Got cited by Animal Control yesterday. Opinions?

[pyro]

Yesterday, our county sheriff Animal Control enforcement officer pulled into my driveway, where I was outside with my family and our dog. He asked if I had a dog license and proof of rabies vaccination. I had neither. My dog hasn't seen a rabies shot in over three years, and I have never purchased a "dog license" The officer indicated that he saw my dog in the neighbor's yard, but he was mistaken-- There's a 10-foot wide pie slice on the off-side of my driveway which is still my property. My dog never crosses into that neighbor's yard, but he does pee on the tree in that corner of the lot on a daily basis. The officer indicated that he would need to cite me for at least one of the two violations-- Rabies, or the license. I got slightly smart-assed with him, which directly resulted in him deciding to write me tickets for both charges. The courthouse says they want $185 for EACH charge in fines. (Absolute bullsh** rip-off.) He said, I'll be leaving now, please step away from my truck." I said, "That ain't YOUR truck. Yes, please leave."

I simply will not be able to afford these tickets right now, especially if I need to pay for rabies shots and a "dog license."

So, where do I go from here? In our county, like most places, a defendant can plead "not guilty" and request a jury trial. This typically results in a pre-trial conference with the assistant prosecutor, which conveniently gives the defendant the chance to tell their side of the story without the other side present. The defendant may plead "guilty" if the charges stick, or the prosecutor can reduce or throw out the charges at his complete discretion, or you can take the case to trial. I intend to try to get one or both charges thrown out. I will present a photo showing the corner of my property in question, and a signed statement from my neighbor indicating that the dog has never been seen on their property.

The officer had no business coming onto my property to begin with, as he did NOT have legitimate and reasonable suspicion of a crime. He was incorrect in believing that my dog was on the neighbor's lot. Does this change the legality of the charges against me?

He says he will visit again in two weeks and will ticket me again if I don't have tags. I will NOT answer the door or let him in if he comes back. It's a shame that anyone has to keep looking over their shoulder in a quiet neighborhood of law-abiding citizens.

[RB in NM]

Why the nerve of that guy ! Did you also mention anything about his political Ron Paul bumper sticker on 'your' truck ? :rolleyes:

In most states that I have lived, both a dog license and annual rabies vaccination proof or tag was the city ordinace. You may not beat those.

[Lockjaw]

You are not a law abiding citizen because you don't have a license or a rabies shot. Second, you are a bad pet owner for not getting your dog vaccinated, a rabies shot is cheap.

Third, and this is one where I have some issues with the court system, your word is not on the same level as a law enforcement officer, so you will probably lose. If you went to court against your neighbor and it was his word against yours, they would toss the case, however, when its your word against LE, not so.

Best bust out your wallet and pay up. I would not go to court without proof of a shot and a license either. Whether the dog was in your yard or not is not going to be an issue the court cares about. And if you think your property is yours, stop paying property tax on it and see what happens.

I love animal control, because in my experience, most people who own dogs are about as considerate of others as a smoker. Which means they aren't considerate of other people.

[pyro]

I don't know a single person among dozens of dog owners, who actually has a "license."

It's sad that they're driving around, wasting fuel, to troll for dog owners so they can write tickets, to pay for the gas they're wasting to harass people, while thefts are still happening at night, and meth labs continue to burn down houses in the city.

[specboatops]

I live out on a farm Chad, that being said I have 3 Dogs, 1 of which is a 14 year old LAb/ sheppard mix, still has his balls swingin and has only had his initial shots, healthy as the day is long, great dog, never an issue, sucks that happened to you, what a DICK that guy was. I never knew they could role up on you own property.....you gave him a nicer answer than I would of, I'd of gotten my family ( dog included) gone in the house and ignored the dickhead.

[JohnR]

As someone else mentioned go in with proof that you have corrected the "problem" and they may cut you a break. Unfortunately you don't have the money to fight it because I can't see it being legal for him to come onto your property without due cause and demand you provide proof of anything to him.

[Action Dave]

Unless there was some kind of complaint, I don't know why the hell he would just stop at your house and bother you about your dog. I know these types of rules vary from city to city so i don't know how much a fight you'd be able to put up. It's possible to get the fines dropped if you have the dog vaccinated and licensed. In Florida, you get the license when you bring the dog in for shots.

[NBT]

Think boy, think. The drones, the hydroponics, the pro-week statements, your past, the Ron Paul bumper sticker..... it's the narcs man.. :D


My gawd, you live in a city/suburb area, get your damn license and vaccinate your dog. See what happens to the dog if he bites someone. And make sure you piss off any and all public servants that you deal with. They just wake up in the morning, eat their frosted flakes and go to work. They dont want to deal with a smart ass. You are actually being a very irresponsible citizen and dog owner.

And you ought to think, can you?, animal control usually only responds to complaints, Who in your neighborhood had an obama sticker.

[njj502]

I agree to disagree, Chad. First, you should have had the dog tagged. That's that..... You broke the law there... Get over that part.

Over it yet? Good.

Now, hang that useless POS on the fence and fry him. Not only did he waste your tax money in time, didn't the prick let his truck idle for 30 min? Was it needed to run A/C or heat? He had no right to be on your property. He had no right to give you a ticket. Matter of fact, if he was parked on your driveway I'd have asked him to take the vehicle I was paying for back onto public property. I know there are many thoughts on the dog licence/shots/etc..... Knowing that my Lab is on the Up & Up makes me feel better for her. She's been skunked, squirreled (got her nose once she went bout 8' up in the tree), cooned (trapped one in my trash can) umong many other things. She's a damn good dog and I want to be sure she's well cared for. Also, keep in mind, Chad... If the dog has a tag on her and she's lost she's got a much better chance getting back to you.....

