Ron hill props.......yes no or maybee so?

[rastadr]

Any opinions out there based on personal experience?

[merctech5591]

Any opinions out there based on personal experience?
There older props were not so good.. I had a few 3 bl et's and a 5 blade et.. To this day I still have the 5 blade and its holding up ok.. The newer signature 4 blade et style is a awesome prop for my liberator . Hold's the boat nice thru the turns and not a ton of steering torque. Best on this prop was 95@6200 with a 250 pro xs 1.75 sporty.. That was with 2 people 1/2 tanks of fuel and the usual cooler and boat items..

[gm250]

I ran the et hill and I saw my best numbers of t he year. Great prop 32 labbed at 93 6150 1.75 on 22 progressi:thumbsup::thumbsup:on. Ask for Chad great wheel

[Superbender]

Chad is makin some fine wheels

[Markus]

I had a very nice Ron Hill Hoss Style 4-blade a few years ago.

Some of the stuff he has been selling on eBay has not been great, though, according to some posts on here.

Finally, there is a prop shop that blueprints them, resulting in supposedly very nice wheels. There is a link on my website.

[David]

I borrowed a 13 spline Hoss copy 2 years ago. Very good prop.

[oldschoolltv]

I have a 32et style and love it, it is my fastest prop, Matt

[Brabender]

Have one of his wheels,

good peeps

[gm250]

I have to say not only do the props perform chad is a great guy to deal with. he will take the time to help not many people left out there in business like him

[wildwiley]

my experience! I've been thru four signature et props this year slung blades on three and cracked one!!! i bought it new and yes chad and ron are good people but i had no luck with his props !!! they do come with a warranty so i kept returning them and returning them and so on . my advice spend the extra money

[Mr. Demeanor]

Performance Propeller also makes an ET copy. They are good props but I have never ran he ET copy.

[Instigator]

Chad and Ron are not the same people.

I was recently at a local, high end prop shop w/a friend who had a a pair of Ron Hill props for his cat that he couldn't get to run right.
The local shop had them on their digital pitch machine and there was 3" difference between blades/props!
I asked the guy if he thought they were imported (read, Chinese) wheels that Ron put his name on and he said absolutely.

[gm250]

ron and chad are not the same props. the new propellers are really nice made by chad.

[wildwiley]

Ron is the father of chad where they make and sell props !!! I have had long talks with both Ron hill and chad hill about my props losing blades as Ron said they have had problems with them now by Ron saying that was it all the props they make I don't know as I only tried one type (THERE SIGNATURE ET ). I hope this was clear for EVERYBODY to understand

[Mr. Demeanor]

Chad and Ron are not the same people.

I was recently at a local, high end prop shop w/a friend who had a a pair of Ron Hill props for his cat that he couldn't get to run right.
The local shop had them on their digital pitch machine and there was 3" difference between blades/props!
I asked the guy if he thought they were imported (read, Chinese) wheels that Ron put his name on and he said absolutely.

Ive seen the same. I was at Leading Edge and he was showing me a brand new Hill ET cut and how the pitch was all over the place, cup was inconsistent, etc.
By the time you made it right, you could have bought a real ET. This was within the last year.

[baja200merk]

Beef has slung 2 blades off 2 different hill props, 4 blade 30 and a 3 blade 34. I guess they were older. Ron Hill said send them to them they will help us out on new ones. I have to call Ron cause they were supposed to be making 36p wheels its been a year since I talked to them though.

Gary, Chaz told me that horror story sat. :eek:

[Capt.Insane-o]

I wouldn't buy a replacement blender blade from Ron, can't say anything about Chad's props buuut, some people went to a lot of time and effort to design props Hill has blatantly copied.

[Mr. Demeanor]

I am going to be trying a 30 Performance Propeller three blade drag copy. I ran a 28 on my boat with the stock motor but it was too tall. Now I have the power and I think the hull will like it.
The 28 I had was a very nice prop. Finished very nice. I'll give you guys an opinion of the 30 pitch prop. I think they are pretty close to Merc prop prices though. About $700 for the 3 blade ET and Drag style props.

I think the Hill ET copies are a little more round eared than the Mercs. Its great they stand behind them but how about when it takes out part of the lower unit.

