Fastest Bass Boats of yesteryear and today.....

[1FASTLASER]

I know this site leans more towards boats that are built basically for high performance racing,skiing,etc etc but I have a love for the fast bass boats that have been produced over the years. So I thought I would start this thread and see how many of you know what bass rigs out there of today and yesteryear that would really haul the mail.
I'll get started with a few of my favorite "sleeper bass boats"
Remember the Skeeter Wrangler....strap on a 140 and break 60 with some setup time pretty easy.
Or how about the Venture V17,V18,or the V19.....any of these could break mid 60's REAL easy.
Dont forget the Procraft....they built 2 rocket bassers...the 1750 (or 1780 ...I always get that number cornfused)....with a 2.0 mid to high 60's was real easy.

[skeeter91]

my old man had a starfire skeeter,1984 if i remember.had a 200 looper dressed up like a 150 with a hand tuned pendergrass prop(26 p ?).i have heard these boats refered to as "widowmaker",and can remember a very hairy 72mph ride in it on more than one occasion.real serious chine walk but boy was it fast for a 18ft bass boat!

[south599]

my last boat, which lead me into my current speeder that im already wanting to go faster! lol. my last boat was a 1984 kingfisher 15v. the original owner had the transom rebuilt to hold a 125 1984 force. he told me he got it into the mid60's brand new. the adds said the boat hull weight was only 700lbs. The only thing i did to the motor was regular maintenance and replace the header gasket. sold it to a friend and he rebuilt the carbs and fuel pump. said he was able to push it to 60mph! and this was with one of those heavy cmc hydraulic trim units because the motor had lost its years ago. plus the props were not right for that boat because you had to use multiple washers for it to put it on.

[Beadlejuicejr]

Well fastest bass boat hands down will be the xb02

[gregpro50]

I've got a Hydrostream Varmint which I'm sure is the fastest bass boat on my lake right now. When I do the tournament I'm always the first one to the best fishing spot although it doesn't actually help me catch the fish. It's actually a great boat to fish from too. It was way ahead of it's time.

[neveredge]

Rajin Cagun 16'8" with a GT150 =70 mph. Same for the Champion and Charger 16'8" boats, they were all just about the same hull.

Who can forget the Ranger 340V. With a 150 and light it will touch 75MPH. Put a 200 on it and it will just about kill you.

Hydra sports X270 VL270. Both 70 mph boats with GT150s. I rode in a 600 lbs. all Kevlar X270 with a Merc 2.4 200 at 85+

Laser LTV Basser, 75 set up right. Saw many with 2.4 EFI bridgeports running well over 90.

Stratos 180VT Rocket. 68 mph loaded to fish with a GT150.

[neveredge]

Lets not forget the Norris Craft 19Vee. Wicked fast back in the day.

[skeeter91]

anybody remember the k-craft?that was alight one with balsa wood frame.i rode in one a while back that had a 200 rude and jackplate,ran over 80mph and scared the living crap outta me!not a rough water boat but was really fast.

[skeeter91]

got this one today!its got a 200looper,hot foot and a jack plate.i bought it for the motor,but i gotta see what it will do before i part it out!these boats will do 80 set up right,so i should be able to get to 75 without much jacking around!282942282944282943

[1FASTLASER]

No fast bass boat thread would be complete without mentioning of course Allison. Some folks say they are the fastest but I have seen a few Bullets,Strokers, and Norriscrafts that would give an ally a run for there money.
Gamblers setup right would make ya sit-up and take notice.
And let's not forget one of my favorites ...a Laser be it a padded V or an LTV model. Strap on a 150-200 and would put most boats on the trailer with there tails tucked.
Someone already mentioned the Champion. There "mean 17" was a very quick one

[Hoss Marine Propellers]

I agree with the Allison XB2002 ...... It's my favorite, but.....
Back in the day, mid 70's or so, I loved the Skeeter Wrangler HP120 with a 115 OMC on it! :D
We turned a modified 21" pitch SST 6K-6100 rpm and ran 60-61 mph...... with a 115!!!!!!! :eek:
It was a fun boat to drive.

[Lockjaw]

got this one today!its got a 200looper,hot foot and a jack plate.i bought it for the motor,but i gotta see what it will do before i part it out!these boats will do 80 set up right,so i should be able to get to 75 without much jacking around!282942282944282943 That looks like a Stallion Tunnel to me. My buddy has one.

[Lockjaw]

My boat runs 68.5 with a 150, and its a 1350 pound hull. :cheers:

[south599]

im about to get some 'GT' carbs for mine i think it'll really do some damage after that.

[Lockjaw]

im about to get some 'GT' carbs for mine i think it'll really do some damage after that.
You should go see Paul Nichols over in Soddy Daisy and let him help you set that boat up.

[Corona Mike]

The OLD Hydra-Sports! 168v and 178v The Ran Very Good In A Straight Line...Slowing Down...Well That Could Get Interesting! If Memory Serves Me, The 168v Was Rated For A 120...We Put 200's On Them! The 178 Was A Little Longer And Drove Better (Slowed Down A Bunch Better) Keep In Mind, This Was WAY Before Low-Water Pick-up Gear Cases Were Around! As Far As Todays FASTEST BASS BOATS...XB02 Has That Covered...And Has Since It Was 1st. Built!!

[south599]

im working with billy eaves over in dayton and some other people. but i would love to meet paul someday!

[neveredge]

That looks like a Stallion Tunnel to me. My buddy has one.

The Stallion tunnel is a Laser LTV copy. The Gambler uses the same hull it appears but with a much better deck layout than the LTV Basser.

[skeeter91]

i am going to try and take it out for a spin this afternon,if time permits.i have to clean all the old fishing junk out of it and change props,it has a 25pitch ballistic on it.the guy i got it from said it was too much prop for it,wouldnt holeshot well at all.im going to put a 24 i have on it and check the jack plate hight,i will probably need to move it too,as there are two 25lb bags of sand in the forward storage compartment that i will remove as well!

[resqu-u]

Allison on speed hands down. But my Dad's Starfire with an xp 175 was a lot of fun! Mid 60's and just a handful. Everything a youngster could ask for. I settled for an XB2003 it's fast and fishes great :)

[ridgerunner]

Tidecrafts were a handful. Spitfire with a xr2. I think the larger Tidecraft hull was reconstituted into a Gambler hull.

[skeeter91]

so took the gambler out yesterday.changed out the prop and moved the jack plate 2in.none of the gauges work so i have no idea what it was turning rpm wise.seat of the pants felt like 70-75mph.that looper really screams!sounds ALOT different than my x flow.the boat is downright evil out of the hole but drove quite well once it was on plane and wide open!did not take chop well at all bounced the nose of the boat everywhere.once the hotfoot came loose from the floor i put it on the trailer and went home.next time i take it out,all that stuff will be fixed!

[1BadAction]

Who can forget the Ranger 340V. With a 150 and light it will touch 75MPH. Put a 200 on it and it will just about kill you.
With an 80" beam and a hair over 16' long it'll act like it's going to kill you with just about any V6. :eek: A trophy prop, jackplate and good steering and I could see them running much harder than they did screwed right to the transom.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6497/x1xe.jpg

[1FASTLASER]

I guess while talking about hotrod bassboats we outta mention the BassCat Sabre as well. Very respectable runner with a 2.5 on it.
I remember the Tidecraft boat every time I go fishin. Gots one. Get her on pad with the right setup and you got ur hands full. I have a 16 ftr right now

[patchesII]

The Tidecraft Wildfire was a take off of one of the Hydrostreams. I think the baby Wrangler was also. My dad had a Hustler Outlaw(nother Stream knockoff) that ran 71 or so on a radar gun with 26 chopper on an inline 115 back in 84. Lot if those older bass boats were Stream knockoffs. What about the old Allison 17 ft boat. That thing would fly for its day

[mickeyjr]

The OLD Hydra-Sports! 168v and 178v The Ran Very Good In A Straight Line...Slowing Down...Well That Could Get Interesting!!


Along with the Hydra Sports, the Venture 1550 and 1650 models with V6 power ran well but would get hairy scary real quick. The Hydrostream Varmint was a good one.

[PlowTown Missile]

I was young so my memory is a little foggy on the exact details but...

My dad's friend Marshall was factory sponsored by BassCat and one year they gave him a new boat with a slate bluish/green 300 Evinrude on it. It was a new special production engine at the time and that thing was fast. I've got a picture somewhere my dad took from the dock of us making a pass and only the prop/lower are in the water.

[neveredge]

I would love to see some picks of the 300 powered bass cat.

[1FASTLASER]

I would love to see some picks of the 300 powered bass cat.
Me to. I wasn't aware BCB produced a hull with a 300 hp rating.

[PlowTown Missile]

I would love to see some picks of the 300 powered bass cat.

[QUOTE=1FASTLASER;2532174]Me to. I wasn't aware BCB produced a hull with a 300 hp rating.[/QOUTE]

Marshall did tournaments all over and worked selling boats part-time at the BassCat dealer in Belleville IL. I talked to my dad just now and he is guessing it was around 1998 but i was thinking about 1996. We're working on digging up that picture at both of our houses.

Edit: he referred to the engine as a "Limited edition 300 Evinrude" if that makes any sense.

[geezer1]

The Tidecraft Wildfire was a take off of one of the Hydrostreams. I think the baby Wrangler was also.
I could be wrong, but I believe the Wrangler was the first bass boat with a high performance V hull. I bought a Wrangler in 1976 when I qualified to fish the Louisiana Top 6. Hell of a fast boat in it's day... had to knock it back on pad with the wheel when she started to oscillate. There were lots of people scared of driving the Wrangler, but I loved it. She was a real kick in the a--! Geezer.

[1FASTLASER]

I would like to see a XB Allison and a 20XD Bullet both setup for topend numbers with the SAME engine and see which one actually did better. Actually if I am going to make that statement I better put a Stroker in the mix as well.

There are also some otherboats that should be mentioned like the Storm, Blazers....they are some good topend bass rigs as well. I thinkk the fastest Blaser if my memory aint failing was the 202 model.

[Lockjaw]

I would like to see a XB Allison and a 20XD Bullet both setup for topend numbers with the SAME engine and see which one actually did better. Actually if I am going to make that statement I better put a Stroker in the mix as well.

There are also some otherboats that should be mentioned like the Storm, Blazers....they are some good topend bass rigs as well. I thinkk the fastest Blaser if my memory aint failing was the 202 model. I think it depends on which engine. If you do a 2.5, I'd probably say the Allison, if you go heavier then the Stroker.

[Lockjaw]

I guess while talking about hotrod bassboats we outta mention the BassCat Sabre as well. Very respectable runner with a 2.5 on it.
I remember the Tidecraft boat every time I go fishin. Gots one. Get her on pad with the right setup and you got ur hands full. I have a 16 ftr right now I saw a guy last year running around in one of those Sabre's with a XR6 on it, and it sounded good too. He was so proud of it running 62. :D He needs to let someone set it up better for him.

[Glasstream15]

Glasstream 17V was rated for 150 but there were a bunch of them in SE AL with 200 Mariners. Way into upper 70s and even low 80s with the right prop and driver. My 15V will just top 60 with an '86 Inline 115.

[Lockjaw]

Glasstream 17V was rated for 150 but there were a bunch of them in SE AL with 200 Mariners. Way into upper 70s and even low 80s with the right prop and driver. My 15V will just top 60 with an '86 Inline 115.
I had a friend with one with a 235 Johnson on it, and a 150 cowl. He didn't fish out of it, just drove it around. I have no idea what it would run on the top, but man through the mid range, it would move. I had someone put a nose cose on it, and do some work with the water inlets. Ran a big chopper prop.