Nick

[Fl Boy in ILL]

Why did they do it, the same reason a police officer writes a speeding ticket for going 1-2 MPH over the speed limit, its $$$ for the department. They didn't get any from you for the dog licence so now they will not to mention you were a smart -azz.

Rick

[CDave]

I hope ya learned it's never a good idea to smart off to someone who can write you a ticket. Kinda like smarting off to the people who handle your food.

[1BadAction]

So wait, you break city ordinance (which is supposed to represent an agreement between YOU and the city) and now are complaining because someone is fining you for doing so? If you want carte blanche, move out into the country.

This is rich, I can't wait to see how this one turns out.

[transomstand]

Only thing I can add is that around here, usually this time of year, free rabies shots are given. Check with your local Humane Society.

[pyro]

My gawd, you live in a city/suburb area, get your damn license and vaccinate your dog. See what happens to the dog if he bites someone... animal control usually only responds to complaints...

I don't live in the city-- I live 20 minutes from the nearest "small" city. I live in a newer upscale lake subdivision out in the middle of farm country. I HAVE vaccinated my dog, I was just late doing it this year. I didn't realize the whole license thing was mandatory until I read the law, which is actually a STATE law. It would be nice if these people focused their efforts on public safety and education, instead of tickets and fines.

my dog wears a solid brass name tag with my phone number on it. He doesn't need to wear a serial number. That's retarded.

They weren't responding to complaints. I asked him if they were just "making the rounds", and he said "yes." They're driving around looking for anyone with a dog in their yard.


If you want carte blanche, move out into the country.

See above.

[1BadAction]

See above.

You have neighbors and live in a subdivision. That does not = the country.

[NBT]

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I think this is your county, They equals 1 1/2 officeirs responding to complaints. Point is, You can piss on the guy or treat him with respect and play nice, you most likely would not have tickets. My bet is still on the Narc aspect:p


you originally said your dog was not vacinated, now he is?

And it sounds like you live on a farm thats been developed into an UpScale Area, so dogs wear tags with a serial number and date , you let him run loose also? :rolleyes:




LENAWEE COUNTYSHERIFF'S OFFICEANIMAL CONTROLANNUAL REPORT FOR 2011
Submitted by Animal Control Officer David BortonThe Animal Control Division is staffed by one full-time member and one part-time member. Their main objective is to handle all animal complaints in the County, however, the Road Patrol also handles these complaints when need be. 14% of complaints handled by the Lenawee County Sheriff's Office in 2011 were animal related.In 2011, the Animal Control Division handled the following complaints:
Dog Law Violations: 691Stock Kills: 7Dog Bites: 100Kennel Related: 30 | LENAWEE COUNTY
SHERIFF'S OFFICE
ANIMAL CONTROL
ANNUAL REPORT FOR 2011
Submitted by Animal Control Officer David Borton
The Animal Control Division is staffed by one full-time member and one part-time member. Their main objective is to handle all animal complaints in the County, however, the Road Patrol also handles these complaints when need be. 14% of complaints handled by the Lenawee County Sheriff's Office in 2011 were animal related.
In 2011, the Animal Control Division handled the following complaints:
Dog Law Violations: 691
Stock Kills: 7
Dog Bites: 100
Kennel Related: 30
Stray Dogs: 376
Animal Cruelty: 185
Citations: 324
TOTAL: 1,713
Stray Dogs: 376Animal Cruelty: 185Citations: 324TOTAL: 1,713

[Action Dave]

Eh...the only thing you can do is chalk it up to "lesson learned". It's never a good idea to get lippy with law enforcement types. You may think everything they're saying is BS but arguing about it will not fix anything. If you ever feel you are being taken advantage of my a LEO, take it to a lawyer and deal with it in a courtroom, where you actually have a fighting chance.

[Forkin' Crazy]

My dog hasn't seen a rabies shot in over three years, and I have never purchased a "dog license"


I HAVE vaccinated my dog, I was just late doing it this year. I didn't realize the whole license thing was mandatory until I read the law,

WTF? So which is it? :rolleyes:

Ignorance of the law is NO excuse. Get the dog vaccinated and licensed, bring them to the assistant DA and see if he'll drop one of the charges if you'll pay for the other. That's the best case scenario. Thinking you can skate around this is akin to thinking Ron Paul was a viable presidential candidate. ;)

[Lockjaw]

As someone else mentioned go in with proof that you have corrected the "problem" and they may cut you a break. Unfortunately you don't have the money to fight it because I can't see it being legal for him to come onto your property without due cause and demand you provide proof of anything to him.

If the town has an ordinance, he has every right to come on the property. That is his job. And while Pyro might be fairly respectful as a pet owner, trust me, most owners are not. Where I live they have ordinances about dogs, even if its in your yard, its supposed to be on a leash. And it if pees or poops in someone's yard, ticket. If you don't clean it up when they TELL you to, another ticket. If it barks to much so its a nuisance, ticket. And if it keeps happening, you'll either have to move, or get rid of the dog. A judge here told a couple after numerous complaints to take their dog and have its vocal chords removed, or get rid of the dog.

Think its extreme? Well its because they were forced to legislate responsibility for people who lack it. Normally I am not in favor of such intervention by government, however in alabama, its a felony to "harm" an animal, only a misdemeanor to "harm" a person.

So people like me who don't really like other peoples pets running through their yard, leaving "deposits" I have little sympathy for people who run afoul of animal control for not taking care of their pets.

