I got a first time ever

[TEXAS20225]

fresh 225 Pmax every piece is new in the rotating assembly cept crank and rods , started it up on cleaned injectors new switch box's and regs new stator and a nearly new trigger all parts checked good with DVA when first started!!!and it sound really nice great throttle responce. took it to the lake it left fine first time cruised fine for a few minutes at 3000, down off plane idle for a few minute up again or almost it started surging almost went out and then jumped up on plane went a couple miles at 3000 down off plane, idle again for a few minutes (break-in sucks ) tried again to get back up no soap motor is running like its running out of fuel or losing fire for a second or two finally get back up im 3 miles from the ramp 3000 all the way to the ramp, but when trying to load it just dies when in gear ever since then Ive changed everything on the motor twice except the coils and the vst canister same revving up and down ,surging and trying to die but catches itself just before it goes out when i say everything i mean total fuel injection(,No vst change maybe that's next) Ecu's switch box's tpi, air temp sensors both in plenum and head i not only never seen this Ive never heard of it any input

[TEXAS20225]

today i also put a fuel pressure gauge on the vst canister to see if fuel pressure was fluctuating it was not i did put two different rebuilt pulse pumps on it also no change no ecu i put on it (7 different units) it made no difference, no bad bulb or leak fuel line from tank either im getting me sum paddles:nonod:

[wired247]

I'm voting engine wiring harness corroded terminals in the pigtail that plugs into the ECU .

[TEXAS20225]

well there are no corroded terminals i pay close attention to my wiring on these motors and extra grounds are common for me, none the less but im working on a brand new harness now as i wound up with nothing left to change out:rolleyes:, i also have another 225 promax on an engine stand fresh rebuilt also im going to see if the stuff i originally started out with runs on a different motor what its seems like is im losing half the motor as it runs but it does not show up on a DDT or any meter ive hooked to it as it goes on and off or up and down or what ever the right term is

[tlwjkw]

If ya want as soon as we get tha shop (Lance's) cleaned up and him loaded up for Waco I can come by. Just different, not so fresh anymore, eyes might help.........Is it kinda like tha other surge problem ya had before? Did ya try disconnecting tha enrichner circuit comin' outta tha boat harness. Might be something at tha key switch. Just makin' **** up now but at least up front about it!!! :confused:

[capteliminator]

If its surging my money is on fuel supply problem. Can you watch fuel pressure gauge while driving?

[1FASTLASER]

Maybe tank vent ??????

[rock]

Just makin' **** up now but at least up front about it!!! :confused:

Now that's funny......and honest.

Rock

[Dave Strong]

Got a remote fuel tank to try?
And a different line and primer ball. We always run outboard on our own tank now after a similar deal.

Dave

[Go Time]

Is it a 225X or a Promax? Check those bleed lines....those that are hidden from view.

[TEXAS20225]

Promax, i had the remote idea this morning i ran it on my starting stand system not hooked up to boat or fuel supply it made no difference, changed vst pump this morning with a brand spanking new pump in it but it was not fluctuating any way no difference, i checked that a couple days ago i also just changed all coils and coil wire not plug wire but supply wires new harness made no difference what so ever, so now im going to take this motor off the Bullet and put another pmax on it

[wired247]

Are you using your new aluminum flywheel on it?

[Go Time]

Did you put new reeds in?

[TEXAS20225]

yes it has my new flywheel on it and i hand lapped some of Chris carson reeds so i aint sure why:confused: but i cant spend forever on my own motor so ive have another one ill drop on it with nothing but pmax parts no lite wheel i thought maybe the flywheel also but this thing ran great for what time it was on my motor stand and when i put it on the boat it ran fine for how ever much i ran it but when i dropped it in the lake it started all this shortly, another thing when its cold it sounds ok but after a sort while it starts the deal its doing surging may or may not be a correct description its more like part of the motor stops running then kicks back in. Tommy i unhooked the choke circuit right away( i know about that harpoon) when it started . i thought i had incurred every problem that happens to EFI V6 mercs boy was i wrong thats just about all i build anymore

[wired247]

