89 22 Stoker w/ 300 Rude

[williamj]

New to the list and new to larger performance boats. Being in lower SC I have always run 14' flat bottom F'glass boats with doctored 3 cylinder yammies pushing 60hp or so and have really enjoyed sliding around the local small rivers. It's nothing to run in the 40's through 2-1/2 to 3 feet of water down a river that most would call a glorified creek. But now that the liquid courage has slowed down and wisdom is gaining over sheer stupidity I have bought an 89 22' Stoker tunnel and love it. Two strokes are not a foreign language nor working on fiberglass boats. Trust me, we've had to fix too many holes from cypress knees to remember and I have turned several 40 yamahas into 55-60's.

The stoker appears to be fairly original if not almost completely original. The 300 Evinrude starts great and will turn 65-6600 with a 24 Bravo 1 prop and 2-3 people with 1/2 a load of fuel. I have hit 70.0 twice on a handheld but I'm not sure where the numbers should be. If you guys could help educate me about this setup I surely would appreciate it more than you know. The pic below was taken from another post but this is the boat I purchased. It made it's way out to SC in 2010. The only thing that has changed is the last owner didn't like the complete engine painted orange so he had the upper cowl painted white. I tried to figure out how to post one of my current pictures but obviously I'm not smart enuf!!!

Thanks in advance for anything you can add to help me along...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b289/atlas123/DSC04104.jpg

William J.
Darlington, SC

[stokernick]

[B]Nice Stoker, I'm sure there's more than 70 in your setup, mine's in the 70's with a 175 ProXS. Contact racer [Alan Stoker] here on the board, and he'll get you set up!!

and welcome to S&F!![B]/B]

[FrenchPhil]

Welcome aboard. What's your current setup : rpm, engine height, prop, gearcase etc.. a rear pic
would help too, 70 is defo low for a 300.

[cptunnel]

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[cptunnel]

those are some pics i took of it when i went and looked at it a few weeks ago.. pretty good looking boat and yes it should run faster than 70

[cptunnel]

put a bigger prop on there and should run a good bit faster and lower the rpms a lil281154

[williamj]

That's her! Thanks for getting the pics posted. Can someone educate me on the process in doing that?

[Matts94z28]

Nice boat!

[williamj]

Thank you. So far we are really enjoying everything but the $2.25 a mile operating cost!!! But hey, that's the cost of having fun, huh (just don't let her figure that out)?? I've been impressed with the ride quality and performance of this boat. I'm really interested in finding out more about the operation where it pertains to performance.

Thanks again to all that are helping educate me on this thing. Your help is greatly appreciated!!

WJ

[Rayzor]

Very nice rig! Give Al Stoker a call at John's Custom Marine - he'll tell you how to set up your 22 for what you're specifically looking for out of it. (714) 827-7920........or e-mail him at info@johnscustommarine.net.

[williamj]

I have spoken with Mr. Stoker. He was nice enough to call me back and give me a few tips and a little history of the boat. He was busy but fit in my return call which I appreciated greatly. I really hate to bother him since it has been over 24 years since he's made a profit off of this boat. Those dollars have long been spent. Between my trial and error and any information you guys kick in I'm sure I'll pick up on how to dial this thing in a little better.

Thanks again,
WJ

[Rayzor]

Mail him a check for $200.00 and tell him you're pre-paying for a setup sheet for your boat - setback, engine height and prop recommendations. Then, buy the props you need from him. What pisses guys like him off is when everybody goes to them for advice and then they go buy all the stuff elsewhere..........

[williamj]

No problem with that at all. I sell material in the industrial sector (pulp & paper, power gen, chemical) and get questions all the time for "application advice". Drives me nuts when I don't get the sale afterwards...

[2.5_stoker]

good looking stoker! it should run in the 80's easy enough...a hydraulic jack plate will make a huge difference.

[inspectorlance]

Nice ride. I have always wanted a 22 Stoker. Is it a stock v8 ? What speed do you hope to get out of it ?
I have looked at nice newer 22 with a merc IO at Al's shop a few years back when I popped in. I believe he said it would run 110 mph. I think it was around 500 hp. Beautiful boat.
I wonder what one would would do with a 400+ hp outboard ?

