LI Skater crashs under Robert Moses bridge

[Johnny Venomous]

Saw it on the news. Not good!!!!!! Anybody know which skater it was.

[RED DRAGON 1]

bski on here

[mikeylarge]

This thread will only go in a negative direction, please delete it... He doesnt need the added commentary

[Johnny Venomous]

Figured it had to be one of guys on here. Sucks bad for all involved.

[Johnny Venomous]

Was just curious which boat it was. Sorry about the added attention. I'll try to delete.

[Fast Shafts]

I don't think this should be deleted, boats, booze, speed, and 4 am leads to disaster. Thoughts and prayers for the victims,RIP....

[Rayzor]

This thread should NOT be deleted. It should serve as a reminder to everyone on here that alcohol and the performance boats we all love DO NOT MIX!!! I personally NEVER drink when I'm in one of my performance boats. It's a tragedy that an innocent victim lost his life in this incident, and one of our own's life will be forever changed due to a bad judgement call to drive his fast boat while intoxicated (at 4:00 AM even!). My condolences go out to all those whose lives are affected by this tragedy........

[albypine]

Very sad news...hope the best for all involved..

[Brabender]

This is very sad news. I feel for all involved. Thoughts and prayers.

[transomstand]

Very, very sad news.

[Tom Foley]

Very, very sad news.

http://www.news12.com/articleDetail.jsp?articleId=324680&position=1&news_type=news


this is just horrible .

[rock]

Just read about it. Very sad deal all around.

Rock

[mikeylarge]

The reason i wanted this deleted, the assumptions being made that excessive speed was a factor is not true. The circumstances of the accident are absolutely the worst possible scenario a boater could ever have to deal with. Weather the driver was sober, or intoxicated the outcome would have been the same based off the reason why he never saw the fishing boat. Never make assumptions based off of opinions that media publishes. This accident could have been any one of us.

[gm250]

Delete this post

[dez nuts]

delete this postagreed

[ghost28]

The reason i wanted this deleted, the assumptions being made that excessive speed was a factor is not true. The circumstances of the accident are absolutely the worst possible scenario a boater could ever have to deal with. Weather the driver was sober, or intoxicated the outcome would have been the same based off the reason why he never saw the fishing boat. Never make assumptions based off of opinions that media publishes. This accident could have been any one of us.

Agreed 100%

Unfortunate situation for all involved.....

[METALMUNCHER72]

This is so definetly terrible, for all involved. Just watched on NEWSDAY, and nothing was said about "excessive speed" but did say the driver was charged with BWI, and has been arrested. I don't think this topic should be deleted, its a bad punch in the jaw of reality.. Prayers sent to all the families involved and god speed to the guy who lost his life on the fishing vessel.

[Club Drew]

Very sad I agree we don't know if fishing boat gave way conditions etc etc!looks like a great day started gone very bad!

[hydroViper235]

yea im not understanding the delete part?
cant delete reality?
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/long-island-man-struck-speedboat-found-dead-robert-moses-bridge-article-1.1101251

[Superbender]

Thought and prayers to all involved,very sad indeed.

[transomstand]

ANY information about our sport, and our friend should NOT be deleted.

ALL speculation from people who have NO IDEA what happened SHOULD BE DELETED.

I have seen the boat on TV this morning, and the starboard side, and front of the sponsons are undamaged. The boat sits correctly on the trailer, it is NOT a splintered hull you would expect from a high speed impact.

[beer30]

Prayers sent to everyone involved. I do not think this thread should be deleted, this is our sport. We must take the good with the bad. Chuck

[philip1]

Delete???? Why?? ??? you guys must be f'n kidding me,,, ,, if a BWI was issued, to the operator of the Cat. The police must have had good reason to issue the BWI,,,if this was a innocent accident that is one thing,, If he was drunk,, it is no accident.

[dnelson964]

Very tragic and sad. Deepest sympathies to all and their families.

[stokernick]

Life's very fragile,please handle with care! Thoughts and prayers go out out to all.may God Bless and Comfort.

[RNM018]

Very Sad Indeed !
Night Boating , brings on many differant problems as far a safety is concerned .
Without being there , we will never know exactly what the cercumstances of this accident may have been , and posably not at all the young mans fault that was opperating the Skater .
Sadly , there was alchol involved , and that something that will not be in his favor at all .

Prayer Sent To All Involved !

Rich Martin 018

[Ron V]

Love how the media has to get their digs in by calling it a "speedboat" instead of a "boat". Just that little extra twist of the knife.

[stv92]

Delete this post: WHY?,thats what this is all about.

Drinking & driving at 100mph & at night?

I run an STV, 30ft cat with 3-2.5s.And a few others.
Drinking and driving at these speed is just stupid.

We would race all day long, then put the boats on the trailer.
Now, lets get the party started!

Even the local water patrol is no better, they wave & say hi to local boats as long as they are not playing stupid.

We are on the water to learn & to teach others.
Beer and cars dont mix, boat,water (no brainer!)

My prayers go out to all involved,
Life is to short to be stupid!

[transomstand]

I've changed my mind, this thread should be deleted.

The last thing we need is absurd speculation with a "Holier than thou" attitude.:leaving:

[JUPITER PULSARE]

Very sad both for the guy who lost his life (and his family) and the owner of the Skater who's life just became very complicated...prayers to all and a reminder that having a great time in fast boats doesn't have to contain alcohol....save it for port when you've returned home...

[300x Stoker]

Maybe this is the perfect place to set the record straight. Wouldn't want the news media spreading any more false information than they already do?

[dez nuts]

I've changed my mind, this thread should be deleted.

The last thing we need is absurd speculation with a "Holier than thou" attitude.:leaving:Thats why i was saying that we need to delelet this thread, We don;t no all the details to this yet and there is way to much speculation already here, The press will publish whatever they think happened and the cops give there side before a investagation is even completed just because the guy had a drink and i am not saying thats okay because it is not, we don;t know the details to what really happened here and anything that we may think was the cause in peer speculation, this in a aweful thing to have happened, This happens everyday on the streets we live in and unfornatally it happens now and then on the water, We all make mistakes and have to pay for them hopefully there was more details to this accendent than we have heard so far, Maybe the fishing boats running lights where not working properlly until we hear all the details and get the facts we need to not pass any judgement.

Also this sport we all love so much doesn;t need anymore black marks this sport can;t stand anymore bad press, we are loseing are rights everyday in this country and any negative press on the speed boat world needs to be avoided at all cost, I feel horriable for everyone involved and prey that the familys and friends can deal with this situatuion and come through it, it has to be a bad deal for everyone.

We lost a close friend a few years back in a accedient here and not a day goes by that i don;t think of him, we are all a tight nit group and have to look out for one another. Thanks Dave

[beer30]

I've changed my mind, this thread should be deleted.

The last thing we need is absurd speculation with a "Holier than thou" attitude.:leaving:

Everybody on this website has made mistakes in their life. Some are more serious then others. If somebody wants to come on here and pass judgement, then that is on them. God bless them, because I know nobody on here is perfect. Chuck

[FormulaZR]

Regardless of the circumstances surrounding this situation, my thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved. Regardless of where fault lies, it will be a hard thing to live with.

[timeless61]

The reason i wanted this deleted, the assumptions being made that excessive speed was a factor is not true. The circumstances of the accident are absolutely the worst possible scenario a boater could ever have to deal with. Weather the driver was sober, or intoxicated the outcome would have been the same based off the reason why he never saw the fishing boat. Never make assumptions based off of opinions that media publishes. This accident could have been any one of us.

can you elaborate on this or explain?

thanks

[Brabender]

Heard from someone on the fishing boat which was on its way to a shark tournament.
Apparently they only saw the skater comming head on at the last second and swerved, to try to avoid.
This why the damage is on the port side. They did not simply drive into the side as reported.
Anyone who has ever driven near the bridge at night will know that
it is very difficult to judge between the red and white bridge lights and the running lights on a boat.
A very sad and trajic series of events. This is not a place for judge and jury.
please keep in mind that this is a close friend to many here
on this site, which should be meant for support and not destruction.

[Dirk Pitt]

Boating at night brings on a whole set of physiological issues, night vison, depth perseption, and a myriad of other problems, I for one do not like night boating at night, and if I do and its rare I will not travel over 25/30 mph.
if this guy was drunk and traveling 70 80 mph and killed someone, I ask ask anyone, if that was your brother, father, sister mother or dear friend,how would you be reacting, this guy didnt care and unfortunatly he walked away.........

