Do Pad Vee boats like cleavers?

[mercman867]

I was interested in buying a Pad Vee boat such as an Intimidator, Progression, Superboat, Tuff or checkmate pulsare and was wondering how they react to cleaver props? I see that these types of boats run all types of props ranging from trophy 24s to bravo 32s. How would these boats react with a cleaver prop? Paded Vee boats seem to generate quite some natural lift so I guess it makes sense to run a cleaver prop for Max performance?

Expert opinions please :)

[vnemous]

I had a 22 cleaver on my 21 challenger and while it wasnt the fastest it did lift the whole boat which was great considering they are stern lifting props. Now I tried one on my superboat and it forced the bow down causing it to bow steer. No Bueno.

[pyro]

They're good for lightweight pad-vees such as Vectors and V-kings, but anything heavier may struggle to get the bow up. Cleavers offer very little trim-induced bowlift.

However, my boat is not exactly lightweight, and a cleaver pushed it 7 mph faster than anything else I've tried on it.

[mercman867]

So I guess the Cleaver seems to work on the lighter boats. So what is considered light when dealing with an SOB? 2000lbs fully rigged?

[vnemous]

Actually I experienced just the opposite as my challenger was about 600 lbs heavier than my super. Might have alot to do with balance. If you got one try it.

[tux974]

Actually I experienced just the opposite as my challenger was about 600 lbs heavier than my super. Might have alot to do with balance. If you got one try it.

:iagree: Every boat or setup will act and run different! Try it!

[vnemous]

Tony please stop agreeing with me. Makes me feel like sometimes I know what Im talking about:D

See you at Baldy Large Fest II, you do have a boat dont you.

PS Kev is lucky to work with me.

[tux974]

Tony please stop agreeing with me. Makes me feel like sometimes I know what Im talking about:D
But ....you do!! :D:smiletest:

See you at Baldy Large Fest II, you do have a boat dont you.
Yes, sir...Nice row boat. Maybe someone can tow me around, I have a new long rope ;):D:smiletest:

PS Kev is lucky to work with me.
OH yes, so is Scott and let's not forget Geo;):D:thumbsup:

[Roos]

Please correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the speed affect this greatly?

I have a V-boat with pad. It's 17 feet and maybe 550 + gas + motor + steering + people.
I used to run it with a 90 hp mercury and even with a 6 inch setback found that more bow lift was better.
My topspeed then eventually got to 56 mph. This was with a Spinelli DR4.

Now I have a 200 2.4 on it and even though this weighs less than my 90 hp and my powerlift (which I don't run anymore) I was thinking I would get better topspeed and maybe even better handling with a cleaver. Just since I am expecting 80 + mph, and I guess something giving less bow-lift per mph will give the same bow-lift as the Spinelli DR4 at 56 mph? (Time will tell when I finally get my cooling problem sorted).

[terry taylor]

Most stock cleavers will need custom work per . application.Having a prop [lock up] with the water is a nice sensation, and seems more prevelent with cleaver types thanks.

[dnelson964]

It's all about the boat weight and that weight distribution + plus hull air packing ability at higher speeds+ windy day v. calm day v. HP and the list goes on. Like most have said " All boats will like whatever prop works the best and only actual seat trial will tell". Run everything you can.

I think your spinelli DR4 will work better all around as a total lifting prop then a cleaver. My boat 'did not' run fastest with a cleaver

I'm guessing a RAKER style or HOSS might run you fastest. JMO

[terry taylor]

That is a good point, raker over cleaver. I,ve been working on my24 raker which I,d like to have pitched to 26 and cupped. Surfacing with a good lock-up,accel,s great ,carries weight better. I,d be ok with 6200 at 26 pitch thanks.

[Jason Johnson]

My fastest prop is my cleaver, it was my 3rd prop. I was told when I bought it that it would be the fastest. 37 props and 4 years later this is still true

[terry taylor]

Hope this is relative to this thread. I have seen round ear props that appear to have had the blade tips snipped off. Is this a mfg. or a modification? What is the purpose thanks ?

