Tricks that old racers get up to after retirement

[jackiewilson]

I recently read an interesting article about Craig Arfons and his fatal attempt at the speed record on July 9, 1989 at Lake Jackson in Sebring. The information indicates that he was running in excess of 400 mph and as much as 425 mph when the boat lifted off. It was never intended that he would run that fast. The team had a specific amount of time that he would utilize the afterburner, but he went well beyond that. Perhaps he wanted to set a record that would stand for a long time. Nevertheless, laying into the afterburner as long as he did well exceeded the aerodynamic capability of the hull. Had he used the afterburner as planned, he may have set a new record and been able to talk about it. We will never know... RIP

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Thats exactly what I mean about the WWS record Bob———— it’s claimed a hell of a lot of lives down the years.
Pruett took me to meet Art Arfons—— he was down the road apiece from Rick La Morte, he loved turbos

[jackiewilson]

Came into the house for a cup of tea, pills and a biscuit———- watched the last ten laps of the Monaco GP————if ever there was a clear cut case of a race being rigged———— it was this one.
Racing (crawling) at speeds five seconds a lap slower than last year——— all but one car actually finishing———— most of them on the same lap———- it was, to put it simply A Procession!
Another one like that and it’ll be F1/s own funeral procession !
I stopped watching two years ago when I realised just how”BENT” the whole F1 scene had become———- shan’t be watching it again——— talk about watching paint dry !
Another productive day in the shop——- well pleased with my achievement——- still have four pug ugly outboards to make.
Sad to hear my son Mark had to cancel his trip to visit England on Tuesday——— his wife Vicky was rushed to hospital today——— prognosis is not good——- I’ll keep you in the loop.

[Bob V]

Thats exactly what I mean about the WWS record Bob———— it’s claimed a hell of a lot of lives down the years.
Pruett took me to meet Art Arfons—— he was down the road apiece from Rick La Morte, he loved turbos

If you think about it, there are so many variable that have to come together to successfully set a world speed record. Many of those variable are out of our control. So at best, even with the best technology on the planet, setting a world speed record is little more than a crap shoot. All it takes is for one or two of the variables to go astray and the whole project becomes a disaster.

So sorry to hear about Mark's wife...

[jackiewilson]

On a personal but very selfish note, I had been so much looking forward to spending time with Mark and Vicky——— we just don’t get time to talk. Somehow, we got caught up in the rush that is glibly labelled “Life”.
If you’re racing boats in the top flight——— then your in the “Fast Lane”——- it takes over your life—— 95% of the time you’re preparing for the next race——— out of season is time for getting your rear in gear ——- scheming and planning as to how you can come out of the traps ahead of the opposition.
I don’t ever remember the transition from competitive racing to organising a series——- helping Mark get into the top level——— I woke up one morning and I was old———- turned 80 ——- and still here!
Somewhere along the way I had acquired five kids——- eleven grandkids and thirteen great grandkids.
My own kids had grown “UP,UP AND AWAY, all had gone there own separate ways———Sandra and Steve had moved to Italy working for BOOTSIE.———- Mark and Vick had gone to live in Switzerland working for Rolla at Record props.
Sam had joined forces with three others to form an air freight company at Heathrow——— turned out the youngest had the best head for business——— has houses in Rural England ——- a beach house in Sussex and a house on the inter coastal In florida and has a handicap of seven.
Looking back, I often wonder what else I could have done for my kids? But then I think there’s a very fine line between “helping” and “interfering” .
On the whole, I don’t think I got it far wrong————- just amazed me the time went so quickly!

[jackiewilson]

Balmy summer weather has at last. arrived here in the south of England———- two back to back bank holidays with damn near perfect weather——— first time I can ever remember that happening !
There’s always a huge three day musical festival down in Portsmouth over the bank holiday———- seems to be where the drug dealers get rid of their product to the young teenagers hell bent on a good time. This time they managed to kill a pair of seventeen year old girls and hospitalised fifteen more.as the organisers closed down the festival.
Im sure the police know who these animals are who sell the kids this lethal sh-t ! Hanging’s too good for the bastards———- tie ‘em to the railway line just before the Gatwick Express is due!
London is rapidly becoming the stabbing capital of the world——— 68 and rising this year alone——- keep it up kids——- won’t be long before Detroit and Chicago will look like safe places to live compared to London. Guess there’s no codes of anything these days?
Days are long gone when you had a disagreement with someone———- off with the shirt——-fists up in the air——— a bloody nose or a black eye——— dispute settled ?
Theres talk that police officers will carry firearms——— we must be the last country left not to have armed police. Times, they are a changing, Dylan was right!

[jackiewilson]

Just to let you all know Vicky went down to theatre a couple of hours ago to have a pacemaker fitted,that’s all I can tell you————- for now. Give you an update once I’ve spoken with Mark.

[jackiewilson]

Tried to call Mark several times last night but without success——— if he was at the hospital, he would have his phone switched off of course.
Saw that he called me at 23:00 hrs last night———- I was hard and fast asleep by that time so I missed him.
Outcome of all this——- I have no news on Vicks condition.
Have an appointment of my own at Chichester’s St. Richards hospital 10:30am today, but I’m fit as a lop these days, no worries!
Bank holiday finally over——— things back to normal——- stabbings in Sheffield and Wolverhampton
500 illegal immigrants landed in Spain after their boat sank in the Mediterranean! You think you have trouble with the Mexicans ?
Its a funny old world !

[jackiewilson]

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All 485 feet of this thing turned up at Monte Carlo last weekend——— largest sailing ship in the world
its so FECKIN ugly it’s almost beautiful——— if the Russian peasants thought the czars were opulent spendthrifts——— wonder what they might think about this waste of time and money——— watch out, watch out there’s a revolution about!
Weekend left Liverpool supporters crying in their beer———- Ferrari let of the hook——— Froome won the Italian bike race but still accused of “doing an Armstrong “ ! No doubt about——- Sh-t sticks !
My Concept is coming along nicely——- I’m well pleased with it, so the next version should be “Acceptable”.
I know I’ve done a good job when either Roger Hinsdale or Rich Luhrs says “OK HOW MUCH”!

[jackiewilson]

Does anyone out there know of a capable HYDRAULIC engineer ?
Mark is in desperate need of someone to hook up the hydraulics on “MOONLIGHT LADY” —— 50’ high speed craft with a pair of 600 Cats .
Its been seven years in the making and just needs the hydraulics hooked up!
Ritchie Powers—— where are you when I need you?

[jackiewilson]

Got the all clear from the hospital——— gentle reduction from the steroids over the next few months and I’m back to normal ?
We had tropical downpours this morning, but the summer type weather is here to stay for the next month or so.
Nobody came forward with the name of a hydraulic engineer.
Boat is housed at Port St. Lucie. Probably a day’s work to get it all together——— c’mon guys——- there has to be somebody out there somewhere who can come to the rescue!

[jackiewilson]

Just spoke with Mark at the hospital——— he slept in the chair with Vicks for the last three days!
Pacemaker fitted successfully—— should be headed home anytime soon!
Wondered if Peter Unwin was over in the states next week——— now there’s a lad that knows hydraulics if anybody does !
Stressful times for the whole family——- but, if we pull together I’m sure we’ll make it through!

[jackiewilson]

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The bank holiday weekends effort———- forty foot tunnel with a pair of “BIG UNS”——- not for real though——- it’s just a “POKER RUN “ fun ——- next one up will be a more serious effort!
Same hull but with style, panache and character——— and four giggling prawns on the transom———-
Believe it’s based on a CRAIGSCRAFT——— look out for them——changes are coming in boat design, this is from the drawing board of one of the new young designers.
Roger——— if you want it, shout now, first one ever built——— as one of my oldest and original customers, along with Rich, I’m offering you first crack at it. As always, we can work out a settlement later.

[jackiewilson]

OK, so no takers! ——- slept like a baby last night——- when you’re told you’re good to go by the top doc——- it’s like somebody lifted the hump off your back !
The clown who said those immortal words——- LIFE BEGINS AT FORTY ! Never reached 86 I’ll bet.
Suddenly I got a lot of living to do——— starting with a lunch today with my friends Clive and Jane at the laughing Fish !
Time I was up and running———- things to do—— places to go and people to see !

[powerabout]

What hydraulics need to be hooked up?

[jackiewilson]

What hydraulics need to be hooked up?
Everything——— Arneson —— trims——Gyro——- thruster——Steering,- a pair of 600 Cats——- Everything is brand new. He has all the hoses and the swager
—— just needs a goood hydraulics engineer.

[bernie]

Does anyone out there know of a capable HYDRAULIC engineer ?
Mark is in desperate need of someone to hook up the hydraulics on “MOONLIGHT LADY” —— 50’ high speed craft with a pair of 600 Cats .
Its been seven years in the making and just needs the hydraulics hooked up!
Ritchie Powers—— where are you when I need you?

Jackie - sent a PM with a phone number - fellow in the Ft. Pierce area, super good with big stuff.

[jackiewilson]

Jackie - sent a PM with a phone number - fellow in the Ft. Pierce area, super good with big stuff.

Thanks Bernie—— I’m on it !

[jackiewilson]

Right Bernie——- forwarded the details of your man to Mark——— haven’t heard anything back yet!—— that’s not unusual——— kids are prone to not answering parents these days!
Toddled off to the car boot sale this morning———- been there all of ten minutes when God decided to take a leak——— the heavens opened and in no time flat there was water up To my fetlocks, had my old anorak with the hood which is suddenly no longer waterproof for a number of years——- time to replace it methinks! It’s not that I mind replacing it——— but everything waterproof these days has a designer label——— add a “Goretex” label to-a MUSTO or HENRI LLOYD waterproof ——- and suddenly your talking £200+
Where did they go ? All the good times! The flowers And the wine——- the young girls who loved me —- etc, etc, etc.
There is a huge increase in the number of flat bed trucks with “HIGHWAYS MAINTENANCE “ emblazoned across the back——- black and yellow four inch stripes on the tailgate, and a flashing yellow beacon on top of the crew cab. All arenew or near new———— turns out these are owned by the “Diddies” or Gypsies——- Romany’s if you like. Who would suspect a HIGHWAYS vehicle was casing your house——— the buggers can knock on any door —— offer any excuse, and their in. Be alert, it’s worse than the old tarmac scam!
Daughter Sams birthday today——- managed to pick up a couple of Lalique’s a super Jade vase and a Murano bluebottle—— all for under £35——God but I’m good——— got an eye like an eagle !

[ron54]

Jackie.. they are no more Romany than you or I....They are Pikies they contribute nothing and take everything.

Warn the less worldly residents in your locale....Any Transit less than 3 years old with a ball hitch on the back is to regarded with great suspicion.

[jackiewilson]

Jackie.. they are no more Romany than you or I....They are Pikies they contribute nothing and take everything.

Warn the less worldly residents in your locale....Any Transit less than 3 years old with a ball hitch on the back is to regarded with great suspicion.

Well phil, I was trying to be PC ———— PIKEY’S——— DIDDYCOYS——- THIEVING ROBBING BASTARDS———— it’s usually old and vulnerable people who they go for. They haven’t got the morals or the courage of a louse.

[ron54]

The Police over here are sh*t scared of them, Politician's who ultimately have the power to address the problem seem to ignore the existence of 'em..

The "Untouchables" didn't end with Elliot Ness.

Apparently the more enterprising elements of that society are spreading abroad, in particular to the more Pro Irish countries namely parts of Aus. and the wealthier states of the USA. It remains to be seen if the residents of those areas will be more appreciative of their "quaint Irish customs" than we are over here :(........rant over

[jackiewilson]

It’s suddenly dawned on the boat racing enthusiasts who were thinking of going to the F1 boat race at the London docks in June, that they may have to take out a second mortgage!
There will be no change out of £200 for an hotel room anywhere within a thirty mile radius of London!
Man and his wife and two kids entry fee—— Another £200.
Coachtrip from anywhere for the family Another £200 ———- six hundred quid down the pan and you haven’t even bought a packet of crisps and a bottle of water, let alone eaten out in a London greasy spoon yet ?

[jackiewilson]

Bernie———- Mark finally FaceTimed me this afternoon————-he had been without any sleep for sixtyhours ! Finally got Vicky home at19:00 Hours————- said he had never been so tired in his whole life. He slept for fourteen hours———- had a shower, went back to bed and slept for another twelve hours.
Turned off his mobile and didn’t take calls from anyone!
Ialways thought his business was situated in Port St Lucie————— it’s apparently in FORT PIERCE
how fortuitous is that———- promisedme he would call him today!
Big thank you Bernie——— I owe you one.

[jackiewilson]

Friday again—— 1st June already——- seems like only last week it was winter, her next to me woke up and thumped me on the arm shouting “Pinch, Punch, first of the month———- its a bit of a silly tradition we’ve had for the last twenty five years———— seeing who’s the first to remember!
Had intended to take a trip up to the smoke and view the London GP———- fortunately there’s a wedding in Bouzigues that I absolutely have to attend !
I have to tell you, I wouldn’t watch the Monaco F1 GP from the Casino Balcony at £50 a pop——- so I’m buggered if I would even consider paying that to watch a series that I actually founded all those years ago !
Ah well, time and tide wait for no man I suppose———- we’ve all moved on since then——- wonder how much faster an F1 boat is these days, since we all charged round a tight sixty second circuit at something in the region of 110 mph ——— the 100mph lap was achieved at quite a few places we raced at.
I know they have a lot of trick sh-t machinery these days——- but I also know, they just about stood still on boat design ? So just how quick is an F1 boat these days compared to thirty years ago?