Mine did the same thing with the new aluminum flywheel. slowing down, surging, barely running over 2500 ish and an occasional good run. Took it off and put a stock wheel and it was like flipping a switch. Ran like crap before then ran great after. I think that 40 amp wheel is 40 amp in size only. The magnets dont have the same pull . I was using a CDI stator on mine and attributed it to that but it really was a night and day difference especially on the starboard bank. It would barely power up the high speed coil. I went so far as changing switch boxes, trigger, etc. trying to figure out why it was cutting out over 2500 RPM. I could watch it happening with a timing light hooked up to #1. Once the motor got to full temp the flashes off the timing light would start dropping over 2500. Tach was barely working under 800 RPM as well. Borrowed my neighbors flywheel and the sucker took right off and all the problems went away. I picked up a old cast iron wheel from a forum member here and installed it and it ran good, tach worked etc. I'll bet if you throw a stock wheel on there your problems will go away too.

[racer]

We hook a peak reading meter to each coil and watch voltage change as rpm changes, works good for us to find ignition issues without having to change parts.

[Dave Strong]

I had and Allison with 225 Pro Max last year just about drove me nuts. Run in the tank at work fine on our remote tank. Finally took it to the lake with our remote tank strapped to it and away she went. Put a new line and ball on it ran great, couldn't understand it the ball would pump up hard and seemed to work normal.

Dave

[TEXAS20225]

interesting on the flywheel has any one contacted Jeff Dunn

[TEXAS20225]

you know when i first saw all these small magnets in this flywheel i said to myself how can this work i have plenty of 40 amp flywheel ill try it tomorrow

[racer]

Something that may help with fuel. We have a holly blue with a vacum gauge and change able fitting to control fuel flow. With a fitting to hold the pump at say 30 gallons per hour we measure fuel vacum to flow this amount of fuel. With the pump hooked at the engine you verify the fuel system leading to the engine if we see more than 4 inches of vaccum we start looking at the system.

[TEXAS20225]

24/7 this sounds exactly like what my motor is doing, the magnets are small like the 16 amp stuff they are not big enough to make 40 amps i wonder if any one else is having trouble with these things

[jeff dunn]

Bobby sent you a message about 247 s flywheel, runs fine on the promax I test these on, but we are using a merc stator. He has been told this after he sent it back and we tested it.

[FORBESAUTO]

Make sure trigger wiring isn't rubbing bottom of flywheel when advanced just had this happen to me yesterday

[MTOLLEY]

i have tested 2 of jeffs flywheels, one he built for a motor im building for a friend and the other was returned by someone. i ran both for an entire weekend. my motor( fresh laser motor) has a factory merc stator,trigger,switch boxes, etc. i personally had "0" issues. with my stock flywheel i had a resonance at 3000 rpm. with the aluminum wheel ,i cant find the resonace anywhere in the rpm range. my volt meter reads the same 13.5-14volts it always did. my motor is on my xb2002, and has no issues spinning past 7grand. i did have to adjust my idle speed up when i changed the flywheel. also indexed both, and checked with a timing light and set my wot timing to 24 degrees. i cant understand for the life of me how the same flywheel can act entirely diffrent on two different engines? mike t

[wired247]

i cant understand for the life of me how the same flywheel can act entirely different on two different engines? mike t

They have 2 different stators. I had a straight out of the box CDI stator and you have a Merc stator. If I hadnt witnessed it with my own two eyes I wouldnt have believed it either. Under 800-1000 RPM the tach would just drop to zero and stay there and over 2500 RPM the starboard side developed a serious miss on all three cylinders. Thats with new Mercury switch boxes. I even somehow talked Mercury into taking back one of the switch boxes for an exchange. When the new one did the same thing I changed the trigger. Nothing changed. I tried different regulators , wiring, coils, etc. Then on a whim I changed the flywheel and it started running like it is supposed to . I don't blame Jeffs wheel and with stronger magnets I think would be a great piece. Its a work of art. I blame the CDI stator being not compatible . Bobby is experiencing the exact same symptoms on his pro max though and has changed everything else a couple of times. He really only has one thing left to change and that is back to the old flywheel. We'll see what happens and I dont think its an issue with the 16 amp wheels but with the 40 amp I dont think the magnets are strong enough for ALL of the 40 amp stators you find in these V6 Mercurys.