[NBT]

WTF? So which is it? :rolleyes:

Ignorance of the law is NO excuse. Get the dog vaccinated and licensed, bring them to the assistant DA and see if he'll drop one of the charges if you'll pay for the other. That's the best case scenario. Thinking you can skate around this is akin to thinking Ron Paul was a viable presidential candidate. ;)

There you go, its not about the MAN , its about the DOG:D

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[Lockjaw]

I don't live in the city-- I live 20 minutes from the nearest "small" city. I live in a newer upscale lake subdivision out in the middle of farm country. I HAVE vaccinated my dog, I was just late doing it this year. I didn't realize the whole license thing was mandatory until I read the law, which is actually a STATE law. It would be nice if these people focused their efforts on public safety and education, instead of tickets and fines.

my dog wears a solid brass name tag with my phone number on it. He doesn't need to wear a serial number. That's retarded.

They weren't responding to complaints. I asked him if they were just "making the rounds", and he said "yes." They're driving around looking for anyone with a dog in their yard.



See above.

I'd be curious to see what the covenants for your subdivision are. If you want retarded, that would be a good place to look. And if you live in such an "upscale" location, why can't you afford the tickets?

I sure hope you don't go down to court and get lippy with the judge, no I take that back, I think you should go down there, and get lippy with the judge, and tell him who you are and how you know this and that, and this is bogus, yada yada yada. :reddevil:

[Lockjaw]

Eh...the only thing you can do is chalk it up to "lesson learned". It's never a good idea to get lippy with law enforcement types. You may think everything they're saying is BS but arguing about it will not fix anything. If you ever feel you are being taken advantage of my a LEO, take it to a lawyer and deal with it in a courtroom, where you actually have a fighting chance.

You get lippy after he writes the tickets. :cheers:

[delawarerick]

Do you have a petsmart or pets supermarket near you if so call and ask when they are giving shots and it will only cost you $10. Be mindful that the new law enforcement officers seem to be a tad gunhoe. If you comply and go to court the DA has the ability to lower the charges but there are no guarantees. We had to do a quick move in and the old people a quick move out they dumped the contents out for curb pickup on Sat and pickup was tues got a knock on the door and it was code enforcement they told me if I did not move it out of view I would be given a 500 dollar citation with no help my wife and me a 62 year old had to move all this crap behind the fence. Welcome to the Republic:nonod:

[transomstand]

Ignorance of the law is NO excuse.

It worked for Tiger Woods, it's worth a try.

[njj502]

Yeah but he's black Pete and they'd been racist to prosecute him

[HStream1]

Chad While not a big fan of yours for reasons I won't go into (and it's nothing personal) you do have rights. (1) You were in the wrong for not being compliant to County code dog registration and proper vacination (Rabes). That requirement is at a minimum for the safety of you, your wife ,Dog and everyone else that he/she might come in contact with (doesn't matter if your dog bites or not) A rabid dog will Bite.. Now in your defense. The officer had no probable cause that he could substantiate. The burdon of proof lies on him. What proof did he have that your dog had violated your neighbors property boundries (his word? Thats not proof?) You were reported, I'd bet on it. It's a question you should have asked (Did you actually see the dog or was i reported). If it was reported you have a right to the report not the name of who reported. (2) you didn't have to admit to anything. You should have simply asked him to leave and not been confrontational. I do not know about Law in your state but here in WONDERFULL NC, WE still have rights.

Basically you caused your own problem to escalate to the point it has. And you will most likely pay.

You escalated your own problem where you could have detered it to a point.

But face it you were in violation to your own county animal codes.

Good Luck because that's what you are going to need at this point. Now go in there and be a smart ass with the Judge.

[albypine]

Should have told em it's the neighbors dog and Ur puppy sitting while they are all smoking crack and getting high ... Tell em good luck knocking on the door because they own lots of gun and tweaked out :D

[pyro]

Rabies is good for 3 years. I was a few months late getting up to date, and couldn't find my certificate.

I got his rabies shot today. Going to get the license tomorrow, now that I know it's required.

NBT: correct... Borton and the part-time girl were both in the truck. This guy has no business being a public safety official with such a poor attitude. No attempt to explain the law or educate me. They educate you with a ticket. $370 is unreasonable. You can drive reckless and wreck your car cheaper.

[rockyone]

Should have told em it's the neighbors dog and Ur puppy sitting while they are all smoking crack and getting high ... Tell em good luck knocking on the door because they own lots of gun and tweaked out :D
Why does your advice not suprise me!:cheers:

[albypine]

Why does your advice not suprise me!:cheers:
Lol wish I had videos of the last time the town showed up at the house :D better yet when my father showed the fire department and all the hero's where the road was . They spun gravel all the way to the black top, as he pointed the double barrel in the direction they had to go :D they really do not like it when you tell em the land has been in the family name long then there forefathers have been in the USA ;)

[Lockjaw]

You have rights in alabama too. I told the police chief of an end of no where town to get the F off my property, and don't ever come back on it.

He left. I bet his officer had to chuckle under his breath. Chief said, I don't want to damage your grass. I said, I'll make an exception just for you.

Of course I asked him if I could tell him to leave before I told him to leave. :reddevil:

Then I put the ABI and the county DA on him. :D

I bet Bill is gonna be proud of me now. :D

[Lockjaw]

Oh and more advice. I once got stopped for passing an ambulance. Seriously I did. Police officer is giving me the what for, and I stopped him and said. So tell me, is it against the law to pass an ambulance? He says, well no, and I said, then why stop me? He says I wanted to see whats up. I said I have a hot rod. I don't lose speed on hills, the ambulance does. So he pulls away on flat ground, and then gets all up in my face on a hill. His flashing lights hurt my eyes and were giving me a headache, so... I went around him.