[RiceKiller]

I had a old 85 starfire with a hot 260 0n the back man was that thing scary fast up to 80 it had more but the hual wasent made for that lol

[RiceKiller]

I think if you would put a 300 drag on the back of a Allison XTB 21 it would run in the high teens maybe 120s with the right driver

[Hoss Marine Propellers]

I think if you would put a 300 drag on the back of a Allison XTB 21 it would run in the high teens maybe 120s with the right driver

That would be very interesting to see what top speed could be attained? The bottom of the XTB21 was one of the best Darris designed (in my opinion).
The top deck becomes a problem with aerodynamics at those speeds & also balancing the boat for level running. That's where the XB02 really shines!!!! Bottom like the XTB but center steer & a better deck design for top end running!!!! :cheers:

[JP Love]

The Tidecraft Wildfire was a take off of one of the Hydrostreams. I think the baby Wrangler was also. My dad had a Hustler Outlaw(nother Stream knockoff) that ran 71 or so on a radar gun with 26 chopper on an inline 115 back in 84. Lot if those older bass boats were Stream knockoffs. What about the old Allison 17 ft boat. That thing would fly for its day71 with a 115 is verry fast..... Stock engine?? 150 with 115 cowl??

[whipper]

XB 2002 has been 130 and mid to high 120,s lots with Shook driving. The fastest hes been with his record holden 02. Though 117 average day of the record with 122 pass one way on that day. He was hoping for faster as he has done so many times before. Tim you made him that 29 Hoss prop for the record day didn't ya.:cheers: David and Glen Reynolds have been running 120 and 130,s in Allisons for a long time. Haven't hear of many other Vee hulled bass boats even coming close to those numbers. Bullets have been high teens-121 with a BB ,A LCB Tunnel with a 300X did 120-125 but not 130 as the Allisons have with 2.4 and 2.5 engines.

Tim an XTB, move the helm to Center with Center Steer XB02 race fairing and rear hatch to an engine cowl 300drag with a 29 or 30 Hoss Trition and let her eat!!:reddevil: Theres a new project for ya.:D That would actually be a very cool looking boat that could probably handle a 300XS with Bush mods and taylor mid with a real big wheel.:rolleyes:

[RiceKiller]

If I could find a 2003 consol I would put it in my XTB and slide steering that would be a bad ride

[whipper]

If I could find a 2003 consol I would put it in my XTB and slide steering that would be a bad ride

Hears ****ty drawing I just whipped up with a Center steer on a XTB21. You could essentially move the side consol over? Sure resembles a XB2002 when ya do this. http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/whipperr/edkolski5_zpsa4c9d61d.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/whipperr/media/edkolski5_zpsa4c9d61d.jpg.html)

[RiceKiller]

Who's Yellow XTB is that I want it

[whipper]

Who's Yellow XTB is that I want it

Oh she is a nice one!! She was Ed Koliski,s 1996 model http://allisonowners.com/p/edkolski3.jpg http://allisonowners.com/p/edkolski5.jpg http://allisonowners.com/p/edkolski.jpg

[south599]

i never have been a fan of how allison's look, but i love that set up!

[whipper]

From the Rubrail down the hull looks very close to my GSE,s bottom? I was enlarging and studying this today. The very forward section is a little longer from the front wings on the bow. That must be were the extra 9 inches comes from to make her a 21? The weight is virtually the same as a GS also at 960. The more i look the more I like. Just need to as tim says make her a Center Steer. great looking hull. The pad looked a little wider also compared to some Allisons.

[RiceKiller]

That's a nice XTB

[STRECH]

My dad had two Eliminator bass boats that where tunnel hull. Went pretty good that I recall. They where lite and had a 300 on it. I don't think they sold to many of them tho. Troy

[1FASTLASER]

Let's not forget the Prosecutor and Lighting hulls. For those of you that don't know that's what happened to Tidecraft. They changed the name but not the shop. Still built one at a time in Minden,La. Last Prosecutor I had a chance to play with ran low to mid 80's with a 225 PM

[RiceKiller]

Got any pics

[Varmint]

I think it depends on which engine. If you do a 2.5, I'd probably say the Allison, if you go heavier then the Stroker.
Well considering the "stroker" is a new name for the Jay Cox built Shadow 210v hull, (same mold) then the shadow would be the"old school version" i think Jay started building bassboats in 80/81, aftera long career as an Ally factory team driver, you gotta mention the old Shadow tunnel hull in the old school thread,as well as Shadow beat Ally and everybody with the 18v as worlds fastest basser in '86.http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k615/cajunmerc/null_zps3967ff64.jpg

[Varmint]

That is a beautiful yellow Ally! Rob your Boat is sweet just how it sits !!

[Varmint]

I have a varmint too, just no time to restore it, got her wrapped up and stored. They were quick to, Gregpro's is a nice one, i remember following his resto. and the vids ,outrunning everything at a tourney blastoff, lol

[RiceKiller]

Thanks Chris I like that shadow maybe one day I'll get to ride in it

[Varmint]

Rob my buddy is selling a 70 hour 300x, not sure if i'm an idiot to pass on it, or more of one to buy it and bolt it onto the red boat ! Lolhttp://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k615/cajunmerc/071_zps37198349.jpg

[1FASTLASER]

I ain't t figured out how to post pics off this phone but there was a fella here on SnF that was selling one of the Prosecutors a few years back with a 2.4. His screen name was HiStrung if memory serves me right. The Prosecutor was the 20'r and the Lightining was the 18. I've seen supposed topend numbers in the high 90's and a couple just a tad over a hundred.

[Varmint]

Laser, just download app for photobucket, store pics on bucket, then pop up the pic on bucket,highlight img, then come back and paste it here. I have iphone, i'm sure others are similar.

[1FASTLASER]

Thanks Varmint. I too have an iphone

[1FASTLASER]

Ok let's c ifn I can get this pic up of the Prosecutor.
http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g87/1FASTLASER/?action=view&current=null_zps148380d3.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g87/1FASTLASER/null_zps148380d3.jpg

[1FASTLASER]

Lol Thanks Varmint. That didn't even hurt. Now I gotta find one of the Lightning

[doubleeagle]

We had a Stroker set up with a 300 Mariner running 104/105. We were doing set up and prop testing.With a normal set up would run in the mid 90,s. Boat was a pleasure to drive and one of the best rough water boats I have driven.

[Varmint]

Here's one of the tunnel hull prototypes during test/tune, they've been into the 1 teens,with the lite weight, but jay and brent know how to drive,maybe Brent will come back to the boards soon and give us an update.http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k615/cajunmerc/29E4E2A6-68CD-4827-AAD8-DD23F1582743-2570-00000664973D7A73_zpsd2423f44.jpg

[rgsauger]

Daaaaaaaaammmmnnnn!!!!! That is one sexy boat! What color will your new one be?

[1FASTLASER]

I have been every where and can't seem to find a pic of the Lightining hull. Maybe someone else has one.

[1FASTLASER]

Well I woulda never thought this thread would have taken off like this but I guess there are a lot more of us that have a place for the fast bass sleds like me. Ain't nothing better to me than a sunrise run,cool air and slick water and up on pad running to that first bite. Anyways back to our scheduled programming.
Has anyone got a pic or 2 of the Lightining hull. I know there made and someone has to have bought one. Lol I been trying to hunt down my deceased buddy's Prosecutor with the 225 PM on it to get a better pic for everyone. Loved fishin n runnin this boat. Ain't many 20' bass sleds that run low to mid 80's tourney loaded. Those of you that have some pics of the boats like we been talkin bout please post up a pic or 2. Varmint sho us that beautiful stream basser of yours.

[Varmint]

Well it's not so beautiful now, lol needs paint and some minor deck work, gregpro's is alot nicer, mine is wrapped up awaiting attn. some day, i'm repainting and rigging my paramount 21 right now. And gonna replace the knees and rebox the transom on my shadow after that,

[Varmint]

This pic is a few yrs old, got got outside in a freak snowstorm,http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k615/cajunmerc/Hydrostream%20Varmint/HydrostreamVarmint007.jpg

[Varmint]

http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k615/cajunmerc/Hydrostream%20Varmint/HydrostreamVarmint014.jpg

[Varmint]

http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k615/cajunmerc/Hydrostream%20Varmint/HydrostreamVarmint005-2.jpg

[1FASTLASER]

Always liked them.looked like they where doing a 100 mph sittin on the trailer By the way on your Shadow did u ever finally get the setup done? What kinda numbers did ya finally get out of it?

[Allyda]

Enjoying the thread 1Fastlaser & am happy somebody mentioned the Shadow (y'all who know me on BBM know why:D) I'll subscribe to this one as I too want to hear about those Shadow numbers!!:thumbsup:

[1FASTLASER]

Anyone remember the first Legends to hit the water. I read somewhere they got into trouble with Bullet bass boats. Apparently when the splashed the mold they didn't change them enough to keep them out of court. Anyways they where supposed to run pretty good

[Allyda]

I thought those older legends were the same hull as Bullet. Had a friend who owned one back in the day when I had my 17' 7" Glastron basser & told him so. He thought I was crazy. At least now I know I wasn't seeing things, lol. The newer Legends are a very cool rig too but it takes more power to push em. I think the Alpha 21 does low 70's with a 250.

[1FASTLASER]

Yeah originally they ran pretty well. The new ones are very heavy as in like a Ranger but like a Ranger they do very well in bad water.

[zx185]

an old friend had a gambler 19 ft, it had a merc bridgeport with a bart power head and who the f knows what else. he ran 60%110 and 40% 93 (whatever that mixes out to) and on gps had ran up near 120,ph, i think 119 solid number. i was in it with another friend so 3 adults, and gear, on patchaug lake, and we ran either 109 or 113 i cant remember it was one of them numbers. boat was pretty stuuuuupid! definetly made everything at 63-65 mph plus and total dog before that. that was back in the 90's. really wonder what the boat could have done with anything newer today but it was sold off and seperated.

[neveredge]

So your saying a 19 Gambler ran 119MPH? With a Bridgeport merc? No way my friend.

The fastest gamblers were the 19 intimidators of the ealy 90's. With a bone stock 200 Merc and loaded light they could run over 80. Hot boat tested one at 82mph.

Even if you put a 330hp Merc Drag on the back it isn't gonna see 119 though. I am assuming you are quoting nitrous percentages in your post??? Maybe with a 250 shot it might make it but gonna be a real handfull to drive. I have experience with one with a 2.5 260 on the tail and you have to fly it to get it to run fast. Very hard to drive it then and it doesn't run flat at high speed, it runs nose up. Really up, which means it could easily blow over if you keep pushing it.

[Allyda]

So your saying a 19 Gambler ran 119MPH? With a Bridgeport merc? No way my friend.

The fastest gamblers were the 19 intimidators of the ealy 90's. With a bone stock 200 Merc and loaded light they could run over 80. Hot boat tested one at 82mph.

Even if you put a 330hp Merc Drag on the back it isn't gonna see 119 though. I am assuming you are quoting nitrous percentages in your post??? Maybe with a 250 shot it might make it but gonna be a real handfull to drive. I have experience with one with a 2.5 260 on the tail and you have to fly it to get it to run fast. Very hard to drive it then and it doesn't run flat at high speed, it runs nose up. Really up, which means it could easily blow over if you keep pushing it.
I agree this is why I'm satisfied with the 200 on my Shadow Tunnel V. My hull's kevlar and light for a near 21 footer, and on a good day with my Hoss Hyperdrive I'll see 85 flat out (mid to high 70's with my 4 blade fishing props) and even at those speeds I'll avoid running into the wind if blowing enough to tell for fear of blowing over. While I don't know if your talking about one of the Gambler Tunnel V's or not but if so at 119 it had to be nearly airborne at the time running downwind.