[jackiewilson]

No comments on how much quicker today’s F1 boats are than yesteryears F1—— one thing I can tell you for a fact———— half the claims made about the speeds achieved were total bull sh-t.
I once asked a well known factory racer “what’s the top speed you saw today”? His answer was typical————“ Rev counter showed ten five, so it must have been a hundred and twenty five!”—————- “how come I finished in front of you and I only saw ninety five?
No doubt about it——- THEY WALK AMONGST US !​

[jackiewilson]

biggest gains are, in my opinion, props. you could ask mark cause he is more versed than i. data they have available today, would have been helpful (back in the day).
Always makes me laugh Jim when so called” TopNotch” racers start spouting on about their props——- props are not an exact science ——— never has been.
In fact many years ago Mark invested in a “State of The Art” ——- infra ultra sonic research de analytic machine——- cost over $50,000, but the industry indicated this was the only way to travel. Move on ten years I ask the boy—— “just how good is that analysing machine of yours ?” ——— no idea Dad—— never use it “ . “So why did you buy it” I asked?
First thing people like Ferretti, Azimat, Sunseeker ask is have you got the .,#=“,:; machine? . Tell “em yes of course we have, they’re happy!
But the problem with the machine is ———- it has no FEEL.
You can count on both hands the people who are good with props—— Mark works on all size props——- he has a matched pair of 60” six blades at the entrance to the prop shop !

[2us70]

Never understood props. The only success I ever had working on one was fabricating an exhaust tube on a hub less two blade. That was only to stop blowout and didn't make it any faster just more drivable. I tried beating on a few bronze props but usually made them worse. I was however always smart enough to leave my best props alone.

[jackiewilson]

not only (props are not an exact science), they have never been. i agree, feel is key, but there are a lot of drivers that do not have the same feel. that has always been the difference between winning and losing. with the data available today, i believe you can overcome some of that feel. the data i am speaking of is overlaying lap tracks, trim tracks, throttle tracks, etc. when i started 2 blade props were the only things available, now there are 3,4,5,6 blade props that are more efficient. nobody had the feel you and i had. after all, we ran the little molinari sprints and thought they were the best molinaris built.

Those little Molly’s were so FECKIN quick in their day Jim——- but like most good things there were “side effects “————- i always felt the sprint could bite me———- it never Did mind you, but it was so quick it made me nervous. Was running Lake Como one time ——- Renato has a brand new 1250BP on a 17’ ——— I had a 1000BP on a 15’ Sprint ———- I would pull up alongside Renato but I would not pass him ( it wasn’t written anywhere, and I had never been told———- you wanted a factory ride ! —— use a bit of Common!)
To this day——- I still think Renato was one of the best two Boat-racers in the world!
Best all round boat I ever ran was the 17’ Molinari————Mark reckons the best boat he ever ran was the small Seebold, ( I never ever even sat in one, so I can’t comment)
GG shipped my sprint back to Oshberg after I fell out with him at Windermere when” “SHAKEY” died.
Merton ran it in Havasu——— after that it wound up in Canada in the hands of Mark Rathamell.

[techteam]

What was your number at Windermere ?

[jackiewilson]

What was your number at Windermere ?


I have no idea———Sprint Black Molinari with white stripes, OI class with a 1000BP. Race went ahead as per schedule.I watched Shakey go under———was a practice session——-- boat just submarined. He was two boat lengths ahead on the inside——- . I just made sure I won the class——— it was a rough race———- water was too big for a sprint boat, and my heart wasn’t in it anyway. Boat had a hole in it and was taking on water so the team pulled it onto the dock. GG was spitting feathers and was not a happy bunny——— he told me I was off the team———- I told him to go buck a fuffalo——— so, you can understand why I don’t remember my boat number!

[Bob V]

What was your number at Windermere ?


I have no idea———Sprint Black Molinari with white stripes, OI class with a 1000BP. Race went ahead as per schedule.I watched Shakey go under———was a practice session——-- boat just submarined. He was two boat lengths ahead on the inside——- . I just made sure I won the class——— it was a rough race———- water was too big for a sprint boat, and my heart wasn’t in it anyway. Boat had a hole in it and was taking on water so the team pulled it onto the dock. GG was spitting feathers and was not a happy bunny——— he told me I was off the team———- I told him to go buck a fuffalo——— so, you can understand why I don’t remember my boat number!

Perhaps #8 ?

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[jackiewilson]

Coulda been——— was cold as charity that day——- wind blowing a hooley and raining ! Looks like I Was dressed for the occasion———— full wets!
I always had my own number at club level. (22) But for nationals and international events, you never knew what number you would be allocated.

[Bob V]

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[Bob V]

I always had my own number at club level. (22) But for nationals and international events, you never knew what number you would be allocated.

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[jackiewilson]

that don't look like the little sprint to me. also, it says on.

Look at the length of the cowling Jim ! Was meant to be 16’ But never quite made the length, exact measurement was 15’ 53/4”——- Course the Italians always used the metric system, so nothing was exactly what we thought it was———— my mistake——- it was ON and not OI. Two litres !

[jackiewilson]

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This was a great boat——- never quite knew where the speed came from————whether it was the motor or the boat————- Maybe Rolla did the business with the prop———always felt at home with this particular Molinari.

[jackiewilson]

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That was£30,000 of solid gold Trophy!

[jackiewilson]

Just got given all five FONDA FORMULA ONE NEWSLETTERS ——— My Daughter Sam collected them from Mark last time she visited.
Read them all through———- really interesting reading——— every detail on how it was conceived——- double dealing by UIM representatives, all sorts of things!
It's too much a part of racing history to be lost forever. So, I suggest——— if I send copies to Fujimo——— Tech team——-Azmidlyfe——-BobbyV——— Greg at Admin——— Rich Luhrs and Roger Hinsdale.
Surely one of them can printout every word on this thread ?
What do you think ?
If there’s anyone else out there who would like a copy of all five newsletters, call me, or ask through this thread.
Im fairly sure Willabee has them already!

[jackiewilson]

There should be some very interesting reading latter on today with all the Powerboat events in the USA taking place————- P1 ——-F1——— and the offshore stuff at the LAKE OF THE OZARKS.
Some pretty competitive racing all round.
Beautiful weather here today—— getting ready for Craig and Jess and the three boys who fly in mid week———- might get some quality time with them if I play my cards right.

[jackiewilson]

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These are the five Fonda newsletters I spoke of earlier———- number three has the letter from Msr Bladinaire confirming the Paris Six Hours race would be two litre maximum !
Confirms the fact Fonda was racing Formula one long before OMC got their OZ series up and running !
That was before the double dealing UIM and Rolf Frohling together with OMC, and Wim Ruberg, ( The Dutch UIM representative) and a barrow load of OMC cash connived, schemed, lied and cheated to take the title “formula one” .

[powerabout]

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These are the five Fonda newsletters I spoke of earlier———- number three has the letter from Msr Bladinaire confirming the Paris Six Hours race would be two litre maximum !
Confirms the fact Fonda was racing Formula one long before OMC got their OZ series up and running !
That was before the double dealing UIM and Rolf Frohling together with OMC, and Wim Ruberg, ( The Dutch UIM representative) and a barrow load of OMC cash connived, schemed, lied and cheated to take the title “formula one” .
You need to add some dates

[jackiewilson]

Looks like there’s been a bad accident at Jacksonville in the P1/s.
Tell you when I know more for certain.

[Bob V]

Looks like there’s been a bad accident at Jacksonville in the P1/s.
Tell you when I know more for certain.

Here is some new footage. One killed and three injured.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/breaking-jfrd-responding-to-overturned-boat-near-memorial-park

[jackiewilson]

Here is some new footage. One killed and three injured.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/breaking-jfrd-responding-to-overturned-boat-near-memorial-park

Many thanks for that Bob, There’s a block on all footage here in the UK.
None of my family are answering their cell phones———- 21 was Craig’s race number in the P1 series last year——— more once I’ve talked with them.

[jackiewilson]

Talked with Mark——- I have a lot clearer idea of what went on in Jacksonville——- butunable to comment at this time.
None of the boats have been impounded, and it’s been called “a racing accident” ——
Will leave a much depleted field for the next P1 race.

[powerabout]

Talked with Mark——- I have a lot clearer idea of what went on in Jacksonville——- butunable to comment at this time.
None of the boats have been impounded, and it’s been called “a racing accident” ——
Will leave a much depleted field for the next P1 race.
looks like the boat behind tapped the one in front causing it to turn in front of it?
Or the one in front had a major failure and turned left?

[jackiewilson]

looks like the boat behind tapped the one in front causing it to turn in front of it?
Or the one in front had a major failure and turned left?
There is some helicopter footage which Mark wants to see before making any comments.
Man who caused it was a rookie and paid the ultimate price. But that’s an interim judgement based on what footage there is available.
Niether boat was badly damaged—— co- pilot has a badly lacerated arm but if the hull had not been Carbon it could have been so much worse.
Afraid there will be calls for full safety canopy in the P1 class before long Pilgrim.

[powerabout]

single engine vee bottom in the rough, hardest boat to drive by far and at 70mph not a place for a rookie

[WaterZebra]

There is some helicopter footage which Mark wants to see before making any comments.
Man who caused it was a rookie and paid the ultimate price. But that’s an interim judgement based on what footage there is available.
Niether boat was badly damaged—— co- pilot has a badly lacerated arm but if the hull had not been Carbon it could have been so much worse.
Afraid there will be calls for full safety canopy in the P1 class before long Pilgrim.


First time I happened to see P1 racing on TV, I couldn't believe these individuals were racing "offshore" sized hulls using "pleasure boat - poker run" seats again. 70 mph or 170 mph, doesn't matter...something will happen eventually and it did. I was also startled to see these guys were racing close enough to trade paint in the turn pins. The accident made its way on to national TV news this weekend.

[Bob V]

looks like the boat behind tapped the one in front causing it to turn in front of it?
Or the one in front had a major failure and turned left?

I have blown the footage up and slowed it down and it appears that the outside boat made a hard left hand turn into the path of the inside boat. I can't believe that it was intentional which makes me think of mechanical failure. If there is aerial footage, it would answer all or most of the questions.

[jackiewilson]

First time I happened to see P1 racing on TV, I couldn't believe these individuals were racing "offshore" sized hulls using "pleasure boat - poker run" seats again. 70 mph or 170 mph, doesn't matter...something will happen eventually and it did. I was also startled to see these guys were racing close enough to trade paint in the turn pins. The accident made its way on to national TV news this weekend..
Craig fabricated a safety cell for the P1/s ——— the new carbon lightweight hulls are pushing the 80mph mark ——— this is 6/7 mph faster than last years boats!
Due to mitigating factors and costs——- it was put on hold until next season,

[jackiewilson]

I have blown the footage up and slowed it down and it appears that the outside boat made a hard left hand turn into the path of the inside boat. I can't believe that it was intentional which makes me think of mechanical failure. If there is aerial footage, it would answer all or most of the questions.
Would like to see that slo—mo Bob, eitherpost it, or failing that, send me a PMwith it included!
The 21 was Craig’s boat from last year and won seven races in his hands——— was in the hands of a rookie this year.?

[powerabout]

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Craig fabricated a safety cell for the P1/s ——— the new carbon lightweight hulls are pushing the 80mph mark ——— this is 6/7 mph faster than last years boats!
Due to mitigating factors and costs——- it was put on hold until next season,
just a roll bar would help?

[jackiewilson]

just a roll bar would help?.
Clutching at straws Pilgrim——— we all think we know what’s wanted——- but due to the nature of the beast, and this being Powerboat Racing, it’s not going to happen overnight!

[powerabout]

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Clutching at straws Pilgrim——— we all think we know what’s wanted——- but due to the nature of the beast, and this being Powerboat Racing, it’s not going to happen overnight!
roll bar could have happened overnight to help prevent skeg head

[jackiewilson]

roll bar could have happened overnight to help prevent skeg head
A step towards, maybe Pilgrim, but not the answer——— yes, I have seen them used and to good effect down under——— but notice, they only seem to be used on timed runs——- haven’t seen them in competitive multi boat racing, have you?

[jackiewilson]

Like I said—— capsule is already made——- they’re going into the next batch of P1/s. Scheduled for later in the year for export to the Far East.
Only ten boats in the USA series to cater for anyway !

[Bob V]

Would like to see that slo—mo Bob, eitherpost it, or failing that, send me a PMwith it included!
The 21 was Craig’s boat from last year and won seven races in his hands——— was in the hands of a rookie this year.?

Jackie - I wish I could send it to you, but because it is formatted, it will not allow me to send it other than it's original format. However, you can do it yourself - here's how....First enlarge it to full screen. If you have a desk top computer it will even be better. Then start the video and wait for any commercials to be over and then just before the crash, click on the pause button (the two vertical lines under the picture and to the left). Now gently move the slider button to the right and each time you do, it will be like a freeze frame or manual slow motion. The slider button is the circle or square that moves as the video is running.

Here is the link again so you don't have to go back and hunt it down: https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/jacksonville/breaking-jfrd-responding-to-overturned-boat-near-memorial-park

[jackiewilson]

I’m fast becoming a “GEEK”Bob——— took me a couple of go’s, but I nailed it in the end. Unfortunately it still is not abundantly clear exactly what happened——— definitely needs the helicopter footage to determine the sequence of events that led up to the tragedy. That’s if the cameras were filming the right boats at the right time.
Officials have confirmed it’s classed as a “RACING INCIDENT” —— so at the moment there’s no witch hunt!

