resin
Bonds like epoxy ease of use like polyester.
Nice people
Good prices also.
http://www.lbifiberglass.com/

[HeavyDuty]

Brownie was selling these for Aronow at the boat shows when new, I'm going to his place soon and will ask him about colors if they had variations. I would guess that if someone wanted something and Aronow wanted the money, they'd probably build it.

[Vulture27]

I went for a ride in a missile just after the dinner key boat show where they first brought them out. They were giving test rides a Everglades Marine in Lauderdale and my memory wants to say the boat was blue. I could be wrong

[magnum2.5]

they also built the MAGNUM MALTESE a 16' double bubble deck ski boat, v bottom, those are real rare cause they didn't build that many...

[HeavyDuty]

they also built the MAGNUM MALTESE a 16' double bubble deck ski boat, v bottom, those are real rare cause they didn't build that many...

Thats the Marauder, and they built that in black, I've seen one, had gold trim...

Joel had a nice one that needed finishing, I should have bought it. I have 4 Magnums now and looking for a Marauder to add, as well as a 1966-68 35'.

[magnum2.5]

stand corrected...MARAUDER...the MALTESE was bigger...I alway's liked the 28' sedan with the two windows, sleek profile and a big cabin...JOHN CROUSE had one...ECO friendly with twin 165's

[HeavyDuty]

I've got 3 sedans in my yard- just got 225 Yamaha four strokes on the back of one. Hope to have it in the water in a week. Great boats when you deduct the engine box, lots of room.