Don't get me wrong I really like the gamblers and would love to find one for my next project boat. And they are definately fast. I just don't know about 119 fast without major modifications and the danger of blowing over.

[1FASTLASER]

Allyda and Neveredge.....LOL.....I had to come back to this several times to try and word this correctly....This is what I have

Anything is possible but knowing Gamblers like I do and I aint no expert by no means but I would have to see videoes and documentation to beleive this. I know of SEVERAL fast gamblers....most of them sporting 225 mercs setup and most of them where not stock by no means and mid eighties on the very best days where there limits.ZX185 if you have any videoes PLEASE post them up. I would like to see this.

Still looking for a pic or 2 of a Lightning hull. SOMEONE has to have one SOMEWHERE.........I am goona keep hunting till I find one.

[neveredge]

Laser,

The early 90's 19 footer is a fast hull. I think it is probably the fastest hull Gambler ever made. As I stated it was tested by HOT BOAT magazine and went 82mph. That is faster than the Gambler 20SS ski boat they tested with the same 200 HP motor.

I do not believe for a minute that any Gambler went 119mph.

The 22 footers have run high 80s with 300 pro maxs on the back as tested by B&WB's mag. So an older 20 footer with the lighter hull should be faster with the same power. Just sayin. But most Gamblers I have been around are not very fast compared to other go fast hulls with similar power. Still faster than the cookie cutters though and definitely better looking.

[skeeter91]

maybe ZX185 meant kmh?

[clayton bigsby]

years ago i had a 1987 model ranger that had a merc 2.4 175 on it, for s**t and giggles i put my friends 280 merc on it and saw 102mph out of it. It had more in it, i was getting alittle scare to continue with the nonsense.

[Allyda]

[QUOTE=1FASTLASER;2547385]Allyda and Neveredge.....LOL.....]
Don't know why ya laughed at me I agreed with ya!

[1FASTLASER]

Allyda...check your pm buddy

[Allyda]

Allyda...check your pm buddy
I got it. Bad day, had my boat all loaded up to hit the lake then it poured:mad: Guess I'll try again tomorrow. Same 20% rain chance though...............:eek:

[zx185]

the boat ran in the mid teens on gps. it was a 19ft intimidator. the boat was well known in ct and was from rhode island. unless the goverment is wrong i had been in it triple digits on gps. the thing was far from stock. maybe i am wrong with the outboard? it was a merc with the cowl with the rubber straps to hold it down. believe what you want but the boat was for real. it probably wasnt 119 maybe 113, i honestly cant remember the true # we are talking 15 years ago. i havent talked to the guy in a long time since he got out of tournament fishing, i will try and get ahold of him and get the acurate info. the boat was fast, one of the fastest bass boats i have seen other than allisons in this area back in the 90's.

[Lockjaw]

I'd have to see video to believe a Gambler went 113 mph and didn't blow over.

[Lockjaw]

Here is a video of a gambler running, comparing some 24p to a 25 fury. Notice how high the nose is with the fury pass. That is how gamblers run. Imagine that kind of ride attitude at 100 mph. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EGZCmCOSOA

[Lockjaw]

years ago i had a 1987 model ranger that had a merc 2.4 175 on it, for s**t and giggles i put my friends 280 merc on it and saw 102mph out of it. It had more in it, i was getting alittle scare to continue with the nonsense. Mounted flat to the transom no less...... :nonod:

[Lockjaw]

the boat ran in the mid teens on gps. it was a 19ft intimidator. the boat was well known in ct and was from rhode island. unless the goverment is wrong i had been in it triple digits on gps. the thing was far from stock. maybe i am wrong with the outboard? it was a merc with the cowl with the rubber straps to hold it down. believe what you want but the boat was for real. it probably wasnt 119 maybe 113, i honestly cant remember the true # we are talking 15 years ago. i havent talked to the guy in a long time since he got out of tournament fishing, i will try and get ahold of him and get the acurate info. the boat was fast, one of the fastest bass boats i have seen other than allisons in this area back in the 90's.I wonder what Darrius would say. http://www.allisonboats.com/content/bass-boats/apba-record-2/

[1FASTLASER]

Very well put Lockjaw. By any chance do you happen to remember what Paul Nichols ran in his 17' with a 280 on it. All I can remember is it was triple digits.... Been a few years and I just can't remember

[1FASTLASER]

http://www.bassboatmagazine.com/archive/index.php/t-4017.html

i stand corrected. It wasn't a 17' with a 280 it was a 20' with a 300X and it wasn't official. Only had the on board GPS to verify the 119 mph run. Also a very interesting fact on the ally run ...all official records are a 2way average. The ally actually went 122 and change on one pass. Mr Shook was definaty hooked up.

[tlwjkw]

an old friend had a gambler 19 ft, it had a merc bridgeport with a bart power head and who the f knows what else. he ran 60%110 and 40% 93 (whatever that mixes out to) and on gps had ran up near 120,ph, i think 119 solid number. i was in it with another friend so 3 adults, and gear, on patchaug lake, and we ran either 109 or 113 i cant remember it was one of them numbers. boat was pretty stuuuuupid! definetly made everything at 63-65 mph plus and total dog before that. that was back in the 90's. really wonder what the boat could have done with anything newer today but it was sold off and seperated.
:cheers::reddevil: :reddevil:

[Allyda]

You'd think having gotten a boat set up this well the owner or even a person that bought it would want to keep it together. I know if it were mine I would. Just thinking out loud folks...................

[tlwjkw]

I'd have ta cut it up "before" I had ta make it fact!

[neveredge]

I do remember a triple digit 19 footer but it was just barely over 100 and i am guessing this is the same boat. I do not believe it ever went 113.

As for the Ranger. hmmm...this one is tricky because a 340V set up right with big power could very well break 100mph. They were over 80mph with a 200 and mid 70s with a GT150. So set up right with the right guy driving it it could very well be a true 100mph sleeper. Wouldn't you hate to get passed by a Ranger.

Paul's Bullet was a 17VEE and it had a modded 300 drag on it. He made several passes over 120 with it. For the record runs it was a 20CC. He also had a 20CC Super Comp with a 300X on it that ran way over 100.

[Lockjaw]

You should see his WSP boat now. ;) All black, a CC Bullet and I don't remember what he told me the motor would turn to.

[Lockjaw]

You'd think having gotten a boat set up this well the owner or even a person that bought it would want to keep it together. I know if it were mine I would. Just thinking out loud folks...................
I would have taken that sucker out and sandbagged everyone I could find and win me some money with it is what I would have done. You only gotta go fast enough to win. ;):D

[Lockjaw]

Very well put Lockjaw. By any chance do you happen to remember what Paul Nichols ran in his 17' with a 280 on it. All I can remember is it was triple digits.... Been a few years and I just can't rememberNo I don't, I kinda want to say 117 for some reason. I really like Paul, he did all the machine work and assembly on my little frankeneagle motor. Anyone I run into down around here with a merc issue, I send them Paul's way. He built a 225 pm for a guy in my fishing club, its on a 20 foot CC bullet, and man that sucker gets DOWN!!! I always kid him and call him Top Fuel. It sounds sweet.

[Lockjaw]

Also don't forget "white knuckles" which is a CC Stroker, it runs 100 teens with a 300X.

[1FASTLASER]

Lockjaw u ain't talkin bout Kurt Lytle I think is his last name. The yellow n blue or purple Stroker with a lil ole 300 on it are u. You can watch that one do 109 n change on YouTube and then sling a blade on the next pass
I remember Paul running a 117 and a 119 but I can't tell you for a fact which boat did what. When it comes to setting up a Bullet Paul is king. BAR none.

[Allyda]

Lockjaw u ain't talkin bout Kurt Lytle I think is his last name. The yellow n blue or purple Stroker with a lil ole 300 on it are u. You can watch that one do 109 n change on YouTube and then sling a blade on the next pass
I remember Paul running a 117 and a 119 but I can't tell you for a fact which boat did what. When it comes to setting up a Bullet Paul is king. BAR none.
Yea I think I downloaded that one. Slung a blade and bent the propshaft a little.

[bernie]

Don't remember what year, have to think '96 or '97, we did a project at Lake X with Champion. Biggest thing they had (20 or 21 foot) and slung a pair of 200's on the back - think stock Efi's. Made three of them for some Japanese customers - boats were not staying in the states. Our bogey was to get them over a buck, which we did - like 102-103 range. They were dogs to get on plane, but then they ran on up from there. Don't think I have a pix, but will try to get one from a fellow that worked on the project - pictures at Lake X of anything was big time taboo -

[Lockjaw]

Lockjaw u ain't talkin bout Kurt Lytle I think is his last name. The yellow n blue or purple Stroker with a lil ole 300 on it are u. You can watch that one do 109 n change on YouTube and then sling a blade on the next pass
I remember Paul running a 117 and a 119 but I can't tell you for a fact which boat did what. When it comes to setting up a Bullet Paul is king. BAR none. You are talking Kurt Moerer, his Yellow Stroker went 109. There was a guy whose last name was Hoffman that showed up with a HydroTech Yammie hanging off the back of a stroker and it ran like 113. White Knuckles is a boat that Brent Chapman who has the Lanier Custom Cat and another guy had Chub build. Its white, center console, and has a 300 on the back and I think it has run 117 or 118. It is more like a bay boat, no carpet, it has that textured flooring and lids. See ===> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM8KfLgFmtU
There is actually a video showing 121+, but I can't see the GPS good enough. But that is a guy who posts here regular, its no joke.

[Lockjaw]

Don't remember what year, have to think '96 or '97, we did a project at Lake X with Champion. Biggest thing they had (20 or 21 foot) and slung a pair of 200's on the back - think stock Efi's. Made three of them for some Japanese customers - boats were not staying in the states. Our bogey was to get them over a buck, which we did - like 102-103 range. They were dogs to get on plane, but then they ran on up from there. Don't think I have a pix, but will try to get one from a fellow that worked on the project - pictures at Lake X of anything was big time taboo -
That had one of those in B&WB magazine. Some older guy had one, with 2 counter rotating Merc 200's on the back. I think he claimed similar spends, but I thought they were kinda out of reach given the claimed MPH and the prop pitch. Maybe if he had 1.62 gears, but they never talked about that, and I have a hard time believing it would holeshot very well with those gears and the drag of 2 lowers.

[1FASTLASER]

I remember seeing a pic of a champion with twins. Uh I beleive it's prolly still on another site I used to frequent. I don't think it was the Lake X boat though. That was a wild looking boat. Lol a basser with twins

[Lockjaw]

Yea I think I downloaded that one. Slung a blade and bent the propshaft a little. Between slinging blades and losing cell phones, Kurt was the man.

[1FASTLASER]

Lmao@ lockjaw. Yeah while we talking fast bassers we should have mentioned the LCB already. There has been some pretty decent numbers put up with them. I know of 3 that will break a buck and then some.