[powerabout]

A step towards, maybe Pilgrim, but not the answer——— yes, I have seen them used and to good effect down under——— but notice, they only seem to be used on timed runs——- haven’t seen them in competitive multi boat racing, have you?
Texas Tri Hull uses them, boats going over each other all the time

[jackiewilson]

Texas Tri Hull uses them, boats going over each other all the time
Hell of a statement Pilgrim——- BOATS GOING OVER EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME——- is this a case of “Familiarity Breeding Contempt” ? Or Bumper Boat Racing,? Or Destruction Derby?
Must confess to not being Au Fait with a Texas Tri Hull——- But I will look it up on the dot dot!

[powerabout]

Hell of a statement Pilgrim——- BOATS GOING OVER EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME——- is this a case of “Familiarity Breeding Contempt” ? Or Bumper Boat Racing,? Or Destruction Derby?
Must confess to not being Au Fait with a Texas Tri Hull——- But I will look it up on the dot dot!
yes thats the type of racing it is so very entertaining.
Its an entry level class, everyone comes back to shore with a grin on their face. Must be best bang for your buck racing ever.
Engines are old xflow 140 omc's, 22" Merc chopper and they run claimer rules so engines are $2500 I think, if you spend more you risk losing it for $2500
If I could find a pile of old v4's I would start that class here.

[jackiewilson]

yes thats the type of racing it is so very entertaining.
Its an entry level class, everyone comes back to shore with a grin on their face. Must be best bang for your buck racing ever.
Engines are old xflow 140 omc's, 22" Merc chopper and they run claimer rules so engines are $2500 I think, if you spend more you risk losing it for $2500
If I could find a pile of old v4's I would start that class here.

My Sainted Mother used to say —- If you look long enough and hard enough you can find anything you want!
In every motorised sport there’s always a “Cheap as Chips” entry level class——— cars, motor bikes, boats, as well as sail boats, probably perambulators, go carts , frogs and turtles——- whatever the sport, few will survive and go on to be super competitive——— the way forward is always expensive and the old adage “DISCRETION IS THE BETTER PART OF VALOUR” taken into account.
Invariably the route we eventually choose is like the road to hell ( paved with good intention ) but , a few good men will make it.
Smart bit of all this, is keeping those few, as safe as possible in a highly dangerous sport. Do not expect any thanks or accolades for doing this—— because you will be disappointed—— it’s one of those things that are taken for granted, unnoticed when things are running smooth——- but when there’s a tragedy, watchout, Somebody will want to blame someone or something!

[powerabout]

the texas tri hull hit the nail on the head with a class for all.
raceable by beginner
low price to enter
hull and engine readily available
hasnt killed anyone
claimer class to prevent big dollar racing

any other class meet that in todays diminished racing environment?

[FUJIMO]

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=409306&d=1505701590

[FUJIMO]

http://images1.allboatlistings.com/nlarge/custom_166_21314648.jpg

[FUJIMO]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/91/db/c9/91dbc9eaacaa4b12eef88a7d98290b20.jpg...Look Familiar?...

[jackiewilson]

the texas tri hull hit the nail on the head with a class for all.
raceable by beginner
low price to enter
hull and engine readily available
hasnt killed anyone
claimer class to prevent big dollar

any other class meet that in todays diminished racing environment?

Boat racing has never been cheap, it’s simply a case of a 50hp Merc and a 15’ V bottom will always be cheaper than a VERADO on anything——- tunnel—— v bottom or one of yesterday’s boats!
Vintage boating (you don’t race a vintage craft) is one of the more expensive hobbies.
Thought you said engines were hard to find
Hasnt killed anyone ??? Maybe you should add “YET” to that caption!
Sorry, but if I worked hard to get my rig quicker than anyone else——— last thing in the world I want,is for someone with big bucks claiming it.
Niether you nor I know the exact reason for the decline in boat racing. You have your theory—— I have mine, but the days of 100 boats lining up for the start In places like Havasu—— Parker and Paris are long gone.
I understand on a poker run race——— there can be as many-as 200 applicants———— SHOW ME A .”CHEAP” poker.run rig ?

[jackiewilson]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/91/db/c9/91dbc9eaacaa4b12eef88a7d98290b20.jpg...Look Familiar?...
If that’s a Texas tri Hull——— then my dicks a bloater!——— Boston Whaler——— Dell Quay Dory—— A Boat by any other name, and all that jazz!

[jackiewilson]

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Now look what what I just found on the dot dot———— never mind the wing——— take a look at the
“TEXAS TRI” behind it——— maybe they’re obsolete already Pilgrim?

[powerabout]

They are still making a flop of the 166 glastron for the class and omc made a million v4's, ( wish they still did)

[jackiewilson]

They are still making a flop of the 166 glastron for the class and omc made a million v4's, ( wish they still did)
Cant imagine Glastron are making boats for the Texas Tri Series If they can be bought for $2500, complete with a V4 Rude ——— So OMC made a million V4/s ? Makes me wonder just how many in line sixes Mercury made? There always seemed to be at least five Mercs to every OMC V4
So just how much does a new Glastron 166 cost these days———- if the going price for a complete rig, is @$2500 , maybe the best way to acquire one is simply on the “Claimer” system !

[jackiewilson]

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Daughter Sam just sent me this———

[WaterZebra]

Boat racing has never been cheap, it’s simply a case of a 50hp Merc and a 15’ V bottom will always be cheaper than a VERADO on anything——- tunnel—— v bottom or one of yesterday’s boats!
Vintage boating (you don’t race a vintage craft) is one of the more expensive hobbies.
Thought you said engines were hard to find
Hasnt killed anyone ??? Maybe you should add “YET” to that caption!
Sorry, but if I worked hard to get my rig quicker than anyone else——— last thing in the world I want,is for someone with big bucks claiming it.
Niether you nor I know the exact reason for the decline in boat racing. You have your theory—— I have mine, but the days of 100 boats lining up for the start In places like Havasu—— Parker and Paris are long gone.
I understand on a poker run race——— there can be as many-as 200 applicants———— SHOW ME A .”CHEAP” poker.run rig ?

Texas Tri-Hulls are the only way to go. Cheap to acquire, trade paint on the race course and low tech motors. Boats are not fragile custom-built one-of-a-kinds. They are everywhere in the USA gathering moss under trees or lean-to sheds and usually with a V4 on the transom. Prices range from "free take-aways to about $2500. Roll cages are easy to build and install, not like these hyper-complicated F1 safety cells today. The whole idea behind the claimer concept (USA) was to keep somebody from investing a lot of $$$ to "buy" first place in every race. Chances are that if Texas Tri-Hulls really caught on, there still would be Havasu and Parker. Kinda like Mod VP but way cheaper. I noticed that the NGK series started for 2018 and they had a total of SIX boats for one of the heat qualifiers. I'm still betting my $$$ on Mercury stopping any production of S3000 powerheads, mids, gearcases and props for OPC altogether by 2019 (next year).

[FUJIMO]

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[FUJIMO]

If that’s a Texas tri Hull——— then my dicks a bloater!——— Boston Whaler——— Dell Quay Dory—— A Boat by any other name, and all that jazz!...Its the Glastron "hull" that the Texas Tri Hull race class, was taken from Jackie.

[jackiewilson]

...Its the Glastron "hull" that the Texas Tri Hull race class, was taken from Jackie.
I gather that several boatbuilders used the same drawings to produce a “Tri Hull”——- Same over here, one for all and all for one———- once you got a mould——- it’s like .shelling peas l
Boats made in a day—— popped , and another one the next day. A bucket full of resin ——- an armful of glass and bingo you got a Tri Hull or a dory or a 166 depending on mitigating circumstances.
Im a great believer in the “RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG”system———— handicap racing where everyone can join in the fun.
I love all Powerboat racing——— don’t always agree with the way it’s going——— one of the reasons I regularly fall out with drivers—— authorities—— format——- afraid my mouth gets me into trouble regularly.

[jackiewilson]

I think we all agree that boat racing needs a steroid injection————- the whole scene is becoming a joke. At the top of Offshore Racing there’s two contenders at the moment withprobably half a dozen at Key West———— with a bit of luck, calm conditions , there could be three finishers———- big FECKIN deal !
P1 was struggling to make its presence felt————- ten boats in all————- one on the trailer because they couldn’t find a driver———— just had the worst possible scenario with a rookie fatality —— that’s not going to help the cause!
Tim Seebold seems to be keeping the NGK series on a fairly even keel, but even the most ardent followers of F1 will admit to a shortage of numbers.
Really thought Caldwell could fill a gap——— turned out to be all smoke and mirrors——- huge horsepower numbers from beautiful pieces of kit that never materialised———— but the price tag puts it out of reach,
Anyway, if they ever did produce a couple of working motors,either Mercury or the ruling body would block it under some obscure law or other——— Mercury pulling the plug on the competition motors.
Yup, I’d have to say Powerboat Racing as we knew it——— is up sh-t creek without a paddle!
Maybe we should wipe the slate clean and start again———- Find a stretch of water——- Lake——river—- sea or ocean——— bring what you got——— run it till it stops. Miami Nassau——— Parker—— Havasu——- ozarks——- might be fun!
Cost is killing the sport, or at best, it’s not helping. When an F1 with a cell comes out at €100,000 and a top running Superboat comes out at a tad over a million———— not a lot of folk are coming out to play.

[jackiewilson]

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Just a little humour to end the day——— night - night all.

[Rotary John]

I gather that several boatbuilders used the same drawings to produce a “Tri Hull”——- Same over here, one for all and all for one———- once you got a mould——- it’s like .shelling peas l
Boats made in a day—— popped , and another one the next day. A bucket full of resin ——- an armful of glass and bingo you got a Tri Hull or a dory or a 166 depending on mitigating circumstances.
Im a great believer in the “RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG”system———— handicap racing where everyone can join in the fun.
I love all Powerboat racing——— don’t always agree with the way it’s going——— one of the reasons I regularly fall out with drivers—— authorities—— format——- afraid my mouth gets me into trouble regularly. For you to say you support run what you brung is about the biggest fanciest I've every heard from you.

[powerabout]

Cant imagine Glastron are making boats for the Texas Tri Series If they can be bought for $2500, complete with a V4 Rude ——— So OMC made a million V4/s ? Makes me wonder just how many in line sixes Mercury made? There always seemed to be at least five Mercs to every OMC V4
So just how much does a new Glastron 166 cost these days———- if the going price for a complete rig, is @$2500 , maybe the best way to acquire one is simply on the “Claimer” system !
The $2500 claim is just for the engine. but an original boat with a v4 is going to be very cheap

[jackiewilson]

For you to say you support run what you brung is about the biggest fanciest I've every heard from you.
Just goes to show you don’t take a lot of notice of what I say Pilgrim———- I started racing at club level and we raced everything that that turned up——— inboards, outboards from 18hpRudes to 70hp Mercs, Albatross——- Delta——- Fenn and Woods. If you hauled a boat up to Iver at the weekend—— you got to race it three times. Laps were just over a minute for a really quick boat, and they were twelve laps in a heat.
Had some of the best times of my life club racing. Would take the five kids and chuck em in the back of the van on a Friday after work——-hook up the boat and away.
Friends I made there sixty years ago, are still friends today.
Valleyfield and Parker were run on those lines——- just turn up and they would fit you in.
I never altered my mind on that view——-

[jackiewilson]

The $2500 claim is just for the engine. but an original boat with a v4 is going to be very cheap
No such thing as a free meal or cheap racing Pilgrim——— equipment may have a lower price tag, but if you have the desire to be a front runner, then you have to put TIME AND EFFORT into it.——- both of those commodities are costly.
Can see no sense in caring for a motor, nurturing, tuning,balancing——- spending time and effort and knowledge, go out and win the race, only for some joker with a fistful of dollars to come along and say “lIll take that”!
In the sixties, we used to run events with “Claimer” rules, but they were never popular with the drivers.

[powerabout]

No such thing as a free meal or cheap racing Pilgrim——— equipment may have a lower price tag, but if you have the desire to be a front runner, then you have to put TIME AND EFFORT into it.——- both of those commodities are costly.
Can see no sense in caring for a motor, nurturing, tuning,balancing——- spending time and effort and knowledge, go out and win the race, only for some joker with a fistful of dollars to come along and say “lIll take that”!
In the sixties, we used to run events with “Claimer” rules, but they were never popular with the drivers.
it all about the price, if I could find an old engine, rebuild for 1500 and be a front runner, I make a 1000 everytime a punter wants my engine

[jackiewilson]

it all about the price, if I could find an old engine, rebuild for 1500 and be a front runner, I make a 1000 everytime a punter wants my engine
Thats if you got the motor for free in the first place !, and had another in the shop that also cost you “NIXYPLONK”——- Sounds good in fiction——-but the reality is, in real life, everyone’s an Antiques Dealer and greedy! Nobody gives anything away these days———- even crap has a hefty price tag these days——- its a wicked old world out there Pilgrim! You should come with me on a Thursday or a Saturday morning to the car boot sale, most of the dealers imagine they have a stall in the west end of London inside Harrods.
There maybe thousands of tri hulls with a 140 Rude on its bum hidden away in barns - cellars and back yards, but when it comes to finding them, it’s a bit like searching for a Ferrari Dino or a Duesenburg—— rare as rocking horse sh-t.!

[olboatman]

Re scribe.....lost it somehow!

[jackiewilson]

Re scribe.....lost it somehow!

You lost me——- I lost it years ago, been looking ever since——- get in line with the rest of us.

[jackiewilson]

Just noticed that it was Rotory John who wrote me a post, not Powerabout——- how sad is that ? Many apologies Johnno——-when you and I “Get into it” you must know by now I’m only pulling your chain so to speak——— I’ve always had a sneaking admiration for what you did in the Outboard world with the Wankel——- course, I couldn’t ever admit to it ! THAT WOULD NOT BE PC.!

