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jackiewilson

06-30-2020, 12:40 AM

[QUOTE=powerabout;3216993]Hi Jackie
do you have any photos of FONDA in Penang?
do you remember where the circuit actually was say in relation to the E&O hotel?
cheers[/QUO
No, sorry I don’t Pilgrim. Think it was somewhere near the prison. We had lots of help from the inmates. SEEBOLD and I would go for a game of golf there, you had to have a handicap of twelve or less. We lied.

Ronster43

06-30-2020, 09:46 AM

...next to piggly wiggly...:smiletest:

This one was next to the Publix at 5-Points. But there was a Piggly Wiggly just down 26th Street from there! There was also an A&W at that intersection forever. Hot dogs and root beer...days gone by!!

FUJIMO

06-30-2020, 10:08 AM

This one was next to the Publix at 5-Points. But there was a Piggly Wiggly just down 26th Street from there! There was also an A&W at that intersection forever. Hot dogs and root beer...days gone by!!
...lol what year did you leave? last time that stuff was there, was like 1980...maybe...:smiletest:

Vulture27

07-01-2020, 05:03 AM

I'm thinking more like 1970, There was a Tom Thumb raceway there too.

powerabout

07-01-2020, 06:43 AM

jackiewilson

07-01-2020, 03:31 PM

[QUOTE=jackiewilson;3217018]

just make sure David Parkinson doesnt throw any old historical stuff out about FONDA in Asia
Parky never throws anything away. He still has the results and press releases of every race that Fonda put in the ten years. He promoted them.
The guy who has more pictures than anyone else in the world is BRIAN DEWEY (DEWDROP) .
Apparently theyre all stored up in his attic .

FUJIMO

07-01-2020, 05:57 PM

...is brian on s & f?

jackiewilson

07-02-2020, 12:12 AM

...is brian on s & f?

Hes a bit like you Fuji, very little is known about him, except he keeps a low profile . His wife Marge has more friends than “Dewdrop”. Was the official Photographer of Fonda for years, Mercury paid him , via Parkinson of course (JBS ASSCOCIATES).
No, he’s never once been on S and F to my knowledge.

jackiewilson

07-02-2020, 12:30 AM

...have no idea when you were there with brett, but maybe sounds like late 80's? (after aronow gone). last i knew bretsky was still selling hi-perf steering & other complimenting rigging hardware out of his little condo on the water in east ft. lauderdale. brett's a good egg.

Found some old pictures of Pruett, Charlie Sheppard, Don Ross, Brian Hunt and me at Bristol . Year was !990. Was the year Salabert was killed at Bristol. Now realise Pruett and i were friends for over twenty years. Might explain my cock up in the years . Sorry about that folks, Gene is definitely right, i was out by a decade or more.

powerabout

07-02-2020, 04:16 AM

[QUOTE=powerabout;3217269]
Parky never throws anything away. He still has the results and press releases of every race that Fonda put in the ten years. He promoted them.
The guy who has more pictures than anyone else in the world is BRIAN DEWEY (DEWDROP) .
Apparently theyre all stored up in his attic .
please get your photos scanned so we can all view them in the future

jackiewilson

07-02-2020, 05:13 AM

[QUOTE=jackiewilson;3217368]
please get your photos scanned so we can all view them in the future

Been intending to do just that for the last couple of years Pilgrim. But, its like the road to hell.

2us70

07-02-2020, 01:21 PM

Lost my cousin and lifelong best friend this morning. Bad day

jackiewilson

07-02-2020, 03:38 PM

Lost my cousin and lifelong best friend this morning. Bad day

im so sorry. I can sympathise. Seems like it’s happening more frequently the older I get

FUJIMO

07-02-2020, 05:36 PM

I know what this is like. Sad day is right. Very sorry for your loss Jim.

jackiewilson

07-03-2020, 07:53 AM

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GENE LANHAM

07-03-2020, 01:56 PM

468799
im so sorry. I can sympathise. Seems like it’s happening more frequently the older I get

Forty six years ago today----and I am one of the few left---

Doc and Bob are gone---

Most of the other great guys are gone too-

Lynwood--Schwebby--Aronow--GG--

---And next week----I will be older than you---Jackie!!

AGAIN!!

peterse90

07-03-2020, 02:11 PM

468775

Wow! Now the VERY rare 16 foot Molinari has been dethroned by a 15 foot Molinari !!!!!

jackiewilson

07-03-2020, 04:08 PM

468799

Forty six years ago today----and I am one of the few left---

Doc and Bob are gone---

Most of the other great guys are gone too-

Lynwood--Schwebby--Aronow--GG--

---And next week----I will be older than you---Jackie!!

AGAIN!!

You can run but you cant hide Gene . Im right behind you every step of the way . 79 and running, well done old chap !!! You got that bird soaring again yet?

jackiewilson

07-04-2020, 03:17 AM

Hey Gene, did you see Bernie Ecclestone just had another Nipper. He’s 89 too. Better tell Karen to keep her knicker elastic tight ?????

jackiewilson

07-04-2020, 04:22 AM

468813

Life is like a box of Chocolates, you just never know. And then you turn around, you are 89 years old and get the surprise of your life!
Wonder if this qualifies as one of those “Aw Sheeeeeeet” moments ????

FUJIMO

07-04-2020, 05:24 PM

...one of his many daughters...https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/29/21/4BAF3C1800000578-0-image-a-61_1525032337414.jpg

FUJIMO

07-04-2020, 05:27 PM

https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/d933e17f64202ec96f6df92dd65bfb17

FUJIMO

07-04-2020, 05:30 PM

https://www.grandprix247.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/gettyimages-putin-ecclestone.jpg

FUJIMO

07-04-2020, 05:32 PM

...remember when he got mugged & they stole his watch?...https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/27/article-1333608-0C414058000005DC-825_1024x615_large.jpg

FUJIMO

07-04-2020, 05:40 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/08/article-1336679-0C63848C000005DC-353_468x684.jpg...he turned lemons into lemon-aid by doing an ad for the watch company...

jackiewilson

07-05-2020, 07:06 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/08/article-1336679-0C63848C000005DC-353_468x684.jpg...he turned lemons into lemon-aid by doing an ad for the watch company...

Only men like Ecclestone and Pruett could turn a calamity into a profit !

Lake X Kid

07-05-2020, 11:07 AM

American Muscle 440 Chrysler engine and chassis, with Italian style craftsmanship, and 4 wheel disc brakes to stop.

That is why Jay Leno loves his 1970 Monteverdi 375 S.

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jackiewilson

07-06-2020, 11:51 AM

American Muscle 440 Chrysler engine and chassis, with Italian style craftsmanship, and 4 wheel disc brakes to stop.

That is why Jay Leno loves his 1970 Monteverdi 375 S.

468862

Had one of them. Wonder if he’s got a GORDON KEEBLE. I had one for a couple of years , and a Lamborghini Espada. . It was rotten as a pear, body was falling of it.

Lake X Kid

07-06-2020, 12:42 PM

Had one of them. Wonder if he’s got a GORDON KEEBLE. I had one for a couple of years , and a Lamborghini Espada. . It was rotten as a pear, body was falling of it.

Jay Leno has around 100 or more, automobiles and motorcycles in his collection. So you can imagine his vehicles have low time and miles on them. And as a multi-millionaire, he has his own personal garage staff to maintain his fleet.

"Body was falling off it," I would venture to surmise, does not happen with a collector of Jay's financial support and his dedication to the art of preservation.

FUJIMO

07-06-2020, 01:05 PM

...gordon keeble...https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZVesBfHayUo/V34T_uVM9KI/AAAAAAABOEA/zrh3wVbBhlEMK7r6_HCz8wYki3G-QHVuACLcB/s1600/0706.jpg

jackiewilson

07-06-2020, 01:07 PM

Jay Leno has around 100 or more, automobiles and motorcycles in his collection. So you can imagine his vehicles have low time and miles on them. And as a multi-millionaire, he has his own personal garage staff to maintain his fleet.

"Body was falling off it," I would venture to surmise, does not happen with a collector of Jay's financial support and his dedication to the art of preservation.

Ah well, then he won’t have any Lancia, Fiats,or even post war Mercedes, as they were all “Rust Buckets” !

jackiewilson

07-06-2020, 01:11 PM

468917

ok , here we go, time for some fun! Just where did the magnum missile originate?
Time for brownie to put in his fourpennorth !

FUJIMO

07-06-2020, 01:31 PM

...i think we've been through this a few times already jack, but anyways here's a pic of the brown man's magnum...https://boats-from-usa.com/sites/default/files/boats/magnum-marine/29449/magnum-marine-missile-306730.jpg

FUJIMO

07-06-2020, 01:33 PM

http://yachtsboatslist.com/ybphotos/big/1966-1969-magnum-missle-donzi-don-arronow-cigarette-7.jpg

FUJIMO

07-06-2020, 01:34 PM

http://yachtsboatslist.com/ybphotos/big/1966-1969-magnum-missle-donzi-don-arronow-cigarette-5.jpg

FUJIMO

07-06-2020, 01:35 PM

http://magnummarine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/3Magnum162.jpg

jackiewilson

07-06-2020, 02:12 PM

I have to tell you, i was in at the birth with Schultze, Molinari and Torrigia, and I never saw a Schultze that looked anything like the Magnum.
only the molinari looked anything like it. Torriggia was far superior to the magnum in every respect.

peterse90

07-06-2020, 02:33 PM

http://magnummarine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/3Magnum162.jpg

In the colour pic with Don driving the throttle/shift is outside, I believe these were the very early Magnums.
The black & white pic above the throttle/shifter is inside the cockpit.
Looks like the Magnum has a 1968 Merc 1250, the Marauder has a 1969 Merc 1250.

jackiewilson

07-06-2020, 04:39 PM

468936Is there anyone out out there who can clean the print up for me.. makes for some fascinating reading. I have about ten pages !