[6Killer]

I need a gear case put together........You assemble my GC and I will fix your pig!

[pointer]

I need a gear case put together........You assemble my GC and I will fix your pig!

Likely the best reply ever!
pointer

[TEXAS20225]

well i just put a red flex plate wheel on it and everything stopped immediatly

[TEXAS20225]

OUCH Chris you are deadly

[TEXAS20225]

all i know is i spent 4 days of checking, rechecking and replacing parts even though dva said good, ohm meter said good, pressure gauge said good, but motor said nope this was a lot of work for naught. and when the change of a wheel makes the difference what is it then??? i did not make this up, i like the way it sounded:iagree: but the motor wont run with it on there

[tlwjkw]

Lets form a bi-partisan committee ta do an investigation ta report back ta this board for a complete review. After which we can form a committee ta investigate tha first committee's findings. Maybe we can get to tha bottom of this in NOVEMBER!.

Make Chris chairman of both since he has "no feelings" left!!!

Least ya got it goin' Bobby...........

[1FASTLASER]

Lets form a bi-partisan committee ta do an investigation ta report back ta this board for a complete review. After which we can form a committee ta investigate tha first committee's findings. Maybe we can get to tha bottom of this in NOVEMBER!.

Make Chris chairman of both since he has "no feelings" left!!!

Least ya got it goin' Bobby...........




Lmao!!!!!!!

[6Killer]

Had one act up everytime I put a certain LW flywheel on it.......

Turned out to be the center magnet.

[jeff dunn]

Center magnet sure can do that,

[TEXAS20225]

Tommy it still sounds good with the flex plate 40amp wheel on it but not as good as the Dunn wheel :pI wonder can the wheel get out of time with the hub ???

[MTOLLEY]

not that i know of no. can have a bad hub though

[tlwjkw]

not that i know of no. can have a bad hub though

Guess he might be right. Never had a flywheel problem that I can remember other than "man made marks" being totally wrong.



Tommy it still sounds good with the flex plate 40amp wheel on it but not as good as the Dunn

As ya know they sound even better still settin' on a bare assed hollow stump with nothin' plugged inta tha bottom.......:eek:

[Dave Strong]

The old guy that used to own our shop said he saw a few flywheels that had no cracked magnets but would cause issues every so often. He figgured some of the magnets would get weak. Never really cared cuz a new flywheel seemed to fix it.
like to know the answer to the problem as far as what screws up not just put a new flywheel on and go.

Dave

[TEXAS20225]

Me too!!! strange thing is for a few seconds after starting the motor it sounded ok but in just a short period it goes all whacko, i can take the hub out of my 260 flywheel and see if thats it but im thinking its a magnet or magnets ,

[wired247]

The way my tach was weirding out I'm going with weak magnets. The tach function has nothing to do with the center hub.

[Dave Strong]

Me too!!! strange thing is for a few seconds after starting the motor it sounded ok but in just a short period it goes all whacko, i can take the hub out of my 260 flywheel and see if thats it but im thinking its a magnet or magnets ,

If the hub was the problem would think you would see it checking timing.

Dave

[6Killer]

Me too!!! strange thing is for a few seconds after starting the motor it sounded ok but in just a short period it goes all whacko, i can take the hub out of my 260 flywheel and see if thats it but im thinking its a magnet or magnets ,

Had a 90hp merc in the shop the other day that 1/3 of the magnets for the outer ring of the flywheel were attatched to the engine in different places or laying in the bottom of the cowl. Motor ran great, owner brought it in for a WP change out.....

[TEXAS20225]

well moving the hub dont do squat i guess its magnets:nonod: wow 6 this gets more complex wonder how it even started with the magnets all over the place i guess ill return this one too

[Smoking Joe]

Did your fly wheel issue ever get resolved? :confused:

[TEXAS20225]

i sent it back joe!! dunn said the hub was not lined up with the south magnet so much for the hub makes no difference ???jeff said he could fix it it also had a charge issue , i know on a 16 lh flywheel you can get the hub wrong (so i hear) so im not sure what the end results are yet if he can fix it Great i bought it cuz i wanted one for a 40 amp, i have a couple of Merc alum 16amp wheels im just not understanding the small magnets on these wheels because the 40amper have 6 great big ones

[MTOLLEY]

Like I said before, I personally tested 2 of these flywheels with no charging issues whatsoever. The south magnet alignment is something that was just learned. Also learned that with a 16amp the large spline has to align with a north magnet. We all learn something everyday.