[jackiewilson]

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Offshore——- unlimited—— Superboat—— Poker run——— it’s anything you want it to be——— but nothing in particular——— took me best part of a week .
Most of all, it kept the little grey cells from closing down——— kept the arthritis at bay and stopped me moping aboutin in a chair, reading a damn book I have no interest in at all.
I spend enough time on the I pad already———- found out I can piss people right off, without even trying.
Have enough metal to build a battleship——- Grandson in law Gary ( GIECO )keeps me supplied with abrasive discs.
Can just about afford a few simple essentials in life, like Canadian Club and Jack Daniels and Tanqueray occasionally.
Good job I don’t have to rely on the sale of “Concepts” ——- I would be bloody thirsty if I did!

[jackiewilson]

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Man you should see the opium buds on these Tibetan poppies———have to hand it to her in charge of the garden———- she only grows the best ? Told her not to worry——- I’ll clear the dead heads ?

[jackiewilson]

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Same thing with her roses——— just have to work out how to bottle the scent these three centred beauties produce.

[jackiewilson]

Here ‘Tis again —- Thursday, and you should all know by now what happens on a Thursday———- never thought of myself as a creature of habit but———-, if the lord would only gea us the eyes to see ourselves as others see us !
It’s an old Scottish proverb attributed to Robbie Burns——— one of my sainted mothers more printable remarks!
Craig and Jess, together with the three boys are staying in Covent Garden
( centre of London) for three days——— I catch up with them on Saturday afternoon at a get together of the clans at the “TITCH” in Loxwood.
Gotta go, have to see a man about a dog——- sainted mother again !

[jackiewilson]

Happy Birthday Roger Hinsdale——— stalwart”OLD FART”. Collector of old boats and motors——- builder of old outboards——- he kept me going in Canadian Club for quite a while————- he has a fair number of my early concepts.
Have to tell you Rog, I’ve gotten a whole lot better since those early days !
No word from Pilgrim this morning——— don’t know if he’s under the weather, or simply pissed at me!
Dont remember saying anything controversial lately——— did put the idea of a roll bar on a P1 boat about——- answer I got was mainly SEX AND TRAVEL F—OFF!
Most thought it was a bloody silly idea and would compound the problem——- all agreed there has to be a safety cell in a P1 and pretty damn quick.
New composite Hull is seven miles an hour quicker than the old one ——— but drivers complained of the boat being ” SQUIRLY” —— so the motor was lowered to shade off some of the speed!
Expect to hear from”Powerabout” any time now !

[powerabout]

Happy Birthday Roger Hinsdale——— stalwart”OLD FART”. Collector of old boats and motors——- builder of old outboards——- he kept me going in Canadian Club for quite a while————- he has a fair number of my early concepts.
Have to tell you Rog, I’ve gotten a whole lot better since those early days !
No word from Pilgrim this morning——— don’t know if he’s under the weather, or simply pissed at me!
Dont remember saying anything controversial lately——— did put the idea of a roll bar on a P1 boat about——- answer I got was mainly SEX AND TRAVEL F—OFF!
Most thought it was a bloody silly idea and would compound the problem——- all agreed there has to be a safety cell in a P1 and pretty damn quick.
New composite Hull is seven miles an hour quicker than the old one ——— but drivers complained of the boat being ” SQUIRLY” —— so the motor was lowered to shade off some of the speed!
Expect to hear from”Powerabout” any time now !
The P1 boats are ugly now, how bad will they look with more mods.
never liked they run on the water with full length of hull planted as if they are bow heavy, stepped hulls , (yuk) and SOB, just the right combo for beginners, NOT!

[jackiewilson]

The P1 boats are ugly now, how bad will they look with more mods.
never liked they run on the water with full length of hull planted as if they are bow heavy, stepped hulls , (yuk) and SOB, just the right combo for beginners, NOT!
Agreed, on all points Pilgrim——- Designer had to be SUMO wrestler that had just lost heavily——-stepped hulls are the “IN” thing !——- there is no such thing as the “RIGHT COMBO” for beginners!
My son Mark was reminiscing on the fact he attended the funeral of seven drivers in one season——- most of them were Tunnel boat drivers with a top speed of less than 75 mph——- long before safety cells, canopies and seat belts were even a thought bubble !

[jackiewilson]

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grandson Gary Stray has just constructed this for the Smithsonian ——— I put my head in the oven, kitchen goddess reminded we are all electric——-and to get the hell out of her kitchen, Duh——Dingleberry!
Dont you just hate smartarsed relations—— WTF they just can’t do a simple day job like running the Gieco race team, and leave model making and concepts to old retired boat racers simply beggars belief !

[Bob V]

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He built you an new Cosworth engine for the tunnel...:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[jackiewilson]

I should be so lucky Bob——— that just is never going to happen—— prices for any of the Cosworth DFV—— DFX——- Have gone through the roof———- I’m resigned to the fact that a motor that is in the region of $100,000 is not going to happen in my lifetime !
I don’t know what the answer is———— unless we could locate one of the various engines that were sent over for the unlimited effort ——- even the one Bentz ran in the Miami Marine Stadium——— Or even one from the Cart series !
Rocking horse sh-t is in abundant supply compared to a Half tidy DFV ,

[Bob V]

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grandson Gary Stray has just constructed this for the Smithsonian ——— I put my head in the oven, kitchen goddess reminded we are all electric——-and to get the hell out of her kitchen, Duh——Dingleberry!
Dont you just hate smartarsed relations—— WTF they just can’t do a simple day job like running the Gieco race team, and leave model making and concepts to old retired boat racers simply beggars belief !

That would be a great engine in incorporate into a concept Hodges tunnel. You know...something like this one... I wish I could remember the drivers name, but it escapes me...:eek:

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[jackiewilson]

Funnily enough Bob——— I did a concept of this boat with a V8 Engine —— Mercruiser Alpha leg and a wing, on a four wheel trailer for Gary a couple of years ago !
Have been offered various engines at really advantageous prices ——— Ilmor——— Maserati—— American Ford——— and Ford Cologne. Problem is ——- nothing else will do——- it simply has to be the DFV.

[jackiewilson]

Been doing a few mods to the twin Outboard job————chopped the screen in half——— just didn’t sit right somehow!——- I like the Mount——- Just needs some graphics——- been years since I bought any Vinyl stick on letters and numbers, my etching leaves a lot to be desired, suppose I ought to practice some!
In the process of doing twin banks of four exhaust pipes for the Poker boat—— doesn’t mean to say they will actually make the boat———— I’m chucking more stuff away than I use these days—— must be getting fussy in my dotage.

[FUJIMO]

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[FUJIMO]

photos's so big I can tell what he set the timing at...

[FUJIMO]

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[jackiewilson]

Difference between “Ratbags” ( Gary Stray) working Tom Thumb sized motor and my agricultural “Concept” is—— his will be housed in the “SMITHSONIAN” for the next seven years and he won’t be able to touch it———- whilst mine, will be fully visible on the shelf in my workshop, and I get to work on it any time I like, before packing it away in a tea chest and retiring it to the garden shed where it will join the other hundred or so former creations including——-
MALIBUSTANG——— WILLABEE———- FIVE SAILBOATS———— !?!?!? Etc, etc, etc.
I know my place !

I cannot believe the dumb, mindless, stupid idiots that are amongst us pretending to be politicians !
They vote to put in a third runway at Heathrow——- that’s already a quart in a pint pot——— without thinking that people in London affected by the noise may be a tad pissed off. The moment they realise this,———— Er maybe I should vote against this ?——- the motion will be chucked out because the government will not have a majority———— all the millions they spent deciding Gatwick or Heathrow will be lost because of their stupidity———- it’s a no brainer ——— they should just have asked me.

Good morning everybody——- you all ready to face a brand new day?

[powerabout]

I thought people live near airports because they like planes?
They are so quiet these days they want more planes over them as they miss the noise of the Concorde and the Comet

[jackiewilson]

You better ask those that live there the question———- I’m a country boy, always have been——— neighbors are just people to fall out with ! last aeroplane I heard was weeks ago when I flew to Rome ! I don’t have any issues———- I just live well away from airports and flight paths. Having said that Pilgrim——— the Goodwood Spitfire has been up and away these last few days ——— but that’s different!

[powerabout]

You better ask those that live there the question———- I’m a country boy, always have been——— neighbors are just people to fall out with ! last aeroplane I heard was weeks ago when I flew to Rome ! I don’t have any issues———- I just live well away from airports and flight paths. Having said that Pilgrim——— the Goodwood Spitfire has been up and away these last few days ——— but that’s different!
every time a Rolls Merlin flys over it reminds me of unlimited hydros when they had pistons...
I guess i heard more of them in my youth than Mustangs, there wasnt a Spit flying in OZ then

[jackiewilson]

Last summer, they had a get together of all the Spits left in the world at Goodwood———- I think it was thirty two !
All but one were in the air at one time——— think I heard that around a hundred a week were produced during the war !
There is not another sound in the world like that of a Rolls Royce Merlin at WOT ——— some liken it to the Dinosaurs death rattle—————— don’t even ask Pilgrim!

[powerabout]

Last summer, they had a get together of all the Spits left in the world at Goodwood———- I think it was thirty two !
All but one were in the air at one time——— think I heard that around a hundred a week were produced during the war !
There is not another sound in the world like that of a Rolls Royce Merlin at WOT ——— some liken it to the Dinosaurs death rattle—————— don’t even ask Pilgrim!

There is a better sound....

[powerabout]

a Rolls Merlin in hydro at 4000rpm making 4000hp
( of course they have rods from an Allison 1710 to do that, sorry the Americans hot rodded them)

[jackiewilson]

I’ll give you that Pilgrim but the Americans had piss poor performance before we supplied them with Merlins

[jackiewilson]

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Had one of my. Mad fits of depress———Decided I needed to mount the two latest concepts on polished glass——— worked out ok ——- honing my etching skills !

[jackiewilson]

That’s me done for the day——— car boot in the morning——- catch up with Craig, Jesse and the boys tomorrow afternoon .
Then take it one step at a time———- I kept the weekend and Monday free, just in case.
Tuesday we’re on a plane to the south of France——— need a break doing nothing in particular, time to clear the old think box——feelishould change direction and do something new, but imbuggered if I know what !
When I get there I’ll let you know!

[powerabout]

I’ll give you that Pilgrim but the Americans had piss poor performance before we supplied them with Merlins
it was all from a mathematician / fluid mechanics guy that joined Rolls and said is that what you call a supercharger, how about design it like this..
Dr Stanley Hooker, genius.
They never looked back after he joined, until he retired and the RB211 bankrupted them so he came back and fixed that.

yes the narrow Vee water cooled is the engine for a fighter, the yanks did have more powerful engines like the PW2800 at 2000+HP but its huge.

[jackiewilson]

it was all from a mathematician / fluid mechanics guy that joined Rolls and said is that what you call a supercharger, how about design it like this..
Dr Stanley Hooker, genius.
They never looked back after he joined, until he retired and the RB211 bankrupted them so he came back and fixed that.

yes the narrow Vee water cooled is the engine for a fighter, the yanks did have more powerful engines like the PW2800 at 2000+HP but its huge.
Ask any fighter pilot in the USAir Force what he thought of a Rolls Merlin——— his answer will always be the same———— it made the Mustang into a fighter instead of a carrier pigeon——- in fact, rumour has it the P51 was quicker than the spitfire! ( but there’s no confirmation of that ).

[WaterZebra]

Ask any fighter pilot in the USAir Force what he thought of a Rolls Merlin——— his answer will always be the same———— it made the Mustang into a fighter instead of a carrier pigeon——- in fact, rumour has it the P51 was quicker than the spitfire! ( but there’s no confirmation of that ).

I always thought that the DeHav Mosquito was a hotter ship than the P51.............TWIN Merlins and the structure was primarily wood (like tunnel boats)!

[powerabout]

Ask any fighter pilot in the USAir Force what he thought of a Rolls Merlin——— his answer will always be the same———— it made the Mustang into a fighter instead of a carrier pigeon——- in fact, rumour has it the P51 was quicker than the spitfire! ( but there’s no confirmation of that ).
like a boat, it was a newer design so it outperformed the Spitfire but it was designed to do a different job so apples and oranges.

[FUJIMO]

like a boat, it was a newer design so it outperformed the Spitfire but it was designed to do a different job so apples and oranges.
...Kinda like some people comparing an Evinrude...to a Mercury...ridiculous! lol

[powerabout]

...Kinda like some people comparing an Evinrude...to a Mercury...ridiculous! lol
ha, got me...

[jackiewilson]

The Mosquito was one of the prettiest planes ever built——- but it was a TWIN engined FIGHTER/BOMBER.
The Yankee pump screwdriver was banned from the workshop floor——- it kept slipping out of the slotted screws of the day and punching holes in the plywood.
Just another piece of totally irrelevant and useless information———- we get a lot of that on the “TRICKS” site.

[WaterZebra]

The Mosquito was one of the prettiest planes ever built——- but it was a TWIN engined FIGHTER/BOMBER.
The Yankee pump screwdriver was banned from the workshop floor——- it kept slipping out of the slotted screws of the day and punching holes in the plywood.
Just another piece of totally irrelevant and useless information———- we get a lot of that on the “TRICKS” site.

Funny how screw heads have evolved since WWII.

Slots were replaced with cross / Phillips drive.
Phillips were replaced by square and Allen drive
Phillips, square and Allen drive were ultimately replaced by Torx drive.

When we got to Torx drive being commonplace for fastening, I went thru my garage / shop inventory and practically threw everything away that had slots.

I don't even remember the last time I drove a screw in by hand. It's all cordless lithium ion drill / driver tools these days...........