FUJIMO

07-06-2020, 05:26 PM

..."the kid"...as bobby saccenti used to call him...https://dondivamag.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/espn-30-for-30-shorts-collision.jpg

FUJIMO

07-06-2020, 05:35 PM

...hollywood beach bandshell where he started his "career" selling...age 16...https://www.marenasresortmiami.com/i/SITE_150805_10352285_OPSR1/content/CMS_08052015_111335683_W6S4C/67ADB911-B411-00EC-F010005A930EDA85.JPG

FUJIMO

07-06-2020, 05:39 PM

...its been spiffed up a bit over the decades...is still there...and used much more often these days...than it was back in the 70's...https://soundforums.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Margaritaville_Lo.jpg

GENE LANHAM

07-06-2020, 05:45 PM

..."the kid"...as bobby saccenti used to call him...https://dondivamag.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/espn-30-for-30-shorts-collision.jpg

Could be seen hanging around CRT in the early 70’s

GENE LANHAM

07-06-2020, 06:10 PM

Could be seen hanging around CRT in the early 70’s

Too bad his parents didn’t spend some money fixing his teeth—

He told me his Dad was a Sunday School Teacher——

FUJIMO

07-06-2020, 06:43 PM

...the mode of transportation in south florida for "all" kids, was the bicycle. things were different back then. a lot less people. a lot less traffic. a lot more empty space and undeveloped. very safe, for the most part. jeff soffer used to "hang" around the shops there too, on his bike, riding all over the place, from his home in turnberry isles. he talked like a snob from the get-go. tres martin was a kid that hung around too, as soon as he got his learners permit. lots of kids would wander by, not to steal or anything, just to learn what they could.

FUJIMO

07-06-2020, 06:53 PM

...this is billionaire jeffy nowadays with supermodel wife elle macpherson...https://static1.purepeople.com/articles/6/23/93/86/@/3342124-elle-macpherson-et-jeffrey-soffer-lors-d-637x0-3.jpg

FUJIMO

07-06-2020, 06:55 PM

...jeffies pad & fishboats...north miami... his megayacht is elsewhere...http://superbhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Jeffreys-house-min-600x400.jpg

GENE LANHAM

07-06-2020, 08:14 PM

...jeffies pad & fishboats...north miami... his megayacht is elsewhere...http://superbhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Jeffreys-house-min-600x400.jpg
But not a very good helicopter pilot—-

FUJIMO

07-06-2020, 08:51 PM

But not a very good helicopter pilot—-
...if memory serves, i don't believe he was on the stick that day gene...

Lake X Kid

07-06-2020, 10:34 PM

ok , here we go, time for some fun! Just where did the magnum missile originate?
Time for brownie to put in his fourpennorth !

This is the about the best, I can do with the limited tools I have, to make your copies readable.

468962

Lake X Kid

07-06-2020, 10:40 PM

Three or four years ago, I was on vacation in South Florida. And a lady friend and I enjoyed a sunset concert at the bandshell. It was relaxing on the sand beach, safe and good music, we enjoyed the friendly atmosphere.

...hollywood beach bandshell where he started his "career" selling...age 16...https://www.marenasresortmiami.com/i/SITE_150805_10352285_OPSR1/content/CMS_08052015_111335683_W6S4C/67ADB911-B411-00EC-F010005A930EDA85.JPG

GENE LANHAM

07-06-2020, 11:58 PM

...if memory serves, i don't believe he was on the stick that day gene...
Luckily—-there was ONLY One fatality —-

how did the court rule?

or was it settled ‘out of court’. $$$$$$$$$?

GENE LANHAM

07-07-2020, 12:22 AM

...jeffies pad & fishboats...north miami... his megayacht is elsewhere...http://superbhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Jeffreys-house-min-600x400.jpg

I met Jeff on the ramp at ASE a few years ago—he was negotiating a deal with PRINCE BANDAR on a little piece of property in STARWOOD———

jackiewilson

07-07-2020, 01:04 AM

GrewuponLakeX

07-07-2020, 10:07 AM

...jeffies pad & fishboats...north miami... his megayacht is elsewhere...http://superbhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Jeffreys-house-min-600x400.jpg

Is that a "sunken" boat at the end of the neighbor's dock?

FUJIMO

07-07-2020, 02:42 PM

Is that a "sunken" boat at the end of the neighbor's dock?
...no, not sunk. many photos of wealther, private, personal items & places get blurred these days, before being made public. google earth, as an example, does this with faces & other things. your local county property appraisers website & real estate offices house-by-house videos do this & you yourself can request this option. and so on.

GrewuponLakeX

07-07-2020, 04:00 PM

...no, not sunk. many photos of wealther, private, personal items & places get blurred these days, before being made public. google earth, as an example, does this with faces & other things. your local county property appraisers website & real estate offices house-by-house videos do this & you yourself can request this option. and so on.

Thanks FUJIMO. I did not know that..... Things that make you say, "HHHHuuuummmmmm".

I guess that proves, I am not smarter than the average bear.

FUJIMO

07-07-2020, 04:55 PM

...bad ass mother scratch'n race team though...money was no object...https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/12/f6/a312f6f819041e8c5828e75b678467c5.jpg

FUJIMO

07-07-2020, 05:00 PM

GENE LANHAM

07-08-2020, 01:20 PM

469066
Ah well, then he won’t have any Lancia, Fiats,or even post war Mercedes, as they were all “Rust Buckets” !

Carbon Fibre has cured that——

469067

FUJIMO

07-08-2020, 03:49 PM

...the k man...https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469066&d=1594232429

FUJIMO

07-08-2020, 03:49 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469067&d=1594232716

GENE LANHAM

07-08-2020, 04:21 PM

http://yachtsboatslist.com/ybphotos/big/1966-1969-magnum-missle-donzi-don-arronow-cigarette-5.jpg
See the white sticker on the cowling??

Says----BOB HEWES BOAT AND SKI SHOP--

Hull #1--Knocky and I rigged it at Bob's shop--Late 1967?--with a brand new 1250 short w/power trim

Kinda looks like Patty waving????

Bob V

07-10-2020, 06:02 AM

July 10th, 2020

469139

Gene Lanham

To A Great Friend
Whom I Have Never Met

Hope You Have A
Wonderful Birthday

Best Regards,
Bob V

2us70

07-10-2020, 10:17 AM

Keep on stacking up those retirement years. Happy Birthday!!
Jim

FUJIMO

07-10-2020, 12:55 PM

...Happy Birthday Gene!...https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82631233_3414448625293560_5642686982187384832_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=oKfIht-CyYwAX_Ses1j&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=9d6b54963306d21a2ced0cfbb2d397ea&oe=5F2F37C6

jackiewilson

07-10-2020, 04:33 PM

Not quite sure whether or not it’s your 89th birthday today or not Gene. Best if I say “HAPPY BIRTHDAY” right now and apologise later if I got it wrong AGAIN !
Do you suffer this damn forgetfulness business Gene ?

Lake X Kid

07-10-2020, 04:39 PM

Thanks to everyone for all the input, amazing just what there is out there if you do a little digging.
So who still thinks the magnums based on a Schultze?
Plus, do i put the pages on here re Ben Kramer, i still have great difficulty in reading all the stuff my son Mark sent me about the Kramers468963

The documents's resolution is low, only 24 KB, therefore hard to read.

Suggest Mark double the font size, and then send the pages to you.
or ...
You a take photos of the pages Mark sent you, with a high resolution camera (cell phone camera), and then post the photos on your site here.

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Lake X Kid

07-10-2020, 05:18 PM

The Magnum Missile with both Don and (look alike brother) Burt Reynolds.
together would have been a eye-catching publicity photo.

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Lake X Kid

07-10-2020, 06:58 PM

Race on Sunday, and then sell on Monday.
The origin of some pleasure boats.

469203

http://yachtsboatslist.com/ybphotos/big/1966-1969-magnum-missle-donzi-don-arronow-cigarette-5.jpg

See the white sticker on the cowling??

Says----BOB HEWES BOAT AND SKI SHOP--

Hull #1--Knocky and I rigged it at Bob's shop--Late 1967?--with a brand new 1250 short w/power trim on MM.

Kinda looks like Patty waving????

Lake X Kid

07-10-2020, 07:06 PM

Imitation a form of flattery.
And arguably the Magnum Missile was inspired by a race boat. Built by ...?

Magnum Missile probably gave birth to some of these subsequent designs.

469204

jackiewilson

07-11-2020, 03:13 AM

Race on Sunday, and then sell on Monday.
The origin of some pleasure boats.

If Roy was using an 1100, chances are it was either an early factory run in 1965. or a production run in 1966. There is no doubt that this was an early Molinari. but not the 63/64 version as shown in previous pictures outside the Como factory.
Gene just confirmed he rigged the MagMiss in 1967 with a 1250. Not too long after the first appearance at lake x of the first molinari. ARONOW was known to be a frequent visitor to the lake around that time.
Hope you all remembered

Gene’s birthday, 89 and even older than me.469234Had a nice quiet family afternoon with my daughter Sam and my two sisters Angela and Janet.