[terry taylor]

Me too Jason, so far 28 cleaver 6200 thanks.

[revlimiter]

They're good for lightweight pad-vees such as Vectors and V-kings, but anything heavier may struggle to get the bow up. Cleavers offer very little trim-induced bowlift.

However, my boat is not exactly lightweight, and a cleaver pushed it 7 mph faster than anything else I've tried on it.

Thanks Pyro,Your input is always thought highly of....you still running the cracked skeg?

[dnelson964]

Hope this is relative to this thread. I have seen round ear props that appear to have had the blade tips snipped off. Is this a mfg. or a modification? What is the purpose thanks ?

The snipped off trailing edge is to reduce bow lift and make the prop run more like a cleaver at top end but retain better out of the hole like a chopper. If you have a boat with more stern weight and a light bow they can work well. Sometimes called a 'cleaper'.

[pyro]

Thanks Pyro,Your input is always thought highly of....you still running the cracked skeg?

The skeg itself is not cracked-- Only the weld at the torque tab. It's not going anywhere.

[revlimiter]

The skeg itself is not cracked-- Only the weld at the torque tab. It's not going anywhere.

You dont have to convince me its ok.Some guys wouldnt let there friends and family in a boat with questionable skeg.While others are would rather save a few bucks and roll the dice on peoples safety.

[pyro]

Did you see the photo I posted? The crack only shows up on one side, and it turns back toward the tail of the tab, NOT forward into the casting of the skeg. It's been like that for six years. It's not going anywhere.

When did this turn into the "flame pyro" thread.

I'll be out on the water with my family today.

Buzz off.

[revlimiter]

Did you see the photo I posted? The crack only shows up on one side, and it turns back toward the tail of the tab, NOT forward into the casting of the skeg. It's been like that for six years. It's not going anywhere.

When did this turn into the "flame pyro" thread.

I'll be out on the water with my family today.

Buzz off.

If your going to be a know it all,at least practice what you preach.Im sure your cores nice and dry....:thumbsup:

[frederick55]

If your going to be a know it all,at least practice what you preach.Im sure your cores nice and dry....:thumbsup:

Nice guy! Be sure to keep up the great, positive feedback.:nonod:
"Buzz" off is a nice way to put it.

[revlimiter]

Nice guy! Be sure to keep up the great, positive feedback.:nonod:
"Buzz" off is a nice way to put it.

Thanks for your input,I truly value your opinion Fredrick55.

[frederick55]

Thanks for your input,I truly value your opinion Fredrick55.

Anytime.

[1FASTLASER]

Can't you actually do have some stern lifting charecteristics put into a over hub such as a raker?

[pyro]

A Raker with stern lifting characteristics is called a Mercury Tempest Plus. ;)

[200VEGAS]

over hub such as a raker?b raker is thru hub, jussain

[Mr. Demeanor]

raker is thru hub, jussain

Holy crap you've taken my most hated phrase and made it worse! :D

[1FASTLASER]

Oops .....my bad....i meant a thru hub on my post.....i was just stating that i think i have heard that the prop Benders could do something to thru hubs that would increase there stern lifting charecteristics .....but i could b wrong....lol you know how oldtimers can b.......lol

[terry taylor]

I,ve just had an explanation recently. If you snip the tips off the blades and roll the edges, you have a cleaper I think, which helps lift.[ don.t blame me thanks.]:leaving:

[engineermike]

I ran many different props on a Pulsare BR2100, including TXP 3 blade, Yamaha T1, Trophy+, Tempest+, Hydromotive Quad IV OB/C, but never a Cleaver. The fastest one was the Yamaha T1 which had the most rake (and progressive) leading to a lot of bow lift. According to Mark Croxton, the T1 provides more bow lift than any other prop. The Cleaver is the opposite.

I have no opinion on cracked skegs.