[powerabout]

Funny how screw heads have evolved since WWII.

Slots were replaced with cross / Phillips drive.
Phillips were replaced by square and Allen drive
Phillips, square and Allen drive were ultimately replaced by Torx drive.

When we got to Torx drive being commonplace for fastening, I went thru my garage / shop inventory and practically threw everything away that had slots.

I don't even remember the last time I drove a screw in by hand. It's all cordless lithium ion drill / driver tools these days...........
The poms where still using slotted screws in the 50's on jets. ( not to mention whitworth and BA)
Yanks had got smart and used posi drive as does Merc and OMC in lots of places

[jackiewilson]

Rest of the world learned and used the metric system———— where even simpletons think they’re Einstein’s, as everything’s divisible by ten, except the USA ? ——- Tell Me Pilgrim—— have they started using the metric system in the aircraft and automobile industry yet——- or they still got their heads buried in the sand!
Got lots to tell you, caught up with Craig and family——— suffered a family afternoon at the TITCH ——- leaving in a while to spend time with the three great grandsons——— all born in the USA!

[jackiewilson]

409625

Thats the eleven great grandkids———- got my own soccer team !—— and we had a TV.

[techteam]

Stanley Hookers book is a good read

Not much of an engineer.

[powerabout]

Rest of the world learned and used the metric system———— where even simpletons think they’re Einstein’s, as everything’s divisible by ten, except the USA ? ——- Tell Me Pilgrim—— have they started using the metric system in the aircraft and automobile industry yet——- or they still got their heads buried in the sand!
Got lots to tell you, caught up with Craig and family——— suffered a family afternoon at the TITCH ——- leaving in a while to spend time with the three great grandsons——— all born in the USA!
I grew up with both living half way between the UK and USA
I hate metric fasteners/sockets and their lack of standards to fudge things to fit, but love measuring things in metric when it suits.
piston clearance, thou
6 inches and a foot not 150 and 300mm
4 x 2 or 2 x 4 has the yanks call it
Tanks measurements and volumes, metric
weight, metric
pressure , imperial unless its something where bar makes sense
degrees, not radians
lph or US gph and UK gph
fuel still gets loaded in planes in either lbs or kg
I think Boeings are still 100% imperial

Merc and BRP have changed to metric on all new engines i am pretty sure
GM Ford etc I guess are fully changed
dont forget some shaft sizes have been metric all along as the bearings have been metric
Metric countrys havent won any wars and metric engines dont hold any speed records, is that still true?
Metric means socialism and imperial means freedom

[FUJIMO]

...You ever see the movie "Gremlins" Jackie? lol ...(in the movie, gremlins multiplied greatly, when they got wet)...Great photo.https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=409625&d=1528615403

[FUJIMO]

Funny how screw heads have evolved since WWII.

Slots were replaced with cross / Phillips drive.
Phillips were replaced by square and Allen drive
Phillips, square and Allen drive were ultimately replaced by Torx drive.

When we got to Torx drive being commonplace for fastening, I went thru my garage / shop inventory and practically threw everything away that had slots.

I don't even remember the last time I drove a screw in by hand. It's all cordless lithium ion drill / driver tools these days...........
...In the wood boat building world, the "Reed & Prince" silicone bronze wood screws were the next generation screws, that replaced the straight slot wood screws. They were a recessed cross head pattern that came to a point at the inside bottom, and could only be driven with Reed & Prince driver or bit. Very precise fitment & quality for the times. Mostly in the 40's through the 60's, at Chris*Craft, Owens, etc.http://www.reedandprince.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/1921-pc.png

[FUJIMO]

Philips versus Reed & Prince...http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vTNxO2zSeWg/VpV8w-IvN_I/AAAAAAAAHlE/jP8ek1CBxDc/s1600/reed%2Band%2Bprince.jpg

[FUJIMO]

I grew up with both living half way between the UK and USA
I hate metric fasteners/sockets and their lack of standards to fudge things to fit, but love measuring things in metric when it suits.
piston clearance, thou
6 inches and a foot not 150 and 300mm
4 x 2 or 2 x 4 has the yanks call it
Tanks measurements and volumes, metric
weight, metric
pressure , imperial unless its something where bar makes sense
degrees, not radians
lph or US gph and UK gph
fuel still gets loaded in planes in either lbs or kg
I think Boeings are still 100% imperial

Merc and BRP have changed to metric on all new engines i am pretty sure
GM Ford etc I guess are fully changed
dont forget some shaft sizes have been metric all along as the bearings have been metric
Metric countrys havent won any wars and metric engines dont hold any speed records, is that still true?
Metric means socialism and imperial means freedom
...After a disastrous World War 1 replacement equipment fitment & communications problem, the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) created a "standard" fastener sizing for everything mechanical, produced here in the U.S...mostly out of Detroit. Problem solved for everything manufactured for domestic use, and for going into World War ll. Not to mention standardizing all hydraulic hose sizes & hose end fittings, with "AN" flare angles, etc. AN means Army Navy. Everything in war then became "serviceable" & replacable.

[jackiewilson]

So—— just Where do “POSIDRIVES” fit into all this———— we still have PHILLIPS and POSIDRIVES to this day——— plus a couple of chinky Cross heads that doesn’t conform to anything except buggering up both bits as well as the guilty Screw!
Hexagonal screws, and threaded bolts have been tried without mega success———- every so often I come across. “A New Experience in fastening”. Which, unless you have the correct bit——— which is worn out and useless, long before you finished the box of screws.we are not going anywhere soon!

Anyway back to today and the Tricks I got up to ? Where to begin? I feel I must have done “FAMILY” days before in my life, but for the life in me, I can’t remember the last one. I’ve always been far to busy getting on with my own life to stop and jump the train of life for a “FAMILY” get together! Then one day in my eighty sixth year——- I did just that!
Was amazed to find I’d had five children——- who gave me eleven grandchildren——— who have produced eleven great grandchildren——- yes, I can tell you the name of each and every one of them, how crazy is that ?
I nearly did not go to the gathering at the TITCH———- but glad I did in the end!
So today I took a day off with the intention of spending some time with Craig———- I needed to know just what they were up to——— which way they were headed——- just how good they were in today’s world of carbons and composites———- itnever happened.
Ten hours on the beach, perfect summers day——- playing Boules, Cricket, American football——- hosepipe on full chat, soaking kids and adults all day long.
seven bottles of TATTINGER “ four bottles of MOËT and lots of red and white wine washed down the non stop supply of fodder for the family.
Never got my nap ——- or the Quality time I wanted with Craig———- Family time Took over the day.Tomorrow is Craigs last day before he heads back to Florida and I take off to the south of France——- so Monday is our last chance for a face to face.
Does it matter ? ——— probably not——— but once I’ve got a bee in my bonnet———— it’s like the crabs——— hard to get rid of.
So, there’s a thousand pictures of ALL members of the WILSON clan cavorting on the beach——- Craig took Simons shorts off him and ran down the beach with Simon in naked full flight——— don’t doubt the pictures will hit Facebook before the days out..
Came home exhausted——— happy——- disappointed—— wonder how many folk get a Family day in their life——- with everyone in one place at the same time.
Take a look at when you last did it ——— you may get a shock !

[jackiewilson]

...After a disastrous World War 1 replacement equipment fitment & communications problem, the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) created a "standard" fastener sizing for everything mechanical, produced here in the U.S...mostly out of Detroit. Problem solved for everything manufactured for domestic use, and for going into World War ll. Not to mention standardizing all hydraulic hose sizes & hose end fittings, with "AN" flare angles, etc. AN means Army Navy. Everything in war then became "serviceable" & replacable.

That-was all very well in the USA Fuji———- but the rest of the world is a big place——— Europe , except for England were using METRIC.

[FUJIMO]

...Europe , except for England were using METRIC. What was England using again, I forget?

[jackiewilson]

So—— just Where do “POSIDRIVES” fit into all this———— we still have PHILLIPS and POSIDRIVES to this day——— plus a couple of chinky Cross heads that doesn’t conform to anything except buggering up both bits as well as the guilty Screw!
Hexagonal screws, and threaded bolts have been tried without mega success———- every so often I come across. “A New Experience in fastening”. Which, unless you have the correct bit——— which is worn out and useless, long before you finished the box of screws.we are not going anywhere soon!

Anyway back to today and the Tricks I got up to ? Where to begin? I feel I must have done “FAMILY” days before in my life, but for the life in me, I can’t remember the last one. I’ve always been far to busy getting on with my own life to stop and jump the train of life for a “FAMILY” get together! Then one day in my eighty sixth year——- I did just that!
Was amazed to find I’d had five children——- who gave me eleven grandchildren——— who have produced eleven great grandchildren——- yes, I can tell you the name of each and every one of them, how crazy is that ?
I nearly did not go to the gathering at the TITCH———- but glad I did in the end!
So today I took a day off with the intention of spending some time with Craig———- I needed to know just what they were up to——— which way they were headed——- just how good they were in today’s world of carbons and composites———- itnever happened.
Ten hours on the beach, perfect summers day——- playing Boules, Cricket, American football——- hosepipe on full chat, soaking kids and adults all day long.
seven bottles of TATTINGER “ four bottles of MOËT and lots of red and white wine washed down the non stop supply of fodder for the family.
Never got my nap ——- or the Quality time I wanted with Craig———- Family time Took over the day.Tomorrow is Craigs last day before he heads back to Florida and I take off to the south of France——- so Monday is our last chance for a face to face.
Does it matter ? ——— probably not——— but once I’ve got a bee in my bonnet———— it’s like the crabs——— hard to get rid of.
So, there’s a thousand pictures of ALL members of the WILSON clan cavorting on the beach——- Craig took Simons shorts off him and ran down the beach with Simon in naked full flight——— don’t doubt the pictures will hit Facebook before the days out..
Came home exhausted——— happy——- disappointed—— wonder how many folk get a Family day in their life——- with everyone in one place at the same time.
Take a look at when you last did it ——— you may get a shock !

[powerabout]

...After a disastrous World War 1 replacement equipment fitment & communications problem, the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) created a "standard" fastener sizing for everything mechanical, produced here in the U.S...mostly out of Detroit. Problem solved for everything manufactured for domestic use, and for going into World War ll. Not to mention standardizing all hydraulic hose sizes & hose end fittings, with "AN" flare angles, etc. AN means Army Navy. Everything in war then became "serviceable" & replacable.

how do you explain AN, SAE and JIC hydraulic fittings?

[powerabout]

So—— just Where do “POSIDRIVES” fit into all this———— we still have PHILLIPS and POSIDRIVES to this day——— plus a couple of chinky Cross heads that doesn’t conform to anything except buggering up both bits as well as the guilty Screw!
Hexagonal screws, and threaded bolts have been tried without mega success———- every so often I come across. “A New Experience in fastening”. Which, unless you have the correct bit——— which is worn out and useless, long before you finished the box of screws.we are not going anywhere soon!

Anyway back to today and the Tricks I got up to ? Where to begin? I feel I must have done “FAMILY” days before in my life, but for the life in me, I can’t remember the last one. I’ve always been far to busy getting on with my own life to stop and jump the train of life for a “FAMILY” get together! Then one day in my eighty sixth year——- I did just that!
Was amazed to find I’d had five children——- who gave me eleven grandchildren——— who have produced eleven great grandchildren——- yes, I can tell you the name of each and every one of them, how crazy is that ?
I nearly did not go to the gathering at the TITCH———- but glad I did in the end!
So today I took a day off with the intention of spending some time with Craig———- I needed to know just what they were up to——— which way they were headed——- just how good they were in today’s world of carbons and composites———- itnever happened.
Ten hours on the beach, perfect summers day——- playing Boules, Cricket, American football——- hosepipe on full chat, soaking kids and adults all day long.
seven bottles of TATTINGER “ four bottles of MOËT and lots of red and white wine washed down the non stop supply of fodder for the family.
Never got my nap ——- or the Quality time I wanted with Craig———- Family time Took over the day.Tomorrow is Craigs last day before he heads back to Florida and I take off to the south of France——- so Monday is our last chance for a face to face.
Does it matter ? ——— probably not——— but once I’ve got a bee in my bonnet———— it’s like the crabs——— hard to get rid of.
So, there’s a thousand pictures of ALL members of the WILSON clan cavorting on the beach——- Craig took Simons shorts off him and ran down the beach with Simon in naked full flight——— don’t doubt the pictures will hit Facebook before the days out..
Came home exhausted——— happy——- disappointed—— wonder how many folk get a Family day in their life——- with everyone in one place at the same time.
Take a look at when you last did it ——— you may get a shock !
Phillips should be binned
posi everytime

[FUJIMO]

how do you explain AN, SAE and JIC hydraulic fittings?...I thought I already did. I covered that under "etc." lol :smiletest: ...SAE and JIC are simply the two different flare angles available in the AN fittings series, no matter what material they are made out of. Be it steel, aluminum, brass, nickle plated brass, etc. All available nowadays via Aeroquip(now Eaton-Aeroquip), Parker, Brasscraft, and many other manufactures.