469203

http://yachtsboatslist.com/ybphotos/big/1966-1969-magnum-missle-donzi-don-arronow-cigarette-5.jpg history in the making.

WaterZebra

07-11-2020, 03:50 AM

Imitation a form of flattery.
And arguably the Magnum Missile was inspired by a race boat. Built by ...?

Magnum Missile probably gave birth to some of these subsequent designs.

469204
As far as I know the Glastron Molinari 2+2 never went into production. It was a one-off prototype that was included in Glastron's 1970 brochure and never seen again. I remember actually seeing the Starcraft and Mystrys but never the GM 2+2. I don't know where / when the Starcraft photo was taken but the V6 Merc is way too much motor for this tunnel. All of these tunnels including the Magnum were designed with the inline 6s and V4s in mind for power. I doubt that WOT with a V6 is a good idea.
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GENE LANHAM

07-11-2020, 03:21 PM

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 05:52 PM

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll213/1moomba/66258ge_20.jpg

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 05:53 PM

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll213/1moomba/douint.jpg

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 05:53 PM

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll213/1moomba/Duo%20Mystry/Duob71008.jpg

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 05:54 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=264396&d=1346357867

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 05:55 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=264431&d=1348514196

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 05:56 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=264435&d=1348513348

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 05:58 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=264436&d=1348513294

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 05:58 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=264434&d=1348514527

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 06:05 PM

...Magnum Missile was a completely different hull than the StarCraft T-170 Eliminator & the Duo Mystry. Magnum was different & a shorter boat altogether.

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 06:09 PM

...The Starcraft & the Duo tunnels were a hull copy of Jan Schoonover's Dutchman 16' tunnel, that Jan produced from about 1966 to about 1970...

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 06:18 PM

...In the winter of 1970, Vic Porter, and Mel Smith, both with Duo at the time, visited Dutchman in Lima Ohio & a tunnel boat was purchased. They took it back to the plant & tooled the Duo Mystry 17 with their design deck. The boat weighed approximately 650 pounds. Duo was known in the 70's for copying many other boat company's designs. Tri-hulls, V's, all types...

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 06:25 PM

...Very few Mystry's were produced as it didn't sell well & dealers knew it, so very few dealers ordered one. The Duo dealers were too busy selling & making money with the other, better family oriented Duo boat line of boats...

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 06:31 PM

...So the Duo Mystry tunnel molds were bought by StarCraft, which they called the T-170 Eliminator, and only a few were made in an attempt to promote the product. The T-170 was built heavier than the Duo at closer to 1000 pounds. Coincidentally, Duo and StarCraft at the time, were both owned by Bangor Punta Corporation...

GENE LANHAM

07-11-2020, 07:01 PM

Race on Sunday, and then sell on Monday.
The origin of some pleasure boats.

469203

http://yachtsboatslist.com/ybphotos/big/1966-1969-magnum-missle-donzi-don-arronow-cigarette-5.jpg

The Molinari raced by Roy was the Gold Coast--July--1966

The Missile was first run in late 67

Brownie was close by during this time---

Jackie--I still sticking with SCHULTZ

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FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 07:16 PM

...me too gene. but everyone needs to compare the hulls...not the decks. having been in the plastic boat business, everyone also needs to understand that when a new boat mold is tooled from a wood plug that was a boat, they are not tooled just like the wood boat(plug) identically. design changes have to be made that allows parts to be pulled from the finished mold. no reverse angles, a minimal amount of hull side draft angle(s), sharp corners & edges need to be eliminated, transom angles need to work, and so on. so the finished product counter-part is never going to be just like the wood plug it was pulled from... and then of course, the deck designs are almost always changed radically, to reflect the new owners taste...and to minimalize the recognition of the boat it was copied from...https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469257&d=1594511781

FUJIMO

07-11-2020, 07:17 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469258&d=1322446746

jackiewilson

07-12-2020, 01:33 AM

Look fellas, its good to discuss, rightly or wrongly, i always ASSUMED the Maggmiss was a Molinari take off. No, I don’t have a shred of evidence. I knew both Dieter Schultze and Angelo Molinari as far back as 1963. Visited both factories many times. Dieters operation was nothing like Angelo’s. It was more like a large converted chicken shed with just one lady helping him part time. Both were highly competitive hydroplane racers, designers and builders. Angelo had a much more professional set up. A purpose built factory and skilled workers, with a number of boats being built at any one time.
Dieter built one at a time and only to order.
I was surprised to hear he had sent both a dual engine and a single engine boat to the USA at one time. He was not a wealthy man and each boat paid for the next.
I don’t remember him ever supplying “The Factories” . I do know he raced in Havasu on a tight budget. He also supplied quite a few private individuals in both the USA and England with raceboats.
On the other hand , its my understanding that Aronow visited Como and knew Angelo. Which lead me to believe that the MagMiss was based on a Molinari.
Then Theres the fact that my own observations are, i have never seen a Schultze race boat that looked anything like the MagMiss. I have seen Molinari’s that did look similar to it.
I do not disbelieve Rich when he tells me two boats by Schulze were imported and Aronow bought one to copy.
Then Suddenly Gene tells me it was a Schultze???
Mark is looking into the test/spread sheets from lake X , he thinks he had the results from the Magmiss and ROY Ridgell’s first Molinari. All the measurements will be there. I know this doesn’t prove a thing, but it may be a step closer to solving the mystery.
Why was it not stated where the design came from? Austria or Italy ?

FUJIMO

07-12-2020, 10:40 AM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469262&d=1594512858...allan brown ( aka brownie) was head of magnum on n.e. 188th street north miami beach when the missile & the marauder were tooled...

Lake X Kid

07-12-2020, 02:32 PM

Don Aronow, Dieter Schulze, where are you guys when we need clarification.

And we could use the likes of many others like ... (some I knew) Sirois, Bakos, Pruett, Gary G, and Roy R, to help keep the pot stirred.

Thank goodness the dialogue continues today with the likes of ... Jackie, Gene, Fujimo, Willabee, Brownie, Lars, Rich, and others in the know. Hopefully their memories serves them, and us, down the correct wake zone.

GENE LANHAM

07-12-2020, 03:44 PM

jackiewilson

07-12-2020, 04:15 PM

And Steve Sirois---

I'm sure there is mention of the MISSILE in his writings----

Gene, i have no reason to disbelieve you when you say it was a Schultze. But you can’t just leave it at that! HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE.?
Or is it just a gut feeling?
Same thing with you Brownie, I’ll listen to any explanation you care to give me! Or is it again, just a gut feeling.
Reason I question this is the fact that I never ever saw a Schultze that looked even remotely like the MagMiss!
What year did Dieter Schulze first race in Havasu? I was there in 1969 and saw him. I think he told me he raced there in ‘68, but my memory’s shot!
Maybe RON Hill still has the 60’s race programme!

GENE LANHAM

07-12-2020, 07:05 PM

Gene, i have no reason to disbelieve you when you say it was a Schultze. But you can’t just leave it at that! HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE.?
Or is it just a gut feeling?
!

For sure? over 50 years ago??

For sure--it was not from Don Aronow's drawing board--like most successul people he got ALL the credit--very little left over for others-

Some lf the others--I knew nearly 60 years ago-

Nicky Chapman---never got the credit---could he have built the plug? but his wood working definitely was a huge part of DA's success

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FUJIMO

07-12-2020, 08:53 PM

...a rare 1970 Duo Mystry 17 advertisement. they had a 90'' beam & were $1450.00 F.O.B. Decatur, Indiana...https://www.gjenvick.com/DigitalAssets/BangorPunta/DuoMarine/BPDUO-002-1970-C-AD/AnotherCrowdPleaserByDuo-500.jpg

jackiewilson

07-13-2020, 01:00 AM

jackiewilson

07-13-2020, 01:34 AM

469311OK Fuji, now you have your work cut out. Unfortunately i dont have any phoggies of the little Torriggia apart from this. Was taken the morning after i arrived back from Italy . It snowed every bit of the way back and all the Italian rads were closed so i came back via Ventamigglia and Monte Carlo. Took me 28 Hours.
Transport was interesting. A morris J2 van with an MGB 1800 motor and overdrive on every gear including reverse. Could pull a trailer at around 85 mph but swallowed gas like a drunken Gippetto downing Buds.

FUJIMO

07-13-2020, 10:04 AM

...those were some beautiful hull designs for there time...https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469311&d=1594621599

robert j garner

07-13-2020, 01:50 PM

Hi Jackie

Were the two torriggia cats in the photo above classed as pure race boats or pleasure craft also used for the occasional race just noticed
the cleats on the foredeck.

jackiewilson

07-13-2020, 03:48 PM

Hi Jackie

Were the two torriggia cats in the photo above classed as pure race boats or pleasure craft also used for the occasional race just noticed
the cleats on the foredeck.

Only the big one was a pure bred race boat. The little 15footer was a four seater ski boat.

FUJIMO

07-13-2020, 04:22 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469304&d=1594601590

jackiewilson

07-14-2020, 01:04 AM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469304&d=1594601590
Amazing how much those boats look like RON Walbold’s Blue Fins !
Rule in England was you had to carry a passenger, wasn't until years later that single seater racing came along.