ET price comparison:
Hill ET = $550 shipped
Performance Propeller ET = $699 shipped
Merc ET = $859 shipped

[davemvegas]

it seems if I am reading this right. the hill props kinda went from great to junk in about 15 post.

[baja200merk]

Yup this lower is junk now...
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp163/hondacr8288/IMG_20120121_140608.jpg (http://s408.photobucket.com/user/hondacr8288/media/IMG_20120121_140608.jpg.html)

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[prosken300]

Merc ET props swing blades to...
have at least 4 of them missing a blade...
they are known to do that, cant speak of hill props as i dont own any

[gm250]

Yup this lower is junk now...
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp163/hondacr8288/IMG_20120121_140608.jpg (http://s408.photobucket.com/user/hondacr8288/media/IMG_20120121_140608.jpg.html)

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looks like the older style ron hill blades. chad has done a lot of changes to the new ones different process and metals and he will stand behind every prop he sells. I know a lot of people running them and they love them . they had issues many years ago before chad got involved now he runs the company everything was changed . hope this helps anyone local is welcome to run my wheel it a 32 labbed 4 blade et cut before buying one.

[wildwiley]

Yup this lower is junk now...
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp163/hondacr8288/IMG_20120121_140608.jpg (http://s408.photobucket.com/user/hondacr8288/media/IMG_20120121_140608.jpg.html)

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I hear u Kevin I got a Cle that I just had a fat shaft put into and slung a blade before the Suwannee run and my skeg is half gone too

[baja200merk]

Beef slung the blade on my favorite prop at suwannee. Hydromotive 15x34 et. SUCKS!

GM250- Im going to call Ron next week. They have had my props for about a year and I need new ones, I will see if they stand behind them. I herd a recent horror story about them.

[rkmirage]

This comes at a good time for me because I'm about to make a deal on a Signature ET, as stated, and like everything else, opinion vary greatly. I thought...great!, then as I read.....not so sure.

[Tom Foley]

FACT : Surface piercing props sling blades at some point in their life cycle . IMO the worst stresses for a prop are power loading while blipping the throttle and repeated holeshots .

[Capt.Insane-o]

Breaking blades off the leading edge in not uncommon, when they are ripping the root out of the hub something is up. I'll stick with Hoss, untouched Merc wheels and Performance Propellers thankyouverymuch. :)

[rkmirage]

FACT : Surface piercing props sling blades at some point in their life cycle . IMO the worst stresses for a prop are power loading while blipping the throttle and repeated holeshots .I'm easy on it out of the hole and slow down for large wakes. I've heard that a stock 200 case won't last if it's surfaced, yet I've had one since 08 and it was 20 years old at that point, never had a problem. I run hard but I'm not abusive. Thats why I'm wondering about Hill props if they are treated properly. Anything abused is just when and not if.

[Tom Foley]

I'm easy on it out of the hole and slow down for large wakes. I've heard that a stock 200 case won't last if it's surfaced, yet I've had one since 08 and it was 20 years old at that point, never had a problem. I run hard but I'm not abusive. Thats why I'm wondering about Hill props if they are treated properly. Anything abused is just when and not if.

I did not mean to point my response toward you or anyone else . I have serveral mazcos and ET's at the shop that are ...well .......FUUUUCQED:cheers:

Performance Propeller does a very nice job with their products and I would love to have a 28 Performer .

[FlowMaxx]

Anyone run the hydromotive ET style prop?

[rkmirage]

I did not mean to point my response toward you or anyone else . I have serveral mazcos and ET's at the shop that are ...well .......FUUUUCQED:cheers:

Performance Propeller does a very nice job with their products and I would love to have a 28 Performer .Ok, so I'm just better to get a Merc ET and be done with it? Thanks Tom, I take what you have to say as gospel.

[Mr. Demeanor]

I think the constant surfacing is the killer rather than holeshot and power loading
During holeshot and loading, the prop load is very even across the whole blade. When running surfaced, half the blade is loaded, the other half isnt, and its loading/unloading and an incredible rate. We've have all broken off a piece of metal by flexing it back and forth until it breaks and thats what is happening to a surfacing prop.
I say this because I have broken two props with my little stock 130 and it happened as soon as I started running them real high.