[Lockjaw]

Lockjaw u ain't talkin bout Kurt Lytle I think is his last name. The yellow n blue or purple Stroker with a lil ole 300 on it are u. You can watch that one do 109 n change on YouTube and then sling a blade on the next pass
I remember Paul running a 117 and a 119 but I can't tell you for a fact which boat did what. When it comes to setting up a Bullet Paul is king. BAR none. Paul is one of my favorite people. He is really just good as gold, and will shoot you straight. I recommend him highly, especially for Merc work. He is very customer focused, he worked with my and my goofy schedule on my motor, actually had it done ahead of schedule and when I needed it and told him I needed it. He's not the kind of guy you hear people post bad stuff about how he screwed them over like we see here every so often. And his machinist is so knowledgeable. Paul says he can fix anything. I really wanted to do the work myself, but I had to move and just couldn't do it, so I called him, we talked, and then I dropped off my junk, and he turned it into gold. :D I like Sam Jenkin's too. He's a good guy, just not as close to me as Paul. I got a Spanky lower on my boat right now that has been awesome.

[1FASTLASER]

Another boat that deserves mentioning is the Javelins. Shoot I always liked them over there sister boat the Stratos I have a buddy that has one with a 200 Venom that ain't no slouch. Lockjaw what kinda numbers u puttin up?????

[zx185]

ok ok ok i will be the first to admit mistake!!!!!!!!!!! i actually got ahold of my old friend rj, (havent had contact in 15+ years) the gambler DID NOT GO TRIPLE DIGITS i have no idea why i kept thinking that for so long. anyways, 94mph. i was wrong. maybe the stock speedo was mis reading or something, last i was in the boat was 96 or 97???? so it has been a longggg time.

[1FASTLASER]

Lol!!!No fowl ZX185. It was just a tad bit hard trying to figure out what monster of a motor he had strapped to the back Hey but look a at it this way.... You spoke to a fishin buddy u ain't spoke to in a long time and that's ALWAYS great

[tlwjkw]

Don't remember what year, have to think '96 or '97, we did a project at Lake X with Champion. Biggest thing they had (20 or 21 foot) and slung a pair of 200's on the back - think stock Efi's. Made three of them for some Japanese customers - boats were not staying in the states. Our bogey was to get them over a buck, which we did - like 102-103 range. They were dogs to get on plane, but then they ran on up from there. Don't think I have a pix, but will try to get one from a fellow that worked on the project - pictures at Lake X of anything was big time taboo -
They were built in '96. One 21'er had 200 pm's. One 21 had 225's. Didn't do what was expected.............21 was at tha boat show so got a real good look at. It also showed up at TB in east Tex ta show off a little. "Looked" cool but was a let down when he hammered it! Page 3 http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?221103-Twin-Outboard-Bass-boat/page3 There was always tha "ramp bs" of one with 260's but strangely enough it was never seen.................

[Lockjaw]

Another boat that deserves mentioning is the Javelins. Shoot I always liked them over there sister boat the Stratos I have a buddy that has one with a 200 Venom that ain't no slouch. Lockjaw what kinda numbers u puttin up?????I like mine. Its a 17'9'' hull it weighs 1350 pounds according to my literature. I ran 68.9 on the original motor after I put the fast strike carbs on it, and the baker hot heads. That is with this one off Merc 4 blade prop I have. It's always been a fast prop. Now I have a 91 powerhead, same basic set-up, only other mod over the previous motor is I had Monty do the tuner mod. I am running a magnum lower unit now also, and it ran 68.5 this spring with a 24p raker 2. It runs 65 with a 22p raker 2. I haven't tried the funky merc prop with the mag lower. It would run close to 68 on old powerhead with a 24p Fury, which is probably one of the best props out there for a bass boat and tourney fishing. One of these days I am going to pull everything out of it, take off the troller, just have one battery and see what it will do. I think it will easily do 70, maybe more.

[1FASTLASER]

I'm lie you bud. I am sure empty you could hit 70 and prolly get REALLLL close to 75. I dumped everything outta my Tidecraft ( the one with the same basic bottom as the hydrstream) and I run my best number ever. On GPS I got 54.3 with a slightly modded 90 and Raker prop. Shoot u drop 150lbs of batteries 50 lb troller and if your like me AT LEAST 200 lbs of tackle makes a HUGE difference

[Lockjaw]

Yeah I am actually wired in the back where I can run just 2 batteries if I want. I pulled one of them out once, and it didn't make a whole lot of difference. I think pulling the troller off would help a lot though. Lots of wind resistance. I'd really like to put hydraulic steering on there and set the motor back a little more and see what happens. I am 8.5 inches back now, and its definitely faster than it was at 6. Racer told me the magnum lower unit takes a little more power to turn, so I figure I am doing pretty good. It's going to take something pretty dang stout to pass with a 150. Obviously one of those 17 foot bullets would, probably the laser basser, and an Allison. But I think for a cookie cutter production bassboat, mine runs pretty good. Maybe one day I'll stick a modded 150 yammie or send an Eagle off for some port work. I don't really take the boat out so much like I used to. Maybe I'll put some of that speedcoat stuff on there like Randy Howell puts on his boat.

[1FASTLASER]

Y'all have prolly figured out by now I like the smaller bassers. Don't get me wrong if the money was right I'd have a 20XD with at least a 225PM on it. I am chomping at the bit to get my Laser basser complete and splash it again. Originally came with a 115 L6 and was soaked. Yanked it apart and with some modifications going to be lighter but stronger and going with a 2.4 or 2.5 ,15" mid on a 4" plate. Should be able to put most cookie cutters on the trailer with there tails tucked. Reason I like the shorter boats is where I fish....))at the very least you could have an 18'r and still get where I go

[skeeter91]

my skeeter is an 18.5 that run out to 67.5 with just me,light fishing load,and 13gal of gas.i have recently purchased a fresh 235 rude' with a little light porting on the intake side and 76' 644 heads.hoping to get 75-77mph with a 10' jack plate and hyd.steering added.the mid and all the fairings are on there way to paint now,will post pics as soon as it is all screwed together!

[1FASTLASER]

Sounds like u got a game plan Skeeter. What ya running for a motor now?

[skeeter91]

modded gt150 with 1 3/8 carbs,shaved 844 heads,velocity stacks,and a worked over 25p raker with 6in jackplate. she gets up on the pad real nice with all the trim in it it!

[scawd the dog]

White Knuckles STROKER CC with 2 120 mph passes

http://youtu.be/bM8KfLgFmtU

The LCB with a 120 MPH pass....

http://youtu.be/QHWK7aBt-Qw

More to come from both of these .....

[1FASTLASER]

Hey Brent....long time no see...you are one of the LCB's I was referring to in my previous post. Boater7777 is another. Haven't talked to Frugal in awhile. If memory serves me right he was close to or just did break the 100 mark with his

[scawd the dog]

I dont know if Frugal has ran 3 digits or not

[Lockjaw]

Y'all have prolly figured out by now I like the smaller bassers. Don't get me wrong if the money was right I'd have a 20XD with at least a 225PM on it. I am chomping at the bit to get my Laser basser complete and splash it again. Originally came with a 115 L6 and was soaked. Yanked it apart and with some modifications going to be lighter but stronger and going with a 2.4 or 2.5 ,15" mid on a 4" plate. Should be able to put most cookie cutters on the trailer with there tails tucked. Reason I like the shorter boats is where I fish....))at the very least you could have an 18'r and still get where I go I like mine a lot, unless I get on a big lake like Guntersville and its a windy day. I have been out there when it was like being in the ocean, and the pucker factor is pretty high. You know where even going slow, you are jumping waves (which is kinda fun) but the water coming over the transom when you are trying to get on the trailer at the ramp SUCKS!!!

[zx185]

my 99 skeeter zx185 ran fastest just bouncing 71-72 on gps with me in it, 175 carbed vmax. boat was stupid out of the factory and even the dealer didnt get why it ran so fast. hull delammed, 2x6 ft piece came off, they took the boat back and put a new 05 hull under it (zx190 hull) which has rear down turned chines to actually slow the hull cause it was so fast, never played with props or the jack plate, and never had a good prop on the new hull. it normally on a good prop would run 68-69 on gps.

[Allyda]

I'm lie you bud. I am sure empty you could hit 70 and prolly get REALLLL close to 75. I dumped everything outta my Tidecraft ( the one with the same basic bottom as the hydrstream) and I run my best number ever. On GPS I got 54.3 with a slightly modded 90 and Raker prop. Shoot u drop 150lbs of batteries 50 lb troller and if your like me AT LEAST 200 lbs of tackle makes a HUGE difference
I hear ya. I put a 250 lb passenger + extra tackle and provisions it slows me at least 5 mph. My best numbers were running my Hoss HPD with just my 120 lb's, a minumum tackle load before I installed my new carpet (I took her out twice last year with a bare floor).

Hey guys I don't remember if anyone's mentioned the Swift yet? I always liked them -had a unique look and would pull good numbers too.

[1FASTLASER]

Sometimes I think Yamaha liked to ah wit there motors every so often. I had a buddy that had a ProV 150 that ran like a juiced 200.

[Lockjaw]

I think there was a guy over on BBC years ago who had an xpress x-19 with a 200 HPDI yammie and it was stupid fast, and he found out for some reason it had a 250 powerhead on it. I could never be that lucky.......

[Brian Harden]

Here are a couple pics of some of my past bassers. Back in the day my family's dealership sold lots of different bass boats. I would always pick one to have built for my demo to tear up the lakes on Saturday mornings at the tournament blast offs. It was good for business to outrun everybody else. The first picture is a 1993 Bumble Bee 180V. The second is a 1996 Stratos 285 Pro XL. The Stratos was a "special layup option" and the bottom was worked by Alan Stinson himself. I ran the same "slightly" modified 2.0L on both of these boats. The Bumble Bee ran a best of 84.1 and the Stratos ran 86.4 on a Stalker radar gun. I sent a ton of 90-100mph boats back to the trailer with these two.:D
:cheers:
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/bdharden/bassboats_zps65f0333a.jpg (http://s268.photobucket.com/user/bdharden/media/bassboats_zps65f0333a.jpg.html)

[Lockjaw]

I'd like to know what was done to the mercury.....

[tlwjkw]

Was replaced with a "oval port" powerhead. Ya gotta remember, this is a "fishermans" thread..............

[Brian Harden]

I'd like to know what was done to the mercury.....


Was replaced with a "oval port" powerhead. Ya gotta remember, this is a "fishermans" thread..............

OK, I got the doubt and sarcasm, but these were not the same boats that rolled off the assembly line everyday. I also ran them with no trolling motor or trolling motor batteries and no gear. My roots with Merc go back to 1961 when my Dad first went to Merc school. He became a Merc Master Tech in 1972 and opened his own boat dealership in 1980(when I was 8). So this was not our first go round with building an engine.

If I can find it, I have video of the first day I ran the Stratos. In the video you can see the radar around 83mph. After a year of playing with the setup I hit the 86.4. If I can find the video and figure out how to post it up I will.

The engine started as a 1978 175 block which had good porting and exhaust chest cut, 7 peddle front end, wh-22 carbs, heads cut to 175lbs compression, light flywheel, and the usual solid mounts, open exhaust, and coned lower. The prop was a DAH modified 27SRX and the engine turned it around 6900RPM.

[1FASTLASER]

Was replaced with a "oval port" powerhead. Ya gotta remember, this is a "fishermans" thread..............
Lol dayum tlwjkw we like to run too. Lol

[Allyda]

The engine started as a 1978 175 block which had good porting and exhaust chest cut, 7 peddle front end, wh-22 carbs, heads cut to 175lbs compression, light flywheel, and the usual solid mounts, open exhaust, and coned lower. The prop was a DAH modified 27SRX and the engine turned it around 6900RPM.
I can believe it, with a few mods those old 2.0's would scream!:eek:

[1FASTLASER]

I rani to one of them Bee's back when I lived by Table Rock when I had my first Procraft. Tourney loaded I ran mid to high 60's but never will forget the spanking I got from the Bee. Don't know what was under the cowel .... I got him on holeshot but that was IT ....