FUJIMO

07-14-2020, 09:43 AM

Amazing how much those boats look like RON Walbold’s Blue Fins !
Rule in England was you had to carry a passenger, wasn't until years later that single seater racing came along....well, we've been ahead of you on quite a few things, lol ;)

jackiewilson

07-14-2020, 10:51 AM

...well, we've been ahead of you on quite a few things, lol ;)

Never mock the teacher Fuji . Go back even further and you will find that it was the English boatbuilders. That were teaching you colonials how to do it in the late 1600’s, long before we gave you independence. Whoops !!!!

jackiewilson

07-14-2020, 11:24 AM

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Yesterday, for the very first time i began to feel my age. Above is one half of a pair of gates im constructing for an old friend. Only twelve foot wide and five feet high, but you would not believe how heavy the damn things are.
Fashioned out of inch and a quarter Burma Teak , eight inches wide and nine foot long. My friend Eddie Jehgla , bought 25 of them out of Brighton Marina for Twenty five quid the lot. But that was forty years ago.
I set to and planed and thicknessed the planks Cut tham to size , then finally teak polished the planks ready for construction .
Yesterday a finished one of the pair of gates . Realised just how heavy the damn thing was and how i can no longer chuck large items about .
Will be another week or so before i tackle the other half.

GENE LANHAM

07-14-2020, 12:22 PM

Amazing how much those boats look like RON Walbold’s Blue Fins !
Rule in England was you had to carry a passenger, wasn't until years later that single seater racing came along.

Rule in America was---

There were no rules469405

jackiewilson

07-14-2020, 12:59 PM

Rule in America was---

There were no rules469405Ive always loved the run what you brung races .

GENE LANHAM

07-14-2020, 01:27 PM

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Ive always loved the run what you brung races .

Outboards--Inboards-Diesel--Gas--Airboats?

Bob V

07-14-2020, 02:37 PM

Outboards--Inboards-Diesel--Gas--Airboats?

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FUJIMO

07-14-2020, 02:51 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469405&d=1594747230

jackiewilson

07-15-2020, 11:36 AM

Today i ached , but i know exactly what the cause is. This is positively the very last heavyweight project i will ever try to undertake. I did realise before the start i was biting off more than i could chew, but i always had a big ego and a mouth to match. Arms, wrists, elbows, neck And the arse muscles i never knew i had before. Should be simples to do the other half and stitch them together ready for hanging. I will not be doing any more lifting. Only the final finish, which ive decided will be Matt.

John Schubert

07-15-2020, 02:25 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469304&d=1594601590
Photo from my scrapbook with the labels that I placed on the photo. 68-J Ron Zuback won this race the national Championships held in Oakland, CA 1952

GENE LANHAM

07-17-2020, 02:21 PM

Photo from my scrapbook with the labels that I placed on the photo. 68-J Ron Zuback won this race the national Championships held in Oakland, CA 1952

Sorry I stole your picture John!!

IS JOHN SCHUBERT IN THIS PICTURE??

A lot of us knew the history of Nicky Chapman--

Most of us knew the history of Jerry Waldman--

Jerry was our AC guy---left us way too soon---

FUJIMO

07-17-2020, 08:37 PM

...Jackie Wilson mention...http://i0.wp.com/svera.se/blogg/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Havasu-1970.jpg

FUJIMO

07-17-2020, 08:43 PM

http://i0.wp.com/svera.se/blogg/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Havasu4.jpg

jackiewilson

07-18-2020, 01:55 AM

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Lady who used to do a weekly column for this publication was a certain MONA LAKE. official timekeeper at all the California drags. believe this was in the sixties.

jackiewilson

07-18-2020, 02:00 AM

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Dont you just love this. Mona did this herself, and is the way i remember her . Not a hair out of place and lips you could stick her onto any window with without smudging her lipstick.
Anyone else out there remember her, or am i still the last one left?
Molly Ballou used to race at these California drag races.!

John Schubert

07-18-2020, 09:45 AM

Sorry I stole your picture John!!

IS JOHN SCHUBERT IN THIS PICTURE??

A lot of us knew the history of Nicky Chapman--

Most of us knew the history of Jerry Waldman--

Jerry was our AC guy---left us way too soon---
Gene,

No problem, I believe that I had posted the picture when conversation was going around about Nick Chapman.Another in the picture was Dean Chenoweth 2-S on the outside. He won ASH, BSH, AU at this championship & was a podium finisher in BU. Everyone should know of him from driving the Miss Budweiser. Ron Zubach, a friend from NJ was driving a Sid Craft also from NJ. I didn't start racing until the next year & in hydros. Set a competion record in BSH in 1954.

Lake X Kid

07-18-2020, 10:54 AM

Jackie are you surprised that ...?

Tony Williams, Bob Spalding and Rick Frost did over 135 mph in the early 1960's.
Print accuracy is a profession, but not always implemented.

What I find of interest is the 20% increase in boat speed (83 to 100 mph) from 1953 to 1954.

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jackiewilson

07-18-2020, 12:13 PM

Neither Tony Williams nor Bob Spalding had even started racing in 1961! Somethings way off by the odd decade here and there.
There were no tunnel boats until 1964.
Vee bottoms were doing 55/ 55 mph.

Bob V

07-18-2020, 01:32 PM

Neither Tony Williams nor Bob Spalding had even started racing in 1961! Somethings way off by the odd decade here and there.
There were no tunnel boats until 1964.
Vee bottoms were doing 55/ 55 mph.

It is a misprint. The first three dates enclosed in the blue box are all from the 1980's, not the 1960's. V-8 outboards running 137 mph were not even a dream in the 60's. Someone did not proof read that before publishing it or Lake X Kid is testing us to see if we have any brain cells left...

2us70

07-18-2020, 01:48 PM

I recall Waldman running an F hydro at Tavares one year. Had CDI ignition from a later model inline 6 on the motor. The thing would actually idle! Won the race easily.
Sorry I stole your picture John!!

IS JOHN SCHUBERT IN THIS PICTURE??

A lot of us knew the history of Nicky Chapman--

Most of us knew the history of Jerry Waldman--

Jerry was our AC guy---left us way too soon---

GrewuponLakeX

07-18-2020, 04:31 PM

It is a misprint. The first three dates enclosed in the blue box are all from the 1980's, not the 1960's. V-8 outboards running 137 mph were not even a dream in the 60's. Someone did not proof read that before publishing it or Lake X Kid is testing us to see if we have any brain cells left...

If you youngins can't see that those are "8"s not "6" - you might want to go get your eyes checked....
Glad to see that Mr. Spalding was on the list.

FUJIMO

07-18-2020, 04:52 PM

If you youngins can't see that those are "8"s not "6" - you might want to go get your eyes checked....
...Dang Gummit! I Think He's On Ta Somethin'!...https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wNZlJ4HJS3c/W08AIFsu-oI/AAAAAAAALwk/Zgbz6h3zNyYrYWm6u-mArB2XSknNtJTVACLcBGAs/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/Walter%2BBrennan%2BStumpy%2BRio%2BBravo%2B1959.jpg

Bob V

07-18-2020, 08:34 PM

As mentioned, the first three dates enclosed in the blue box are shown as 1961, 1962 and 1963 should have been 1981, 1982 and 1983. The three dates below those are correct. Someone needs to have their eyes checked, but I am not mentioning any names...Amos McCoy
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jackiewilson

07-19-2020, 02:25 AM

Suddenly i dont feel quite so old and stupid !
Always said there are those amongst us???

jackiewilson

07-19-2020, 02:29 AM

If you youngins can't see that those are "8"s not "6" - you might want to go get your eyes checked....
Glad to see that Mr. Spalding was on the list.

Did you not read what the Lake X kid wrote???
WAS I NOT SURPRISED BY THE SPEEDS IN THE 1960’s????

GENE LANHAM

07-19-2020, 02:08 PM

gene,

no problem, i believe that i had posted the picture when conversation was going around about nick chapman.another in the picture was dean chenoweth 2-s on the outside. He won ash, bsh, au at this championship & was a podium finisher in bu. Everyone should know of him from driving the miss budweiser. Ron zubach, a friend from nj was driving a sid craft also from nj. I didn't start racing until the next year & in hydros. Set a competion record in bsh in 1954.

469765

Almost 50 years ago!!!!

Does this mean we are getting OLD Johnny??????

Bob V

07-19-2020, 02:36 PM

Almost 50 years ago!!!!

Does this mean we are getting OLD Johnny??????

No, just the opposite...Forever Young...:thumbsup:

469770

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469772

FUJIMO

07-20-2020, 11:14 AM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469652&d=1595055121

2us70

07-20-2020, 11:23 AM

I had to sit that one out. I was in my probationary period with Dade County Fire and could not afford to get hurt off the job. It was frustrating to have a competitive boat for the race and not run it. Another rookie at my station had recently been injured in a motocross accident and quickly terminated so I just had to stand down till March of 1972.

FUJIMO

07-20-2020, 11:49 AM

...Another rookie at my station had recently been injured in a motocross accident and quickly terminated so......my, how things have changed...:smiletest:...if that would have happened in "today's day & age"...:rolleyes:

FUJIMO

07-20-2020, 01:07 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469653&d=1595055343

John Schubert

07-20-2020, 04:16 PM

469765

almost 50 years ago!!!!

Does this mean we are getting old johnny??????
do you think?

Lake X Kid

07-20-2020, 08:52 PM

The greatest speed increase happen from 1953 to 1954.
What do you think made this 20% speed increase?

I will suggest two probabilities.
a) In 1954 Massino used a different fuel source/additive.
b) Massino switch from a flat bottom to a hydro hull.

I do not mention a greater horsepower engine, because outboard evolution seems to me to be incremental. And you can see that, with the outboard results during the other subsequent records.