[albypine]

can you elaborate on this or explain?

thanks
Shsould have saved your 59th post for something else...everytime something like this happends all jack a@@es with low post counts has to say negative chit...really...do all the great members a favor and shove your 2 cents worth up ur a$$...he was a friend and someone that showed up to events and is a family member to most on this site...not like the worthless a$$ holes who think there life is so f...ing perfect

[Brabender]

Dirk You know I have know beef with you... But I think your choice of words is
irresponsible and Pure Speculation... How do you know what this guy is thinking or feeling.
I sincerly hope that someone close to you was not involved in this and if so I am truly sorry for your
loss. I say leave the thread but lets keep it clean

Again, Thoughts and prayers to all involved

[mrpenguin]

This thread should not be deleted.

I understand that he is a member here and friend of many but we can not sweep this under the carpet.

A 39 year man is dead due to a very preventable accident. God bless all those involved.

[Ron V]

Drinking & driving at 100mph & at night?


Judging strictly from the photos of the two boats, I highly doubt he was going 100 or anywhere close to it. The media LIVES for incidents like this. Let's not add to it.

Prayers for ALL involved, including bski. The guy who died is not the only one whose life ended yesterday and that is a shame as well.

[gm250]

Delete this post not to sweep under the rug.there is friends or family on site and could cause more problems .this is a great site with a lot of good people we all have opinions lets not make it worse. Thoughts and prayers to all friends and family's thanks

[timeless61]

albypine, should have saved your 1,814th post.

by asking if he can elaborate or explain, I did not pass any judgement, I actually did the opposite, I asked a question to hopefully gain more facts or knowledge to the situation. he said the accident would have happened sober or intoxicated, regardless, so I wanted to see if he knew what the real story was? all that has been reported is someone charged with a BWI in a 24 Skater hit the side of a fishing boat. I was not questioning the deleting the thread part, but, if the thread had been deleted, all I would know is what the media reported, which is worse...

Brabender, thanks for the explanation, that would make sense. as others have said the media will never give the real story, so I asked a person who seemed to have knowledge from parties involved what actually happened.

I for one, would like to know what happened, I would not think they were going fast, the Skater looks to have hardly any damage. I do not generally boat at night, and the bodies of water I boat on do not have bridges. so I am unfamiliar with what it is like at night near a bridge. I would like to learn something from this if possible.

I hope all parties involved are able to move on from this.

[tux974]

Very, very sad indeed for everyone involved :(
IMPO, this thread if not deleted should be LOCKED.
It is doing absolutely NO good to keep speculating as to what happened, how it happened and for anyone to be making unfounded comments. We may never know the actual truth of what happened and at this point does it really matter to us?
The truth of the matter is, it is extremely sad for the entire family of the person that was killed and equally sad for one of our own and a friend. A real nice person that made a terrible life changing mistake that he will have to live with the rest of his life :(
If it will make anyone feel better, yes, no matter what, you should not drink and drive any vehicle :nonod:
My prayers go out for ALL involved!!!
My 2 cents!

[Dirk Pitt]

Dirk You know I have know beef with you... But I think your choice of words is
irresponsible and Pure Speculation... How do you know what this guy is thinking or feeling.
I sincerly hope that someone close to you was not involved in this and if so I am truly sorry for your
loss. I say leave the thread but lets keep it clean

Again, Thoughts and prayers to all involved

i know you dont and I respect your opinion but this guy was drunk and took his loaded gun, because thats what these boats are in the wrong hands, and with reckless disregard for human life killed someones father and husband think of what his kids are going through right now !!

[Euroski]

Prayers out to the familes. That said, alcohol and boats don't mix whether 1000hp or 5hp and then add nighttime makes things worse!</SPAN>

[Brabender]

i know you dont and I respect your opinion but this guy was drunk and took his loaded gun, because thats what these boats are in the wrong hands, and with reckless disregard for human life killed someones father and husband think of what his kids are going through right now !!. Ditto. Very very sad. For all

[Instigator]

Alcohol or not, proof of the dangers of boating at night. From the looks of the two boats (and accident report) the Skater went in to the side of the Hatteras. Strongest part of the Skater hit the weakest part of the fish boat. Would explain limited damage to the Skater. They could'nt have been going too fast though because it's passengers would have hit the Hatteras.
Regardless, I know too many people that do this type of boating and because they get away with it they thinks it's safe. Passengers all think it's way cool w/a drink in your hands and the stereo blaring.
It's not. Matter of the odd's catching up w/you.
God speed to those involved.

[21eagle]

Very sad for all involved. The speculation is ****. Everyone has an opinion fact is a guy lost his life and another has to live with that. Very sad for both families I agree lock this thread before too many tools post nonsense

[21eagle]

Very sad for all involved. The speculation is ****. Everyone has an opinion fact is a guy lost his life and another has to live with that. Very sad for both families I agree lock this thread before too many tools post nonsense fact is could have been many of us on here on either side of equation

[njj502]

Thoughts to all involoved. Sad, sad, sad..... Quite the reminder how fast it can go wrong during the night.

[jdinny]

This thread should NOT be deleted. It should serve as a reminder to everyone on here that alcohol and the performance boats we all love DO NOT MIX!!! I personally NEVER drink when I'm in one of my performance boats. It's a tragedy that an innocent victim lost his life in this incident, and one of our own's life will be forever changed due to a bad judgement call to drive his fast boat while intoxicated (at 4:00 AM even!). My condolences go out to all those whose lives are affected by this tragedy........

I agree 100%
Sincere condolences to the Mannino family. God Speed Christopher, and good luck to bski.
By looking at the skater, I doubt very seriously that he was going 100mph. No way.

[SuperBoat Steve]

This is very sad for all involved. Thoughts and prayers. RIP !

[Adam McKeon]

This thread should NOT be deleted. It should serve as a reminder to everyone on here that alcohol and the performance boats we all love DO NOT MIX!!! I personally NEVER drink when I'm in one of my performance boats. It's a tragedy that an innocent victim lost his life in this incident, and one of our own's life will be forever changed due to a bad judgement call to drive his fast boat while intoxicated (at 4:00 AM even!). My condolences go out to all those whose lives are affected by this tragedy........

Ditto...

[Speed Jr.]

Sad event....especially for the family of the deceased passenger on the fishing boat.

ps...deleting this thread wont change a damn thing.

[JR IN JAX]

I have met more than a few hi-performance boaters who are willing to risk BUI, but it just should not happen. Just because we know them and they might be friends does not mean we should ignore the carnage they are willing to risk.

[powerabout]

going fast - added risk
boating at night - added risk
doing those 2 through a bridge - double them

[rev.ronnie]

If anyone has any information, or a link, to a fund set up for the victim's family and the negligent party, could they please post it. I will be the first to donate to both. These people need our help now.

This is a boating community, we have to support those who have lost loved ones, and also show support to a fellow boater who may have made a bad decision that could destroy his life as well.

Lets stick to the big picture of what is best for the boating community as a whole.

[Phil's other half...Sue.]

I am so sorry for all involved!!! prayers sent!

[powerabout]

Well done Ronnie
BUT the best thing for all of us is to think before the boater acts to prevent the negative press

[Mr. Daytona]

going fast - added risk
boating at night - added risk
doing those 2 through a bridge - double them

Psst...
You forgot to factor in drinking over the legal limit.
Deleting or locking the thread is merely trying to hush hush a very unfortunate incident and quell any possible negativity toward a person that people obviously know. Unfortunately, speculation will happen as it always does regardless of the website or news outlet, and some will have to suck it up. Police didn't charge the operator with BUI based on speculation. This is only the beginning as he may likely face more serious charges including manslaughter.

[powerabout]

the drinking may or may not of had anything to do with it unfortunatley it can take you from 100% in the right to 100% in the wrong

[MercNuts]

I think this thread has an important function in that it is another reminder of the dangers of boating at night, boating at night at any speed other than slow, and boating while drinking. I think it is possible to be past legal limits and not be impared and in that case the presence of the alcohol makes such an accident your fault even if the other party is to blame. That alone should make anyone stop and think really hard before they drink and drive, whether by land, sea or air. It's wrong for anyone to speculate on what the true cause of the accident was, but it will now be squarely in Brian's lap regardless because of the alcohol charge. Someone speculated that he may face manslaugher. I dont know the law in New York, but in Alabama he could face something more serious, like vehicular homicide. Two families here have a tragic outcome and their lives will be forever changed. Hopefully when tragedies like this are discussed maybe someone else will be more cautious, especially at night, drinking or not.