[wired247]

I learned I'll never buy untested parts ever again. Every day is a learning experience.

[MTOLLEY]

Sorry you feel that way wired247. 1 of the 2 I tested was the flywheel you returned. The alignment was correct, it charged my batteries just fine, and would spin 7500 as long as felt like running that hard, which was for several miles at time. Just my .02

[wired247]

Sorry you feel that way wired247. 1 of the 2 I tested was the flywheel you returned. The alignment was correct, it charged my batteries just fine, and would spin 7500 as long as felt like running that hard, which was for several miles at time. Just my .02
Wouldn't work on mine with the cdi stator at all. Pulled the aluminum wheel off and bolted a stock wheel on. It was like flipping a switch between don't run and run. Tach and high speed coil worked just fine. Maybe it was just put together Wrong like bobbies supposedly was.

[MTOLLEY]

I ran yours out of the box you shipped it in. Yours was assembled correctly to begin with. I don't have a cdi stator so I can't comment on that.

[wired247]

I really wouldn't have any problem with it except for the new trigger I bought trying to get the thing to work. Jeff was going to replace the magnets until I found out they were just larger and not stock strength. I asked for a refund and they guy charged me $100 restocking for parts that didn't work . That's a guy/company I will never deal with again and I'll do my best to warn others not to either.

[jeff dunn]

Lets tell how you offered to pay a restocking fee. I have the message from you. Was gonna try to fix until I found out there was no problem with it, Tolley has used for three weekends with no problems.
now as far as Bobby's I did make mistake and problems has been taken care of, and that's none of your concern, so wired 247 do what you must.

[wired247]

If you can show me a load test where that 40 amp flywheel put out 40 amps I'll believe. Otherwise it's a 23 amp system that wouldn't even run my tach. Of zi can help one person not buy your parts jeff I'll be content. From the PM s I've received it's far more than that.

[jeff dunn]

i sent it back joe!! dunn said the hub was not lined up with the south magnet so much for the hub makes no difference ???jeff said he could fix it it also had a charge issue , i know on a 16 lh flywheel you can get the hub wrong (so i hear) so im not sure what the end results are yet if he can fix it Great i bought it cuz i wanted one for a 40 amp, i have a couple of Merc alum 16amp wheels im just not understanding the small magnets on these wheels because the 40amper have 6 great big ones

The magnets in a 40 are 2 magnets made in one. One south end , one north end. There is 6 glued in magnets, they are also 3/8 thick, the ones I use 12 that are, 1/2 thick and are in pockets, they have the same strength as the stock ones , just a change in size.
the key on the hub has to be lined up with a south magnet because of firing coils on stator are in the back , where on a 16amp the firing coils are on the starboard side of motor . On the 40 amp if the hub key not installed in the right position, it throws off the dwell time of the magnets going by the coils , and causes a miss or could cause a charging problem.

[TEXAS20225]

Jeff i hope so i like the wheel and i know most of the people who buy light flywheels don't run live wells and power eating graphs and such! and iv owned several motors running 16 amp systems and light wheels but i was cruising is all i was doing not fishing all day most of these guys just spin um up 16 amps is plenty it keeps the battery's charged:iagree: it will be great if it charges 40 amps ill be happy ill drop a inline amp gauge on a low battery and ill know for sure then i hope it does work im going in thinking positive:cheers:

[Smoking Joe]

Jeff i hope so i like the wheel and i know most of the people who buy light flywheels don't run live wells and power eating graphs and such! and iv owned several motors running 16 amp systems and light wheels but i was cruising is all i was doing not fishing all day most of these guys just spin um up 16 amps is plenty it keeps the battery's charged:iagree: it will be great if it charges 40 amps ill be happy ill drop a inline amp gauge on a low battery and ill know for sure then i hope it does work im going in thinking positive:cheers:



Thanks for the information, in my application I will need to know I have a reliable 40 amps charging. Due to my remote location any item I purchase must be as described and reliable, shipping to New Zealand just kills us so having to return for repair.......:nonod:

[RiceKiller]

Mr Bobby did you get your flywheel back how does it work

[TEXAS20225]

Rob i did not i actually got a check today for a full refund plus the shipping with no explanation of any kind Pm me ill tell you why

[wired247]

Not me. I just got robbed for a hundred bucks...Plus $35 worth of shipping charges.