What I find of interest is the 20% increase in boat speed (83 to 100 mph) from 1953 to 1954.

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Lake X Kid

07-20-2020, 08:54 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469662&d=1595087609

jackiewilson

07-22-2020, 11:13 AM

How many of you out there knew that Tony Williams was using a T5 ??????
WELL, THATS WHAT IT SAID IN THE WRITE UP.
Fred Hauenstien so famously said “ I WONDER WHERE THE HELL HE GOT THAT FROM” ????
?

GrewuponLakeX

07-23-2020, 04:19 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=469662&d=1595087609
I just want to say that since the 1980s, 3 Bobs out of 5 know Speed................

jackiewilson

07-25-2020, 02:44 AM

I just want to say that since the 1980s, 3 Bobs out of 5 know Speed................

Bedford Davie Was running pretty good in 1937. Yes, he was a very good friend of mine, had a love of fast boats all his life!

peterse90

07-25-2020, 11:03 AM

...think ben was obsessed with taking away what don had? see the race numbers on both of these boats?...https://static1.squarespace.com/static/596d2c30d7bdce7d9e727a92/t/5984d436579fb36672a1d813/1501877333054/Don+Aronow+Cigarette+Racing

This Apache now lives in Keswick, Ontario on Lake Simcoe.
I don't know who owns it or its history/origin;

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jackiewilson

07-26-2020, 04:14 AM

YESTERDAY I TOOK A NOSTALGIC VISIT TO MY VILLAGE IN WEST SUSSEX. Its called Southwater.
My local pub was the “COCK INN”, ITS BEEN CALLED THAT FOR THE LAST 250 YEARS.
Suddenly thats no longer acceptable or politically correct.
Now if there had been a sign hung outside with a an extraordinary large penis showing, i could understand this. BUT, the sign has always shown a rooster with a full red comb on the back of its neck!
Pubs have always been called INNS. Has the world gone completely bonkers. Do these politically correct idiots think they can change history ?
My pub is now called THE CRAFTY FOX——- this, in spite of the fact there is a pub called THE FOX less than two miles down the same road.
When these stupid Dingleberry’s gather in protest as they usually do regularly. I think it would be totally acceptable to turn the muck (manure) spreader on them and then wash them down with the water cannon . AT FULL PRESSURE!

jackiewilson

07-26-2020, 05:24 AM

WaterZebra

07-26-2020, 10:11 AM

Guy Gibson was a Squadron Leader who led “The Dam Busters”. He is part of English folklore and RAF history. He had a dog called N—G—- R. This has been removed from the dogs headstone!!??? I don’t give a flying fart what the PC’s do, they can never change history!
Surely I can’t be the last sane person left on earth!

Currently there is a movement in the USA to remove all Confederate icons. Mississippi has been directed to come up with a new state flag. Somebody's even painting a target on tearing down Mount Rushmore. Kinda makes you wonder what really happened in Egypt 4000 years ago and what we believe to be fact in what we see, touch and interpret today? 500 years from now the Lake Havasu OWC will be understood to be some kind of elite multi national naval exercise.

Lake X Kid

07-26-2020, 11:43 AM

Suddenly thats no longer acceptable or politically correct.

Jackie is there a civil war happening between the British people? I saw this article at Yahoo Sports.
~~~

Last week, Lewis Hamilton called out both FIA president Jean Todt, and F1 CEO Chase Carey for lacking leadership amid his Black Lives Matter activism.
The Mercedes driver also criticized F1 greats of the sport Emerson Fittipaldi, Mario Andretti, (https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a33378243/f1-hamilton-generational-divide-racism-andretti/) and Jackie Stewart, along with former F1 chief executive Bernie Ecclestone, even accusing the latter of lacking education.

Ecclestone, 89, is not taking the shot without taking one of his one. He has been lashing out at Hamilton through the British newspapers (https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/formula1/bernie-eccleston-lewis-hamilton-racism-f1-black-lives-matter-a9633971.html), saying, "Lewis, you state that I am uneducated and ignorant. I have the same level of schooling as you. At least I had a reason—I was at school during the last war, not always under the best conditions. You are lucky because if I had not been as properly educated,perhaps Formula 1 would not be as it was for you to benefit as you have.

"Don't think about what your skin color is—think about what color your mind is. Don't envy others. Just improve and catch up."

Given the option, Todt says he would love to keep world politics out of Formula 1.

jackiewilson

07-26-2020, 02:03 PM

No, not a civil war. Just a bunch of idiots who found a slogan BLACK LIVES MATTER.and went on the rampage. If I held up a WHITE LIVES MATTER placard, I would be called a racist and thrown in the pokey!!!
I think Hamilton has just about crapped his bucket full !!! Hes been sailing close to the wind with his BLM views and taking the knee, condemning drivers who think otherwise and biting the hand that feeds him.
I have been an ardent admirer of Lewis since his carting days, but I wouldnt even bother switching the TV on to watch F1 since his idiotic and racist ramblings started.
Time to button up,or piss off into the long distance. I will no longer listen or watch all the BLM racist claptrap.

jackiewilson

07-27-2020, 01:13 PM

Looks like nobody has anything to say on the BLM subject . / i know its a boating only site, but all the old farts i know will not simply sit there and listen to the rantings of a few misguided lunatics with very RACIST views.
Lets make this abundantly clear, I do not support the BLM movement.

2us70

07-28-2020, 10:27 AM

For the first time in 50 years I have filed for a concealed carry permit.

jackiewilson

07-29-2020, 03:21 AM

For the first time in 50 years I have filed for a concealed carry permit.

Why conceal it? Do it like Buck jones , Roy Rodgers, Wyatt Earp and Clint Eastwood , Low slung , one each side and a belt full of ammunition.
White, Black, Pink, Yellow or Green, it’s LIFE that matters !

jackiewilson

07-31-2020, 01:01 AM

Today im taking the whole day off, going down to Hamble with daughter Sam .been invited for a day out an my sisters boat.This usually happens once or twice every year, but last year , for no particular reason it didnt happen.
We Will probably find a small secluded beach ,somewhere off the Isle of Wight and Moor up. temperatures are set to be over 90; so I may even dip my toes in the briny.
Been buying and selling lots of machinery, trying to downsize . Problem is, I seem to get less and less actual work done, although my creativity has hit new highs. See how it all comes together.

jackiewilson

07-31-2020, 01:20 PM

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had a nice day out on the boat. Had a choppy old ride across to the isle of wight.
Sun buggered off and the temperature dropped, so much for the hottest day of the year.

Lake X Kid

07-31-2020, 09:23 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=470693&d=1596219467

jackiewilson

08-01-2020, 04:59 AM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=470693&d=1596219467

THATS MY YOUNGEST , BEEN a couple of years since we went cruising. Yesterday we went across to the Isle of Wight on Fishies Fairline Targa.
Saw “Peter the Cheetah” going up river, but he was busy looking at instrumentation!

FUJIMO

08-01-2020, 10:28 AM

...chip off the old block if i've ever seen one...:thumbsup:

jackiewilson

08-01-2020, 03:59 PM

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Just wondered how many of the old farts saw this on Facebook today ?

FUJIMO

08-01-2020, 04:06 PM

jackiewilson

08-02-2020, 06:14 AM

...no did'nt see it on face book. thanks for the reminder about my socks though. that reminds me. i need to sew the holes up in my argyls...;)https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=470771&d=1596315485

You may find this hard to believe, but i got more hits with me and my daughter Sam than i did with the girl with orange covered crutch !! Or as the colonials say, “CROTCH”.

FUJIMO

08-02-2020, 12:17 PM

You may find this hard to believe, but i got more hits with me and my daughter Sam than i did with the girl with orange covered crutch !! Or as the colonials say, “CROTCH”.
...i had no idea that was you with the girl in the orange.(lol)

jackiewilson

08-02-2020, 02:17 PM

...i had no idea that was you with the girl in the orange.(lol)

You know me Fuji, full of surprises ?

Lake X Kid

08-03-2020, 09:59 AM

If only I could step back in time, and my efforts could rewrite present day history. Then the historical revisionism would go something like this Canterbury tale.

~~~
I am enjoying a meal with my dad, boating enthusiasts, and other Mercury team members, at Tabard Inn. When we all proceed to retire to our sleeping rooms, I take my dad to the side. With youthful persuasion, I implore my dad.

Dad when Prince Phillip and his entourage, approaches you tomorrow, I have a gift for him. It is letter of humble recommendation. And my dad, not wanting to be party to such foolishness,

nevertheless takes the message. :iagree:

Next day after the informal meeting at the British boating event, my dad gives the
Duke of Edinburgh, my parting gift. It’s a hand written letter from me, to his royal highness.
This is the tale’s advantage of hindsight, going back to the past, and creating revisionist history.

The letter's content, to be continued ...

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Lake X Kid

08-03-2020, 10:12 AM

Sir Duke of Edinburgh,

Your honorable sons are destined to be fine members of the royal family, as is their father,
Your Royal Highness. Your oldest son, a pure blood, is in the lineage of upholding his royal duties.

The younger royal, the Duke of York, if humbly permitted, I would like to suggest some alternatives. There are some fine young women, here in the boating community, even though they are of common blood, they are upstanding British citizens. They are ladies in waiting, and would make any gentleman a fine wife. They will not publically embarrass the Queen Mother, nor the Duke of Edinburgh or the British people.