[hemi2005]

If anyone has any information, or a link, to a fund set up for the victim's family and the negligent party, could they please post it. I will be the first to donate to both. These people need our help now.

This is a boating community, we have to support those who have lost loved ones, and also show support to a fellow boater who may have made a bad decision that could destroy his life as well.

Lets stick to the big picture of what is best for the boating community as a whole.

In my opinion, what's best for the boating community as a whole, would be to start a fund for the family of the man who was killed needlessly. And while we're at it, how about a fund for a fellow boater who's darling wife was taken from him in a boating accident recently (Hydro BP)? I didn't notice if anyone had done that yet.

[Eggsuckindog]

the drinking may or may not of had anything to do with it unfortunatley it can take you from 100% in the right to 100% in the wrong

It does put a heavy burden in play, although he may not have been over the limit - BUI can used if considered impaired, including DUI as well and under the limit. As stated without any real facts alcohol may not have played any factor at all - the statements of excessive speed cannot be validated either, might have been barely on plane, which is probably closer to the truth at night. As stated by some very knowledgable boaters the damage appears to not indicate excessive speed - Instagator is a pretty sharp guy IMHO.

Very sad for all involved, I run at night quite a bit in waters I know very well - and its very different, backlightning can make things very very difficult for the driver. Try coming into a lighted shoreline and pick out a pair of running lights sometime - ain't easy and scary - with additional red and green lights worse.

[Ron V]

Ithe statements of excessive speed cannot be validated either, might have been barely on plane, which is probably closer to the truth at night.

There was a fatal accident on a lake about 30 minutes from where I live, a few years ago. Holiday weekend, 1:00 AM. Guy driving a Sea Ray only 15 mph, killed a 21 year old girl who was fishing with a friend in a Starcraft. It doesn't take a lot of speed for a fatality when you run smack into someone. Oh yeah, he was .18 BAC and is doing 10 years for it. Their defense was that the fishing boat had no lights on, but the findings ruled that anyone sober could have seen the boat anyway with the moon and shore lighting and they couldn't prove if the lights were working or not before accident. The drunk was also a towboat driver for the local ski team and taught boating safety classes.

[Ghost S84]

Here is the only things that should be said at this time : God be with all parties affected by this tradgedy. God bless the deceased.

And People shouldn't speak definitively/pass judgement until the TRUTH comes out.

[Robby321]

OK, I need to chime in here. Saw the thread at 3 pages, this morning. Now 5. DO NOT DELETE the post, as someone will LEARN SOMETHING. I been in boats since 5 years old, now 62. Let me relate a story here. (Ron V, you will understand this, 70's, Chain of Lakes)..

So somewhere in the middle 70's, had a screaming 1500XS, on a Switzercraft. Ran a good 73 then. We used ta "CLOSE DOWN ALL THE "Chain Bars, 2am". Remember one night, I was down at the McHenry bridge, down river. 3 bars right there. 4 us in the boat, heading back up river, as home base was Pistakke, (more on that, in the next post, as "night navigation"..is the meat my thread here).

So we pile in, (oh yeah, this was the days I NEVER, went out in the boat, without 18 beers in a cooler, and 18 gallons gas, in the 3 6G tanks....and those were the 70's"..too...(think a tiny spoon, "white stuff".)

So we leave, fog coming in, and , the "all front, get on plane..(SS shaft, 2 b 14x28 cupped). So we go under a bridge, and "thought I saw something, don't look right. On the river there, ya stays right. ALWAYS! So the last thing I saw, at a good 65mph, I caught a street light, after, off the bridge, showing a good 35 footer, plowing along, 5 foot wake. Did I see the front "Nav Red/Green..Light"..

NO, as some idiot kid was "sitting n the bow", COVERING THE DAMN LIGHT! When we hit that first wave/wake, and the fog layer was only a low, 2 foot, thick, hate to say, I LAUNCHED THAT PUPPY SKYWARD! And all I saw was ..The "moon"! Look back, and the whole boat was out of the water! Saw t come down, white the bright, white, Nav light, off the stern. We lived, but I'll finish the "storys, next post...(I Gotta have.."GOOD ANGELS).....

[Robby321]

OK, a year or two later, still out.."closing bars" House was just inside channel, from old 'Happy Ours, Resort'..(no, torn down, condo's too..sad) So I come screaming bye, 100 foot off shore, amaze the still open bar..(the bartender, daughter of the owner the Resort was my GF then too, Laura Wilson..(anyone know of her, love to hook up with her, decades alter)..but I digress..

So I come flying by, "full tilt, WOT". Thing is, the RT 12 road/shoreline/Ben Watts Marina , was only maybe 1/4 mile. MANY BRIGHTER LIGHTS THERE. So as I get near the bar boat parking dock, "THANK GOD", he turned to Port, and the bars lights showed some white hull right in front me, as I could not see the front light, him going forward at first, plus background bright lights. (Damn, this gets scary, when I think it)
I'm probably less than 50 yards.....and I'm Serious here ..running 70, and my only hope, was to do a HARD, left wheel, off the gas..(foot pedal) slide in until I'm 15 foot away, (I SAW the faces them too, as a good 6 people, in a 16 foot TriHull) do a FAST, "spin the wheel right, nail it, dragged the azzend, to the left now, and missed then by a few feet. Came back, said .."Ya all ok?...as I DIDN'T SEE YOUR REAR LIGHT" I found out fast, then, as the girl still sitting on the rear deck, still "BLOCKING THE REAR LIGHT, FROM MY ORIGINAL DIRECTION"

OK, thing is, on "what might have happened"? I looked at the pix, big boat, and the Skater. Aint no way, a "center punch at 100. or whatever"..Looked to me, more like 30/40 cruising, saw the "oh CHIT" , cranked wheel left, and the ass end slid into the big boat. Witness the side damage, the big boat. I was in a friends jet boat, and it simple "quit", now no steering. Slammed into a chugging houseboat, at 20, tore the side the boat off, still floated OK, and no one hurt.
On what .."might have happened? If ya didn't see it, don't comment. My take? ....as happened to me, bet someone, or somehow, the rear Nav light, was blocked. And if that big of boat, the "Required", top white, 180 rear running, 360 degrees "on the hook", would blend into any white bridge lights.

Anyway, just thought I would tell ya, just how fast, "chit can happen". Also feel sorry for all involved, as life as they knew it, (survivors) will never be the same. Bad enough a "accident happened", but now?...decades of lawyers/courts, Damn..best I can say..."its tough enough in the daytime....no more "nights for me"....be careful, and put the "think Cap on, before the fire and pedal"..

[rev.ronnie]

In my opinion, what's best for the boating community as a whole, would be to start a fund for the family of the man who was killed needlessly. And while we're at it, how about a fund for a fellow boater who's darling wife was taken from him in a boating accident recently (Hydro BP)? I didn't notice if anyone had done that yet.

That was my first concern...the victim, or his family as it would be. My second concern would be the young man who will most certainly need legal representation to best serve him. A large portion of his young life could be at stake here. the legal ramifications will most certainly send a wave throughout the community in negative PR and more.

Put up a cause or benifet on here that will help a fellow boater in need, and I'll support it...and most of the others on here will as well. It's strength in numbers.

[albypine]

That was my first concern...the victim, or his family as it would be. My second concern would be the young man who will most certainly need legal representation to best serve him. A large portion of his young life could be at stake here. the legal ramifications will most certainly send a wave throughout the community in negative PR and more.

Put up a cause or benifet on here that will help a fellow boater in need, and I'll support it...and most of the others on here will as well. It's strength in numbers.x2,,,,,,

[Instigator]

Problem w/the alcohol is your are guilty by association. If a cop is investigating the accident and smells it on your breath, see's empties in the boat, someone on the beach/sand bar saw you drinking, are in a fast/flashy "appearing" boat, observed going fast (define fast), driving erraticly (define that one too) etc, etc. So much of that is based on perception and difficult if not impossible to talk your way out of.
As already said, in our sport we are way out numbered by the nay sayers and thats especially true in the media.
If they can put the words alcohol and speed into the story..........., you're in trouble.
I think of this all the time on the way back from the beach/sand bar. The reality of the event doesn't matter as much as the witnesses perception of the event.
A very sad story regardless but would be treated way differently if there were no alcohol involved and both boats were fish boats.
Observers and non performance people like to see our boats but watch their tune change if they're involved in any kind of incident or we do something beyond their norm.