[hydrostream1]

I can tell you that Jeff is a straight up guy ,I have had him build two drag powerheads for me,I won races and the best one ,the championship at jasper in v-6 comp,plus he did gearcase nose cones ,shortened drive shafts and misc other things for me,I am very happy with his work, have spent alot of money with him and no issues.He is a great machinist and knows what he is doing.Sometimes when you develop a new product ,it does take some research and development,look at mercury and omc they have had lots of issues with product .If you work with people they will work with you,especially things that have not been done before or in the development stages,I'm sure Jeff will work with you,I would not be so quick to go on the defensive.

[wired247]

I can tell you that Jeff is a straight up guy ,I have had him build two drag powerheads for me,I won races and the best one ,the championship at jasper in v-6 comp,plus he did gearcase nose cones ,shortened drive shafts and misc other things for me,I am very happy with his work, have spent alot of money with him and no issues.He is a great machinist and knows what he is doing.Sometimes when you develop a new product ,it does take some research and development,look at mercury and omc they have had lots of issues with product .If you work with people they will work with you,especially things that have not been done before or in the development stages,I'm sure Jeff will work with you,I would not be so quick to go on the defensive.

Straight up guys return all your money when you send them back untested junk that doesn't work. Thieves don't.

[bigbluechevy454]

so does a hub have to be alined with mags on 16amp? if so how do u do it?

[hydrostream1]

First of all ,he's not a thief ,and its not junk!! Can you manufacturer anything ???

[hydrostream1]

Some should not own anything high performance,they can't handle it when things don't go right .

[wired247]

First of all ,he's not a thief ,and its not junk!! Can you manufacturer anything ???

He's a thief. Proven fact. He stole $135 from me. I sent him $900 plus shipping . His flywheel would not charge my low or high speed coils. I returned it and he sent me back $800 . Shipping charges both ways and I'm out $135. REFUSED to refund the balance.
Sure, I can manufacture and sell untested stuff that doesnt work all day too and when that non working junk gets returned to me I can rip off people...no problem. I can do that because I expect if I do something like that I will be called out on it. Come to think of it I'm an engineering manager with an ME who's been working in manufacturing for 24 years in various capacities and I know better than to do stupid sh!t like that. Someone else returns their non working flywheel to the guy and he returns ALL their money. Scum bag douche!

[timmc6]

I can tell you that Jeff is a straight up guy ,I have had him build two drag powerheads for me,I won races and the best one ,the championship at jasper in v-6 comp,plus he did gearcase nose cones ,shortened drive shafts and misc other things for me,I am very happy with his work, have spent alot of money with him and no issues.He is a great machinist and knows what he is doing.Sometimes when you develop a new product ,it does take some research and development,look at mercury and omc they have had lots of issues with product .If you work with people they will work with you,especially things that have not been done before or in the development stages,I'm sure Jeff will work with you,I would not be so quick to go on the defensive.
Well said!!!! He will answer his phone all you have to do is call!!! He does my work including FLYWHEELS!!! :cheers:

[wired247]

Some should not own anything high performance,they can't handle it when things don't go right .

Or...Some people who sell junk that doesnt work should adequately test their gear before selling it and if it doesnt work they should make it right. Whole different concept.

[timmc6]

Or...Some people who sell junk that doesnt work should adequately test their gear before selling it and if it doesnt work they should make it right. Whole different concept.
Have you talked to Jeff ,or just pm's and did you not offer a restocking fee!!!!:eek:

[6Killer]

Wired, I think you deserve all your money back...

I also think you should stay away from the performance world, your not suited for it.....

