E-85 vs Gas

[flabum1017]

e-85 is worthless


http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/e85-vs-gasoline-comparison-test.html?mktcat=advice-fuel-economy-article&kw=e85+vs+gasoline+comparison+test&mktid=ob61762696&msite=w

[Capt.Insane-o]

I tried it for awhile in a 2 liter motor. The boat has a 12 gallon fuel cell in it. Unless your racing or like to paddle, **** e -85

[Forkin' Crazy]

Stupid article. Anyone with half a brain knows that. Look not further than the carbon chains (molecular make up) of the fuels and you can figure that out. I ran a diluted down mixture, probably equivalent to E50-60 in my old 93 GMC for a summer. It didn't like straight E85 at all, but seemed to run well on the diluted mixture. The burn is clean and the oil didn't seem to break down near as fast. They quit selling it before I could trick my computer to running straight E85. The exhaust sure smelled better. ;)

[rev.ronnie]

The E-85 up here tests at 70% ethanol. It's the best we could find for a street performance engine we just built and dynoed.

It ran well, but we had to jet the ethanol calibrated carb down a bit.

[Markus]

I ran a diluted down mixture, probably equivalent to E50-60 in my old 93 GMC for a summer.

I would not even run E5 in a vehicle from the early nineties. I have seen failed parts due to ethanol in cars of that era starting with the fuel tank and going all the way to the injectors.

[Forkin' Crazy]

I would not even run E5 in a vehicle from the early nineties. I have seen failed parts due to ethanol in cars of that era starting with the fuel tank and going all the way to the injectors.

All I heard was "ethanol is a solvent and it will get all the dirt, etc moving and clog up the fuel filters blah, blah, blah- Bullsh!t. I ran it for an entire summer purposely not changing my fuel filter. Not one single problem. BTW they've been selling "gasohol" in the Midwest for decades. In the early 80s I lived in Tulsa, OK. I had a hot rod old Z28 with about 11:1 compression that I raced at the local strip. It loved the 96-98 octane gasohol!!! ;)

[1BadAction]

Stupid article. Anyone with half a brain knows that. Look not further than the carbon chains (molecular make up) of the fuels and you can figure that out. I ran a diluted down mixture, probably equivalent to E50-60 in my old 93 GMC for a summer. It didn't like straight E85 at all, but seemed to run well on the diluted mixture. The burn is clean and the oil didn't seem to break down near as fast. They quit selling it before I could trick my computer to running straight E85. The exhaust sure smelled better. ;)

Why trick the computer? ;)
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[1BadAction]

Side note: If we had E85 here, my truck would be 13.7:1 compression instead of 9.7:1, **** is bad ass when you're built (or boosted) for it.

[flabum1017]

Thing is, most pleasure boats and cars on the road are not designed to burn the gasahol. There are a lot of things that go wrong because of it starting with fuel line disintegration, corrosion of fuel tanks, it draws moisture in from the air resulting in water in your tank and plenty of other things. Even the car manufacturers are saying most cars on the road will be adversly affected by the 15% stuff they want to shove down our throats.

[Lockjaw]

I think if we are going to have to use it, we need to have a way to make it without using corn, since that has driven up the price of groceries and yes, even deer corn. It makes me ill to pay 9 bucks a bag for corn I used to be able to get for 4 or 5. And to top it off, I lost 10 pounds per bag.

I don't think the issues with it deteriorating fuel lines is that big a deal in most cars, since most have metal lines from "around" the tank back to close to the motor. If you had a long run of rubber line, then I think it causes more trouble.

I have quit using ethanol gas in my outdoor 2 stroke power equipment. I pay the extra for tru fuel unless I happen to make a trip way out of the county I live in, and can get some ethanol free gas, but even then, without a tester, how do you really know?

I guess I could always run up to the gas station and get some 100 octane race fuel and use that. It would sure smell good running then,

[CDave]

I can tell ya that ever scene the 5-10% alcohol stuff has invaded the local gas stations I've had more problems with all my small engines/lawn equipment than ever before. Now I have to go get gas for them from one of the two places, I know of, in town that still sells 100% gasoline.
I say, Keep the alcohol in booze and race cars!:thumbsup:

[1BadAction]

I think if we are going to have to use it, we need to have a way to make it without using corn, since that has driven up the price of groceries and yes, even deer corn. It makes me ill to pay 9 bucks a bag for corn I used to be able to get for 4 or 5. And to top it off, I lost 10 pounds per bag.

Diesel is stupid expensive, how do you think it's harvested and transported? That's the main reason food has went up in price, although in the feed corn example I can see ethanol contributing somewhat.

I do agree on making it from something else. Sugar is much better than corn anyways, make it out of that, drive the price of candy and soda up to luxury item status. We end up with race gas at the pump for a good price and the number of fat slob diabetic americans drops. win-win.

[Forkin' Crazy]

Diesel is stupid expensive, how do you think it's harvested and transported? That's the main reason food has went up in price, although in the feed corn example I can see ethanol contributing somewhat.

I do agree on making it from something else. Sugar is much better than corn anyways, make it out of that, drive the price of candy and soda up to luxury item status. We end up with race gas at the pump for a good price and the number of fat slob diabetic americans drops. win-win.

That is a contributing factor for sure. Either by barge, rail, or truck. Like anything else, the price is passed on to the consumer.

[JohnR]

If you want something not too badly priced and guaranteed ethanol free go get 100LL fuel at your local airport. Smells like race gas too and actual octane is about 98.

[Ron V]

All I heard was "ethanol is a solvent and it will get all the dirt, etc moving and clog up the fuel filters blah, blah, blah- Bullsh!t. I ran it for an entire summer purposely not changing my fuel filter. Not one single problem. BTW they've been selling "gasohol" in the Midwest for decades. In the early 80s I lived in Tulsa, OK. I had a hot rod old Z28 with about 11:1 compression that I raced at the local strip. It loved the 96-98 octane gasohol!!! ;)

Don't waste your breath Paul. Been running E-10 in everything from 1920s outboards to Ford Flatheads to brand new Toyotas on it for 20 years here and nobody will believe me either.

[Lockjaw]

Diesel is stupid expensive, how do you think it's harvested and transported? That's the main reason food has went up in price, although in the feed corn example I can see ethanol contributing somewhat.

I do agree on making it from something else. Sugar is much better than corn anyways, make it out of that, drive the price of candy and soda up to luxury item status. We end up with race gas at the pump for a good price and the number of fat slob diabetic americans drops. win-win.

Maybe if we could build some new refineries, get Keystone going, ramp up domestic production, then diesel would go down.

The problem with E-85 is that its not cheap enough to make up for the increase in consumption. if it was 2 bucks a gallon, people would use it. I only know of one station here that sells it too. I am sure if you could figure out a way to make a 2 stroke run on it, it would run pretty good, but...

[JohnR]

You can. Lots of the Banshee guys are running it.

[Action Dave]

My dad's 08 Dakota is E-85 compatible. He's run a few tanks just for fun. He said there is a significant HP gain but mileage was terrible. There's a bunch of marinas where I live that sell 90 octane non ethanol. It costs about as much as 93 e-10. Since our fuel comes into the port in south Florida rather than by land, the ethanol gets added at the port. The 90 non-ethanol becomes 93 e-10 once it's blended.