[87starflite]

Let this be a lesson to all of us. Put the alcohol and type of boats aside and view this as a boating accident and all of us need to learn and think twice in the future about boating and the precautions we do or do not take to ensure our safety. Think twice the next time you are boating especially at night without a vest on. In hindsight this could have happened to anyone of us in broad day light. Had the crew of both parties worn lifevests the outcome of this may have been different. This poor gentleman may still have his life if he had not sank to the bottom and dissappeared for 12 hours.

I feel terrible for the family of the deceased and have a friend of the family who was supposed to be fishing on that boat. I am also a friend of brians and it is unfair for any of us to judge him without hearing exactly what occurred that night. We have all had a drink and gotten behind the wheel and would consider ourselves more than fit drive. Had a freak accident occurred unrelated to anything other than pure human error we may be in te same position. Unfortunately the media is going to eat brian alive and twist everything. I can not defend either party as i do not know what occurred at that moment but just think twice before you pass judgement because you never know wen you may be in the same unfortunate situation.

[SuperBoat Steve]

It's in the news every day and it happened to me . I was hit by a drunk driver, I guess you can cay I'm the lucky one.

this was last night http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/teen-killed-in-lindenhurst-car-crash-1.3802988

[specboatops]

Very sad to read this. How quickly life can change. God Bless all that this has touched. Prayers to the familys involved !

[LaveyT]

Sad news, Prayers sent to all touched by this tragedy.

I personally dont boat after dark, too many close calls. 4 A.M ?

[JR IN JAX]

Over the last several years we have had several PWC fatal accidents. The common denominator; 3-4AM and alcohol.

There was a Drunk Jacksonville Fireman with a couple of previous DUIs that left Hooters after several hours of drinking and his Mastercraft at WOT cut 2 of our neighbors docks in half at 11PM...
It killed him and his B-I-L and left his F-I-L a semi-vegetable. The F-I-L's family sued our neighbor's for their 50-year old docks because they had no lighting. They collected over a half a million. The boat would have hit the shore if the docks were not there since the driver passed out with an .032 BAL. The boat missed our dock by inches.

You can not trust your reasoning on how much to drink while boating since the alcohol affects your reasoning [and reaction time].

Relying on your reasoning while drinking is like not checking [yourself and dive partners] for Nitrogen Narcosis on a deep dive [which is hard to determine on yourself in a stoned state]. I have had this happen on a 210' cave dive...

The smartest policy is just not to drink while boating, since boating in itself is enough fun not to need alcohol.....and you feel great the next day.

DUI boating hurts all of us in stricter laws and higher insurance/no insurance on on rigs...

[Mr. Demeanor]

I have met more than a few hi-performance boaters who are willing to risk BUI, but it just should not happen. Just because we know them and they might be friends does not mean we should ignore the carnage they are willing to risk.

Let not forget how the actions of a few effect us all. Insurance, speed limits, regulations, etc. all come from the perception of our sport.

[Ron V]

Gary brought up a good point - the perceived speed issue. When I had my 90 hp V-4 on my boat, it only went 50 mph. I had a couple of people - even experienced boaters - who thought that it was running a LOT faster than that. Our rigs look fast sitting on the trailer, so people are always going to overestimate the speed.

As far as drinking goes, I remember a very disturbing thing that I learned long ago either in a boating safety class or a magazine. After several hours in the hot sun, the combination of wave action, dehydration, and a little monoxide from the motor can decrease your senses almost to the level of legal intoxication. That's without one drink.

[Tom D.]

Prayers to all involved.

[Jim Morris]

Problem w/the alcohol is your are guilty by association. If a cop is investigating the accident and smells it on your breath, see's empties in the boat, someone on the beach/sand bar saw you drinking, are in a fast/flashy "appearing" boat, observed going fast (define fast), driving erraticly (define that one too) etc, etc. So much of that is based on perception and difficult if not impossible to talk your way out of.
As already said, in our sport we are way out numbered by the nay sayers and thats especially true in the media.
If they can put the words alcohol and speed into the story..........., you're in trouble.
I think of this all the time on the way back from the beach/sand bar. The reality of the event doesn't matter as much as the witnesses perception of the event.
A very sad story regardless but would be treated way differently if there were no alcohol involved and both boats were fish boats.
Observers and non performance people like to see our boats but watch their tune change if they're involved in any kind of incident or we do something beyond their norm.


yes thats true per newspaper account
The catamaran speedboat, a 25-foot Skater billed by its manufacturer as being capable of "tear-duct-draining" speed, capsized after striking the sport fishing yacht, a 38-foot Hatteras, police said.

Suffolk police said they were investigating how fast the speedboat was traveling before the wreck. Some models of the craft are capable of speeds exceeding 100 mph.

Read more: http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Man-s-body-found-after-boat-crash-off-Long-Island-3657490.php#ixzz1yoRK96xx


Read more: http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Man-s-body-found-after-boat-crash-off-Long-Island-3657490.php#ixzz1yoQVMazZ

[skydog]

Wow so so sad for everyone sorry.......

[SEA YA]

What's curious to me is that no one here has made any mention that there is a 5mph limit when passing under a bridge................................we all know about that law, right?

[87starflite]

this bridge does not have a 5mph speed limit. i have passed under this bridge for 23 years and never have seen anyone slow down. certain bridges west of this one are all marked 5 mph. have even watched the cops and coast guard fly under this bridge. The bridge is a little over 2 miles long and the pilings are very close. Its difficult to see in the daytime, not to mention the dark, the rain he was driving in and whatever else. there should be a 5 mph zone under this bridge because this is not the first accident to occur in this area

[ghost28]

I am all for a benefit of some sort to help both parties here(for those that need help this means EVERYONE INVOLVED not just brian).....I magine something like all of us leaving our boats at home for a sunday and getting together at a local park for a BBQ and ALL OF US Donating the money we would have spent on FUEL ALONE let alone the dockage at fire island, the fuel to trailer our boats wherever we take them, the cooler full of ice, water and soda, the chips and snacks, the huge amount spent at a silly waterfront restaurant or TIKI BAR, ETC ETC............I think something like that would be a big help to all involved......

[Mr. Daytona]

What's curious to me is that no one here has made any mention that there is a 5mph limit when passing under a bridge................................we all know about that law, right?


Wrong. Sorry, but that's not true at all.

[SEA YA]

Wrong. Sorry, but that's not true at all.


Talking about the waters of the south shore of long island, not Connecticut.

[300x Stoker]

If there's a torpedo headed for your boat you don't swing it sideways to make a bigger target. Hopefully the investigators will find out the facts. Kinda reminds me of how motorists pull in front of motorcycles. Pardon my wild speculation. Sorry.

[SEA YA]

this bridge does not have a 5mph speed limit. i have passed under this bridge for 23 years and never have seen anyone slow down. certain bridges west of this one are all marked 5 mph. have even watched the cops and coast guard fly under this bridge. The bridge is a little over 2 miles long and the pilings are very close. Its difficult to see in the daytime, not to mention the dark, the rain he was driving in and whatever else. there should be a 5 mph zone under this bridge because this is not the first accident to occur in this area


Anyone who passes under a bridge "on plane" is being reckless, plane and simple, just too many blind spots.

[Mr. Daytona]

Talking about the waters of the south shore of long island, not Connecticut.

Im fully aware of where we are talking about. I've spent the 40 years in and around boats, the better of those years have been spent piloting my own vessels through various bodies of water and several different states. I'm not saying I know all, but to broadly stroke a law that all bridges are 5mph is pure crap. To use "an exception to the rule" doesn't apply because you'll find that this isn't close to being factual regardless of the body of water. Sorry.

[bretter]

TAKE NOTE: I will be calling in BUI the first chance i get down here in FL. see below.