[williamj]

Thanks!! I think it's stock. Mr. Stoker told me he made 3 boats with this color combo one of which had a doctored engine (finger ported and idle holes plugged). I have not run a scope in a plug hole yet to see if I have one of the three. I might get to do that this weekend. I do know the engine has been into because the paint is off of the case bolts. It's either been rebuilt or its one of the 3.

WJ

[stokernick]

[QUOTE=Rayzor;2517306]Mail him a check for $200.00 and tell him you're pre-paying for a setup sheet for your boat - setback, engine height and prop recommendations. Then, buy the props you need from him. What pisses guys like him off is when everybody goes to them for advice and then they go buy all the stuff elsewhere..........

Great suggestion, because time is money, and even though your rig is over 20 years old, Alan always treats you like you're his first sale!! A straight shooter with a wealth of information!

[williamj]

2.5_stoker, I've read here that running the 300 on the surface will lead to gear case destruction. Can you all clear up what's good and bad about engine height?

[JohnR]

From what I've read it will. "pinning" the carrier can and will help but it's just a matter of time still. You want to raise the engine as much as you can without losing water pressure to cool the motor or the prop losing bite on the water. The higher the motor the less of the lower in the water which means less drag and more speed.

John

[2.5_stoker]

2.5_stoker, I've read here that running the 300 on the surface will lead to gear case destruction. Can you all clear up what's good and bad about engine height?


Been running my dads v8 on the surface for years with no problems...As far as engine height go's im not sure where the 22 is going to want to be but the good about having the hydraulic transom is that you can move the motor into the sweet spot on the fly. for skiing and hauling a boat load of people around i drop the motor a bit deeper in to the water...it keeps the spray down for skiers and tubers and seems to get out of the hole better...Thats the sweet spot for that type of boating....Out hotrodding obviously i raise the motor up...it reduces drag by getting more of the motor and prop out of the water and as long as your prop has bite and you have good water pressure you will be more efficient on the top end...the other thing that I actually got from Al is that you have to work these boats into the sweet spot by adjusting motor height and trim on the fly (a set motor height is not the answer) ...That was advise that he gave me for my 20 footer that may or may not hold true on the 22, Al would be able to tell you for sure...

[racer]

At the rpm you are running you should be running faster, it sounds like you may have too much trim too soon. On the 22 if you trim to much early you will not get the boat broke loose and will not have the engine running parallel to the water. Try going out alone with the trim in and get it up to 50mph then touch the trim up and wait do this a few times and the boat should break loose now push the throttle down and once the rpm stops gaining tap the up again and wait. If the trim gauge reads correct you should not see it much past half way if it does you need to wait on the boat to catch up with the trim, if you get too much positive trim you will not get it to go fast. Since the boat is 20 plus years old I would also check that the ctr pod is straight the last 4 feet and that the plates are level with the tunnel. No jack etc your set up should run 80

[williamj]

Thanks for the info. I can assure you I was trimming it too soon and too much. I was in the process of figuring out that I was trimming it too high. While investigating trim levels I would lower the trim and could feel the motor hook up much better. I'll keep everyone posted. Looks like this weekend will be a washout though.

[williamj]

What a great day!! When I spoke with Mr. Stoker about this boat he told me that he made 3 with this color combo and that one of the 3 was an entry in the 1989 LA boat show. He also told me that if this was in fact that boat it has a modified engine with a good porting job and the relief holes plugged. Well I wasn't in all that much of a hurry to borrow my buddies borescope to see what I have cause my "luck" is never good on stuff like that. Anyway, I did finally get the scope and can you believe it the engine is ported with the relief holes plugged!!!!!! No wonder it doesn't have any problem turning 65-6600 while being down deep in the water!! Well of course since I had the scope I pulled all of the plugs to take a look and see if there was anything going on that needed to be addressed before the unspeakable and I thought I saw a piston that was broken above the ring. I pulled the head and was amazed at the condition of this engine. It has VERY minimal markings in the cylinders and only 1 tiny scratch in a cylinder right above an exhaust port. Nothing left to do but order head gaskets and go have fun...... Does anyone have a clue what kind of horsepower a 89 4.0l with these mods would make and what rpm it makes max HP?

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[frank jackson]

Interesting , finger ports !!!!