Moral, it never hurts to ask an obvious question. You might get the upper hand. :D

[Robby321]

Whoa..slow done a bit here. Sorry Pyro, but having a animal is a obligation to the "furry child", not some "wind up toy". Had many dogs over the years, and ALL.."go" to the vet once a year. I need no "license here", BUT, (as I lost my last GR at 9 to cancer), the new now 9 years old, is "chipped ID" fulla updated shots, etc.

And I ALSO (rural here), had a pig animail cop show up here one day. Little freaking (man) prick with earrings both ears? Said a complaint me "kicking my dog" at the marina.

HA She was a "jumper" on people a pup, and the way to stop is simple "teaching!" First do the "crook" yer foot/ankle into the chest, or when wants to jump on someone? Still at it?

Step gently on the rear paws. They learn fast...........

Dude, simple do the rabies, "tag it", and show the "judge"..Taken CARE OF, and plead "stupid", as "I didn't know..sorry" .."home free"..(spout off? ..gonna cost way more)

[Robby321]

Oh and more advice. I once got stopped for passing an ambulance. Seriously I did. Police officer is giving me the what for, and I stopped him and said. So tell me, is it against the law to pass an ambulance? He says, well no, and I said, then why stop me? He says I wanted to see whats up. I said I have a hot rod. I don't lose speed on hills, the ambulance does. So he pulls away on flat ground, and then gets all up in my face on a hill. His flashing lights hurt my eyes and were giving me a headache, so... I went around him.

Moral, it never hurts to ask an obvious question. You might get the upper hand. :D

LJ...its simple common sense here, .."which the world is sorely lacking"

[Forkin' Crazy]

Whoa..slow done a bit here. Sorry Pyro, but having a animal is a obligation to the "furry child", not some "wind up toy". Had many dogs over the years, and ALL.."go" to the vet once a year. I need no "license here", BUT, (as I lost my last GR at 9 to cancer), the new now 9 years old, is "chipped ID" fulla updated shots, etc.

And I ALSO (rural here), had a pig animail cop show up here one day. Little freaking (man) prick with earrings both ears? Said a complaint me "kicking my dog" at the marina.

HA She was a "jumper" on people a pup, and the way to stop is simple "teaching!" First do the "crook" yer foot/ankle into the chest, or when wants to jump on someone? Still at it?

Step gently on the rear paws. They learn fast...........

Dude, simple do the rabies, "tag it", and show the "judge"..Taken CARE OF, and plead "stupid", as "I didn't know..sorry" .."home free"..(spout off? ..gonna cost way more)

I hate a dog that jumps up. I usually knee them in the chest whether they are mine or not. ;) There owner doesn't train them, I will. If they are persistent I knee them a bit harder. And yea stepping on the rear feet works too, but you have to be ready for it! ;)

[Crazy Local]

Could be worse... Jupiter, FL wants your dog's DNA too so they can sample their poopy and send you a fine.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/dna-samples-will-determine-if-jupiter-residents-ar/nLtcy/

[JohnR]

I'd be happy to send them a sample of my dogs poop to get some DNA from. Maybe all the dog owners in that area ought to mail a sample to whoever had this bright idea.

[1BadAction]

Could be worse... Jupiter, FL wants your dog's DNA too so they can sample their poopy and send you a fine.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/dna-samples-will-determine-if-jupiter-residents-ar/nLtcy/

This is what happens when ass hole dog owners let their dogs crap anywhere they please as long as it's not in their own yard.

Don't get me started on cat owners that let their nearly feral un-fixed cats roam around spraying everything and anything they can. They're f'n terrorists.

[XstreamVking]

Just send the dna samples to their door step set on fire......

[Crazy Local]

I see an opportunity here to make money. Call the news, make a facebook page.. whatever. Tell them that you're going to put the beloved family dog down because you don't have the money to maintain it, and it would hurt you too bad to turn it into animal control or give it to someone else. Give out your paypal account, and watch the donations roll in!!! There are bleeding heart animal lovers just waiting to donate to your cause.....

[pyro]

My dog is almost NEVER on a leash. We let him outside, he stays in his yard, does his business, then sits on the porch to come in. If I forget to let him back in, he waits 10 minutes then barks a couple times to remind me.

I take him to work with me every day. I tell him "get in the car" and he jumps in. When we get to work, he jumps out and walks next to me to the front door, without a leash, doesn't run away, doesn't chase, jump, or even react when he sees other people walking, even if they also have a dog.

He sits patiently in the car if I need to stop at the grocery store for a while (during suitable weather.)

I took him to the vet for his rabies shot yesterday. He jumped up in another chair next to mine as we waited our turn.

He's a good kid.

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[Crazy Local]

My dog is almost NEVER on a leash. We let him outside, he stays in his yard, does his business, then sits on the porch to come in. If I forget to let him back in, he waits 10 minutes then barks a couple times to remind me.

I take him to work with me every day. I tell him "get in the car" and he jumps in. When we get to work, he jumps out and walks next to me to the front door, without a leash, doesn't run away, doesn't chase, jump, or even react when he sees other people walking, even if they also have a dog.

He sits patiently in the car if I need to stop at the grocery store for a while (during suitable weather.)

I took him to the vet for his rabies shot yesterday. He jumped up in another chair next to mine as we waited our turn.