[Allyda]

The dealer I used to work for back in the day used to sell BB's. I got to rig a few of em. They were the first tournament class boat I got a really good look at, and the boat that got me hooked on bassers. I never could afford one of the Bee's but my first basser was a customer's trade in on one, -a very green metalflake Glastron 17' 6" V hull I ended up putting a Johnson 175 on. Boat was heavy and w/o jackplate would barely do 60 but I was 19 with my 1st basser and on top of the world.

I wouldn't mind finding an older Bee for a project boat.

[Brian Harden]

The 180V Bumble Bee hull was VERY similar to a 20' Bullet and the 2100 Bumble Bee was VERY similar to the 21' Bullet. Both of these Bees would run pretty good. I have found my old videos, I just have to find a VCR that still works and see if I can copy them to post. I forgot that I also have video of the Bumble Bee.

[Allyda]

I would like to see just for nostalgic reasons if possible. I know though sometimes getting older VCR tapes converted into a format to post can be difficult.

[tlwjkw]

I would always pick one to have built for my demo to tear up the lakes on Saturday mornings at the tournament blast offs. It was good for business to outrun everybody else. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/bdharden/bassboats_zps65f0333a.jpg (http://s268.photobucket.com/user/bdharden/media/bassboats_zps65f0333a.jpg.html)
This just made it sound like you was goin' fishin' which we both know neither one would run like that with any of tha "junk" in it. That's what I thought anyway...............

[Brian Harden]

This just made it sound like you was goin' fishin' which we both know neither one would run like that with any of tha "junk" in it. That's what I thought anyway...............

No problem tlwjkw.:thumbsup: Even with boat stripped down I still had guys with Rangers, Bass Cats, Skeeters, etc who thought they were running 85mph who would come and jump on me. After they started to fuss about no trolling motor, batteries, etc. I finally took an old OMC troller I had and gutted all the magnets, armature, and steering and mounted it on the boat. I got my Interstate battery rep to get me two empty trolling motor battery cases and strapped them in the trays. Now I had a true "fishin" boat. :D

[tlwjkw]

No problem tlwjkw.:thumbsup: Even with boat stripped down I still had guys with Rangers, Bass Cats, Skeeters, etc who thought they were running 85mph who would come and jump on me. :D
They're out there still today! But nowdays they're runin' inta tha 90's + !!! I know ya can make "any" of 'em run but a gutted 2 liter really isn't to happy with weight (like most hot rods)..............But then again you can make a brick fly with enough horse power. ie: F4 ............Later

[Allyda]

The 180V Bumble Bee hull was VERY similar to a 20' Bullet and the 2100 Bumble Bee was VERY similar to the 21' Bullet. Both of these Bees would run pretty good. I have found my old videos, I just have to find a VCR that still works and see if I can copy them to post. I forgot that I also have video of the Bumble Bee.
I always thought they looked similar but wasn't sure. I ran into a 21' Bullet driven by a visiting pro angler last time at the dock on Duval. It was powered by a 250 Opti and man it was a sweet ride. Boat was immaculate -not a scratch on it. Trailer too. It was one of the yellow-ish trimmed ones. Trailer was yellow too & he pulled it with a wrapped (advertisements) van. He and a buddy pulled up to the dock as I was getting ready to launch around 1 pm or so.

[Brian Harden]

Here are the videos. I apoligize for the quality as I used my phone to video the TV screen. The sound is real low for some reason so you will have to turn your speakers way up. I also apoligize for the mullet that I should have cut by this time. :D
:cheers:

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http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/bdharden/Mobile%20Uploads/th_trimFQqyAy_zpsda299b6b.jpg (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/bdharden/Mobile%20Uploads/trimFQqyAy_zpsda299b6b.mp4)

[Allyda]

Right on man! Your video of the Bee brought back memories.:thumbsup: I could see the radar gun in the stroker video clear as well. I noticed a little chine walk there with the stroker on the one pass. Powered right through it though.:cheers:

I've still got this darn trim gauge issue with mine. I started a thread on it in the appropriate area a month ago but no one answered it, frustrating. anyway thanks again for the video's!

[Blk max]

1988 venture 175 blk max 6 inch jack plate drilled lower sounds mean lol

[1FASTLASER]

What's up with ur trim gauge Allyda??

[178BumbleBee]

Awesome picture and video of the B.B. I love Bumble Bee's im runnin a 1990 model v178 w/ a 150 right now love the boat! fixing to have to sell though but my next boat will be a Bumble Bee 180 or if funds allow.....a Bullet lol
heres my Bee out for sale were i live.

286791

[Allyda]

What's up with ur trim gauge Allyda??
Either I got a bad gauge, or my sending unit's bad, or I'm still hooking it up wrong. Mine has a setup similar to the one in the attached photo below; a dual relay unit as depicted in this 1987 t & t wiring diagram (mine's an 86 -couldn't find one for that year). What's wierd is the two wires coming off my sender are both black, as I believe they are in this diagram, however I cannot find a black & tan wire anywhere to hook to the "S" post on the gauge. so which one do I use? I tried following the wire on mine to the same position as the one in this diagram but when hooked up no matter where the motor is, it says it's all the way down/trimmed negative.:(:mad::eek:

[skeeter91]

Either I got a bad gauge, or my sending unit's bad, or I'm still hooking it up wrong. Mine has a setup similar to the one in the attached photo below; a dual relay unit as depicted in this 1987 t & t wiring diagram (mine's an 86 -couldn't find one for that year). What's wierd is the two wires coming off my sender are both black, as I believe they are in this diagram, however I cannot find a black & tan wire anywhere to hook to the "S" post on the gauge. so which one do I use? I tried following the wire on mine to the same position as the one in this diagram but when hooked up no matter where the motor is, it says it's all the way down/trimmed negative.:(:mad::eek:

i had this same problem with mine,the gauge was bad!

[Allyda]

i had this same problem with mine,the gauge was bad!
I'm beginning to think it's either that or my sending unit is bad. My sending unit looks like new though, and the gauge itself is new so I'm about at my whits end with this thing!:mad::mad:

[skeeter91]

if you have a volt meter,you can use the resistance setting to check the sending unit,as it is a potentiometer that uses resistance to send the signal to the gauge.if you dont see an increase or decrease in the reading on the meter as you move the sending unit arm,then the sender is bad.i hope this helps!

[Allyda]

if you have a volt meter,you can use the resistance setting to check the sending unit,as it is a potentiometer that uses resistance to send the signal to the gauge.if you dont see an increase or decrease in the reading on the meter as you move the sending unit arm,then the sender is bad.i hope this helps!
Yes it does immensly. Now that I know how it works I'll be able to test the circut and determine if it's the gauge, sending unit,or I've just got it hooked up wrong.

I've figured out one thing, you can't just ground the gauge as you would others normally. I believe ya gotta use one of the two black wires coming off the sender for the ground and the other for the sense if that's how it works, which tells me I have it hooked up wrong at the moment. Again, thanks!:thumbsup::cheers:

[skeeter91]

thats correct.one of the wires from the sender goes to the ground and the other to the "s" on the gauge.if you hook them backwards,the gauge will read backwards.also,make sure your sender is grounded to the transom bracket via one of the mounting screws too.good luck!

[Allyda]

thats correct.one of the wires from the sender goes to the ground and the other to the "s" on the gauge.if you hook them backwards,the gauge will read backwards.also,make sure your sender is grounded to the transom bracket via one of the mounting screws too.good luck!
Yup, that's what I've been doing wrong then. I'll run another wire tomorrow and get it hooked up right finally. Couldn't mess with it today had too many other things around the house to do, lol

[mickeyjr]

Heres one thats never seen bad weather


This pic is a few yrs old, got got outside in a freak snowstorm,http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k615/cajunmerc/Hydrostream%20Varmint/HydrostreamVarmint007.jpg

[Capt.Insane-o]

^^^^ nice!

[mickeyjr]

A better pic
http://i41.tinypic.com/2j5xg1f.jpg

[1FASTLASER]

Dayum!!! Good looking boat Mickey. How does she run?

[Lockjaw]

That looks sorta like Spanky's shop, Nice looking boat, always liked that style of Mercury cowl the best.

[Allyda]

A better pic
http://i41.tinypic.com/2j5xg1f.jpg
Cool lookin boat but speaking as a fisherman how is the storage?, fishability?

[mickeyjr]

That particular boat is built as a "comp" model, it doesnt have the forward live well like most Varmints.
Fishing from one is not bad considering what it is, especially if you're up front.

[rcfreek]

That particular boat is built as a "comp" model, it doesnt have the forward live well like most Varmints.
Fishing from one is not bad considering what it is, especially if you're up front.
how fast is it and how much $ is it going for?

[Allyda]

That particular boat is built as a "comp" model, it doesnt have the forward live well like most Varmints.
Fishing from one is not bad considering what it is, especially if you're up front.
Thanks I was just curious. I bet it's fast though.

[mickeyjr]

how fast is it and how much $ is it going for?

You'd have to ask the owner those questions for exact answers, but I'm sure it runs 90+ with the right wheel on it. As for price, IDK.... if it doesnt go to Minneapolis, it'll likely end up on here in 'hulls under 20'

[tlwjkw]

Does this one count? But its far from tha norm "Laser".........

[1FASTLASER]

Does this one count? But its far from tha norm "Laser".........
Oh hell yeah!!!!! Is that one of yours tlwjkw?????

[tlwjkw]

Was for many years. Friend talked me outta of durin' a BS session and won't give it back. Still workin' on that though........This is what it is now. Still pretty quick with tha plain jane 200 on it...............Oh yeah, ALL tha glass/gel n parts are still ORGINAL............

[TEXAS20225]

WHAT:eek: say it aint so :rolleyes: getting it back ???? :eek:

[tlwjkw]

Been tryin' ever since I sold last Allison and Bullet but its like pullin' a wild cats tooth. He don't wanna give it up!

[1FASTLASER]

Was for many years. Friend talked me outta of durin' a BS session and won't give it back. Still workin' on that though........This is what it is now. Still pretty quick with tha plain jane 200 on it...............Oh yeah, ALL tha glass/gel n parts are still ORGINAL............
Well I tell ya this..... I certainly am jealous. Everything still original makes it awesome. I wasn't so lucky when I bought mine but when I'm done I know it will be ready for anything for alonnng time

[Allyda]

Been tryin' ever since I sold last Allison and Bullet but its like pullin' a wild cats tooth. He don't wanna give it up!I'm not too familiar with Laser's so I can only guess by the model number. I'd rather be correct though so, How long it that boat? Looks to be about 16' - 17' from the photo but......

[TEXAS20225]

ok 17'10 was custom built at the time with a 3rd stringer down the middle it was solid as a rock when Tommy had it this would be the third time he has owned it. its had many motas on it sum ob um was plenty nasty:reddevil:But some of the Allys and Bullets was plenty nasty too

[tlwjkw]

17' 10", 2550. Build was "supervised" by ole time (notice tha tach snorkel) "Texas Twister", SDBA racer in '85............He quite racin' in '87 and I ended up with it............

[tlwjkw]

Well I tell ya this..... I certainly am jealous. Everything still original makes it awesome. I wasn't so lucky when I bought mine but when I'm done I know it will be ready for anything for alonnng time

Yeah, Most of are "almost" as bad as Streams..........

[Allyda]

17' 10", 2550. Build was "supervised" by ole time (notice tha tach snorkel) "Texas Twister", SDBA racer in '85............He quite racin' in '87 and I ended up with it............
She looks super nice -and fast too
I bet with a 200 on her. What did you have on it when it was yours?