[wired247]

Have you talked to Jeff ,or just pm's and did you not offer a restocking fee!!!!:eek:

Did I say "keep $135 of mine Jeff for the privilege of being the first one to find out that your 40 amp flywheel isnt actually a 40 amp flywheel" ? Nope ? Unanswered emails for weeks, PM's etc. You think if I called him he'd not rip me off for so much? Well I'm calling him a thief. Does that count. Dude doesnt ever have to refund the rest of my money and I dont ever have to stop blathering about him ripping me off. Ive already lost my money buying his defective junk. I'm not even counting the $400 I spent buying triggers, regulators and switch boxes trying to figure out why his crap flywheel wasnt working. When Bobbies flywheel didnt work he got a full refund and got treated like a customer. Not me.

[wired247]

Wired, I think you deserve all your money back...

I also think you should stay away from the performance world, your not suited for it.....

I agree with the first part of your statement. Ive been in manufacturing for too long to know that when you make a mistake you own up to it or your reputation suffers. Dunn made a mistake and compounded it and still won't do the right thing. That is nothing less than a lack of business ethics.

[hydrostream1]

Jeff has business ethics,do you own a business ?? How about call him and talk it out on the phone before you bash someone,perhaps you got smart with him and pissed him off..Learn how to diagnos
instead of throwing parts at it.,that's not his fault.. I agree with 6 killer please stay away from the performance world your not suited for it.

[wired247]

Jeff has business ethics,do you own a business ?? How about call him and talk it out on the phone before you bash someone,perhaps you got smart with him and pissed him off..Learn how to diagnos
instead of throwing parts at it.,that's not his fault.. I agree with 6 killer please stay away from the performance world your not suited for it.


What the hell difference does it make if I own a business ? I am the customer. I bought something that doesnt work and returned it to the manufacturer who refused me a full refund because he was pissed off at ME for his flywheel not doing what he says it would....Seriously. Total lack of business ethics. Run a business like that and you won't be running it for long. I am trusted to multi million dollar sections of someone elses business and I dont remember business ethics like that being in any ethics book I have ever read.

As far as diagnosing the problem Bobby went through the same thing and he does this stuff for a living. His flywheel didnt work either and none of the tests showed crap. Mine had weak magnets that wouldnt charge the stator coils. Bobby never got his back even though he wanted it back but he got all his money back.

[hydrostream1]

Actually it makes a difference ,because business people try to work things out first and be professional.,but some customers can't be satisfied period. DId you try to call him??? He does answer his phone.Did you give him a chance to fix it? Did bobby give him a chance to fix his? Also ,I didn't know that a test shows crap,is that a specification?

[wired247]

Actually it makes a difference ,because business people try to work things out first and be professional.,but some customers can't be satisfied period. DId you try to call him??? He does answer his phone.Did you give him a chance to fix it? Did bobby give him a chance to fix his? Also ,I didn't know that a test shows crap,is that a specification?

Not in this case. Your "Business Person" did not refund the customers money when his defective equipment was returned to him. When I did receive a partial refund I asked about the balance and was refused because the flywheel worked on someone elses stator. It didnt work on my new CDI stator. Once I switched to a factory flywheel it was like flipping a switch. I bought a 40 amp flywheel. Not a 23 amp flywheel. As far as communications he was communicating just fine until he decided to rip me off . The communications suddenly stopped at that point.

I won't get into Bobbies situation as that is between him and Bobby other than to state what Bobby stated here. His flywheel didnt work , he sent it back for repair and got his money back instead. I sent mine in for repair and was told he wouldnt make the magnets any stronger. No sense in sending it back to me. I just wanted them as strong as factory magnets so that damned motor would run.

[hydrostream1]

Like 6 killer and I said ,your not ready for the performance world.,going fast is a trade off and is not a tried and true thing sometimes.If that flywheel worked fine on another motor ,then I would be looking at a factory stator instead of an aftermarket stator,from experience I have had bad triggers and stators from cdi practically out of the box.

[wired247]

Like 6 killer and I said ,your not ready for the performance world.,going fast is a trade off and is not a tried and true thing sometimes.If that flywheel worked fine on another motor ,then I would be looking at a factory stator instead of an aftermarket stator,from experience I have had bad triggers and stators from cdi practically out of the box.