Alert Progam Expands to BUI Reporting

For more than 22 years Florida's Wildlife Alert reward program has served as a model for citizen participation in reporting wildlife crimes. Now, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission has expanded the program to include boating under the influence (BUI) as a category for reward payments. At its March meeting in Gainesville, the 13-member Wildlife Alert Reward Association agreed to authorize the payment of rewards for information leading to the arrest of individuals who operate a vessel while under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Under Florida laws, any boat operator who has a .08 or higher blood alcohol reading, ... Read more... (http://features.boats.com/boat-content/2002/04/alert-progam-expands-to-bui-reporting/#more-5414)
For more than 22 years Florida’s Wildlife Alert reward program has served as a model for citizen participation in reporting wildlife crimes. Now, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission has expanded the program to include boating under the influence (BUI) as a category for reward payments.
At its March meeting in Gainesville, the 13-member Wildlife Alert Reward Association agreed to authorize the payment of rewards for information leading to the arrest of individuals who operate a vessel while under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Under Florida laws, any boat operator who has a .08 or higher blood alcohol reading, or operates a vessel while under the influence of drugs, is subject to arrest.
“Including boating under the influence as a category where a reward can be paid is a natural extension of the program,” said Amos Morris, longtime chairman of the Wildlife Alert Reward Association. ” Recreational fishermen or boaters are at risk where vessel operators are intoxicated, and hopefully having more eyes on the water to observe boating activity will be helpful.”
The Wildlife Alert program began in 1979 under the former Game and Fresh Water Fish Commission. The agency modeled it after a similar program already in existence in New Mexico. From the program’s earliest days violations of freshwater fish or wildlife laws were reported to the nearest GFC regional office, and if an officer made an arrest, a reward could be paid ranging from $25 to $1,000, depending on the seriousness of the violation. Since then, the program has paid out more than $300,000 in reward and resulted in 20,000 arrests.
Another recent change to the program has been implementation of a single phone number for all Wildlife Alert calls. Callers anywhere in
Florida who see a violation of fish or wildlife laws can call (888) 404-3922 (FWCC) or, in most areas of the state, by using a cellular phone and dialing #FWC. Calls will be routed to the nearest FWC regional office and an officer dispatched immediately.





Read more: http://features.boats.com/boat-content/2002/04/alert-progam-expands-to-bui-reporting/#ixzz1yonYfBMZ

[87starflite]

Anyone who passes under a bridge "on plane" is being reckless, plane and simple, just too many blind spots.
well in this case the operator of the other vessel is just as much at fault as anyone because he did not slow down either, nor did he yield right of way to an oncoming vessel. fact of the matter is it was an atmosphere conducive of disaster and unfortunately two groups of people were in the wrong place at the wrong time. we can sit here and accuse each operator all day but in the end its a tragic accident that left some killed and hits very close to home for alot of us and nothing is going to fix that

[mikeylarge]

Anyone who passes under a bridge "on plane" is being reckless, plane and simple, just too many blind spots.
Ok, based off this statement every boater that I have ever seen pass under this bridge in the 24 years I have been boating has been wreckless.......... Myself included....

[sheermagic65]

My Prayers go out to all involved.

[XstreamVking]

Also be aware that people are encouraged to report reckless boat operation. Most casual observers would deem our boats at speed as reckless.... This is a sad story and is a reminder to us that bad things happen to good people. We all must be more careful and think about the possibilities before we do any risky boating..... I had two boats that were both DUI collide right in front of me at night. One friend died and one went to prison for 5 years. In the dark, It happens so fast there is no time to react.....

[Mr. Daytona]

Anyone who passes under a bridge "on plane" is being reckless, plane and simple, just too many blind spots.

Now you're being completely ridiculous. Stop.
You've just gone from being completely wrong, to making me say "wtf did he just type?"

[87starflite]

Also be aware that people are encouraged to report reckless boat operation. Most casual observers would deem our boats at speed as reckless.... This is a sad story and is a reminder to us that bad things happen to good people. We all must be more careful and think about the possibilities before we do any risky boating.....
well said..

I am in no way defending either party, i am just trying to say think about what you say before you go making accusations against either person. Speed boats are deemed reckless but i have been pushed out of channels and almost swamped while sitting hundred of times by sport fishing boats that feel they are bigger and have right of way regardless of the situation. more than likely this was not the case but it just goes to show, speed boat, row, boat, cruise ship makes no difference. there are reckless decisions and mistakes made by all boat operators and we all need to seriously consider what we do and what is going on in our surrounding when we go it.

comments left on the newsday(local paper) website by ignorant people who have never set foot in a dinghy nor less a recreational craft of any size are quick to make judgements against both parties and at this point it is unfair to both families and victims. People have called all speedboaters reckless on there and are so fast to blame us regardless of this accident but just in general. we have targets on our heads and thats the sad reality of the situation. They labeling him as spolied drunken asshole with a speedboat and i for one know he like many others busted his ass to own what he did. Again im not defending him because i wasnt there and i have a friend of my parents that could also potentially be dead had he been on that boat to go fishing like he had planned. Brian was a supporter of our community and i think he atleast is owed the respect of being given the chance to explain the occurences before being thrown under the bus.

Going forward, we can all say could have would have and should done whatever. Unless someone has any insight to the ordeal other than looking to blatently accuse either operator your comments are not needed because you werent in either vessel and your family is not the ones suffering on both sides of this terrible event

[rev.ronnie]

Anyone passing under a bridge on plane is being reckless??

I agree, easily the most rediculous statement to date on S&F...


There is a fair share of bridges on our rivers here and I'll say one thing..you try to putt through some of them off plane and you'll most likely get sucked into an abutment because of the current and undertow. If that doesn't capsize most of the boats our size, it will at least send you back where you came from, with a banged up vessel.

Other bridges have spans of hundreds of feet between pilings and to have to drop off plane to cross under them would be ludicrous.....

Also consider, a boat's wake on plane is an identifying trail that adds visibility. You want to get rear ended by a yacht on the St. Croix while passing under a bridge, slowing down to a crawl is the sure way to do it.

[WARLOCK]

Prayers sent to all involved!!! Later, Dave

[SEA YA]

Anyone passing under a bridge on plane is being reckless??

I agree, easily the most rediculous statement to date on S&F...


There is a fair share of bridges on our rivers here and I'll say one thing..you try to putt through some of them off plane and you'll most likely get sucked into an abutment because of the current and undertow. If that doesn't capsize most of the boats our size, it will at least send you back where you came from, with a banged up vessel.

Other bridges have spans of hundreds of feet between pilings and to have to drop off plane to cross under them would be ludicrous.....

Also consider, a boat's wake on plane is an identifying trail that adds visibility. You want to get rear ended by a yacht on the St. Croix while passing under a bridge, slowing down to a crawl is the sure way to do it.


If you were from Long Island you would understand the comment, but your not, so you don't.

[87starflite]

I am from long island and have passed under that bridge hundreds of times in all kinds of boats on plane and i have no idea what you are talking about. It is absolutely a good idea to slow down but the person behind you isnt going to slow down thu are gonna run right over you because there is no law requiring 5 mph at that bridge

[vnemous]

Brian was a supporter of our community and i think he atleast is owed the respect of being given the chance to explain the occurences before being thrown under the bus.


Anyone in this position should not make any comments to anyone except his legal adviser. I am very sorry that anyone lost their life and that someone on the board was involved. RIP

[Mr. Daytona]

Am I the only one who believes that funding the offender is almost like condoning or supporting his actions? Granted, we have a BUI, but we don't know what the influence was, be it drugs or alcohol. How many would change their tune in support if a BAC came back at .20?
Years ago, for me, it wasn't boating without several beers to keep you cool. The good old days are gone. In all fairness, it might come back at a .07, too.

[rev.ronnie]

If you were from Long Island you would understand the comment, but your not, so you don't.

This is probably 100% the case. Different conditions of different regions. He made a pretty sweeping comment though, not a regionally specific one..

Some of our undertow will flip your boat 180 degrees in a flash.

Night boating has its own set of nuances. You really need to be on top of everything.

[rev.ronnie]

Am I the only one who believes that funding the offender is almost like condoning or supporting his actions? Granted, we have a BUI, but we don't know what the influence was, be it drugs or alcohol. How many would change their tune in support if a BAC came back at .20?
Years ago, for me, it wasn't boating without several beers to keep you cool. The good old days are gone. In all fairness, it might come back at a .07, too.

With all due respect, we would not be supporting his actions. We would be protecting ourselves against him being hung out to dry and possibly made an example of without good representation.

Leave this young man out in the cold and you can look at insurance rates to skyrocket and the inevitability of a zero tolerance open bottlelaw to be enacted.

There will be a time when you cannot operate a boat while enjoying a beer. This type of thing is what lawmakers wait for to push their cause. I like to have a beer while fishing from my pontoon...I'd hate to lose that privilege.

[87starflite]

Anyone in this position should not make any comments to anyone except his legal adviser. I am very sorry that anyone lost their life and that someone on the board was involved. RIP
thats what i was saying mike, i wasn't expecting him to come on here and defend himself lol

[rev.ronnie]

I am all for a benefit of some sort to help both parties here.....I magine something like all of us leaving our boats at home for a sunday and getting together at a local park for a BBQ and ALL OF US Donating the money we would have spent on FUEL ALONE let alone the dockage at fire island, the fuel to trailer our boats wherever we take them, the cooler full of ice, water and soda, the chips and snacks, the huge amount spent at a silly waterfront restaurant or TIKI BAR, ETC ETC............I think something like that would be a big help to all involved......