[powerabout]

...I thought I already did. I covered that under "etc." lol :smiletest: ...SAE and JIC are simply the two different flare angles available in the AN fittings series, no matter what material they are made out of. Be it steel, aluminum, brass, nickle plated brass, etc. All available nowadays via Aeroquip(now Eaton-Aeroquip), Parker, Brasscraft, and many other manufactures.
I have never heard that AN is the standard and SAE and JIC are part of that?
JIC is part of the SAE standard.
AN only really exists in aircraft/military stuff and hence moved into hot rod stuff.
You never hear the term AN when dealing with hydraulic machinery anywhere in the world.
( metric hydraulic fittings are horrible and the way they do things, yes AN is the simplest system and would be great if that was the only standard)

[powerabout]

...I thought I already did. I covered that under "etc." lol :smiletest: ...SAE and JIC are simply the two different flare angles available in the AN fittings series, no matter what material they are made out of. Be it steel, aluminum, brass, nickle plated brass, etc. All available nowadays via Aeroquip(now Eaton-Aeroquip), Parker, Brasscraft, and many other manufactures.
I have never heard that AN is the standard and SAE and JIC are part of that?
AN only really exists in aircraft/military stuff and hence moved into hot rod stuff.
You never hear the term AN when dealing with hydraulic machinery anywhere in the world.

[powerabout]

Pozidrivhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Screw_Head_-_Pozidrive.svg/40px-Screw_Head_-_Pozidrive.svg.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Screw_Head_-_Pozidrive.svg)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Schnellbauschrauben_Pozidriv_IMGP0880.jpg/220px-Schnellbauschrauben_Pozidriv_IMGP0880.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Schnellbauschrauben_Pozidriv_IMGP0880.jpg)


Screws with the Pozidriv head.


The Pozidriv (sometimes incorrectly spelled "Pozidrive") is an improved version of the Phillips screw drive. It is designated "Type IA" by ANSI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI) standards.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#cite_note-ScrDrv-6)
The Pozidriv was patented by GKN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GKN) Screws and Fasteners in 1962.[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#cite_note-20)[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#cite_note-21) It was specifically designed to allow more torque to be applied and greater engagement than Phillips drives. As a result, the Pozidriv is less likely to cam out (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_out).[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#cite_note-Higgins-10)[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#cite_note-Phillips-22)[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#cite_note-23)[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#cite_note-24) It is similar to, and compatible with, the Supadriv screw drive.[25] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#cite_note-PoziSupa-25)
Pozidriv screwdrivers are often designated using the letters "PZ" followed by a size code of 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 (in order of increasing size).[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#cite_note-Higgins-10) The numbers do not necessarily correspond to nominal screw size numbers.
Pozidriv screws have a set of radial indentations (tick marks) set at 45° from the main cross recess on the head of the screw, which makes them visually distinct from Phillips screws.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#cite_note-Higgins-10)
While a Phillips screwdriver has angled (tapered) flanks, a pointed tip, and rounded corners, a Pozidriv screwdriver has straight-sided (square edge) flanks, a blunt tip, and additional smaller ribs at 45° to the main slots. The manufacturing process for Pozidriv screwdriver bits is therefore more complex than that for Phillips: while a Phillips screwdriver bit can be manufactured by cutting four simple slots, the Pozidriv screwdriver tip requires two machining processes at right angles for each slot.
Pozidriv and Phillips are broadly interchangeable, but may cause damage if incorrectly used. While Pozidriv screwdrivers fit Phillips screws, they may slip or tear out the Phillips screw head. Conversely, while Phillips screwdrivers will loosely fit and turn Pozidriv screws, they will cam out if enough torque is applied, potentially damaging the screw head or screwdriver.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#cite_note-Higgins-10)[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#cite_note-Phillips-22)

[powerabout]

https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/attachments/stock-problems-issues/19747d1175463610-posi-drive-not-phillips-phil2a.jpg

[jackiewilson]

https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/attachments/stock-problems-issues/19747d1175463610-posi-drive-not-phillips-phil2a.jpg

Well folks——- remember you heard it on this show first——-everything you ever wanted to know about screws !
You have to admit, we do have contributors with a vast amount of knowledge in worldly matters——- when Fujimo and the Pilgrim get into it, better watch out ! Sparks can fly.
I reckon Powerabout has shares in POSIDRIV , but it’s all good clean fun.

[powerabout]

The world would be a better place if phillips screws and the screwdrivers disappeared

[jackiewilson]

The world would be a better place if phillips screws disappeared

Now that’s not very nice is it Pilgrim?—— next you’ll be wanting hookers, priests,viagra and Jonrudes to disappear——— world might be a better place without them——- but somebody somewhere would miss them madly!

[powerabout]

Now that’s not very nice is it Pilgrim?—— next you’ll be wanting hookers, priests,viagra and Jonrudes to disappear——— world might be a better place without them——- but somebody somewhere would miss them madly!
once you've gone pozi you would never go back
I think the reed and main bearing blocks in inline Mercs are pozi, cant quite remember?

[FUJIMO]

The world would be a better place if phillips screws and the screwdrivers disappeared
They have their place, but have to agree, they have been surpassed over time with much better variations of the same theme.

[FUJIMO]

Metric hydraulic fittings are horrible and the way they do things, yes AN is the simplest system and would be great if that was the only standard.
...SAE Society of Automotive Engineer standardization has been expanded greatly around the world nowadays. Its grown to include 80 different countries, just in the last 20 years or so. It just might become the world standard looking forward.

[FUJIMO]

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=409352&d=1528234741

[jackiewilson]

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/06/d9/32/59/titchfield-mill-pub.jpg...the ''Titch"...The Titchfield Mill Pub...

NO NO NO NO NO FUJI, ITS THE “SIR ROGER TITCHBOURNE “ at Loxwood———- a much older pub than the Tittchfield Mill! ——- that’s characterless compared to the TITCH atLoxwood.

[FUJIMO]

Surprised you fancy that ole' pub Sir Jocko. The blote had a reputation lower than slime I tell you. Drowned at sea whilst attempting to escape to the New World. This just after denying his gravely ill dying wife he would not grant her, her dying wish of giving some corn & land to the local poor...telling her he would give them as much land as she could crawl around, while he held the torch in the dark for her to see. Ebenezer through & through, and came from a wealthy family. http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/20/92/2209281_e0d89162.jpg

[FUJIMO]

https://quickbitemagazine.co.uk/images/uploads/news-features/_800w/sir-roger.jpg

[FUJIMO]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-i7p3Db-cwYI/TlaLvkS8t_I/AAAAAAAAJtE/__biB1fMbyk/s1600/SBP17+024.jpg

[FUJIMO]

before it was "rediscovered"...http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/surrey/pics/alfold_sirrogertichborne.jpg

[FUJIMO]

...and before that...http://www.house-history-research.co.uk/sir-roger-tichborne.jpg

[FUJIMO]

https://www.eclipsedigitalmedia.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/eclipse-digital-media-digital-signage-solutions-the-sir-roger-tichborne-samsung-smart-signage-platform-soc-specials-board-portrait-bar-1.jpg

[FUJIMO]

looks ok to me, lol...https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/06/ac/63/1a/sir-roger-tichborne.jpg

[FUJIMO]

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0a/cb/fc/63/photo2jpg.jpg

[FUJIMO]

https://www.eclipsedigitalmedia.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/eclipse-digital-media-digital-signage-solutions-the-sir-roger-tichborne-samsung-smart-signage-platform-soc-specials-board-portrait-bar.jpg

[FUJIMO]

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/05/5f/ce/d8/sir-roger-tichborne.jpg

[FUJIMO]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/02/0d/58/020d58f817abb75f2f7648c037b19481.jpg

[FUJIMO]

theres one of my damn favorites again, roast beef & Yorkshire pudding. Love it. https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0a/cb/fc/62/photo1jpg.jpg

[jackiewilson]

Ok smartie pants where mein host George?

[FUJIMO]

thin chap, big ears, lots of earings in his ears, kinda looks like an elf, always wears a all black(Mercury) polo collar shirt?

[jackiewilson]

thin chap, big ears, lots of earings in his ears, kinda looks like an elf, always wears a all black(Mercury) polo collar shirt?

JOHNNY CASH?——— GARY PLAYER?——— REGGIE FOUNTAIN..——- JACK SPARROW .? BERT THE SQUIRT —-? Nah——— you got Me Fuji ———- George, landlord at the ”TITCH “ looks nothing like that.
Youll have to look deeper into the crystal ball . Or guess better!

[FUJIMO]

Hmmmm...All I remember was the men's room there... http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/08/4f/5b/f3/photo3jpg.jpg

[FUJIMO]

...and the food was devine...https://eco.his-j.com/images/ecoTours/20170120185110.jpg

[FUJIMO]

...ah yes, as described...https://www.eclipsedigitalmedia.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/eclipse-digital-media-digital-signage-solutions-the-sir-roger-tichborne-samsung-smart-signage-platform-soc-and-ipad-specials-boards.jpg

[jackiewilson]

Hmmmm...All I remember was the men's room there... http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/08/4f/5b/f3/photo3jpg.jpg

Yup, it’s a friendly room ——— where one can offer a helping hand should the need arise !
Is this a first on S&F——— I mean the gentleman’s “.PISSOIR “ ?

[FUJIMO]

Yup, it’s a friendly room ——— where one can offer a helping hand should the need arise !
Is this a first on S&F——— I mean the gentleman’s “.PISSOIR “ ?
...You saw it first..."here" Sir Jackie! This is the actual "urine-all" at the Sir Roger Tichborne Pub. What? You don't recognize them?

[jackiewilson]

...and the food was devine...https://eco.his-j.com/images/ecoTours/20170120185110.jpg

Duck breast wit Asparagus?

[FUJIMO]

Duck breast wit Asparagus?
The duck looks incredible. Have it served out on the veranda... https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/05/ef/81/ce/sir-roger-tichborne.jpg

[FUJIMO]

...or the yard...https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0b/87/32/e2/photo0jpg.jpg

[FUJIMO]

dicisions - decisions - https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/05/5b/1d/f5/sir-roger-tichborne.jpg

[FUJIMO]

Think I will go prepare my own fantastic dinner now. Thanks for the ideas. :thumbsup:

[jackiewilson]

...You saw it first..."here" Sir Jackie! This is the actual "urine-all" at the Sir Roger Tichborne Pub. What? You don't recognize them?
Now Fugi——- as you get to know me better———- it will become quite apparent that I bo not,( and never have) frequented pub pisseries

[jackiewilson]

dicisions - decisions - https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/05/5b/1d/f5/sir-roger-tichborne.jpg

Belly Pork with crackling and Apple sauce with Ardeche smooth pate ?

[jackiewilson]

Surprised you fancy that ole' pub Sir Jocko. The blote had a reputation lower than slime I tell you. Drowned at sea whilst attempting to escape to the New World. This just after denying his gravely ill dying wife he would not grant her, her dying wish of giving some corn & land to the local poor...telling her he would give them as much land as she could crawl around, while he held the torch in the dark for her to see. Ebenezer through & through, and came from a wealthy family. http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/20/92/2209281_e0d89162.jpg


Alll lies——- spread by the well known highwayman Dick Turpin who was landlord at the now defunct “DOG AND VOMIT” just down the road at Wisborough Green.
Sir Roger was well loved by the local community and is well known for his gentle handling of females in the district——— I understand he was of Welsh origin and kept a pair of ewestethered to a lamp post in the back yard. Do believe He travelled to the new world tospread his doctrines.
Thats me done for the day——- spent it all with Craig and family—— marvellous day!

[jackiewilson]

Craig told me that after the final race in the P1 series on the 4th of July———- all P1 boats are to befitted with safety cells——— Craig designed and built the cell over a year ago, mitigating circumstances prevented it being used this season, but from the Fourth of July on, all P1 boats will have cells!
Dave Parkinson called me to say he couldn’t make the London Docks Race———— told him Niether could I, I had a wedding to attend in France——— hadn’t been invited anyway, and no bloody way was I paying the hundred quid entry fee.
Told me just how “ unhelpful” the RYA and UIM had been in getting the race organised. No different than it’s always been———— whoever gives the biggest backhander gets their support!
A few of the old racers are trying to put a demo race on in Bristol during August this year——— RYA are blocking them at every move——— welcome to the real world——— it's always been like this!
If it’s not rag and stick (sailing ) the RYA do not want to know———- but they’re happy to take Powerboat licence and membership fees and then do bugger all to justify it.
Its only now that people are realising what a mammoth task it was to start a world wide Fonda series, the first ever series to go worldwide———— and just two people did that——- Me and Parkinson. Not with the help of the UIM——- but in spite of them.
After they saw how successful it had become The UIM wanted in——- Rolf Frohling managed to wheedle the F1 title from Fonda and hand it to OMC.
There was just as much deep and devious shenanigans going on those days as there is today.
Charlie Strang flew Parky Over To the states and offered him a job——-he turned it down!
Thats it for a while—— leaving for the airport—— get back to you SAP.

[powerabout]

I thought the offshore guys had already left the RYA?
Circuit about to follow?

[FUJIMO]

Ask Mark why the safety cells that Ted Jones back in 1987-88(ish) developed for this same size class of offshore V-bottoms, were never utilized? Ted spent a lot of time and energy designing, financing, building, promoting, and himself...actually racing...this developed cell. It always takes a catastrophic, multi-death(not just one death) circumstance, to rush in a "new" mandatory solution. Same with the canopies mandated in offshore & cells in tunnels years ago. Coincidentally, it seems to always rear it ugly head not long after a newer design hull comes into popularity. Personally, I've never liked the P1 hull "Design"(not the build quality) and how it performs. Nothing to do with the power or rigging. But that's just my opinion. And you know what they say about opinions.

[powerabout]

The P1 just doesnt look right when it either moving or stopped.

[ron54]

Jackie... Where did you see/read/hear about the proposed August do in Bristol Docks....phill.

[jackiewilson]

Jackie... Where did you see/read/hear about the proposed August do in Bristol Docks....phill.
Parkinson told me———— Steve Kerton and co. RYA being super sh-tty in cooperation!
No Internet for miles——— talk amongst yourselves!