He's a good kid.

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You're sitting on a gold mine.

[JohnR]

Looks like a vicious killer to me.

[pyro]

You're sitting on a gold mine.

Why you say?

[gregpro50]

Get the dog all legal and bring the proof into court and they might drop the charges.

[LongShot]

Don't know why so many folks are jumping on this guy. Maybe it is a bunch of buddies tongue in cheek and I just don't know it. Problem is not pushing back on stupid laws enforced by more stupid people is a major reason we are where we are today in this "country in reverse". Surely to God there are more useful ways to spend taxpayers money. If a neighbor complains they should have to accompany the officer to serve the warrant/harrass the owner. If that was the policy many fewer complaints would be made. Kind of like how brave people are sitting at their computer keyboard. Just sayin.

By the way, cute pup. Looks like a real trouble maker.

[Crazy Local]

Why you say?

hang on i'll show u

[Crazy Local]

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[NBT]

This is good, a paper trail of a Criminal Conspiracy:D

[1BadAction]

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"Like & share this dog if you love animals, ignore if you hate animals and want to go to hell."

[Markus]

"Like & share this dog if you think Ron Paul is electable, ignore if you hate animals and want to go to hell."

Corrected. :D

[1BadAction]

Corrected. :D

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[Crazy Local]

All joking aside. I put together a 3d model of what your dog might look like if you continue to carelessly avoid giving your dog a rabies shot.

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[JP Love]

Pyro they do the same for my dog licence . The ticket $424.00. I buy the licence and call the guy he take off the fine. It's easy like this try anyway you dont have the choice now. A shot and licence and peace after.. Go my friend Call the mister for arrangements and shure he gone take off the fines..

[HStream1]

OMG Thats a Assault/Attack Dog and may be banned buy our Corrupt Government.

BTW Chad. poodles are way misunderstood. They were bread as hunting Dogs. My Mom had several. Great Dogs!!! just not my preference,.

Good luck with your situation!!! And I really mean that.:cheers:


All joking aside. I put together a 3d model of what your dog might look like if you continue to carelessly avoid giving your dog a rabies shot.

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[JohnR]

I believe the correct terminology is Assault Dog. LOL!

[njj502]

Cute dog even tho I'm a Lab guy....

Chad... Your Tach is upside down & your wife left a drink in your holder.....

Paul... my damn lab jumps all the time.... I hate it and have tried to break her for almost 8 years...... funny she won't jump on me but everyone else..... Drives me nuts.... I guess she's just a lover.... Qute the neighborhood terror I know...

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[HStream1]

OK Fixed it!!!


I believe the correct terminology is Assault Dog. LOL!

[specboatops]

Cute dog even tho I'm a Lab guy....

Chad... Your Tach is upside down & your wife left a drink in your holder.....

Paul... my damn lab jumps all the time.... I hate it and have tried to break her for almost 8 years...... funny she won't jump on me but everyone else..... Drives me nuts.... I guess she's just a lover.... Qute the neighborhood terror I know...

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Good looking dog Nic !!!

[Lockjaw]

Could be worse... Jupiter, FL wants your dog's DNA too so they can sample their poopy and send you a fine.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/dna-samples-will-determine-if-jupiter-residents-ar/nLtcy/

I love that idea. We need DNA from Pyro's dog to see if we can find it in the neighbors yard and back up the animal control persons account. :D

[Lockjaw]

This is what happens when ass hole dog owners let their dogs crap anywhere they please as long as it's not in their own yard.

Don't get me started on cat owners that let their nearly feral un-fixed cats roam around spraying everything and anything they can. They're f'n terrorists.


This :iagree:. 1bad, and adult air rifle will take care of a cat. ;)

[Lockjaw]

Don't know why so many folks are jumping on this guy. Maybe it is a bunch of buddies tongue in cheek and I just don't know it. Problem is not pushing back on stupid laws enforced by more stupid people is a major reason we are where we are today in this "country in reverse". Surely to God there are more useful ways to spend taxpayers money. If a neighbor complains they should have to accompany the officer to serve the warrant/harrass the owner. If that was the policy many fewer complaints would be made. Kind of like how brave people are sitting at their computer keyboard. Just sayin.

By the way, cute pup. Looks like a real trouble maker.

Are you serious? It wouldn't matter. I had to threaten someone with cuffing and stuffing to get them to put their dog up. You know what they told me when I complained? If I didn't want their dog on my property, I needed to put up a fence. For real. I guess the fact I pay for my property and I want it dog free doesn't factor into the equation.

Pet owners, by in large are inconsiderate people. They don't want to clean up their dogs poop anymore then I want to clean it up. Out of sight (in someone elses yard) out of mind. If they were considerate, there wouldn't be a need for laws to basically enforce being considerate of others. :rolleyes:

[1BadAction]

This :iagree:. 1bad, and adult air rifle will take care of a cat. ;)
So will antifreeze.

kiddingbutnotreallykidding

[Robby321]

.. my damn lab jumps all the time.... I hate it and have tried to break her for almost 8 years...... funny she won't jump on me but everyone else..... Drives me nuts.... I guess she's just a lover.... Qute the neighborhood terror I know...


I'm still in the same position with my Golden. Still wants to jump on people at 9. Shes very gentle with kids, but she simple must think the big ones need knocking down for some loving!