(...This part is not in the letter. What a coup of triumph for the British boating community if
Prince Andrew were to have married: a daughter of Jackie, Bob, Tom or any of the other maidens in the marine industry. Now back to the letter).

Sir bewares, of Jeffrey Epstein, and his consort of questionable crime Ghislaine Maxwell. Warn Prince Andrew to not fall victim, to their lair of playboy mansions and financial wealth. Bad publicity of wide-world proportions will befall the Duke of York, if he personally associates with said party.

Prevent the House of Windsor’s future, from surpassing King Arthur’s court in machinations.

Yours sincerely,
Lake X Kid
England 1970’s

FUJIMO

08-03-2020, 10:12 AM

...cool little story. one of those important moments in youth that sticks with you...

jackiewilson

08-03-2020, 03:45 PM

Can see I’m going to have to get all the Piccies out of me and Princess Margaret. Then, me and Marilyn and Ava and Shirley and Me and Missus Smith .????
It was tough sometimes being a race boat driver ! But somebody had to do it!!!

FUJIMO

08-03-2020, 08:08 PM

jackiewilson

08-05-2020, 07:03 AM

Just heard Andy Elliot was rushed into hospital and had a brain tumour removed . He then had two more operations and is now in an induced coma.
Andy raced with my son Mark in the Fonda series of races.
Son of RON and Mary Elliot. Long time members of the LMBRC.
Andy is only 64. The occasional prayer wouldn’t go amiss here .

techteam

08-06-2020, 01:50 AM

jackiewilson

08-06-2020, 02:16 AM

I am very sorry to hear about Andy Elliott, but Andy is a fighter and I've seen him in a serious condition before in a hospital in St Petersburg and he made nothing short of a miraculous recovery. He even flew home with a punctured lung after being cleared by a Russian doctor! I wish him all the best and a full speedy recovery.

Ive known Andy since he was five years old. Knew his mum and dad too. Salt of the earth people, died long before their time. His father Ron raced both outboards and inboards.
Andy should have won the Fonda world title at his first attempt, it went down to the wire, but John Hill beat him in the last race of the season. He was so nervous, he pittled at least five times in the hour before the start. John of course had been racing for 20 years by then and was much more experienced.
If Theres any chance at all, then Andy will take it, May your God be with you Andy Elliot.

jackiewilson

08-09-2020, 02:50 AM

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Took a day off yesterday, went to Sams beach house. Spent an hour on the paddle board, then a rather noisy game of Boules .

jackiewilson

08-10-2020, 03:04 AM

471297

One of my favourite eating houses in the world. Great food , friendly service ( when the place isn’t heaving) and a nice ambiance.
Tee shirt was bought for me by my granddaughter KATE, the last time I visited the Keys.

FUJIMO

08-10-2020, 08:55 AM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=471297&d=1597046488

GENE LANHAM

08-10-2020, 02:02 PM

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Just wondered how many of the old farts saw this on Facebook today ?

five o'clock shadow

jackiewilson

08-11-2020, 02:32 AM

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Ok, so here goes, today im going to do “A Lassie”, lots of pictures of the same thing from long ago.
Today it’s the 1976 Bristol Embassy Grand Prix catalogue.
Cost was twenty pence ( around twenty five cents) , but it was full to the brim of interesting things, places, people etc. So here goes!

jackiewilson

08-11-2020, 02:46 AM

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Now, Theres a piece of history, right before your very eyes.
The very start of formula one power boat racing. There was no such thing as formula racing in boats, but there was in cars. 70 years ago this month, the very first formula one car race was held at Silverstone.
Five years later, Charlie Sheppard based his interpretation of “FORMULA” Racing and offered it to the UIM. Idea was, to make it easier for the fans to understand.
Before this happened, circuit racing as we knew it was based on hydroplane racing ,
ie, OZ, ON, OI, OF,——— we actually stole their designations. then, there was the utility classes (pleasure boats) XU NU,FU, EU , and so on. He single handedly changed the face of circuit racing for ever !

jackiewilson

08-11-2020, 02:57 AM

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Another piece of powerboat racing history, Murray Walker. Without a doubt the most revered, loved and respected commentator of all time. He is known for his outrageous Gaffes whilst commentating.
THE CAR OUT FRONT IS UNIQUE, NOT ANOTHER ONE LIKE IT IN THE WORLD, EXCEPT HIS TEAM MATE WHO IS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND.
He was commentating at Bristol when I was running the COSWORTH. He had all the favourites on his spread sheets. It kinda threw him when I shot off first. His famous quote that day was. “SOMEBODY’S IN THE LEAD” , so, in an instant, I went from being a nobody to a somebody .
Murray Walker is still alive and well and is now 96 years young.

STEVERINO

08-11-2020, 04:48 AM

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Another piece of powerboat racing history, Murray Walker. Without a doubt the most revered, loved and respected commentator of all time. He is known for his outrageous Gaffes whilst commentating.
THE CAR OUT FRONT IS UNIQUE, NOT ANOTHER ONE LIKE IT IN THE WORLD, EXCEPT HIS TEAM MATE WHO IS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND.
He was commentating at Bristol when I was running the COSWORTH. He had all the favourites on his spread sheets. It kinda threw him when I shot off first. His famous quote that day was. “SOMEBODY’S IN THE LEAD” , so, in an instant, I went from being a nobody to a somebody .
Murray Walker is still alive and well and is now 96 years young. If you go on to youtube you can watch the 1976 Bristol race with Murray Walker commentating he states the leading boat was driven by Jackie Wilson but the camera only showed the white Milesmaster boat of Bill Brown in Venus and you were driving a blue Hodges.But I was way out in front and lucky enough to lead the race in the no 7 boat for one lap only before having gearcase issues but on camera Murray Walker states the no 9 boat driven by Jeff Edwards is leading when any one watching the race could see who was leading.Enough said the picture shows the no 7 boat and the boat way behind was the no 9 boat who Murray thought was leading he was seriously confused when it came to boat racing.

jackiewilson

08-11-2020, 06:18 AM

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Niether you nor me made the page of fame in the 1976 Bristol programme Steve. andre Dierx was A mercury factory driver and good at that time.
Hans Pelster was a great competitor.
Bella Coalville had nice titties , so she was always going to get mentioned in despatches.
Bill Brown, well, he was there !
Rest of them all deserved to be there .

jackiewilson

08-11-2020, 06:20 AM

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Thorneywork’s ramblings make for some interesting reading!
wonder what he thought the rest of us did for a living?

jackiewilson

08-11-2020, 07:33 AM

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No words necessary !

jackiewilson

08-11-2020, 08:38 AM

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Popular place for the drivers to stay. Right on the waterfront and minutes away from the pits/ then of course, there was the “DRAGONARA” Hotel with the famous KILN restaurant where everyone had those Las Vegas style breakfasts!

jackiewilson

08-11-2020, 08:41 AM

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Bristol eu’s running on home waters with a young Kevin McCorie In an OE.

techteam

08-11-2020, 09:27 AM

Three course lunch for £2.95 them were the days !!

jackiewilson

08-11-2020, 09:56 AM

And the food was edible. To this day, I remember having eggs benedict with SEEBOLD in the Kiln every morning during race week.

FUJIMO

08-11-2020, 10:14 AM

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Ok, so here goes, today im going to do “A Lassie”, lots of pictures of the same thing from long ago.

...lol, you crack me up jackie...:smiletest:

jackiewilson

08-11-2020, 10:27 AM

Ok enough is enough, I think we milked the cow dry !
Just a final flourish of the 1976 Embassy Bristol Grand Prix catalogue——?471382471383

Founder members of the Cotswold Club.

FUJIMO

08-11-2020, 02:02 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=471364&d=1597130867

jackiewilson

08-11-2020, 04:12 PM

I might just have another rummage through the box. I was looking for the account I wrote of my time in Guys Hospital having a triple by-pass.
I did find it and a bonus was the “first time I met Chas Shooter” . Something I wrote over forty years ago. Its going in the book as a chapter on its own, Chas was my best friend for over forty years and deserves a special chapter of his own.

FUJIMO

08-11-2020, 08:06 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=471365&d=1597131223

FUJIMO

08-12-2020, 08:29 AM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=471366&d=1597132022

jackiewilson

08-13-2020, 08:20 AM

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Found this in a box up in the loft, did have this in my collection of outboards which went long ago. Suppose i ought to save it for someone like Roger H, thats if its any use at all. I know its a pre1939 Johnson parts manual. Were they ever meaningful in those far off days.471521

jackiewilson

08-13-2020, 08:30 AM

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Time to play silly buggers once more, this is POWERBOAT from june 1978, just about the heyday of powerboat racing, both circuit and offshore. In this edition there was a shedload of information and personalities. For the next couple of days i shall be bombarding you with forty odd year old events and happenings And personalities.471523

JAMES BEARD and ROZ KNOTT . Each month Bell Whisky would offer a Magnum of Whisky to the outstanding personality that month.
James was taken long before his time , he should be here with me enjoying his retirement. Friend of the nobility and us peasants.

jackiewilson

08-13-2020, 08:32 AM

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If you didnt know this man, you will certainly have heard of him. One of the top five raceboat drivers in the world.

jackiewilson

08-13-2020, 08:35 AM

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Lovely man and a very good friend of mine, he broke a few hearts in the USA and turned out to be a very good driver indeed .

jackiewilson

08-13-2020, 08:36 AM

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Tony Needell, founding father of the london Motor BOATRACING Club, had an office in half moon street and is the father of Tiff Needell., who you may have heard of, He never quite made it at anything, either cars or boats?
Tony was chief scrutineer at the CTC for many years.