:iagree: Obviously, a man who cares about family...

[rev.ronnie]

TAKE NOTE: I will be calling in BUI the first chance i get down here in FL. see below.

Alert Progam Expands to BUI Reporting

For more than 22 years Florida's Wildlife Alert reward program has served as a model for citizen participation in reporting wildlife crimes. Now, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission has expanded the program to include boating under the influence (BUI) as a category for reward payments. At its March meeting in Gainesville, the 13-member Wildlife Alert Reward Association agreed to authorize the payment of rewards for information leading to the arrest of individuals who operate a vessel while under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Under Florida laws, any boat operator who has a .08 or higher blood alcohol reading, ... Read more... (http://features.boats.com/boat-content/2002/04/alert-progam-expands-to-bui-reporting/#more-5414)
For more than 22 years Florida’s Wildlife Alert reward program has served as a model for citizen participation in reporting wildlife crimes. Now, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission has expanded the program to include boating under the influence (BUI) as a category for reward payments.
At its March meeting in Gainesville, the 13-member Wildlife Alert Reward Association agreed to authorize the payment of rewards for information leading to the arrest of individuals who operate a vessel while under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Under Florida laws, any boat operator who has a .08 or higher blood alcohol reading, or operates a vessel while under the




Read more: http://features.boats.com/boat-content/2002/04/alert-progam-expands-to-bui-reporting/#ixzz1yonYfBMZ


I understand the directive, but I sure would hate for this to become a "witch hunt"....

Imagine people spying on you either on the water or while at dinner, counting your drinks and waiting to make a buck off of you on a chance. It sounds like a lucrative business with endless oppritunities for "baiting". It also sounds like a great vehicle for people to seek revenge on others and tie up law enforcement to no end.

There has always been encouragement to turn in impaired drivers, obviously, now it's a financial rewarding thing to do too....nice.

[LaveyT]

Now you may delete this thread.

[HStream1]

I have been following this thread and here's all I have to say.

This is SAD no matter how you slice it and dice it. And my thoughts and prayers go out to ALL involved. We have all made mistakes. But if you are believed to be BUI/DUI you are automatically guilty in the eyes of the law if a accident occurs. Doesn't matter if you caused the accident or not.

Now look at the damage on the PORT side of the Sport fisherman. If both boaters were observing proper boating when headed toward each other. How did the Fishing boat get damaged on the PORT side?

Either the Skater turned left to (port) 90* and hit the fishing boat or the Fishing boat was on the wrong side of the Bridge when entering it and turned right to (Starboard) while the skater viered port to avoid the head to head collision.

If it had of been the other way around the fishing boat would have been damaged on the Starboard.

Now think about this. Assuming both boaters were in the wrong under proper operating procedure. How could the damage be Port side on the fishing boat and head on for the skater?

Now assuming that both boars were in their proper lanes> Did the fishing boat vier to Starboard and the Skater turn to Starboard also Deliberately broad siding the fishing boat?

[Hydrophobic guy]

It happened up in Maine when I lived up there and ultimately three family's were devastated by it. Two from the two souls that were lost in the accident and one from the penalties of being an impaired operator who caused the accident. These things are simply tragic and IF the operator is indeed found guilty of BUI in this case two family's will never be the same. Nearly all of us have done it hopefully, this terrible event is a wake up call to some who still make it a common occurance. :nonod:

[racerx]

Well said Hydro...

[Forkin' Crazy]

Prayers sent to all involved.


The smartest policy is just not to drink while boating, since boating in itself is enough fun not to need alcohol.....and you feel great the next day.

DUI boating hurts all of us in stricter laws and higher insurance/no insurance on on rigs...

I agree, but being in a performance boat makes it even worse. The target on us gets larger and larger. Every time I hear of an accident like this I cringe. It hurts all performance boaters. :(

[Mr. Daytona]

With all due respect, we would not be supporting his actions. We would be protecting ourselves against him being hung out to dry and possibly made an example of without good representation.

Leave this young man out in the cold and you can look at insurance rates to skyrocket and the inevitability of a zero tolerance open bottlelaw to be enacted.

There will be a time when you cannot operate a boat while enjoying a beer. This type of thing is what lawmakers wait for to push their cause. I like to have a beer while fishing from my pontoon...I'd hate to lose that privilege.

I agree completely. I don't think think anyone wants to see him hung out. I do wish the best. Unfortunately, there was a time when you could drink and drive your car, no longer the case.

[vnemous]

thats what i was saying mike, i wasn't expecting him to come on here and defend himself lol

I know Eric, I just didn't want anyone to think he owes the board an explanation. Believe me I have been involved in many cases like this on the defense side and he should be speaking to know one. I have seen officers who made the mistake of trying to justify their actions on Facebook and MySpace only to have it come back to bite them in the behind. You never know who will get dragged into this. I know us that know Brian, some better than others are all concerned for him regardless if he was in the right or wrong. Again condolences for the family and their lost one.

[rock]

Excellent advice and I hope Brian takes it.

Rock

[mirage243]

We had a BUI and a loss of two boys, one 9 years old and one 13 years old on Lake Allatoona last week, the 13 year old still hasn't been found. Driver that hit them was impaired and it happened at night. The night brings on a whole new set of problems, the two don't mix, but ESPECIALLY at night.

[hemi2005]

.....I'd like to add that my thoughts and prayers go out to EVERYONE involved in this very sad situation and I pray for the most positve outcome for ALL involved, but I do not support drinking and driving period.

[THE HOGG]

Am I the only one who believes that funding the offender is almost like condoning or supporting his actions? Granted, we have a BUI, but we don't know what the influence was, be it drugs or alcohol. How many would change their tune in support if a BAC came back at .20?
Years ago, for me, it wasn't boating without several beers to keep you cool. The good old days are gone. In all fairness, it might come back at a .07, too.

NO YOUR NOT, I AGREE WITH YOU. EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THE BAD PUBLICITY FOR OUR SPORT FROM THIS ACCIDENT. IM SURE IT WOULD LOOK GREAT FOR THE PRESS TO REPORT HOW THE HOT ROD BOATING COMMUNITY SUPPORTS BUI DRIVER THAT KILLS FISHERMAN BY HOLDING A FUND RAISER FOR HIM.:confused:
FRIEND OR NOT YOU GUYS NEED TO THINK A LITTLE.. HE DID WRONG AND IT COST A LIFE, THAT IS A FACT!

[chester8420]

I do not support drinking and driving period. :thumbsup: I don't either! And anyone that does is a dumbass.


HE DID WRONG AND IT COST A LIFE, THAT IS A FACT! That's right. And the sad part of it is that the wreck could have happened anyway, even if he hadn't been drinking. But because he was; it went from a bad ACCIDENT to possibly a criminal charge. He may not have done anything to cause the wreck, it might not have been his fault at all, but because he was drinking it could potentially ruin his life.

[Hydrophobic guy]

Anybody who wants to re-live this in a similar situation visit OSO and search for the accident on Long Lake Maine in August of 07 you can also google it. I'm having flashbacks of the banter that went on in that OSO thread. In the end two people were dead and the operator went to prison and most of us that ran around that area new him too he was a decent guy that made a mistake and it ruined him. And in the aftermath the performance boat haters tried to establish speed limits. Thankfully many of us went to the hearings and they were shelved. These things are just bad all around and I can see the same in this instance its simply tragic.

[ghost28]

NO YOUR NOT, I AGREE WITH YOU. EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THE BAD PUBLICITY FOR OUR SPORT FROM THIS ACCIDENT. IM SURE IT WOULD LOOK GREAT FOR THE PRESS TO REPORT HOW THE HOT ROD BOATING COMMUNITY SUPPORTS BUI DRIVER THAT KILLS FISHERMAN BY HOLDING A FUND RAISER FOR HIM.:confused:
FRIEND OR NOT YOU GUYS NEED TO THINK A LITTLE.. HE DID WRONG AND IT COST A LIFE, THAT IS A FACT!

wow so i guess you cant read then.....I never said fund raiser for Brian ONLY i said for ALL INVOLVED in this horrible ACCIDENT.......Now the performance boating community getting together to help not only one of there own But a FRIEND TO MANY OF US I see nothing wrong with but in all fairness he is not the only one who is suffering and will suffer from this and that is why i said everyone..... That includes Brian, His passenger, the person who lost his life and all other occupants of the sportfish vessel....Now if theres something wrong with that then theres something wrong with you.....