[njj502]

Pet owners, by in large are inconsiderate people. They don't want to clean up their dogs poop anymore then I want to clean it up. Out of sight (in someone elses yard) out of mind. If they were considerate, there wouldn't be a need for laws to basically enforce being considerate of others. :rolleyes:

Please don't include us good owners in with your stereotype just b/c some people let their dog crap in your yard

[Robby321]

Please don't include us good owners in with your stereotype just b/c some people let their dog crap in your yard

Yep. A lot depends on location though. Here, small private mostly blue collar HOA, we all know each other. Many unimproved lots to let the dog go, have a few "dog baggie stations", we built our own dog park, dogs can run the beach left side the boat launch, right side the park, and theres a "no dogs" strict rule. No sidewalks, just "Bioswales", Ditches to the city folk. that grass filter the water run off, which ends up in the bay, and letting the dog crap there is a no-no too.
The people here REALLY take clean water serious, and thats ocean water, not drinking, as we have deep wells for potable water. But no one wants to go clamming among dog crap, much less fish in polluted water. And we have some stiff fines for the "irresponsible owners". But you will get 2 warnings, and after the bucks and loss of privileges will start.

Yeah, none us perfect, and always will be "site unseen, the hell with it", but all in alll, most simple "go by the book" (but don't get me started on the damn loose cats!)

[Robby321]

Wait, I got a better idea. Go to court and plead insanity? (HA!)

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[LongShot]

Are you serious? It wouldn't matter. I had to threaten someone with cuffing and stuffing to get them to put their dog up. You know what they told me when I complained? If I didn't want their dog on my property, I needed to put up a fence. For real. I guess the fact I pay for my property and I want it dog free doesn't factor into the equation.

Pet owners, by in large are inconsiderate people. They don't want to clean up their dogs poop anymore then I want to clean it up. Out of sight (in someone elses yard) out of mind. If they were considerate, there wouldn't be a need for laws to basically enforce being considerate of others. :rolleyes:

Serious as a heart attack, Bammer!

[pyro]

Get the dog all legal and bring the proof into court and they might drop the charges.

That's the plan. The assistant prosecutor at the pre-trial conference actually has this discretion. At least dropping one of the charges seems fair.

I never really understood the legal details of the licensing in the first place... I always thought it was an optional service that nobody does... I don't know single dog owner near me who has one. Heck, I thought the first rabies tag they gave me was also the "license." I will be going to the county courthouse tomorrow morning to get the license.

I taped the vaccination certificate to my front door. If the dog cop comes back, I am not answering the door.


Chad... Your Tach is upside down & your wife left a drink in your holder...

I flipped it over so the top end wouldn't be hiding behind the steering wheel. I don't even use the center console anymore... I can fit a lot more camping junk under the bow for weekend getaways.

[NBT]

I love that idea. We need DNA from Pyro's dog to see if we can find it in the neighbors yard and back up the animal control persons account. :D


We also need Pyro's DNA, cause, you know, just saying, maybe it aint the doggy:eek:

[Robby321]

Chad, get the dog annual shots. Rabies every 3 years, annual Lepto, and bordatella (canine cough). And "chip it". On the "dog license" crap? Old school to find a lost dog. Chip it, and vet with a scanner will know info. Got 3 great friends, one a Brookfield Zoo vet, one in SoCal, trains Sheps and Goldens "search and rescue" Plus my friend here, boat slip close me, a vet.

But if I owned that little cutie yours? And some animal cop came to me and said what you said? I would have "lost it too"..(as did, mentioned here before), and still be slamming his face in the ground.."keep looking for the "poodle Scat" azzhole"...........(damn, free range cats do a bigger "pile":rolleyes:)

[CDave]

Chad I'd call Al Sharpton and tell him the cops, animal cops, are discriminating against your dog because it's BLACK!!!

[Robby321]

Chad I'd call Al Sharpton and tell him the cops, animal cops, are discriminating against your dog because it's BLACK!!!

HA!..as kinda waiting for that!...(that idiot a simple waste of good air, and somehow lives on?")..............

[Fish]

That's the plan. The assistant prosecutor at the pre-trial conference actually has this discretion. At least dropping one of the charges seems fair.

I never really understood the legal details of the licensing in the first place... I always thought it was an optional service that nobody does... I don't know single dog owner near me who has one. Heck, I thought the first rabies tag they gave me was also the "license." I will be going to the county courthouse tomorrow morning to get the license.




good call. idk the laws up there, but this is in all likelihood a county ordinance, not a crime. if the animal control guy is not there (just the prosecutor), might try telling the prosecutor that you thought you were in compliance and did not know till animal control told you about the every 3 years thing, you just thought the original shot lasted forever. also, that animal control told you as long as you got the shots and license the charges would be dropped... never know. also dress nice, not too nice but showing respect for the court. dont try to litigate the case with the prosecutor, ask for his or her help; some have a power hard on and any perceived judge judy challenge will get a "your gonna respect ma' au-th-or-a-taaay!" response (like the animal control guy). slip in that you had to pick up extra shifts just to come up with the money to get the shots and license.

unfortunately, from what i have seen lately, courts are really strapped for cash and so are municipalities. courts are waiving fines less, and local law enforcement is much more active in money generating things like tickets for anything. i wish you the best of luck man.

[NBT]

This is not the time for Pyro to submit to the unjust raping of his constitutional rights as a citizen. You would have him roll over, like a dog getting his belly rubbed;) Thats not the teachings of Ron Paul.

No, if Pyro does not stand up for his rights as a free man, then in fact he will have no rights; whats next... drones flying around shooting dogs without RFID tags. In fact -- is this not George Orwells 1984, next we will have to have bar codes on our forearms; Pyro can stop this.