[phantomuk]

Someone at lake coniston this teat had all 4 blade break on one run. Every blade in the same kindred place. 1/2 way up from the root.

[baja200merk]

Anyone run the hydromotive ET style prop?

Yes I loved mine until last weekend :rolleyes: 3rd prop of mine Beef ruined in a year on 3 different motors and 2 different boats :mad:

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[oldschoolltv]

so it sounds like beef and Tom are the hardest on props, note to self do not loan them any props, Matt

[milkdud]

How is the handling when you break a blade off? Does it get wild or not? Is it a big issue or does it just vibrate?
C

[baja200merk]

Shakes like crazy if you just loose a blade. If you loose a blade and it takes the skeg with it things get interesting quick :eek:

[hydrochicken]

Yes I loved mine until last weekend :rolleyes: 3rd prop of mine Beef ruined in a year on 3 different motors and 2 different boats :mad:

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Looks like you should be able to write beef off on your taxes lol I just took mine off I don't even know how it was still going that prop had been spinning on the hub so bad over the weekend I guess when I pulled a down boat on friday I had a little vibration looked at it no bends or cracks but it is actually a little out of line on the hub and had smeared the prop and thrust washer together bad

[FlowMaxx]

Yes I loved mine until last weekend :rolleyes: 3rd prop of mine Beef ruined in a year on 3 different motors and 2 different boats :mad:

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp163/hondacr8288/6BAD15C4-F899-4EDA-8F10-5A52AFC520F3-1002-0000008551E8CD51_zps1c87e957.jpg (http://s408.photobucket.com/user/hondacr8288/media/6BAD15C4-F899-4EDA-8F10-5A52AFC520F3-1002-0000008551E8CD51_zps1c87e957.jpg.html)

I have done some searching and I believe that your prop is NOT a hydromotive, but rather a Performance Propellers prop out of Soddy Daisy. You should be able to get a 14 1/2 x 34 hydromotive ET right down the street at propgods.

[Mr. Demeanor]

Yes I loved mine until last weekend :rolleyes: 3rd prop of mine Beef ruined in a year on 3 different motors and 2 different boats :mad:

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp163/hondacr8288/6BAD15C4-F899-4EDA-8F10-5A52AFC520F3-1002-0000008551E8CD51_zps1c87e957.jpg (http://s408.photobucket.com/user/hondacr8288/media/6BAD15C4-F899-4EDA-8F10-5A52AFC520F3-1002-0000008551E8CD51_zps1c87e957.jpg.html)


You HAVE to keep your props leading edges nick free. I saw that prop after it broke and it had a lot of little nicks. Rich Junker told me long ago to keep them clean. A nick is where the crack will start. Its easy to keep them cleaned up if you stay on top of it.

[Tom Foley]

How is the handling when you break a blade off? Does it get wild or not? Is it a big issue or does it just vibrate?
C

A buddy threw a blade then propshaft at 120 + and the boat went straight (Quartershot T - 3 ) but the prop broke the cav plate and chewed the mid up a bit .

[rastadr]

don't you sleep Tom? I left my cooler and my scissors in Gina's kitchen. going to the key's in two weeks to replenish the stash for your next lobsterfest.

[Mr. Demeanor]

don't you sleep Tom? I left my cooler and my scissors in Gina's kitchen. going to the key's in two weeks to replenish the stash for your next lobsterfest.

I left my favorite filet knife. Just dont let Hydrochicken chop down any trees with it....

[rkmirage]

I just find it hard to believe that Beef would be hard on anything:D

[BoomerMuskoka]

does performance propellers make a cleaver?

[baja200merk]

Eric sounds like you got lucky! Too bad it didnt break when she was driving it, you know you break it you buy it :eek:


I have done some searching and I believe that your prop is NOT a hydromotive, but rather a Performance Propellers prop out of Soddy Daisy. You should be able to get a 14 1/2 x 34 hydromotive ET right down the street at propgods.