A 40 amp flywheel has magnets sufficient to run a 40 amp stator. His piece was sold as a 40 amp flywheel. It was not. The 40 amp CDI stator still works fine with a factory 40 amp wheel. Throws a strong spark on low and high speed coils and charges from idle up with no problem whatsoever. With his "40 amp" wheel it wouldnt charge worth a damn, the tach wouldnt work at low speed, It missed like crazy over 4000 and it barely idled.
It was insufficient testing at the core of this problem followed by piss poor business ethics. Making a 40 amp flywheel means more than making it the same size as a 40 amp wheel.

[hydrostream1]

Well ,why don't you make your own instead of bashing someone that has the balls to try and engineer something different.If he has bad business ethics ,then how come that he has thousands of satisfied customers?? Try calling him ,instead of typing on the computer.Why should Jeff give you back 135 now that you took it from a private issue to a public forum? If all you lost is a couple of hundred in the high perf world you are doing good.

[wired247]

Well ,why don't you make your own instead of bashing someone that has the balls to try and engineer something different.If he has bad business ethics ,then how come that he has thousands of satisfied customers?? Try calling him ,instead of typing on the computer.

I dont care if he has balls or not. He is a manufacturer of goods. I bought a product from his company that didnt work. I don't know about you but I dont grow my own corn or sheer my own wool or forge my own steel. I work for a living doing other stuff and I buy things I want with the money I make from working. If I buy defective goods I return it for a refund or repair. Lots of people live like that.In 48 years I cant think of another time where this social contract didnt work the way it is supposed to. In this case I bought a poorly engineered item and returned it and was not given a full refund when others who had also bought the same defective item were given a full refund when their defective item did the same thing. I'm sure he makes some items that arent junk. I just wouldnt buy any of them. From some of the PM's Ive received I'm guessing I'm not alone.

Dunns already told me he wouldnt refund the rest of my money months ago. Whats the point in calling him now? He's stuck to his pledge of not refunding my money and I'm sticking to mine of helping his potential customers learn about his business practices. I certainly dont expect him to give me $135 now. Why am I bashing the guy? I'm bashing the guy because he refused to refund my money after he got his defective goods back in his hands. Its not that hard to figure out.

[hydrostream1]

I can see this isn't going anywhere ,stick to your factory parts and the sand bar.Im going to warn others of you not to sell or do machine work for you.,works both ways.The problem with this site is people like you run off the Guys that invent new products and come up with new ideas,won't have anything to do with this site,I see alot of trash talking and its gotten ridiculous over the past few years,this used to be an informative site.Its not your job or anyone else's to police other people on here except the moderator.

Was a warranty implied or expressed that there was a 100 percent money back guarantee? If no
then your are buying at your own risk.Just because people are selling goods and services on a site and do not offer a written warranty then it is a buy at your own risk.

[wired247]

I can see this isn't going anywhere ,stick to your factory parts and the sand bar.Im going to warn others of you not to sell or do machine work for you.,works both ways.The problem with this site is people like you run off the Guys that invent new products and come up with new ideas,won't have anything to do with this site,I see alot of trash talking and its gotten ridiculous over the past few years,this used to be an informative site.Its not your job or anyone else's to police other people on here except the moderator.

Was a warranty implied or expressed that there was a 100 percent money back guarantee? If no
then your are buying at your own risk.Just because people are selling goods and services on a site and do not offer a written warranty then it is a buy at your own risk.

I'll continue to spread the word my friend. You do the same.

[hydrostream1]

In your case ignorant is bliss

[wired247]

In your case ignorant is bliss

"Ignorant is bliss"? Really?

[hydrostream1]

Yea ,short for your ignorant

[wired247]

Yea ,short for your ignorant


"Ignorance is bliss". Say it that way and people won't snicker so much. It's OK. I'm a victim of the South Carolina school system too.

[hydrostream1]

Didnt grow up in South Carolina, smart A$$$!

[thornl01]

I'll continue to spread the word my friend. You do the same.

24/7, or whatever you want to be called, Jeff Dunn is a stand up guy, PERIOD ! With all this untrue bashing of him that you are doing, you should just go back into your world & stay out of the High perf world. Once again, If you stop being such a child & call Jeff, you might just find out that things can work out. Oh by the way, I did witness the flywheel that you returned as "bad" run for 2 weekends on another engine w/ no problems. Yes it did work w/ a mercury stator & you have a non-oem one. We all learn every day so get over it & grow up dude.