It is the right of every free citizen to have a jury trial of his peers, what would Ron Paul have done? Sweep this under the rug, I think not. Did Ron give up when when the GOP put him down? Did ron give up when he found out that tin foil is actually not made of tin, No the man filled stadiums to expose the removal of our freedoms. The man fought, and so should Pyro.

Tell that judge a thing or two about constitutional rights, the judge will appreciate it. And forget dressing nice, go and wear a dog costume, for aren't they in fact treating you as a dog. Demand a Jury trial, demand that the dog, the cute little thing, gets its own trial (just dont seat any pit bulls on the jury, they hate little furry poodles) . And dont talk, just bark at the judge.

Get the venue changed, you cant get a fair trial with all the cronnies in the same locality. Go get them Pyro, stomp the man down before you are just a target in a drone's eye. Stand up for your rights. A legend for the history books, the Battle of Pyro 2013.

[specboatops]

good call. idk the laws up there, but this is in all likelihood a county ordinance, not a crime. if the animal control guy is not there (just the prosecutor), might try telling the prosecutor that you thought you were in compliance and did not know till animal control told you about the every 3 years thing, you just thought the original shot lasted forever. also, that animal control told you as long as you got the shots and license the charges would be dropped... never know. also dress nice, not too nice but showing respect for the court. dont try to litigate the case with the prosecutor, ask for his or her help; some have a power hard on and any perceived judge judy challenge will get a "your gonna respect ma' au-th-or-a-taaay!" response (like the animal control guy). slip in that you had to pick up extra shifts just to come up with the money to get the shots and license.

unfortunately, from what i have seen lately, courts are really strapped for cash and so are municipalities. courts are waiving fines less, and local law enforcement is much more active in money generating things like tickets for anything. i wish you the best of luck man.

Excellent advise from someone who knows !!!!!!!

[petehubbell]

Bring the pooch along to your hearing. Wear some really dark glasses and get a harness for the dog. You are now "visually impaired'. Only the most hard hearted judge would up hold the fines! Just be sure no one sees you drive off when it's over! Good Luck man! PH

[Action Dave]

Please don't include us good owners in with your stereotype just b/c some people let their dog crap in your yard


Thank you. That's two times this guy has felt it necessary to crap on dog owners in this thread. I'm sorry if your neighbors are inconsiderate and they let their dogs run all over your property but that's just not the case where I live. The only place my dog goes to the bathroom is my backyard which is completely fenced. If you're stepping in my dog's crap, you're in my yard and the dog crap is the least of your worries.

[Lockjaw]

Please don't include us good owners in with your stereotype just b/c some people let their dog crap in your yard

I didn't say all ;), but you have to admit, people like you are in the minority.

And its not just the crapping, its barking at nothing, running around off a leash, getting into trash, peeing on tires. My bet is most dog owners wouldn't appreciate me tipping over their trash, making racket around their house, peeing on their tires, or pooping in their yard either.

They always try to make it seem like its no big deal. It's just a dog, its just poop, its a good watch dog etc. No its not. I pay alot of money to live where I live, and if I wanted all that mess, I'd have a dog in my yard doing it. :cheers:

[Lockjaw]

Thank you. That's two times this guy has felt it necessary to crap on dog owners in this thread. I'm sorry if your neighbors are inconsiderate and they let their dogs run all over your property but that's just not the case where I live. The only place my dog goes to the bathroom is my backyard which is completely fenced. If you're stepping in my dog's crap, you're in my yard and the dog crap is the least of your worries.

Again, I said most. When I make a blanket statement and say ALL DOG owners, then complain. I am not a dog guy. I like them just fine, but I was attacked by one as a child, so... I chose not to have one for a lot of reasons beyond just that. Most importantly, I don't like cleaning up poop. If I had a farm, it would be different, but I live in a nice subdivision, in a nice town, in a good school zone, so my kids can get a good education without learning Obama Praise Songs.

Quit being so dang thin skinned. I am not bashful, if I think you are a bad pet owner, I'll say it to you directly. :cheers:

[Robby321]

Lockyaw..ease up. I got bite by a dog decades ago a kid. Dog did not have rabies, so no stomach shots for me. But once bitten? and dogs suck? Like me in Nam, saying little Vietnamese all want to kill ya?" One mem is not reality, as some the best people (refugees out a war torn country) here are the best. And I have never seen a dog that was a "biter you"...thats the useless owner...not the dog.......

[RNM018]

Seems to me , If a man had done the right thing to start with , and hadn't been a smart ass to law enforcement when called out on it . There would be no need for this six page thread on here .

You Where Wrong , Now Face the Facts !


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[Robby321]

[QUOTE=RNM018;2465214]Seems to me , If a man had done the right thing to start with , and hadn't been a smart ass to law enforcement when called out on it . There would be no need for this six page thread on here .

You Where Wrong , Now Face the Facts !


Agree...(grudgingly though, but)........ya can't fight "City Hall", and the UNLIMITED BUDGET them...

[Action Dave]

Again, I said most. When I make a blanket statement and say ALL DOG owners, then complain. I am not a dog guy. I like them just fine, but I was attacked by one as a child, so... I chose not to have one for a lot of reasons beyond just that. Most importantly, I don't like cleaning up poop. If I had a farm, it would be different, but I live in a nice subdivision, in a nice town, in a good school zone, so my kids can get a good education without learning Obama Praise Songs.