[Forkin' Crazy]

Now if theres something wrong with that then theres something wrong with you.....

And that is the way is usually goes. :rolleyes: I CAN see THE HOGG's point.

[THE HOGG]

wow so i guess you cant read then.....I never said fund raiser for Brian ONLY i said for ALL INVOLVED in this horrible ACCIDENT.......Now the performance boating community getting together to help not only one of there own But a FRIEND TO MANY OF US I see nothing wrong with but in all fairness he is not the only one who is suffering and will suffer from this and that is why i said everyone..... That includes Brian, His passenger, the person who lost his life and all other occupants of the sportfish vessel....Now if theres something wrong with that then theres something wrong with you.....

lmfao!! something wrong with me for not wanting to support somebody that made a decision to drink and drive and take a life!! you are truly phucked up in the head!! i bet you wouldnt feel that way if he killed one of YOUR loved ones!! truly amazing..

[progression22]

This was a tragic accident and my condolences for the families involved but Just remember both parties could possible read this. THIS IS WHY I SAY DELETE THIS NOW

[87starflite]

lmfao!! something wrong with me for not wanting to support somebody that made a decision to drink and drive and take a life!! you are truly phucked up in the head!! i bet you wouldnt feel that way if he killed one of YOUR loved ones!! truly amazing..

i bet you wouldnt feel the way you do if it was your son who was being kicked in the balls when he was down with no way to defend himself because the cards are stacked against him. With fellow community members like you who needs enemies? Dont forget there was another vessel following closely behind the hatteras that was hit adding another variable to the story. Im gonna play devil's advocate and say how do you not hear 2 2.5 offshores coming down the bay? if he was so called "speeding" like they claim those motor would have been spinning god knows how many rpm and u can hear that from 3 miles away so what was the captain doing that he didnt hear this and slow down or respond and look out more closely? just another piece of evidence showing high speed most likely was not a cause of this

we can sit here all day and rip on both sides, it doesnt change what happened. this is a terrible thing to happen and if the boating community doesnt pull together for BOTH and yes i said BOTH sides involved then who is going to defend us. We are all going to have the police up our ass all summer long as a result from this on the south shore because of the stigma given to our crowd. If everyone wants to lay down and get run over then go ahead. just remember it takes two to tango. I am not defending drunk driving i am defending the fact that this could have been any one of us getting the fingers pointed at. Have two beers at dinner get in your boat drive home and get into a freak accident and guess what, you arent drunk but your blood is going to say otherwise. Sleep it off for a few hours in your boat and decide to go home get into a freak accident and guess what your sitting in brians shoes with no leg to stand on. before you go burning anyone at the stake take a second and realize just as well this could be you or your son or your loved one who may be 100% not at fault but is now going to spend a long time in jail. i have said my peace and will not comment further on the topic.

[Mastercraft241]

What's curious to me is that no one here has made any mention that there is a 5mph limit when passing under a bridge................................we all know about that law, right?
Not the robert mosses.....

[Robby321]

OK, I'm asking all here to shut up. WHY? This is a VERY serious time in the kids life. STOP THE WHAT IF. None were on the scene anyway.

AND, if ya DO NOT THINK, the cops, lawyers, etc, are NOT seeing this post...."net is worldwide", .."WATCH WHAT YOU SAY HERE!.

BUT!..I will say, do not delete thread. ...in the kids defense, we all could contribute, to his "defense", here posting, "just what have might REALLY happened..(more that a sec). as we all know boats, and he's looking at some SERIOUS stuff, if convicted, BUI, and man slaughter charge. That's time in the slammer, and kiss your "wealth", goodbye. Your life will never be what is was. I really feel sorry for Brian, as sounds like a good kid.

But I been thinking this last few days. I just went back, and saw the pix, the 38, and Brians Skater. Damage. To me, and the scenario mentioned, under the bridge?

Something clicked in my head, .."as does no compute". Let me elaborate here.......(Lawyers, ya can take this to court, on Brians behalf)

The 38 footer, was punched in the rear port side. Brians boat, front starboard sponson, I guess, as I see no pix, that side, just portside. which looks OK.

Heres the rub with me. I sure don't know the bridge, but been under many, but if zero "no wake", posted, to shoot under at any speed, my take is the 38 was at fault. Witness the rear 1/4, the hull. That looks pretty well straight on, and if so, well, ANYTIME, you are NEAR a bridge, the LAST thing you do, is a right angle, into on coming traffic. I see small fishing boats under many, as want to catch fish, the tide swirl, rear on the pilings, tides. And just why was a dude, NO life jacket, tossed out the boat? Seems to me should have been seated..(NO ONE stands up in my big boat, when anywhere "traffic"..SIT DOWN NOW!)

Who ever here, brought up the "on a motorcycle, (55 years me) car pulls in front ya, you at 40/50/60, who cares, as now looking at a slow "object". Happened to me too. But got around it.

Thing is, I really feel sorry for all involved, as for Brian, damn, his life has changed forever. Those that know him, keep us updated, (wait, actually, like said..HE should now talk to NONE, but a damn good expensive lawyer) when he gets out the hospital. And for sure, when the years of "courts start", testify on his behalf.

Again, DAMN.........the whole thing, simple sucks.

Also need to add here, the decades old, Nav lights regs, simple SUCK. Freaking little 12 watt light bulbs? How about we start the easy, new technology. LED lights, as a simple flashing small light, think a "strobe"..that flashes faster with speed, as at night, the old Red/Green front/rear white, where ya see it at night, THINK, far away, and fast closing .."right in front ya" Ya know what meant here.

[Superbender]

I believe there is no good outcome from this,speculation, arguing, hearsay among us isn't going to help either,my heart felt sympathy to all parties involved.

[Robby321]

i Im gonna play devil's advocate and say how do you not hear 2 2.5 offshores coming down the bay? if he was so called "speeding" like they claim those motor would have been spinning god knows how many rpm and u can hear that from 3 miles away so what was the captain doing that he didnt hear this and slow down or respond and look out more closely? just another piece of evidence showing high speed most likely was not a cause of this

You bring up a good point here, but a even screaming set of 2.5s, most sound is going to the rear, and I bet..that big old 38, had a freaking stereo blasting, all kinds of "Helm gadgets", too much distraction... simple to me, as HE GOT IN THE WAY. And as the boat pix, damage, no FREAKING way....was he "flying"...as looks more like a 40. or less, MPH, hit.

[davemvegas]

Robby321 do you have some sort of decoding system that you could post?

[Frank Molé]

prayers sent for all involved...........:(

[Robby321]

Robby321 do you have some sort of decoding system that you could post?

Sorry, as thats 50 YEARS of boating, In many states too, all kind of "water". Its called to me "common sense". If you can't understand what said, me...that damn sure aint my problem..."just what part my post, don't sink in? ..don't bother reply, as your total useless comment, has ZIP, to do which, a tragic loss/accident, here. Get a education in life, but that comes with age...too. Hope ya get there..

[SUPAJAY]

This thread should be deleted. There is enough speculation on the news and internet to begin with. Its unfortunate this happened but let this be a lesson learned for all of us. Don't drink and drive

This thread is going nowhere but negtivae, and will bring bad energy to our boating community, delete!

[revlimiter]

You bring up a good point here, but a even screaming set of 2.5s, most sound is going to the rear, and I bet..that big old 38, had a freaking stereo blasting, all kinds of "Helm gadgets", too much distraction... simple to me, as HE GOT IN THE WAY. And as the boat pix, damage, no FREAKING way....was he "flying"...as looks more like a 40. or less, MPH, hit.



I thought we chose not to speculate.Ive been on the water my whole life including working full time on the water.I had time for a 100 ton masters by the time I was 18.Ive never seen any fisherman leaving the dock with a stereo blasting at 0400.Mostly a few buddys may be rigging up poles and sipping on coffee,not in full party mode.I like almost everyone on this site have done things I wish I hadnt,including drinking on the boat.I think wisdom comes with age and the fact is most of us seem to make it through many times that maybe we shouldnt have,I know I have.This is a tragic event that will change the lives of everyone involved and hopefully a few on the boards as well.I know I personaly have been thinking about things after reading the whole post.

[300x Stoker]

It's a common code used on lots of other forums. I get it.