[tlwjkw]

Had so many different motors/gearcases we probably wore out 10 sets a 1/2" bolts n nuts and that's being on tha light side. Justa 'bout every Merc V6 'cept a 280. That was next but I let it go before I tried it........

[Allyda]

Had so many different motors/gearcases we probably wore out 10 sets a 1/2" bolts n nuts and that's being on tha light side. Justa 'bout every Merc V6 'cept a 280. That was next but I let it go before I tried it........:eek:WoW!:eek: I can just imagine a 280 on that. I think it would skim across the water on the bullet:D Two guys sittin on the dock as you fly by: "hey man, what was that?" the other says, "I don't know -you see somthin'":eek::thumbsup: what a ride that would be.....

[tlwjkw]

One of tha more starchy 260's was a hand full. Damn sure kept ya on ya toes. It does have dual "opposed" steerin' though. Something ya didn't see on a "bass boat"........Hyd was still in testin' stages on tha hot rods. Us old guys didn't like it anyway.......

[Allyda]

One of tha more starchy 260's was a hand full. Damn sure kept ya on ya toes. It does have dual "opposed" steerin' though. Something ya didn't see on a "bass boat"........Hyd was still in testin' stages on tha hot rods. Us old guys didn't like it anyway.......I've been told by an old racer friend that I should move one of my steering cables to the other side. I of course informed him that wa impossible unless I wanted to pull up my floor again, which, aint happening. He also told me he didn't care for hydraukic steering.

[tlwjkw]

Not hard. Both cables go out tha same side. Only difference is tha location of cable racks. One goes on top of pinion shaft and tha other goes on bottom. Walah! Push-pull............

[Fear And Loathing]

287668287669My Bullet with 225 pro max 82 gps.

[Allyda]

Not hard. Both cables go out tha same side. Only difference is tha location of cable racks. One goes on top of pinion shaft and tha other goes on bottom. Walah! Push-pull............Well, while it might make steering less stiff at high speeds, I don't drive that fast all the time. At around 50-55 mph it steers almost as easy as my truck does. It's only when I get in the upper 70's that steering gets a little hard. But even then I can easily control my boat and of course, I let off the throttle when making turns. I'll wait til my next re-power and get a hydraulic unit. I'm currently looking at a 225 Yammy HPDI that needs it's powerhead rebuilt or replaced. If I can swing it I'll take my time rebuilding it while I run the motor that's on her for the next year (and there's also the XB21 I'm looking for for my next project).

I did just recently aqquire myself a new digital wireless Motorguide V75 trolling motor. Man it's going to be nice when I get it here and get it installed -no more straining my legs, and I can control it from anywhere on the boat. Know anyone who needs a working MG Tour 82# that needs a little TLC? I'll be placing it up for sale soon.

[south599]

287668287669My Bullet with 225 pro max 82 gps.
nice love the red

[Allyda]

287668287669My Bullet with 225 pro max 82 gps.Very nice indeed!:thumbsup:

[rudeshadow]

i was looking at your shadow i have an 89 20ft tunnel hull shadow got it with a old 235 rude but have done some work to it. now it has a built 90 johnson 200 looper makes 280 plus now 12in manual plate bobs cone 14 1/2 x 29 cleaver with me in it 91 mph gps with 2 people 80 mph these boat dont like weight as with most tunnel hulls . mine was built in friendsville tn yes the good ones were built in tn . allisons are fast boat but if you remember the shadow out ran the ally one year and held worlds fastest bass boat for a year my father worked for them when they were in friendsville tn he had his hand in building my boat . she has more in her but shes fast right now.

[tlwjkw]

but if you remember the shadow out ran the ally one year and held worlds fastest bass boat for a year

And this was when?

[Allyda]

i was looking at your shadow i have an 89 20ft tunnel hull shadow got it with a old 235 rude but have done some work to it. now it has a built 90 johnson 200 looper makes 280 plus now 12in manual plate bobs cone 14 1/2 x 29 cleaver with me in it 91 mph gps with 2 people 80 mph these boat dont like weight as with most tunnel hulls . mine was built in friendsville tn yes the good ones were built in tn . allisons are fast boat but if you remember the shadow out ran the ally one year and held worlds fastest bass boat for a year my father worked for them when they were in friendsville tn he had his hand in building my boat . she has more in her but shes fast right now.As you may know from reading the threads on here, I have an 86 kevlar hull Shadow 20' 8" Tunnel Vee powered by an 86 200 XP looper. My boat was also built in Friendsville Tennessee. On the Starboard side just after the large "Shadow" logo mine has a name (too faded to make out) and inderneath it it says "Worlds Fastest Bass Boat" (also a bit faded but I expect it to come out more when I start buffing). This is only on the drivers side. I'd really like to hear if your Father can shed some more truthful light on my boat's history?

I'd also be much appreciated if you'd let me know if the notch (in the rear between the transom and pad) on yours is vented with your rear livewell overflow exit as most Shadows newer than mine I've seen are (mine's not vented and it seems like I get stuck to the water for a few moments when planing off, so I'm thinking of putting a vent in. Right now my rear livewell overflow exits on Starboard side underneath the "S" on logo).

I can get low 80's with mine with just me aboard, 1/2 tank of gas, and a light tackle load of 10 rods/reels, my personal tackle bag, and 1 small coleman cooler (I use boats cooler between seats for storage & extra Starter I carry aboard), running my HOSS Hyperdrive 15 x 28p. 3 blade (I have a 14 x 28p. Triton too but haven't had chance to run it yet). With my 4 blades I get mid to upper 70's.

Oh, if you don't mind I'd like to see some photos of your Shadow especially your bilge area if you can?

If you'd prefer to PM me with the info that's OK.

I appreciate and thank you in advance for any info you can provide.:cheers:

[rudeshadow]

1986 the shadow out ran the Allison for Wolds fastest bass boat it happened

[tlwjkw]

Show me tha time, place and who did tha timin'. Bubba's Boat Show don't count........

[TEXAS20225]

Man you shoulda starter that story with once upon a time :nonod:

[timmc6]

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Man you shoulda starter that story with once upon a time :nonod:
I think I will stay tuned to this thread, I have a Allison period correct,1987 it runs 100 with a 2.4 oval port ,tim:)

[Corona Mike]

And this was when?

I'm Gong To Say It Was Some Time 84' Or Possibly 85...86' The XB2002 Came Out...End Of Shadow Being "Worlds Fastest Bass Boat" Funny Thing Was, Every Shadow Had In Great Big Stickers "Worlds Fastest Bass Boat" On The Side. I Think They Ran 101 (+/-) Can't Remember Exactly. As Far Sa Where...From What I Remember It Was In Knoxville. They Lost The Record In Both Clewiston In 86', And Worse In Knoxville In 87'

[tlwjkw]

Someone is gonna need ta "show me". World Records come with PAPER WORK period. They're set with clocks and timed not with a bunch a good ole boys and radar gun. I've even seen where it was tha 18 footer with some kinda wild Suzuki motor that he has in his garage. I've seen Laser, HydroStream, HydroSport, and even Stratus "on tha books" but nowhere (apba, uim, noa, aoa etc.) have I seen Shadow..........Its always been a thread "story". Show me and I'll gladly "YEILD"..........just sayin'.

[timmc6]

Someone is gonna need ta "show me". World Records come with PAPER WORK period. They're set with clocks and timed not with a bunch a good ole boys and radar gun. I've even seen where it was tha 18 footer with some kinda wild Suzuki motor that he has in his garage. I've seen Laser, HydroStream, HydroSport, and even Stratus "on tha books" but nowhere (apba, uim, noa, aoa etc.) have I seen Shadow..........Its always been a thread "story". Show me and I'll gladly "YEILD"..........just sayin'.
Very true on the paper work,I know Dave Hensley got the apba cerfticate with the Jaco xb02 he has,tim

[Corona Mike]

I Don't Exactly Know Who Would Have Paper work...I Believe But Can't Remember Exactly... Louis Collins Name Comes To Mind. Boat Was Red And White. Couldn't Walk On Any Decks, Rod Lockers Were Paper Thin But IT DID! Set A NOA Record. Like I Said, 1984/1985 Years Come To Mind. I Saw The Boat In Clewiston. XR02'Handed It's $hit To it! If I Remember Correctly, Mr. Collins Helped Start The Shadow Boat Company. They DID Sneak Up On Everyone And Set A Record. Didn't Hold It Long But, I For One, Give The Devil It's Due...Just Not For Long. BTW. Darris Can Tell You All About It! In Knoxville We...Rick Sissle And Me...Destroyed That Record! Ran 111.944 With A Stock 2.4 Mariner. Heads Had NEVER Been Off The Motor! Since It Came From The Factory! BTW, It WOULD Run Faster Than That! Glen Reynolds Ran 114++ With A Modified Motor. NOA Would Allow Any Coned Case As Long As It Shifted. The "Jacos Boat" Had A 96' drag On It Which, APBA Wouldn't Allow Any Gear Case Mods...It Ran A CLE So, The Record It Set Was Some-What Less Than The Boat Was Capable Of In My Opinion. Funny Thing Is, Couple Of Years Back, I Ask The Question Was There Any Difference In The OLD XB02's And The Newer XB02's...Nobody Knew! There Was! The Older Boats Were MUCH Lighter...Full Of Balsa!... Less "Pad Lip", And The Floor In Front Of The Rear Seat Dropped Down About 4". Plus The 1st XB02's Were All VERY FAST!! My 95' Model Boat Is O.K. But, With The Horsepower It Has, It Should Be WAY Faster... The 1st. Ones, With Current Motors...260's/280's And Heaven Forbid, A DRAG! Hell No Tellin' Just How Fast They Would Be! But, Long Story, In My opinion, Louis Collins Most Likely Has The Proof That A Shadow DID In Fact Hold A NOA Record...If Just For A VERY Short Time!!

[tlwjkw]

Seen and read most of what your sayin' but Shadow seems ta be left out in all tha print. Jay Cox built tha first one out of a wrecked pointed stv if memory is right. Collins supposedly drove it......."Short time"? Musta been so short it never made it ta print for that year..................

[timmc6]

I went and looked at the apba records and seen lasers in 1984&85 held a couple but no shadows,mike where are the noa s. Kept,just curious,tim

[Corona Mike]

1ST. I Got No Dog In This Hunt. I Know That #1) I Would LOVE To Have Ricks Old XB02' Back. #2) They Did Hold A Record For About A Year. #3) Jay Cox Is The Guy I Couldn't Remember...Knew There Was Somebody Beside Louis Just Couldn't Remember His Name. Guy Here In Tampa/Seffner, Was A Dealer. Had The Red And White Boat In His Show Room Couple Weeks Before The Clewiston KELO Run. I Remember Thinking That Wasn't A Bass Boat! Hell It Was An All Out RACE Boat! A Month After The 87' Knoxville KELO Race, We Were Fishin' Out Of Ricks Boat! Now I Know For A Fact, That Many Of The NOA Records Were Lost/Misplaced And No Longer Show Up When You Look For Them. Don't Know Why. Shadows Weren't A Bad Boat...Pretty Fast, Plenty Of Room. But, A Fishin' Model The "Worlds Fastest Bass Boat" NOT..........

[Corona Mike]

I went and looked at the apba records and seen lasers in 1984&85 held a couple but no shadows,mike where are the noa s. Kept,just curious,tim

I'm Going To Say, In Knoxville. Not Exactly Sure Who Would Have Them. Nancy Allison Would Know For Sure. The APBA Records Kind-Of Came In At Different Times. They Would Run Bass Boat's One Year, And Not The Next. That Was A NOA Record I'm Sure Of That.