Quit being so dang thin skinned. I am not bashful, if I think you are a bad pet owner, I'll say it to you directly. :cheers:

I get what you're saying. There are quite a few irresponsible pet owners but to say MOST are irresponsible isn't fair. I see friggin' annoying kids everyday running around but I wouldn't say most parents are irresponsible. Anywhoo...whatever

I'm not sure about your county but where I live, they have been changing rules and regs for pets a lot recently. Everything from upping fines for unregistered dogs to giving tickets to people walking a dog without having a plastic bag with them for the poop. They recently raised the fine and mandatory sentence for people caught fighting dogs substantially, which is something I really support. It is the animal control's job to make sure pet owners are more responsible. If you're dog isn't leashed, and your yard isn't fenced you get fined here. No matter how well behaved it is, if you're off your property and your dog isn't leashed, you're asking for trouble.

Now if they could only open a new Chinese restaurant near me to get rid of a few of these "outside" cats that are constantly roaming my yard.

[NBT]

Now if they could only open a new Chinese restaurant near me to get rid of a few of these "outside" cats that are constantly roaming my yard.


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[pyro]

If a man had done the right thing to start with , and hadn't been a smart ass to law enforcement when called out on it . There would be no need for this six page thread on here .

No, actually the animal cop said he was going to "have to" write me a ticket for one charge or the other, he was not willing to let me go with a warning under any circumstances. He only decided to write me for both tickets when I get smart-assed. After all, talking back is a crime, and deserves punishment under the law. Ad additional $180 fine seems fair, don't you think?

I got the license yesterday morning. My dog is fully compliant. I am mailing in the ticket today with my "not guilty" pleas. I won't need to see a judge, becasue I intend to work this out with the assistant prosecutor at the pre-trial conference. I am confident that he will drop onre of the charges... maybe both if I am lucky, and polite.



I'm a little curious how they can impose a $180 fine for each ticket. This is not consistent with the wording of the law:

287.286 Penalties; disposition of fines.

Sec. 26. Any person or police officer, violating or failing or refusing to comply with any of the provisions of this act shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall pay a fine not less than $10.00 nor more than $100.00, or shall be imprisoned in the county jail for not exceeding 3 months, or both such fine and imprisonment. Any person presenting a false claim, knowing it to be false, or receiving any money on such false claim, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction, shall pay a fine of not less than $10.00 nor more than $100.00, or shall be imprisoned in the county jail for not exceeding 3 months, or both such fine and imprisonment.

All fines collected under the provisions of this act shall be paid to the treasurer of the county to be credited to the library fund of the county.

[NBT]

287.286 Penalties; disposition of fines.

Sec. 26. shall be imprisoned in the county jail for not exceeding 3 months,

This is not the time to make nice:D Stand up for your rights, tell the judge he stinks like doggy dodo:reddevil:

[RNM018]

Chad , What Part of , If Your Aminal Would Have Been Vacinated , and Registed , The Officer Would Not Have Had To Write You Either Citation Do You Not Understand ?

This officer , was willing to work with you , and only write you one or the other till your mouth took over .
That's when he execsied his right as a Law Enforcement Officer , and wrote you up for both !

I'd be willing to bet , if your would have had a Much More Plesent Aditude , you would have gotten off with just a warning .

I've been on the wrong side of the law , more then I care to think about , and with a Yes Sir , No Sir , gone home with All , My Money , left in my own pocket .

Bottom Line , If Your Pet Was In Compliance At The Time , Where Would Have Been No Fine !

You Asked For Opinions , I'm Just Laying It Out There For You !

After All , You Wouldn't Operate Your Car , or Boat , Without A Registration and Expect To Not Get A Citation For It , Would You ?


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[pyro]

I was honest and polite at first, but he still said he would need to write me a ticket for one offense or the other. There was zero possibility of a break and a warning.

[JohnR]

I think if you had bitten your tongue and taken the one ticket without arguing you'd have a better chance of showing that you corrected the issues and hammering out a deal with the cop and prosecutor to get the judge to drop that one ticket. I learned a long time ago that the side of the road is not the place to argue with the cop giving you a ticket. Being polite, respectful, and showing a positive attitude goes a long way to getting a break. When you get to court is the time to play let's make a deal.

Got a ticket last month for my inspection on my car being expired. Didn't argue with the cop, spent some money straightening out the car, got it inspected went to court tonight, showed the cop the receipts for the parts I bought go fix it and the one that showed the car passes inspection. Cop recommended the judge drop it, he did, I walked out with a smile.


John

[Robby321]

]I think if you had bitten your tongue [/I]and taken the one ticket without arguing you'd have a better chance of showing that you corrected the issues and hammering out a deal with the cop and prosecutor to get the judge to drop that one ticket. I learned a long time ago that the side of the road is not the place to argue with the cop giving you a ticket. Being polite, respectful, and showing a positive attitude goes a long way to getting a break. When you get to court is the time to play let's make a deal.

Got a ticket last month for my inspection on my car being expired. Didn't argue with the cop, spent some money straightening out the car, got it inspected went to court tonight, showed the cop the receipts for the parts I bought go fix it and the one that showed the car passes inspection. Cop recommended the judge drop it, he did, I walked out with a smile.


John


Yep as if in the wrong, well...? I don't like lifes crap anymore now either, but when "I'm in the right"? Post 66 think. I simple gets a "little kick yer azz stupid"..."AND SHOW ME THAT ACCUSER! NOT, "we heard, we saw" with zero proof me committing a crime? Get out my face.
Also on post there, the little punk that accused me of "kicked the dog ? HA!. Let here out the house to see him, and maybe year old and 90 pounds already. She almost knocked him over jumping, and THEN I "crook the foot top the chest to stop". He walked back to the ride. Simple silent until said. "Just checking a compliant, as my job" Said no problem, and it was over with.