FUJIMO

08-13-2020, 08:50 AM

...a beard boat...http://www.cougar-powerboats.com/_dynamic/980/300/1/UserFiles/Image/gallery-images/61_yellowdrama-iii-1977.jpg

jackiewilson

08-13-2020, 09:15 AM

...a beard boat...http://www.cougar-powerboats.com/_dynamic/980/300/1/UserFiles/Image/gallery-images/61_yellowdrama-iii-1977.jpg
Think that might have been Ken Cassir.

FUJIMO

08-13-2020, 09:19 AM

Think that might have been Ken Cassir.
...yes, you are correct jackie. but a boat that beard designed. its in black & white, in your nice magazine photo...https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=471523&d=1597325173

jackiewilson

08-13-2020, 09:23 AM

And Theres more, 471531

something quite close to my heart, i had aspirations of trundling it round the course at tavares just one time, but i guess that ain’t never going to happen!

FUJIMO

08-13-2020, 09:32 AM

jackiewilson

08-13-2020, 11:16 AM

...been over this before jackie, but can't recall the answer...the little mercruiser alpha sterndrive you used on that boat...that you bolted the speedmaster to the bottom of...which speedmaster did you use...the MC1? oil flow was required from top to bottom through a hole or passage between the two halfs...how was this handled...or do you even remember yourself, lol...? if you can't remember thats o.k. too...no biggy...;)

Now, i am fortunate indeed to have the two engineers who made a mercruiser leg and bottom end stay together as friends to this day. Malcolm TYRRELL and Ian “Hawkeye” Hawkins. Both have been retired for a few years now . Malcolm retired from COSWORTHS. Ian had moved to the USA with ILMOR HAVING LEFT COSWORTH ENGINEERING .
Remember we had 400 horsepower going through that leg, so the first thing they did was to replace the splined shaft with a quill shaft , about as thick as your finger.
Next up was to make the gearcase do its job without failures . I had a temperature gauge and a pressure gauge.
Afraid i cant remember where i put my specs in the workshop, but i will ask Hawkeye for you.

FUJIMO

08-13-2020, 12:58 PM

...when you say replaced the splined shaft, i take it you mean the vertical driveshaft. this had to be a special length as well. i take it, it was an MC1 gearcase.

jackiewilson

08-14-2020, 05:51 AM

...when you say replaced the splined shaft, i take it you mean the vertical driveshaft. this had to be a special length as well. i take it, it was an MC1 gearcase.

No Fuji, I meant the floppy bit that connects the motor to the drive shaft, has a UJ. EVERY CAR IN THE WORLD HAS ONE. OVER HERE WE CALL EM PROP SHAFTS.

FUJIMO

08-14-2020, 07:19 AM

No Fuji, I meant the floppy bit that connects the motor to the drive shaft, has a UJ. EVERY CAR IN THE WORLD HAS ONE. OVER HERE WE CALL EM PROP SHAFTS. ...gotcha...language barrier, lol. MerCruiser has always simply called them an input shaft. they have been available in many different lengths since then.

jackiewilson

08-14-2020, 11:51 AM

...gotcha...language barrier, lol. MerCruiser has always simply called them an input shaft. they have been available in many different lengths since then.

That maybe so Fuji, but i bet mercury never made an indestructible “ Quill shaFt “as Duckworth used to call it , or “ a very desirable piece of kit”. This particular shaft never let me down once , together with the centrifugal clutch. tickover was 3000, hit the pedal , at 4000 the drive came in, 400 hp went through that quill shaft. Twisted like a corkscrew before unwinding And sending the power gently down the leg without breaking spines or anything like that. Bit like a soft start on today’s power tools.
How am I doing so far?

jackiewilson

08-14-2020, 11:55 AM

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Think Alfie got to jockeyone of these Molinari’s.

jackiewilson

08-14-2020, 11:58 AM

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Renato and Billy were the two top contenders for the Best ever circuit driver !

jackiewilson

08-14-2020, 12:00 PM

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bollocks !!!! Ive had better days than this/. Not one of jenks better days.!

GENE LANHAM

08-14-2020, 12:56 PM

That maybe so Fuji, but i bet mercury never made an indestructible “ Quill shaFt “as Duckworth used to call it , or “ a very desirable piece of kit”. This particular shaft never let me down once , together with the centrifugal clutch. tickover was 3000, hit the pedal , at 4000 the drive came in, 400 hp went through that quill shaft. Twisted like a corkscrew before unwinding And sending the power gently down the leg without breaking spines or anything like that. Bit like a soft start on today’s power tools.
How am I doing so far?

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jackiewilson

08-14-2020, 02:46 PM

NOT the only time a Cosworth has connected to a Mercruiser---471593

Think that was the one GG , Ian Hawkins and Malcolm put together in the USA.
Bill Petty was instrumental in putting together the KT that BENTZ drove at the Miami marine stadium.
Then there was the offshore multi motor effort that never made headlines????
Dont know if Welch was still there at that time, 1979/80 .?? But he would still know all the details!

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FUJIMO

08-14-2020, 06:21 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=471368&d=1597144219

FUJIMO

08-14-2020, 06:36 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=471371&d=1597144749

powerabout

08-14-2020, 07:28 PM

yup, looks like the one.
I remember an offshore boat that had them, everyone said it wont work and it didnt I seem to remember.
I guess the owner had a lesson in torque

jackiewilson

08-15-2020, 12:43 AM

I remember an offshore boat that had them, everyone said it wont work and it didnt I seem to remember.
I guess the owner had a lesson in torque

Think the owners were Mercury, COSWORTH sent the two engineers that put my boat together stateside to supervise the effort.
Believe me when I tell you , that pair know more about TORQUE than anyone else in the world !
Part of the team that made the motor part of the chassis in the first monocoque ever !

jackiewilson

08-15-2020, 07:17 AM

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Had an altercation with the polisher, took a chunk out of my palm, damn but thats tender right now.

powerabout

08-15-2020, 09:14 AM

Think the owners were Mercury, COSWORTH sent the two engineers that put my boat together stateside to supervise the effort.
Believe me when I tell you , that pair know more about TORQUE than anyone else in the world !
Part of the team that made the motor part of the chassis in the first monocoque ever !
if they knew about torque they would have known they needed 4 of them to get 2 x 700lbsft or so at any rpm to shift a Class 1 boat
would have been a good engine in an outboard class...

Lake X Kid

08-15-2020, 09:27 AM

Renato and Billy were the two top contenders for the Best ever circuit driver !

Renato Molinari racer: by Christopher Wright in the Embassy program.

Some would say he had to win. And that definitely does not make him the most popular man in Bristol.
Molinari has no great love for the Gentlemen of the Press.
“Non Comprende” when he does not want to talk to you in English
Arrogant, he does appear a little bit that way to some jaundiced journalists, and a few other powerboat drivers.
Molinari is a loner; he has a job to do. He wants to get on to it.