[jackiewilson]

Ask Mark why the safety cells that Ted Jones back in 1987-88(ish) developed for this same size class of offshore V-bottoms, were never utilized? Ted spent a lot of time and energy designing, financing, building, promoting, and himself...actually racing...this developed cell. It always takes a catastrophic, multi-death(not just one death) circumstance, to rush in a "new" mandatory solution. Same with the canopies mandated in offshore & cells in tunnels years ago. Coincidentally, it seems to always rear it ugly head not long after a newer design hull comes into popularity. Personally, I've never liked the P1 hull "Design"(not the build quality) and how it performs. Nothing to do with the power or rigging. But that's just my opinion. And you know what they say about opinions.stack of assholes I agree !

[jackiewilson]

The P1 just doesnt look right when it either moving or stopped.
Ugliest feckin craft I ever saw——- anyone know who the imaginator was

[Bob V]

No Internet for miles——— talk amongst yourselves!

Jackie - I have told you before that you are the catalyst that keeps "Tricks" alive and well. When you go out of internet range, all of us "peeps" go into hibernation. Tricks has over half a million hits...you must be doing something right....:thumbsup:

[ron54]

Can someone brighter than me post up the footage of the "Jaguar Electric Powerboat" its on the Pistonheads forum but I it's on U-Tube as well.

I would imagine it would look/sound like a big R/C model but it may of interest.....Phill.

[jackiewilson]

Four U2/s and a squirt——-sounds like a wet fart Phill
Using my I phone !

[AZMIDLYF]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=690QkOysBBA

[ron54]

Thank you for your efforts.AZM....All I have is a black rectangle or is it just me?............

[jackiewilson]

25 years ago Kevin Desmond invited me to join his “Electric Record Attempt “—— I never ever thought that they were cApable of even 60 mph.-___
I have been known to make the wrong call now and again!

Congrats and well done to Peter Dredge and his team.

[olboatman]

Thank you for your efforts.AZM....All I have is a black rectangle or is it just me?............

Me Too!

[Bob V]

Thank you for your efforts.AZM....All I have is a black rectangle or is it just me?............


Me Too!

That is strange. The video loads perfectly for me.

[powerabout]

A brit owns some electric hydro record at over 100mph

[jackiewilson]

Don’t worry about it Bob——-
Phill puts three sugars in his tea, doesn’t stir it, then complains it doesn’t taste sweet.
You have to experience a three day French wedding (south Carolina bride, and a French groom) ! Believe me it’s an event you will remember all the days of your life.
Day one started off with a boat trip through SETE—— (the only way to do it) it’s like Venice but nice.
Big drinks and then an oyster festival in the evening accompanied by unlimited drinking and eating,
Wine, Whisky and water, all served in the grooms mothers oyster
shed. I left before midnight—— had more than my fair share of BUSHMILLS, oysters taste better with malt whisky.
Wedding today——- day two of the festivities. Still no internet so doing this on my iPhone—— problem is—- my podgy fingers——
Thats
it? I have to leave for a wedding.

[Bob V]

A brit owns some electric hydro record at over 100mph

I went back and looked and you are correct. It appears that Michael Bontoft set the world speed record for an electric powered boat on December 10, 2008 at 98.8 mph. So why is the Jaguar crew claiming a world record at 88.6 mph ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yNu2_LlO9s

[FUJIMO]

Maybe its a record for an electric motor powered boat, that can sound like any kind of turbine or jet engine sound effect of your choice, like in the video?

[Onetime]

To funny but I have to agree on the sound in the video. Like some of the new cars that have performance exhaust sound comng through the cars stereo.

[FUJIMO]

and the movies using outboard boats with inboard sound effects. the latest one that comes to mind, was in the "Italian Job".

[jackiewilson]

410224

Spmething i did over 10 years ago.

BIRTH OF A RACE.

[jackiewilson]

Lady who owns the house we’re staying in, commissioned me to do a piece right off the top of my head
“BIRTH OF A RACE” was one of the first efforts.
Over 100 people were at wedding ceremony in the town hall- then we were transported to the ruined abbey St. Felix De Montceau at Gigean. It’s been deserted for 500 years———doesn’t have a roof but the acoustics are superb——- loads of concerts and classical events held there. Big eats and lots of wine.
Then onto the vineyards of Domaine St.Andre on the Route De Marseillan —— very celubrious setting,
North Carolina relatives held their own until 10:30pm then began to flag a little—— first course of a five course meal was served at 23:00 hrs———- cheeses were served at midnight—— by this time I was on my knees——— threw in the towel around 12:30 and headed home——-end of day two—— justone more day!

[jackiewilson]

Yup—— it’s all over ! The three day wedding of a Frenchman and a girl from south Carolina is finally over and done.
Midday Sunday was the start of a Bar b que for 100 guests ——— red, white and rose, beer and spirits flowing like niagara ———— more food than you could imagine.
Marquee in the back garden ——- 80 degrees with a breeze coming in off the Med. Perfect conditions.
We were out of there by 4:30.
Had enough of weddings to last me a lifetime———
Just found out I can piggyback my iPhone using its Wi Fi, Ok, so I will never be a geek——- but I never forget a trick!
Get back to you and will answer some of your comments soon.

[jackiewilson]

I went back and looked and you are correct. It appears that Michael Bontoft set the world speed record for an electric powered boat on December 10, 2008 at 98.8 mph. So why is the Jaguar crew claiming a world record at 88.6 mph ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yNu2_LlO9s

Sponsors like the sound of WORLD RECORD——— so no doubt the term was used to impress——— if there are questions asked they will deny any knowledge of previous records.
After all, there’s nobody quite as “deep and devious” as a a boat racer!

[techteam]

Much like everything else I think the electric records are divided into classes, I think by voltage, 48v 72v 144v and there is an unlimited which Jaguar Vector has beaten. Mike Bontoft was 144v class but I suppose either his license or something else stopped him from claiming outright. Records require a modicum of intelligence and plenty of people go for the low hanging fruit as such. Why try and beat a high speed record when you can easily surpass a record established when the technology was in its infancy or nobody else was bothered. Not to take anything away but all the existing records were established with early technology on very limited budgets by enthusiasts trying to forge a path. I dread to think what Jaguar Vector has spent to go what is still a relatively modest speed but I hear they are trying again later in the year at records week.

[powerabout]

I think the electric train record is more interesting

[Bob V]

I think the electric train record is more interesting

I have mine lined up and ready for the record attempt...:eek:

410406

[ron54]

Looking good Bob, I'm glad I introduced the electric theme.. it's dragged.. err I mean extended the thread by an extra 17 post's.

I'll think of something else while ees not around:rolleyes:

[powerabout]

Cheapest way to make electricity is with coal, I see your already on to that..

[jackiewilson]

C’mon guys——- you’re supposed to talk boats, not TGV’s and Bullets—— been on both and can tell you they are impressive!

[powerabout]

how about fastest outboard on kerosene? E-tec
fastest outboard on diesel - Merc

[ron54]

When we signed on you said we could talk about any-ting......What news of the London Race it's only up the road from you..Will you be allowed to go next year ;)..

[lars strom]

A Swede ownes London F1 GP today..!!..:)


http://svera.se/blogg/finally-a-uim-f1-race-the-way-i-love-it/ (http://svera.se/blogg/finally-a-uim-f1-race-the-way-i-love-it/)

[WaterZebra]

Much like everything else I think the electric records are divided into classes, I think by voltage, 48v 72v 144v and there is an unlimited which Jaguar Vector has beaten. Mike Bontoft was 144v class but I suppose either his license or something else stopped him from claiming outright. Records require a modicum of intelligence and plenty of people go for the low hanging fruit as such. Why try and beat a high speed record when you can easily surpass a record established when the technology was in its infancy or nobody else was bothered. Not to take anything away but all the existing records were established with early technology on very limited budgets by enthusiasts trying to forge a path. I dread to think what Jaguar Vector has spent to go what is still a relatively modest speed but I hear they are trying again later in the year at records week.

Last time I paid any attention to electric records was when a guy had a bunch of car batteries stuffed into a D stock hydro and the "powerhead" was a lift truck motor. Things have really changed..........look at the building trades guys..........nobody uses AC power anymore......all cordless lithium ion power and the delivery voltage is going up to 80VDC from a humble 12VDC where it started. It's the cycle depth that's the challenge. Nobody has mastered the range problem yet. I don't think you have to worry about an electric F1 race happening for a while yet. Is the Jaguar hull a DAC they got from somebody?

[ron54]

Thanks for the details Lasse.....I was just trying to wind him up a bit...He's had an easy time of it recently, fancy food...pretty girls ...fine wine..

Need to bring him down to earth...Lol

[jackiewilson]

When we signed on you said we could talk about any-ting......What news of the London Race it's only up the road from you..Will you be allowed to go next year ;)..

Ok so I said “Talk amongst yourselves”!———- if you read any of my earlier emails this week, you would know that I’m a thousand miles south of London Docks.
Looked like there weren’t many spectators——— at £50 a pop they weren’t exactly going to rush out and fill the non existent seats!
Saw a bunch of old timers reminiscing on the “old days”

[techteam]

how about fastest outboard on kerosene? E-tec
fastest outboard on diesel - Merc

On Kerosene would say it's the Merc JP optimax, only sold to the US military I think.

[jackiewilson]

A Swede ownes London F1 GP today..!!..:)


http://svera.se/blogg/finally-a-uim-f1-race-the-way-i-love-it/ (http://svera.se/blogg/finally-a-uim-f1-race-the-way-i-love-it/)

If I remember rightly Lassie, there has always been a few good Swedish boat racers in the top flight!
Where there were motor powered sports, there were Swedes!
Remind me of the time Billy raced the worthless big Merc——- on his own against fourteen V8 Omc’s
er . Who won ?
OMC May have been “AHEAD OF ITS TIME” with the V8 thirty years ago——— didn’t stop them going “TITS UP” and into obscurity!
Don’t see many RUDES flying the competition flag these days?
As the old saying goes —- One swallow don’t make a summer”—————- to be competitive——- you have to be there !
What was it Bob and Bing used to sing———— THANKS, FOR THE MEMORY———- Welcome to today’s world Lassie———— the world of Mercury——- Outboard and Inboard ——- a bit shaky, but alive and well.
Daughter Kim says AKERS drove the race really well and deserved the win!

[jackiewilson]

Living in my village —- Bouzigues——- is a Swede, Michael who just happens to race vintage autos—— it’s a Rotary Mazda RX7-78 with a 12A dry sump. Full group 2 spec—— he really pisses off the establishment by continuously winning——— told me he’s pulling 500 hp. What do you think Johnno?

[jackiewilson]

Last time I paid any attention to electric records was when a guy had a bunch of car batteries stuffed into a D stock hydro and the "powerhead" was a lift truck motor. Things have really changed..........look at the building trades guys..........nobody uses AC power anymore......all cordless lithium ion power and the delivery voltage is going up to 80VDC from a humble 12VDC where it started. It's the cycle depth that's the challenge. Nobody has mastered the range problem yet. I don't think you have to worry about an electric F1 race happening for a while yet. Is the Jaguar hull a DAC they got from somebody?

Price of a DAC today is €130,000—— big chunk out of a budget——- When you can buy A full carbon Seebold for $25,000.

[powerabout]

On Kerosene would say it's the Merc JP optimax, only sold to the US military I think.
the etec work well with kerosene because of the etec injector, the military also use them
on diesel they are not great due to the carbon

[WaterZebra]

Price of a DAC today is €130,000—— big chunk out of a budget——- When you can buy A full carbon Seebold for $25,000.

Unless you have a highly talented CPA who is familiar with tax laws (business cost, depreciation etc) the cost of any race boat these days is not worth the money. DAC or Seebold, it doesn't matter. I unloaded all of my F1 stuff 8 years ago for 10% of what I paid for it. I was glad to get what I got for everything. Seebold composite price in 1990 was $9500...........Custom built Hoffman in 1995 was $10,500. DAC @ $130K or Seebold @ $25K? I don't think so.

[jackiewilson]

Unless you have a highly talented CPA who is familiar with tax laws (business cost, depreciation etc) the cost of any race boat these days is not worth the money. DAC or Seebold, it doesn't matter. I unloaded all of my F1 stuff 8 years ago for 10% of what I paid for it. I was glad to get what I got for everything. Seebold composite price in 1990 was $9500...........Custom built Hoffman in 1995 was $10,500. DAC @ $130K or Seebold @ $25K? I don't think so.

Its the way of the world my friend——— who would have thought that an Outboard “Poker run” rig
would cost over a million?——— I am still remember my daughter Sam getting £500 sponsorship to do a season’s junior racing—— we thought we’d hit the big time!
Told Hodges I wouldn’t be buying any more boats when he hiked the price to £3,000 !

[jackiewilson]

Get pig sick of folks who tell you ——- IM SITTING IN THE AIRPORT AT —————???? Hate to tell you this, but I’m at Montpellier airport which has had at least forty zillion euro’s spent on upgrades in the last ten years.
Its every airport in the world——- whether its Oshkosh or Carcasonne, obscene amounts of money have been spent on marble floors and scent and booze shops, dustbin like robots that read your flight details and passports, but can’t get you off in time because the flight controllers have thrown the dollies out of the pram.
Machines can’t replace people——— and it still takes an hour to collect your broken suitcase which some disgruntled “baggage handler” threw down the stairs in a mad fit of depression.
Dont you just love to travel ———— especially by air!

[Rotary John]

Living in my village —- Bouzigues——- is a Swede, Michael who just happens to race vintage autos—— it’s a Rotary Mazda RX7-78 with a 12A dry sump. Full group 2 spec—— he really pisses off the establishment by continuously winning——— told me he’s pulling 500 hp. What do you think Johnno? 500 Hp maybe but I suspect that's a bit of wishful thinking. All Mazda's are dry sump as the oil reservoir is out side the working engine. The Mazda LeManns engine was 900+ Hp.