[tlwjkw]

Oh well. Its cold and nothin' else ta talk about. Gonna be a long winter...................:leaving:

[Corona Mike]

Oh well. Its cold and nothin' else ta talk about. Gonna be a long winter...................:leaving:

COLD?? Hell It's 78+ Here! I'm Headin' To The Lighted Boat Parade...Hope Santa's "Elves" Have There Tini Bikinie's On!!!:eek::eek::cheers::cheers:

[tlwjkw]

We're thinking farther east n south right now. On Pensacola beach. Nice yesterday but went ta **** today..........

[Allyda]

Seen and read most of what your sayin' but Shadow seems ta be left out in all tha print. Jay Cox built tha first one out of a wrecked pointed stv if memory is right. Collins supposedly drove it......."Short time"? Musta been so short it never made it ta print for that year..................Though I own a Shadow I'll be the first to admit Allison is the best bass boat built. I like the XB21 and am currently looking for one for my next project. Allisons are also the fastest. However my Shadow HP for HP will hold it's own against most average bassers. As far as records, I've never seen where Shadow held one either. On the other site I belong to a buddy and I tote the Allison banner during discussions like this.

Heck, I'm adding a deck extension to mine that will add an extra 100-150 lb's. It will be removeable though for when I have youngsters aboard so they don't have to be up on the casting decks. I'm sure it's gonna slow me down some, but I rarely drive my boat WOT cause I'm a fisherman first, speed afficionado second. I do think Jay Cox deserves some credit for building a fast boat though. That's hard to do in your first few years building boats. Being he used to work for Allison I'm sure the hull design was influenced by them a little. However in my opinion, Allison is now and I expect will in the near future, be the "fastest bass boat.":thumbsup:

I do enjoy hearing about some of the history behind my boat both good and bad, hearing about it's faults helps let me know what I need to modify and correct.

[tlwjkw]

I agree with that but gets under my skin when speed is touted and used for sellin' stuff. Ta me its worse than claimin' a "splash" as your own............Hell, its hard enough ta build and maintain a good runnin' hot rod as it is.....And yeah, we all know who builds tha absolute best boat out there :reddevil:...........jmo

[south599]

Have you seen allisons new XST? its on their website. They seem to be re-entering the realm of side console "low price" relatively speaking fishing boats. This boat looks to be a terrific design. However, I still prefer the bullet deck layout especially the newer SS(my favorite) and XRS. I also wish one of the fast boat companies would go back into producing an 18ft boat that get crazy mileage an performance because its annoying listening to a commercial about the cookie cutter boats saying their stuff is awesome and gets this super gas mileage and blistering performance that is no different from the mileage i get with 30 year old 17v and johnson. plus they are super slow.

[Allyda]

Down the line I plan on going over the top half of metalflake with clearcoat (gel or Emron) so before doing that I'll be wet sanding -I'm confident the only word left on the side after that will be "Shadow." I wouldn't mind finding out who's name that is on the side though first. But other than my curiosity I say "good riddance!" I bought the boat to fish out of, not race.

[RiceKiller]

Have you seen allisons new XST? its on their website. They seem to be re-entering the realm of side console "low price" relatively speaking fishing boats. This boat looks to be a terrific design. However, I still prefer the bullet deck layout especially the newer SS(my favorite) and XRS. I also wish one of the fast boat companies would go back into producing an 18ft boat that get crazy mileage an performance because its annoying listening to a commercial about the cookie cutter boats saying their stuff is awesome and gets this super gas mileage and blistering performance that is no different from the mileage i get with 30 year old 17v and johnson. plus they are super slow.

My 21ft XTB Allison with a 225 promax gets over 5 mile to the gallon when I keep it around 65

[Allyda]

Nah I haven't seen the new XST's yet. I'll have ta go to their site and check them out.

[rudeshadow]

everyone could look up records and say jay Cox used this and that I know were the boat is that beat the ally my father did r&d for them at that time I can tell you were the hull design came from but you will just have something else to say and being I'm not far from stroker sprayed some gel for them and if you haven't been in one take a ride in my book that is the fastest bass boat hands down but my shadow bass boat runs with any bass boat out there I prove it every week I run my boat and turn alot of heads I will see if dad still has everything from 86 when shadow did that and he has an old laser that thing is a hand full but wicked fast there no joke ally has made a name for its self with fast boat I like Allison but hey shadow beat them one year the next ally made the shadow look slow all I'm if dad still has that stuff I'm sure he does I will post it

[rudeshadow]

tell ya what I will get with the old timers around here Allison and shadow people and find out for sure I know alot of people that had something to do with both company's we have all worked for one or the other at one time

[tlwjkw]

No bother. I'll take Mikes word on it cause I know some of tha NOA stuff went away for whatever reason for some of those years. He gimme enough information ta jar some of tha old, burnt up cells loose. That first boat was driven by Colins and came from a busted up stv. Pretty sure it was tha year before tha 02 came out. Don't get me started on tha Laser. It was and still is my favorite..........They make life "exciting".

[onemortime]

I just got reading this post. I bought a 84 laser bass from s/f member a couple years ago. It had a bad transom,stringers,knees,deck,but the hull was perfect.l took it to a local boat repair shop and had him to replace all the bad wood with cosaboard. Then had him repaint from the water line up with imrom paint and buff the bottom of the boat. I sandblasted the trailer and primed , repainted, new rims,new tires,wiring,lights,new bunks,carpet,etc. Rebuilt a 2.4 bp to factory specs (carb,7 peddle) bobs nose cone , 1.87 gears with a masco 29p re chopper prop o/s cut. It is running 91mph @ 5900 rpms and still a lot more pedal left . My next project is a 86 vt shadow bass boat.

[Allyda]

I just got reading this post. I bought a 84 laser bass from s/f member a couple years ago. It had a bad transom,stringers,knees,deck,but the hull was perfect.l took it to a local boat repair shop and had him to replace all the bad wood with cosaboard. Then had him repaint from the water line up with imrom paint and buff the bottom of the boat. I sandblasted the trailer and primed , repainted, new rims,new tires,wiring,lights,new bunks,carpet,etc. Rebuilt a 2.4 bp to factory specs (carb,7 peddle) bobs nose cone , 1.87 gears with a masco 29p re chopper prop o/s cut. It is running 91mph @ 5900 rpms and still a lot more pedal left . My next project is a 86 vt shadow bass boat.I'd like to see a photo of both your Laser and especially the 86 VT Shadow.:thumbsup:

[1FASTLASER]

Me n u both Allyda!!!!!!

[Corona Mike]

Kind'A Funny Back...WAY BACK...There Was A Guy Here In The Area, I Think He Actually Lived Over In New Port Richy, That Had The Dealer Here In Tampa Order A SUPER LIGHT Laser Bass Boat...Seems Like It Was A $hit Brown Medal Flake Boat. Couldn't Even Walk On The Decks! Guy's Name Was Danny Zinzer..Mite Have Spelled His Last Name Wrong. He Loved The Damn Thing! He Bought A Couple Of Shadows And Last Time I Saw Him, He Had Bought And Sold A XR02 Allison...It Was Brown And Tan He Liked Brown I Guess. He Had One Of The Only "Dick-O-Dey" 2.4 Motors In The Area. Never Set Any Records Or Anything Like That But, Use To Get PLENTY Of Attention At Bass Tournoments...Had A Super Small...With The Motor Removed... Trolling Motor Kind Of Mounted On The Deck! If We Would Have Had Any Drag Races Back Then...This Was Even Before The Citrus Drag Boat Club In Crystal River Barge Canal Which Started In 87'/88'...He Would Have Done Very Well. He Tried Racing The Allison But, He Couldn't Drive For $hit! Long Time Ago...Funny Thing Was, The Guy That Sold Him The Laser, Also Sold The Shadows, Had A SUPER LIGHT HydraStream Bass Boat...From What I Remember It Weighed Less Than 400-lbs...Got A Couple Of Allisons, ETC...Pretty Cool Guy! If It Was Fast, He'd Get It For You If You Had The $$$

[tlwjkw]

Kinda like this one............

[Corona Mike]

Kinda like this one............


Yea' But Ol' Danny Went All Out To Make It "Look" Like A Bass Boat! Cool Little Ol' Boat...He Got Caught Across Kissimmee In One Of Those BAD Winter Storms! Liked To Have Not Made It Back! Light Was Good...Long As You Were Racin' Not Worth Much In Rough Water!!

[Corona Mike]

Now I Remember...He Had A Standard Normal Lay-Up Model That He'd Fish Out Of...He Just Brought The Light Boat Out To Mess With Guys...Mostly Me And My Partner...We'd Catch Him In Bad Water With Our Old 18' Allisons And It Wasn't Much Of A Race BUT! If He Caught Us In Good Water And He Had That Light Boat....We Usually Finished 2nd!

[Allyda]

Kind'A Funny Back...WAY BACK...There Was A Guy Here In The Area, I Think He Actually Lived Over In New Port Richy, That Had The Dealer Here In Tampa Order A SUPER LIGHT Laser Bass Boat...Seems Like It Was A $hit Brown Medal Flake Boat. Couldn't Even Walk On The Decks! Guy's Name Was Danny Zinzer..Mite Have Spelled His Last Name Wrong. He Loved The Damn Thing! He Bought A Couple Of Shadows And Last Time I Saw Him, He Had Bought And Sold A XR02 Allison...It Was Brown And Tan He Liked Brown I Guess. He Had One Of The Only "Dick-O-Dey" 2.4 Motors In The Area. Never Set Any Records Or Anything Like That But, Use To Get PLENTY Of Attention At Bass Tournoments...Had A Super Small...With The Motor Removed... Trolling Motor Kind Of Mounted On The Deck! If We Would Have Had Any Drag Races Back Then...This Was Even Before The Citrus Drag Boat Club In Crystal River Barge Canal Which Started In 87'/88'...He Would Have Done Very Well. He Tried Racing The Allison But, He Couldn't Drive For $hit! Long Time Ago...Funny Thing Was, The Guy That Sold Him The Laser, Also Sold The Shadows, Had A SUPER LIGHT HydraStream Bass Boat...From What I Remember It Weighed Less Than 400-lbs...Got A Couple Of Allisons, ETC...Pretty Cool Guy! If It Was Fast, He'd Get It For You If You Had The $$$Mike I don't know if your old enough to remember Staley's Hudson Marina in Hudson off Hudson beach road, but that's where I was chief mechanic and got my 1st OMC certification before I went into the Air Force. This was back in the late 70's early 80's. Soon after I left, the business folded. Heck -Pelicam Marine tried to poach me for my skills to work for them as I had built quite a reputation for myself with the local mullet boat drivers and Marine Patrol as I worked on all their boats. I loved working for Hugh Staley though. It was a family business and I was treated like family. So even faced with the temptation of higher wages plus commissions plus outstanding benefits I stayed where I was. We had alot of racers come through there and we made alot of runs down on lake tarpon. I even took my 1st basser, a 17 ft 7 in V hull bright metalflake green Glastron powered by a 175 Johnny down a few times. Those were the days man. It was back then a year or two after leaving I saw my first 20 ft 8 in Tunnel Vee Shadow and wanted one from that day on. That was 1984 and it took me a few decades but I finally found the one I have now in October 2011 & made it mine.