8 times World Champion.
10 times European Champion.
4 times Paris 6 Hour winner.
2 times Havasu winner.
2 times Parker winner.
(Article’s 1978 stats).

~~~
I (the lakeside kid) remind myself, that personalities sell books.
Statistical wins wow us; engine specifications draw our attention and are worthy to be told.
But humans connect more with humans, and therefore sell more books, than books about machines. Men and their machines … and more so the men, and women too.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=471586&d=1597325456

Lake X Kid

08-15-2020, 09:39 AM

Renato Molinari and his scafo (hull), on the cover.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=471585&d=1597424084

jackiewilson

08-15-2020, 11:38 AM

if they knew about torque they would have known they needed 4 of them to get 2 x 700lbsft or so at any rpm to shift a Class 1 boat
would have been a good engine in an outboard class...

Make no mistake Pilgrim . Baffle me with bullsh-t all you want . i would back either one of them against anyone in the world. They worked with Duckworth and were dubbed “ A Pair of Bright Lads” by him , you cannot imagine how high that praise was .

GENE LANHAM

08-15-2020, 01:17 PM

Think the owners were Mercury, COSWORTH sent the two engineers that put my boat together stateside to supervise the effort.
Believe me when I tell you , that pair know more about TORQUE than anyone else in the world !
Part of the team that made the motor part of the chassis in the first monocoque ever !

I grew up thinking--'THERE AIN'T NO SUBSTITUTE FOR CUBIC INCHES'---

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GENE LANHAM

08-15-2020, 05:11 PM

I grew up thinking--'THERE AIN'T NO SUBSTITUTE FOR CUBIC INCHES'---

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And then we discovered a SUBSTITUTE---

CUBIC DOLLARS

LYCOMING

RACE FUEL---KEROSINE

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FUJIMO

08-15-2020, 06:28 PM

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Lake X Kid

08-15-2020, 10:57 PM

COSWORTH sent the two engineers that put my boat together stateside to supervise the effort.
Believe me when I tell you , that pair know more about TORQUE than anyone else in the world !
Part of the team that made the motor part of the chassis in the first monocoque ever !

HP = Torque x RPM, the importance of torque in a non-shifting vehicle. As I humbly understand it.

Operating with only a single gear is, one of the dilemmas of a race boat setup not found in cars. Without shifting to a higher gear, the boat is confined to a compromise of acceleration or top end speed.

In the chart, the boat is not able to shift to higher gears, thus not able to maximize utilizing the engine’s rising horsepower curve. Therefore prop selection is upmost a vital decision. The wrong prop pitch and smaller diameter, will increase RPM (spinning your tires) and lower the Torque value, in application and in the formula HP = Torque x RPM.
Torque = Force (HP) x Radius Distance (propeller or engine’s connecting rod wrist pin to crankshaft’s center).

Therefore without the benefit of shifting to higher gears in a boat’s application, the Torque value is more important in the boat’s setup equation, than in an automobile.

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Lake X Kid

08-15-2020, 11:04 PM

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powerabout

08-16-2020, 02:31 AM

Lots of combos tried in offshore but till the Lambo v12 nothing could make enough torque so our favorite Chev that came out first pretty much outlived them all till now
Remember diesels, 1.5 cap bonus when boosted, couldnt get on the plane then got gears then got banned

( ok QC4v is a bit more modern and lots of other stuff)

jackiewilson

08-16-2020, 05:43 AM

GREG , i need help, i replied in a long and meaningful manner to the lake x kids post and its blocked me posting, can you do anything . Jack.

jackiewilson

08-16-2020, 05:45 AM

HP = Torque x RPM, the importance of torque in a non-shifting vehicle. As I humbly understand it.

Operating with only a single gear is, one of the dilemmas of a race boat setup not found in cars. Without shifting to a higher gear, the boat is confined to a compromise of acceleration or top end speed.

In the chart, the boat is not able to shift to higher gears, thus not able to maximize utilizing the engine’s rising horsepower curve. Therefore prop selection is upmost a vital decision. The wrong prop pitch and smaller diameter, will increase RPM (spinning your tires) and lower the Torque value, in application and in the formula HP = Torque x RPM.
Torque = Force (HP) x Radius Distance (propeller or engine’s connecting rod wrist pin to crankshaft’s center).

Therefore without the benefit of shifting to higher gears in a boat’s application, the Torque value is more important in the boat’s setup equation, than in an automobile.

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i answered this in great detail but unfortunately it go blocked .

powerabout

08-16-2020, 09:25 AM

Lake x kid
let me summarize your post for the others...

how much torque you have at 5252 is the real story
take 2 800hp engines but different.
One has hp peak at 6000rpm (with a torque peak of about 800ftlbs at 5252) the other at 11000rpm so at 5252 the 11000 engine has 400hp and about 400ftlbs if its lucky, wont pull the skin off a rice pudding...
it would make a good outboard though...

Please tell me nobody was going to put a 1.5ltr BMW F1 engine in a class 1 boat coz they are 1000hp?

Rotary John

08-16-2020, 10:53 AM

FUJIMO

08-16-2020, 11:46 AM

...I know Jackie is for sure blowing smoke....he's been down on compression for a while now...;)

FUJIMO

08-16-2020, 02:21 PM

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Lake X Kid

08-16-2020, 06:18 PM

Powerboat and Rotary John, thinks for the replies. I am still digesting your information with some Gatorade.

Hopefully the sage from Britain will stop blowing smoke (and fix those leaky piston rings). And then he can clarify the HP vs Torque controversy. I mean heck, I stuck my neck out there.

Jackie if you are low on Compression, try drinking some Gatorade. The University of Florida developed the beverage, as an energy (hydrating) drink for their student athletics.

Bob V

08-16-2020, 06:44 PM

Jackie if you are low on Compression, try drinking some Gatorade. The University of Florida developed the beverage, as an energy (hydrating) drink for their student athletics.

This should boost his compression...

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FUJIMO

08-16-2020, 06:50 PM

...well i'll be a monkey's uncle...i knew that boat was unusually fast for some reason...now we know why...:rolleyes:

Lake X Kid

08-16-2020, 07:00 PM

Somebody is going to blow a head gasket, And I do not think it will be boat# 2.
But maybe its driver's extra-high compression might.

Beware of the coming prop-wash.

This should boost his compression...

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powerabout

08-16-2020, 07:22 PM

I seem to recall HP= torque x RPM/5252. so your 800 ft-lb engine would have 800 HP @ 5252 and 600HP @ 6000RPM ? . your other engine then would have 400HP at 5252. Me thinks w/o actual HP or torque curves your just blowing smoke. I know Jackie is for sure blowing smoke.

with that formula you know a 3.5 ltr F1 engine ( at twice the rpm) cant do the job of a 8.1 ltr v8 even if they have the same HP number, its all about the torque in a heavy boat

jackiewilson

08-17-2020, 02:45 AM

OK< HERE GOES. I am not an engineer and never have or pretended to be . All i have is a fundamental understanding of the internal combustion engine and a modicum of common sense.
So it comes as a surprise to me that all my brainy friends out there who pontificate loudly on the differentials in RPM AND TORQUE ? Seem to have so little respect for CAMS !
Now you can take all the torque in the world, but it dont mean a damn thing unless you tie into the right motor, with the cam suited to its purpose. With the correct gear ratios to suit the prop, that is the correct diameter and pitch To the set up.
Let me give you a simple example.
We had been running the cosworth in Europe for three months, quite successfully i may add. Gradually getting it up to near the 125 mph mark. The whole set up was about right, we were running with the factory motors.
This was only ever going to be a short term programme (one season). Bedford DAVEY wanted to see the boat run in Parker, so he paid for the boat to be shipped out there .
Ian Hawkins, Malcolm Tyrell, Keith Duckworth and i went to Havasu to test the boat, just to make sure everything was Tickety Boo.
Damned boat would not even get on plane . Wallowed around like a beached whale. turned out that GG and KD had decided to run “Longer gears” in an attempt to make the gearcase last half distance ,
( in the event it went for six and a half of the seven hours, just Couldnt get the gearcase off to change it. THATS WHERE THE OTHER HALF HOUR WENT)
Bob Hetzel chopped a half inch off the diameter, result was an anvil that would have wound its way through concrete and two foot thick logs without fear of ever getting a nick in it. Certainly the ugliest wheel i have ever seen.
Did push the boat up on plane , and run around 120, but it didnt have the grunt out of the turn.
was a case of the right prop, married to the correct gear ratio , from a motor with the right cam to suit the given torque . SIMPLES ???

jackiewilson

08-17-2020, 02:53 AM

This should boost his compression...

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THANK THE LORD THAT THE OLD FARTS HAVE NOT LOST THEIR SENSE OF HUMOUR. Must confess to laughing out loud this morning when i opened up S+ F.
That must be what the colonials call “FAKE NEWS”. Maybe there is some truth in the Putin rigging elections rumour !,!
Well done Bobby Vee for todays chuckles.

powerabout

08-17-2020, 09:18 AM

THANK THE LORD THAT THE OLD FARTS HAVE NOT LOST THEIR SENSE OF HUMOUR. Must confess to laughing out loud this morning when i opened up S+ F.
That must be what the colonials call “FAKE NEWS”. Maybe there is some truth in the Putin rigging elections rumour !,!
Well done Bobby Vee for todays chuckles.
its like this, the transporter that towed your Cosworth tunnel had a v8 with lots of torque, didnt go quite as fast but it did go uphill

jackiewilson

08-17-2020, 10:49 AM

Even the California colonials should be up and running by now. Really surprised i haven't been shot down in flames and hung out to dry , what is the matter with you old farts these days.

FUJIMO

08-17-2020, 10:59 AM

Even the California colonials should be up and running by now. Really surprised i haven't been shot down in flames and hung out to dry , what is the matter with you old farts these days.
...well, check out the california news jackie. they are going up in flames themselves, as it seems they have been doing every single summer, for the last 20 years... our west coast has severe drought conditions that never seem to end. they are turning off the electricity too. its nutz out there.

jackiewilson

08-17-2020, 11:37 AM

its like this, the transporter that towed your Cosworth tunnel had a v8 with lots of torque, didnt go quite as fast but it did go uphill

Hey PILGRIM, its like this. The V8 COSWORTH comes in many Guises, In 1978 it was winning everything and had even surpassed Ferrari in outright Victories in formula 1. The F1 version was pulling over 800 hp and 18000 rpm. Good for a one and a half hour race (maybe) before a rebuild.

One i had was the Le Mans Version Peaked at 10000 rpm but would run 48 hrs at 85000 giving 400 hp
Indy version was blown and pulling over 1100 hp. so you see its horses for courses.

GENE LANHAM

08-17-2020, 01:53 PM

Hey PILGRIM,
Indy version was blown and pulling over 1100 hp. so you see its horses for courses.

---On Methanol--2 to 3 BAR??

Rotary John

08-17-2020, 03:44 PM

Jackie: 800 HP @ 18000 RPM = 233 lb-ft of torque
400 HP @ 8000 RPM = 262 lb-ft torque
You didn't say what RPM the indy engine ran but assume 10000 RPM @ 1000 HP = 525 lb-ft torque
So as you can see its all about torque. It's why the diesels are baned all over. 500 HP @ 1500 rpm = 1751 lb-ft of torque.
Clarence Blanchard was defined torque as the effort required to push down a morning hard on to hit the toilet bowel.

Rotary John

08-17-2020, 03:46 PM

Jackie: 800 HP @ 18000 RPM = 233 lb-ft of torque
400 HP @ 8000 RPM = 262 lb-ft torque
You didn't say what RPM the Indy engine ran but assume 10000 RPM @ 1000 HP = 525 lb-ft torque
So as you can see its all about torque. It's why the diesels are baned all over. 500 HP @ 1500 rpm = 1751 lb-ft of torque.
Clarence Blanchard once defined torque as the effort required to push down a morning hard on to hit the toilet bowel.