Ask Larry Im pretty sure he told me it was a hydromotive. You might be right?? :thumbsup: Im gonnna miss it though http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/tears/t2340.gif


You HAVE to keep your props leading edges nick free. I saw that prop after it broke and it had a lot of little nicks. Rich Junker told me long ago to keep them clean. A nick is where the crack will start. Its easy to keep them cleaned up if you stay on top of it.

So beef shouldnt dredge channels with them? :p

Running 100+ in 1ft of water with egrets standing knee deep doesnt help either :D

Seriously tho, we have cracked or broke-
29srx (trailing edge cracked caught it before it slung)
26 chopper
22 chopper
32 4 blade signature et
34 signature et
34 performance/hydromotive/mystery.

Wanna play ya gotta pay.....

Chris- Doesnt prop gods loan props out to try? My buddy is looking for a 30 bravo but wants to run one before he buys one.

[BeefKid]

Yes I loved mine until last weekend :rolleyes: 3rd prop of mine Beef ruined in a year on 3 different motors and 2 different boats :mad:

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp163/hondacr8288/6BAD15C4-F899-4EDA-8F10-5A52AFC520F3-1002-0000008551E8CD51_zps1c87e957.jpg (http://s408.photobucket.com/user/hondacr8288/media/6BAD15C4-F899-4EDA-8F10-5A52AFC520F3-1002-0000008551E8CD51_zps1c87e957.jpg.html)

It's 2 of yours the 4 blade was mine so beat it. .. and your welcome cause that would of F**ked that sporty up if you ran it
:thumbsup:

[Mr. Demeanor]

does performance propellers make a cleaver?

No. Here are there props.

I have a 30 Performance Propellers Drag cut and a 32 Perormance propellers ET cut coming next week. Ill let you guys know what I think of them and please keep buying my stuff to fund my addiction :D

[Markus]

does performance propellers make a cleaver?

I had a cleaver that was supposedly from there. A blade broke.

[Hoss Marine Propellers]

Someone at lake coniston this teat had all 4 blade break on one run. Every blade in the same kindred place. 1/2 way up from the root.

I'd love to see a picture of this prop???? :eek:

[BoomerMuskoka]

No. Here are there props.

I have a 30 Performance Propellers Drag cut and a 32 Perormance propellers ET cut coming next week. Ill let you guys know what I think of them and please keep buying my stuff to fund my addiction :D

i have a 32p performer ET, its good, tryed a mazco cleaver and it ran a little faster.

[baja200merk]

It's 2 of yours the 4 blade was mine so beat it. .. and your welcome cause that would of F**ked that sporty up if you ran it
:thumbsup:

You bought it!!!

[hydrochicken]

You bought it!!!

Possession is 9/10ths of the law I believe beef broke three of his props since they were on his mottor:D

[baja200merk]

Yea all hes gotta do is pay me for em!

[hydrochicken]

Yea all hes gotta do is pay me for em!

Might as well right that off might want to start a deposit up front lol:D I got to send mine off and get a hub put in and clean the edge up I have never seen one still pulling and looking like this on the hub glad it did though after I gave my spare to wayne when his went MIA

[steve@scp]

the "old" ron hill props were welded on blades. never checked for any kind of accuracy. poor metal and terrible welding.
the NEW chad hill props are now cast props with all new designs (many guys helped them). and are now made using
the lost wax casting process. much more consistent blades and better designs. no more problems with their props

steve.

[gm250]

Thanks Steve for clearing that up well said

[tres]

my best speed so far is a Hill signature 30 pitch 3 blade...

[Mr. Demeanor]

My 30P Performance Propellers drag copy just showed up and its SWEET. Very nice finish.
Baja, Tim at PP looked at this thread and your ET that broke was one of their older props. I have the same prop in a 32 with extra cup that should run about the same as your 34 on the way. Theres a short line of guys hoping I cant turn it so it will be for sale.

[baja200merk]

Interesting I guess Flowmaxx called it! loved that prop!

Why are you worried about turning it? It won't bring you down to your engines recommended 5500 rpm range hahaha

pm me your number

[Mr. Demeanor]

Lots of rake in this 30 Drag copy!

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[dbug10]

Any opinions out there based on personal experience?

I have run Ron's props for years never had a problem or complaint