I used to frequent Port Richie alot back in those days and more recently in 05 thru 07 before I bought the house I have now. Thanks for bringinf back memories of some great times.:cheers::thumbsup:

[Corona Mike]

I Kind Of Remember Stanley's. I Do remember Pelican...He Would Sell You Quicksilver Oil In Bulk (55-gal If You Wanted It!) Looks Like We'll Have Plenty To Talk About Sunday!

[Varmint]

Me n u both Allyda!!!!!!

how about the 2014 shadow ?,no longer a rare boat,now the Evangelist performance bassboat co, Greenville,SChttp://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k615/cajunmerc/29E4E2A6-68CD-4827-AAD8-DD23F1582743-2570-00000664973D7A73_zpsd2423f44.jpg (http://s1118.photobucket.com/user/cajunmerc/media/29E4E2A6-68CD-4827-AAD8-DD23F1582743-2570-00000664973D7A73_zpsd2423f44.jpg.html)

[rgsauger]

A lot of folks have great expectations for the new Shadows. Been hearing some wild speed numbers!

[Allyda]

how about the 2014 shadow ?,no longer a rare boat,now the Evangelist performance bassboat co, Greenville,SChttp://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k615/cajunmerc/29E4E2A6-68CD-4827-AAD8-DD23F1582743-2570-00000664973D7A73_zpsd2423f44.jpg (http://s1118.photobucket.com/user/cajunmerc/media/29E4E2A6-68CD-4827-AAD8-DD23F1582743-2570-00000664973D7A73_zpsd2423f44.jpg.html)
Mine's probably gonna sit this low in the arse once I replace my old Bob's two piece jackplate with my new 10" Quicksilver Para Lift Hydraulic jackplate. I'm running out of dash space for gauges, controls and what not. Thinking about relocating my switch/fuse panel and using that area to mount the 2 gauges and the control switch for the Para Lift.:confused: Not sure about this but it's my best idea yet. My other is to get one of those black or chrome 3 gauge aftermarket under dash pieces.

My tach quit on mt the other day also. It is a Faria I took out of a shop boat to use for a temporary until I get my new one My new gauges are Faria too but they're white faced black numbered with chrome bezels. Right now all my gauges are white with the exception of this tach -it needs replaced anyway. Maybe my boat's rejecting it.:eek::p:D

[Allyda]

A lot of folks have great expectations for the new Shadows. Been hearing some wild speed numbers!So have I -low to mid 90's with a 250 opti or SRX. When I repower I already know the motor I want and have already found it. Remember don't hate me for this, but I found an 04 225 HPDI Yammie that needs the powerhead rebuilt. Just waiting for the guy to come down to a reasonable price before snatching it up.

[1FASTLASER]

how about the 2014 shadow ?,no longer a rare boat,now the Evangelist performance bassboat co, Greenville,SChttp://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k615/cajunmerc/29E4E2A6-68CD-4827-AAD8-DD23F1582743-2570-00000664973D7A73_zpsd2423f44.jpg (http://s1118.photobucket.com/user/cajunmerc/media/29E4E2A6-68CD-4827-AAD8-DD23F1582743-2570-00000664973D7A73_zpsd2423f44.jpg.html)
So where can I find some specs on the new shadow?

[ally2dextreme]

So where can I find some specs on the new shadow?
Im interested as well.My father had a pretty fast Shadow back in the day in Clewiston.Ive bought several and they can run pretty good on top.Theres a guy in NC with a heavily modded single console that runs 111 ive heard. I have a xb2002 now,its a lot faster boat ,its amazing the difference in the boats..The shadow can have a good top end number if very lite but the ride sux

[Allyda]

I don't know what's actually available spec-wise at the moment. Maybe rudeshadow or rgsauger will weigh in soon with more info. I myself would like to see more details on the new boats.

[ally2dextreme]

Also I asked about that worlds fastest bassboat deal as well.I was told that yes indeed Shawdow set the record in one class with the 18 ft v hull boat .Allison did not have a boat in that class.Allison came back the next year with a boat for that class and beat that record by like 11 mph.

[badbob76087]

WAs they Hydrasport X-270 Silver and Blue?

[badbob76087]

I rode in Laser tunnel that had the "For Racing Purposes Only" on the HP plate. Stood straight up on takeoff. 105 on speedo.

guy wanted. 8k for it, but the boat was just not practical, it was a bass boat but only by outside appearances

[Allyda]

I rode in Laser tunnel that had the "For Racing Purposes Only" on the HP plate. Stood straight up on takeoff. 105 on speedo.

guy wanted. 8k for it, but the boat was just not practical, it was a bass boat but only by outside appearances
let me guess -had decks so thin ya couldn't walk on them. Maybe not even carpeted to save weight...............? Am I close?

[Corona Mike]

Looked For You Today, If I Missed You I'm Sorry. I'm Planning On Heading Up Either Tomorrow Again Or Tuesday. Let Me Know If You Will Be Around. There Was A Guy Up There With A Yellow Bullet I Waited At The Ramp But He Never Showed Up. He Must Have Been Catching The Crap Out Of The Fish! Sleepy Hollow Was Packed Ands Usual, The BBQ Was GREAT! They Did Go Up On The Cost...$6.00 Verses $5.00...BBQ Pork Chicken A Baked Potato And Baked Beans..Can't Eat At Micky-D's For That! Let Me Know If You Will Be Around. Mike T.

[Allyda]

Looked For You Today, If I Missed You I'm Sorry. I'm Planning On Heading Up Either Tomorrow Again Or Tuesday. Let Me Know If You Will Be Around. There Was A Guy Up There With A Yellow Bullet I Waited At The Ramp But He Never Showed Up. He Must Have Been Catching The Crap Out Of The Fish! Sleepy Hollow Was Packed Ands Usual, The BBQ Was GREAT! They Did Go Up On The Cost...$6.00 Verses $5.00...BBQ Pork Chicken A Baked Potato And Baked Beans..Can't Eat At Micky-D's For That! Let Me Know If You Will Be Around. Mike T.
Yea the guy with the yellow Bullet is a friend. He's a pro fisherman who runs out on our lakes for no pressure enjoyment fishing. He said he didn't doo too well today. He saw you though for when I asked him if he'd saw a guy with an Allison he sain I missed ya by about 30 minutes or so. I may go out Tuesday if I get my trolling motor mount tomorrow. Fixed motor fuel problem by correcting bonehead mistake I made. When I replaced my fuel hoses I must have bumped the small orange lever on my primer solonoid closed causing it to run lean. Opened that up now she fires right off and puuurrrrssssss!! Sorry I missed Sleepy Hollow too. Love their BBQ. Like you said, We'll catch up with each other eventually. Oh and, don't forget your fishing gear next time!, lol! Don't worry if ya do I've got plenty.

[Varmint]

Also I asked about that worlds fastest bassboat deal as well.I was told that yes indeed Shawdow set the record in one class with the 18 ft v hull boat .Allison did not have a boat in that class.Allison came back the next year with a boat for that class and beat that record by like 11 mph.
Who did you ask that gave you that info ?

[onemortime]

Rgsauger, my pc is down and using the wifes nook . I tried reply to your pm , but it want let me do it. Please call me when you have time, thanks, my is buddy @ 1 843 296 9610

[badbob76087]

let me guess -had decks so thin ya couldn't walk on them. Maybe not even carpeted to save weight...............? Am I close?
It had carpet. Console rattling like it was about to come off. It was fast for sure, cheeks flappin at 5000 so the 100 onspeedo was real when it got to top.

Stick with Bullet

[Allyda]

It had carpet. Console rattling like it was about to come off. It was fast for sure, cheeks flappin at 5000 so the 100 onspeedo was real when it got to top.

Stick with BulletBullets are fast boats I know. I've a friend who has a yellow one with a 250 srx and he does high 70's low 80's with two guys and a tournament load.

I would have liked to see that laser run though.

[badbob76087]

There should be one out there somewhere, always liked the underdog. I just have a 150 on my Bullet, good on gas and still whips many other boats.

[south599]

Yep gotta love the old super light ones!

[onemortime]

Here are a few pics on the '84 laser
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/Onemortime1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsd77862ed.jpg (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/Onemortime1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsd77862ed.jpg.html)
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/Onemortime1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps7de4187d.jpg (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/Onemortime1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps7de4187d.jpg.html)
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/Onemortime1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsc30899f9.jpg (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/Onemortime1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsc30899f9.jpg.html)

[badbob76087]

Here are a few pics on the '84 laser
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/Onemortime1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsd77862ed.jpg (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/Onemortime1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsd77862ed.jpg.html)
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/Onemortime1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps7de4187d.jpg (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/Onemortime1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps7de4187d.jpg.html)
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/Onemortime1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsc30899f9.jpg (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/Onemortime1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsc30899f9.jpg.html)
The one i rode in was a V tunnel, what does this run?

[Allyda]

That's a sweet ride. Looks in superb shape too!:thumbsup:

[1FASTLASER]

That is a seriously sweet looking Laser!!!!!!

[2.5racer]

Possibly the sweetest laser basser I have ever seen!

[rgsauger]

Rgsauger, my pc is down and using the wifes nook . I tried reply to your pm , but it want let me do it. Please call me when you have time, thanks, my is buddy @ 1 843 296 9610

Dittos on the Nook. Pita! Call me when you get a chance 832-405-2980 Rob. Talk to you soon.

[1FASTLASER]

OneMore do you still own the 84 model??? The more I look at this sweet ride the more I drool. I can see that attention to detail was done on this resto. Right down to the trailer.What model exactly is this one? It looks like the 19ftr but of course cant tell from the pics. Looking at these makes me want to go out and finish up mine TODAY...lol but I know dat aint goona happen.Im currently looking for someone or someplace that can make a new windsheild for mine. I have in my mind an idea to make the windsheild removeable......that way when I am playing around or going for topend numbers it can be easily removed or when I am in fishin mode it can be on the boat. I will be using attachment bolts very similar to the T bolts that Motorguide uses or gives you when you buy a new trolling motor.

[1FASTLASER]

Oh and by the way anyone out there and I do mean ANYONE know where I can find a pic of the Lightining hull. Man I have looked everywhere and still cant seem to find one. I found plenty of the Prosecutors but still cant find its shorter brother the Lightining.

[Allyda]

OneMore do you still own the 84 model??? The more I look at this sweet ride the more I drool. I can see that attention to detail was done on this resto. Right down to the trailer.What model exactly is this one? It looks like the 19ftr but of course cant tell from the pics. Looking at these makes me want to go out and finish up mine TODAY...lol but I know dat aint goona happen.Im currently looking for someone or someplace that can make a new windsheild for mine. I have in my mind an idea to make the windsheild removeable......that way when I am playing around or going for topend numbers it can be easily removed or when I am in fishin mode it can be on the boat. I will be using attachment bolts very similar to the T bolts that Motorguide uses or gives you when you buy a new trolling motor. Try Great Lakes Skipper out on eBay. They have a large selection of bass boat windshields and you may be able to find one very close to your stock whindshield.

[onemortime]

Thank you for the kind words. I still have the laser it was finished late last year. I only have about 15 hours on the motor and max rpms 5900 @ 91mph so far. We built the motor to turn about 8400. Iam still learning how drive it, but so far it drives like on a string. I have hydrualic steering and a high speed jackplate (5 1/2") off the transom. Iam running real close to 2" above the pad. I bought a 88 shadow 20' vt and should be ready in few weeks and whats kind of funny is what on the side of it.(it says the worlds fastest boat) and that's under the gel coat. Any how I will post some pictures as soon as finish rigging it out. Again thanks for all the complements..

[tlwjkw]

max rpms 5900 @ 91mph so far. ..

What kinda gear and prop for this......Just courious.