[techteam]

500 Hp maybe but I suspect that's a bit of wishful thinking. All Mazda's are dry sump as the oil reservoir is out side the working engine. The Mazda LeManns engine was 900+ Hp.


Wish I knew where he's finding the 300 extra horses from a good ish 12a, no wonder the establishment is pissed off.

[jackiewilson]

Michael’s Rotary is pushing a ‘68 Plymouth——— watched film of him passing 911 Porky’s with consummate ease——- his comment was———- that’s the difference between 300 and 500 hp!
Just telling it the way I heard it.
14:00 hrs and just walked in the door———bugger the “heart”——- home is where the workshop is!

[WaterZebra]

Its the way of the world my friend——— who would have thought that an Outboard “Poker run” rig
would cost over a million?——— I am still remember my daughter Sam getting £500 sponsorship to do a season’s junior racing—— we thought we’d hit the big time!
Told Hodges I wouldn’t be buying any more boats when he hiked the price to £3,000 !

Race purse amounts gradually got smaller and then disappeared (sponsors / organizers).
Tow money died.
Local motel discounts (for racers and crews) stopped.
Trophies went from 2-3 ft tall sky scrapers to itty bitty desktop icons (along with plaque inscriptions and size) then died off.
Prizes went from humble T-shirts to coffee cups and then wall ribbons to certificates (paper).

On the other side of the coin.............entry fees went up just about as fast as fuel prices.

[jackiewilson]

Race purse amounts gradually got smaller and then disappeared (sponsors / organizers).
Tow money died.
Local motel discounts (for racers and crews) stopped.
Trophies went from 2-3 ft tall sky scrapers to itty bitty desktop icons (along with plaque inscriptions and size) then died off.
Prizes went from humble T-shirts to coffee cups and then wall ribbons to certificates (paper).

On the other side of the coin.............entry fees went up just about as fast as fuel prices.

Ok , so prize money went down in the USA——- there never was any decent prize money in Europe.
So we can’t use that as an excuse.
The chrome plated plastic four poster trophies were FECKIN hideous——- couldn’t have cost more than one ninety five in Walmart’s——- Italian and Spanish trophies were beautiful in design and probably solid silver———- French were serious pieces of glass———
If anybody wants a one off trophy—— I’m quite capable of doing the odd desirable at a reasonable fee.

[Scream And Fly]

I just want to say that this thread is incredible. Browsing the pages on it really shows how priceless the information in this thread. jackiewilson thank you for starting what is truly one of the all-time best threads on Scream And Fly.

Ober 500,000 views and 8200 replies! Just think about that - 8200 replies! That’s just massive.

Thank you Jackie and everybody that made this thread a very unique record of history that so many thousands of people will enjoy. It will always remain at the top of this forum for as long as this site exists (which will be for a very long time, I hope).

Greg

[jackiewilson]

410493

Imagiine listening to a harp and a violin in perfect harmony inside a fourteenth century French Abbey without a lid ? Awe inspiring——— until the Beauty is interrupted by the sound of a three rotor drone—— controlled by an iPhone ——— taking piccies of the guests below.
Apparently, before long, the wedding photographer will be another casualty in the technological race to get rid of “BEANS”————— “HUMAN BEINGS “———
Five will get you ten there will be no such thing as a HIGH STREET————— ( you remember, place where all the shops were long ago) within five years.
Carrefoure In France, is a bit like Public’s in the USA———- used to be a food shop that sold fruit and veg———- then confectionary———then meat and fish——— then electrical and clothing———- then banking and insurance———— then travel and holidays——— then camping and fishing gear.
Was in there Saturday——- over a hundred push bikes, but with ion battery power and a range of seventy five miles, ranging in price from $500 a pop——— to $2500. Didn’t anyone realise that this would mean the Butcher, the baker, the greengrocer, the haberdashery, the electric shop, the furniture shop, the clothes store, the bike shop, the bank, the insurance broker could no longer justify staying in business and had to close its doors?
Is this happening in your town——- or is it a European thing?

[jackiewilson]

Ok, so Somedays you eat bear ,——- maybe it IS happening in your town and you just haven’t noticed it yet———— milkman used to deliver fresh milk, cream and butter to our door every morning when I was a kid———- he had it in a 20 gallon aluminium churn that housed three measuring ladles
This was replaced with glass milk bottles that were washed and sent back to the dairy——— now these have been replaced by plastic milk bottles of every size——— when you finished with it you just chuckled it in the ocean ?

[jackiewilson]

I just want to say that this thread is incredible. Browsing the pages on it really shows how priceless the information in this thread. @jackiewilson (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?u=72036) thank you for starting what is truly one of the all-time best threads on Scream And Fly.

Ober 500,000 views and 8200 replies! Just think about that - 8200 replies! That’s just massive.

Thank you Jackie and everybody that made this thread a very unique record of history that so many thousands of people will enjoy. It will always remain at the top of this forum for as long as this site exists (which will be for a very long time, I hope).

Greg
Hells Bells——— Gadzooks and Oddsbodikins—— How ya like them apples Willabee ? High praise indeed—— Straight from the admins mouth——- thank you Greg! All joking apart Willabee’s “Hot Singles” is in a class of its own with over 715,000 hits——- this time next year Fuji’s thread “Mercury through the years” should just about beat Willabee to the million mark——— unless of course, he decides to stick some ginger up his bum and give a big boost to the HOT SINGLES——- which Welch can do easily.——- Go for it William.

[powerabout]

Hi Jackie
I think i asked before but what years did fonda race in Singapore and Penang?
Thanks

[jackiewilson]

Hi Jackie
I think i asked before but what years did fonda race in Singapore and Penang?
Thanks
Yes you did ask before and I forgot, apologies for being so remiss!
Try and find out for you Pilgrim——— late seventies and well into the eighties from memory——- but that’s shot to pieces, Mark and Parkinson both have better grey cells.
When OMC and the V8 series went into meltdown——- SAN Germano and Velden had nowhere to go——- FONDA was the only show in town, so with the help of Rolf Frohling and some devious UIM dealings they took over the old Fonda series and all the worldwide venues we had created.

[powerabout]

You used the old 2.0 carby f1 engine, was that everyone so no OMC?

John Hill won in Singapore 1990, last FONDA as far as I can see

[jackiewilson]

You used the old 2.0 carby f1 engine, was that everyone so no OMC?

John Hill won in Singapore 1990, last FONDA as far as I can see
Yes we used the three carb——— a few Americans used Alex’s six carb———- Cees ran the two litre looper OMC on a couple of occasions——— he actually won a heat in Munich, but failed to show for the next two heats. Didn’t give a flying fart what brand of engine it was as long as it was two litres!
George Kragge brought a Koenig two litre one time——— Sergio Carniti tried their biggy two litre motor just the once——— OMC claimed they only made a few two litres, but if that’s so, I can tell you Cees had more than his fair share, he had shed load!
Omc did not come out to play at two litres ———— they never won a Fonda race——— would have loved it if they had!
Lassie keeps banging on about what a marvellous motor the two litre OMC looper was———-I just never saw it!

[jackiewilson]

So, they’re going to armour the P1’s with V8’s for next season———— carnage unlimited! Good job they will be fitted with safety cells. Going to need a few more thAn the five that turned up at the last meeting!
Take a look at Willabee’s “Hot Singles” they’re taking a look at Billy Don Pruett’life——— that’s too hot to even contemplate———- should be interesting to say the least?
See Benny Robertson was at London to watch the London GP. Didn’t look like there were many spectators—— was told the racing was good——— lots of ex race boat drivers congregated there to have they’re piccies taken with other old ex boat racers!

[jackiewilson]

Watch out for a big announcement from Fountain any time soon——- great things happening in their neck of the woods.
That V Bottom will probably run at the OZARKS in the August meet.Gieco will be there too.
Mark will have his fifty footer there——- been seven years in the making—— has all the bells and whistles and more besides——- lots of new innovations never before seen in the marine industry. Take a look at it if you get a chance, it’s well worth it.
Got a clear day to do my thing in the shop today——— been up to my fetlocks ——- but today I’m free

[powerabout]

Hi Jackie
I see the hospital in a competition with Harold Shipman has won the the title.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-44547788
The NHS, doing more for the pension pool than any other organisation

[jackiewilson]

Hi Jackie
I see the hospital in a competition with Harold Shipman has won the the title.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-44547788
The NHS, doing more for the pension pool than any other organisation

Almost Pilgrim——- the knife lunatics in London are making sure folk don’t live long enough to collect a pension——— over 80 killings in the capital alone! Was a time when you wouldn’t even lock the door, let alone chain your bike to a lamp post.
Arab habit of chopping off a thief’s hand for stealing, somehow doesn’t seem as barbaric as I once thought———- there is no record of a one handed thief, anywhere——— maybe there’s a lesson to be learned here !
That’s one of the reasons I will never ever go into a retirement home——— put me out on the ice——- you know the score———— Somedays you eat bear———- other days. .??????

[powerabout]

Australia has a problem with ICE, biggest import from China

[jackiewilson]

Australia has a problem with ICE, biggest import from China

Now “ice” should not be difficult Pilgrim——- what sort of a dumb sh- t would import CO 2 from China?
Have you seen the state of the “Yellow River” .? It’s yellow because it’s full of crap, sewage, excreta, sh- try any other name is still Sh-t.!

[jackiewilson]

Got a full seven hours in the shop today——- barrelling along nicely with the latest”Concept”, so I decided I would paint the hardwood sponsons black———- couple of coats of primer filler——- follows by a couple of coats of Hammerite. Can ran out of puff, not to worry , I bought a case of six diamond black at the car boot a while Back!
Job was going well,—— no runs—— almost there, gave The can a good shake and put a really heavy coat on both sponsons———- was stood back, admiring my handiwork, thinking I finally got this painting lark licked !
Watched in horror as I managed to get the most perfect “CRINKLE FINISH” ever.
Two hours later, I was back to square one——- bare mahogany!
Turns out ACRYLIC and Cellulose paint are not good bedfellows.
As Scarlet so famously said——- TOMORROW IS ANOTHER DAY.

[powerabout]

Now “ice” should not be difficult Pilgrim——- what sort of a dumb sh- t would import CO 2 from China?
Have you seen the state of the “Yellow River” .? It’s yellow because it’s full of crap, sewage, excreta, sh- try any other name is still Sh-t.!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/story-streams/ice-epidemic/

[jackiewilson]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/story-streams/ice-epidemic/

And I thought we had a problem———— looks like what we used to call the “Civilised world” is turning to worms !
I knew diamonds were termed ICE, but, I guess I’m just an ignorant country boy that never heard of the Aussie ICE.
Very alarming Pilgrim———But no doubt, we’ll get afore long——— like bad news——- it travels fast.

Weekends here already, car boot this morning, then two or three hours in the shop. Have mistakes to put right, then I’m spending the afternoon with daughter Sam, down on the beach—— we got High temperatures and wall to wall sunshine for the next two weeks——- how ‘bout that———sorry about your bad luck friends——- for the rest of the month IM EATING BEAR.

[powerabout]

Ice will probably be cheaper than legal cannabis.
Global problem but so is over population

[jackiewilson]

Ice will probably be cheaper than legal cannabis.
Global problem but so is over population
Mande so Pilgrim——— Mother Nature has a habit of righting wrongs all on her own——— sometimes, if things are not going to her liking, she’ll throw in a touch of plague and pestilence——-then maybe a couple of years of drought and famine. Then she’ll simply sit back and wait for the human race to get mad at each other and start another war or three———- problem is, we moved on from the bow and arrow and past nuclear To who knows what sort of carnage?

[jackiewilson]

Car boot went well though nothing worth buying or even mentioning leapt out at me.
Did a wee forage at the scrapyard and found a few items that made me chuckle—— got a bit of an impasse on the windshield for this latest “Concept” —— needed some three inch alloy tube, which is rarer than the proverbial “Rocking Horse “ Ka-Ka. Found a length so I should be able to fabricate the screen.
Spent a quiet afternoon at the beach house with my daughter Sam——— dinner at home and an hour of TV. Ready for some quality shoptime before heading down the road To Portsmouth for Sunday lunch with a couple of old friends.
Next week is going to be hot and sticky——— have no engagements until Friday——- so should make big inroads in to the latest effort——— maybe even get it finished.

[jackiewilson]

Was a hot and sticky night here in Walberton——— time to get out the lightweight summer duvet——- had all the windows in the house wide open, no breeze at all——- Murphy decided she needed attention and kept leaping from the window onto me several times in the night——- finally locked her in the spare room, after that I had sleep.
With the world soccer competition going on in Russia, the tv cancels the regular programs and stuffs soccer at you from all channels——- be glad when it’s all over!
Her who shall be obeyed just informed me that it’s Wimbledon after the soccer and that’s two weeks of nothing but tennis.
F1 are still playing pat-a-cake——— my turn this week—— what a crock of crap that fiasco turned out to be———- keep Ferrari happy at all costs, cos if they pull out the whole shebang collapses like a pack of cards.
Thought the new American owners who bought out Ecclestone might have made improvements, but no such luck—— they’re running round like headless chicken——— don’t have a clue what to do !
Far too much money—— so little to show—- just a procession of rich kids with expensive toys parading round in the name of racing.
Its really speeded up “Turtle Racing” ——— no overtaking—— simply tactics——- pit stops——- tyre strategy. Give the buggers two choices of tyres——- wet or dry—— send em out to race!
Im off out to the shop for an hour or three!