[wired247]

24/7, or whatever you want to be called, Jeff Dunn is a stand up guy, PERIOD ! With all this untrue bashing of him that you are doing, you should just go back into your world & stay out of the High perf world. Once again, If you stop being such a child & call Jeff, you might just find out that things can work out. Oh by the way, I did witness the flywheel that you returned as "bad" run for 2 weekends on another engine w/ no problems. Yes it did work w/ a mercury stator & you have a non-oem one. We all learn every day so get over it & grow up dude.


Simple test. Run a load test with that flywheel on ANY stator. If it put out 40 full load amps charging a dead battery then its a 40 amp flywheel. Otherwise its not. I bought a lightweight 40 amp flywheel. What I got was a flywheel with weak magnets that wouldnt charge my field coils or high and low speed coils. Simple as that. Put a factory wheel back on and all of the sudden everything works just the way it was supposed to. Perhaps that flywheel would put up enough of a charge with a factory stator to run the motor but unless its got the same Gauss rating magnets as a factory 40 amp wheel its NOT putting out 40 full load amps. No how , no way.

[6Killer]

So...........who's stator did you have on your engine?

[6Killer]

If it wouldn't charge the igniton windings, how did you load test the stator without the motor running?

[wired247]

So...........who's stator did you have on your engine?

The same stator that it has now. CDI. Works like a champ with the factory flywheel because the factory magnets are strong enough to saturate the coils. The magnets on the lightweight 40 amp flywheel were not of the same strength as the factory flywheel magnets. 40 amps is 40 amps. An inline test or a DC clamp meter would have shown exactly what was going on. I'm sure the 16 amp unit is probably up to snuff. The 40 amp lightweight flywheel with a Merc stator might even be enough to operate the switch boxes but its not enough to run the charging system a full 40 amps even with a Mercury factory stator.

[wired247]

If it wouldn't charge the igniton windings, how did you load test the stator without the motor running?

I didnt load test the stator. I sent it back to Jeff who was going to install larger but not stronger magnets. Once I bolted on the factory wheel and it ran 100% I didnt see the point in putting the weaker magnets on. It was a great idea having a full strength 40 amp wheel . It was just poor execution from the manufacturer and then piss poor customer relations after.

The 40 amp lightweight wheel would idle over 750 RPM but not lower and would operate the tach over 800 but not lower. It would run most of the cylinders up to 6000 but not all of them. #1 wouldnt run over 2500 no matter what switch box or coil I put on it. Read Bobbies description of what he went through trying to figure it out and you'll know what I went through. Changed the flywheel back to a factory wheel and problems gone.

[6Killer]

Your posts have only bits and pieces of acurate info, basically what you want others to see.

I agree if the wheel wouldn't work something should be done.

Its all the "half truths" that make me go Hmmmmmmm.

[powerabout]

Back when the omc v4 loopers came out they had a few flywheels with cracked magnets from new. Engine would miss 2 to 3000rpm, I think many customers never knew.
First one i ever worked on did it, called omc andthey said check for cracked magnets.
Did a few more all under w/tee.

[wired247]

Your posts have only bits and pieces of acurate info, basically what you want others to see.

I agree if the wheel wouldn't work something should be done.

Its all the "half truths" that make me go Hmmmmmmm.

Half truths such as? Only info I've held out is what I know of Bobbies case because thats between him and Bobby and its not my prerogative to disclose.

Go buy one of those 40 amp wheels. Bolt it up and run a simple load test. Tell me if you get 40 amps out of it if you can even get it to run.

[6Killer]

I'm not disputing the 40amp thing, I see something else but cant quite identify it....

[wired247]

I'm not disputing the 40amp thing, its just a reoccuring theme I keep seeing.......

All the accurate info is there. Don't know what to tell you. Trust me ( or not. Don't care ) I spend all day telling people stuff they don't want to hear.

Dont edit your post after you post some BS innuendo there either chief. You got something to say , say it. I'm not afraid to say when I get ripped off from someone selling shoddy crap not because I think I'll get my money back by wining but I want to save someone else from getting shagged.