As for the OP and topic. I think the discussion here is going to be about the most reasonable and informed of any you'll find.

If someone finds this thread in bad taste it's their choice to read it or not. Why delete a thread others my find informative or educational.

Telling people not to wonder, question or hypothesize on an internet forum is a little ridiculous.

[hometown45]

Un-tried and yet convicted on this board, how about the concept of presumed innocence under American law? Currently he is accused of wrong-doing, but has not been convicted of any crime.
Wait till all the facts come out before voicing opinions.
Just my $.02

[tux974]

Hard to believe this thread is allowed to continue and even harder to understand some think this is doing any good for anyone, very disappointed.

[delawarerick]

ENOUGH SAID my prayers go to all involved. Rick

[mrcrsr]

http://babylonvillage.patch.com/articles/police-west-islip-man-killed-in-boat-crash-in-great-south-bay if you read thru the comments someone explained how the accident happened. makes sense looking at the damage on the 38 footer. sad, prayers out to everyone involved.

[Fish]

just my .02 cents, first and foremost, it is a tragedy to all involved, there are two families that will never be the same after that night. thoughts and prayer to all involved.

most of you know that my girlfriend was hit in the face by a sturgeon on the suwannee. cruising along at about 35, it jumped, and nearly killed her. as i sat in the ICU, waiting to hear some news whether she would live, a detective and unformed officer came in to the waiting room to talk to me. they said something about having to start a criminal investigation and i asked why, a fish jumped in the boat. they explained that when there is a motor vehicle accident with serious bodily injury or death they have to do it (there was a longer explanation). i said ok. they asked their questions, and then left.

after they left, i sat there thinking about it, and realized that had i been drinking at all, instead of sitting in the waiting room of the ICU waiting/hoping/praying for something positive from the doctors, i would have been on my way to a jail cell wondering the same things regardless of whether it was a completely unavoidable freak act of nature like a fish jumping in front of our boat. Lifelines on, kill switch on, just slow cruising... freak things can happen.

None of us know what happened that night at the bridge and i am pretty sure all of us have been around long enough to know that when the media can make a story sensational by fudging facts they will. Our speculating is not much better than the medias. I am assuming NY law is similar to FL law; if there is an accident, they can take a blood draw without consent and if there is alcohol present, an arrest is made, the alcohol is presumed to be a contributing factor, and the charged are enhanced (in the case of a death, to dui manslaughter). No way of knowing if he was hammered or had one drink, only that an arrest was made because law enforcement suspected alcohol may have been involved, regardless of whether it actually was a contributing factor.

thoughts and prayers should go to both families, nothing that can undo what happened, let the facts play out in the courts, and if anything positive can come of this, remember that no matter how good you are at running your boats, things can happen, and how they play out can be directly related to what you did earlier in the day.

[JR IN JAX]

I am really spooked anytime I am running next to a bridge, constantly wondering if there is a small bassboat/fishing boat hidden, waiting to accelerate out from behind one of the pilings. I always move away from it to give me some reaction time, just in case the worst happens.

[JUPITER PULSARE]

I think everyone needs to stop bickering, laying blame or making assumptions. At this point two fellow boaters just had their lives changed forever. Furthermore, whatever facts ultimately materialize, it's sad and humbling for all of us and just a reminder not to boat under the influence. Prayers to all involved...

[Tom D.]

http://babylonvillage.patch.com/articles/police-west-islip-man-killed-in-boat-crash-in-great-south-bay if you read thru the comments someone explained how the accident happened. makes sense looking at the damage on the 38 footer. sad, prayers out to everyone involved.

Stiil a lot of speculation on how it happened from know it all know nothing experts. Most of the comments are one sided. Still seems like a lot of unanswered questions at this point.

[Forkin' Crazy]

Hard to believe this thread is allowed to continue and even harder to understand some think this is doing any good for anyone, very disappointed.

If it were up to me, I'd clean up the speculation and petty bickering and lock it down.

[JOLLEY]

Lock it. Tragedy for all involved :(

[Mr. Daytona]

The call to delete or otherwise close this thread is a bad move. I know your motivation is to protect the forum member from a negative light, but essentially what you are asking is to alienate those closest to him, this sport and community while the rest of the world will continue to do so. Not a well thought out rationale.

[Mastercraft241]

This thread should be deleted. There is enough speculation on the news and internet to begin with. Its unfortunate this happened but let this be a lesson learned for all of us. Don't drink and drive

This thread is going nowhere but negtivae, and will bring bad energy to our boating community, delete!

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[LaveyT]

The call to delete or otherwise close this thread is a bad move. I know your motivation is to protect the forum member from a negative light, but essentially what you are asking is to alienate those closest to him, this sport and community while the rest of the world will continue to do so. Not a well thought out rationale.

I think the damage has been done with the accident. Locking the thread helps keep the damage between fourm members down. there is no reason for us to tear each other down.

[SuperBoat Steve]

This thread should be deleted. There is enough speculation on the news and internet to begin with. Its unfortunate this happened but let this be a lesson learned for all of us. Don't drink and drive

This thread is going nowhere but negtivae, and will bring bad energy to our boating community, delete!

A life has been lost, another life changed forever ! Prayers out to everyone involved.

GREG PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD !
MOST OF THE LAST 8 PAGES ARE BS POSTS

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree: DELETE !

[mickeyjr]

I've seen threads get deleted on here (too many to count) that were helpful, insightful, or protecting the best interest of members on here....yet this one remains.

To the member who started this thread, no doubt you posted this with good intentions, but if that was your father, brother, or son that lost his life in this accident, or the operator of the Skater, would you want to be reading all this? With a click of your mouse this can go away and should.

[Brad Zastrow]

As tragic as this accident is, hiding it is not the answer. Locking threads we do not like as it hit too close to home is wrong is so many ways. What people need to get out of this thread is that it can happen to anyone who chooses to drink and drive. Learn from this tragedy do not hide it. As for his insurance most hi-perf cats have drinking clauses. No coverage. Thier will be no defense to an OUI. Thier is nothing to argue in court. He hit the other boat will under the influence. Learn from this. Is it worth all you have to drink and drive?

[Mr. Daytona]

I've seen threads get deleted on here (too many to count) that were helpful, insightful, or protecting the best interest of members on here....yet this one remains.

To the member who started this thread, no doubt you posted this with good intentions, but if that was your father, brother, or son that lost his life in this accident, or the operator of the Skater, would you want to be reading all this? With a click of your mouse this can go away and should.

I don't not understand this mousy make it go away bs. After 10,000 views, it's pretty much a hot topic. When my oldest son, 16, lost a classmate To drunk driving, do you honestly think the best policy would be to not talk about it??? That's cowardly. In your face reality is the best method.

[rossi]

I've seen threads get deleted on here (too many to count) that were helpful, insightful, or protecting the best interest of members on here....yet this one remains.

To the member who started this thread, no doubt you posted this with good intentions, but if that was your father, brother, or son that lost his life in this accident, or the operator of the Skater, would you want to be reading all this? With a click of your mouse this can go away and should.


If he didn't put the post up someone else would have. There is no way this wouldn't have made it onto this forum !

[HStream1]

The thing that amazes me is the very ones that want the thread deleated or locked keep visiting it and Posting :rolleyes:. It's like saying I don't approve of Porn but I still visit it but it's wrong for everyone else.

Here's the point.

(1) Nothing that has been posted thus far has violated forum Rules.

(2) Those that suggest the thread be deleated or locked are only suggesting everyones freedom of speech rights (First Ammendment) be taken away.

So with that said. Only two entities can deleate this Thread. The orginator and The S&F Admins/moderators. And only one entity can lock it. S&F admins or Moderators.

While there have been senarios and conclusions drawn even without I was there facts. Not the first person that has posted has not said it is tragic and provided well wishes for all parties involved.

[Eric T]

Un-tried and yet convicted on this board, how about the concept of presumed innocence under American law? Currently he is accused of wrong-doing, but has not been convicted of any crime.
Wait till all the facts come out before voicing opinions.
Just my $.02..................><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<............ Thank you , you hit the nail on the head , there is alot of people that are talking sh^t and do not know any facts and the News does not know the facts either , nobody knows if the driver of the Skater was drunk, for that matter the driver of the sports fisher ,( we all know fisherman never drink ) also it was not pitch black as i understand , lets put it this way , the course the fishing boat was on was all wrong, and anyone in that place at that time was going to crash into it , People need to stop assuming this guy is at fault , it is just wrong.

[Scream And Fly]

I'm sorry I didn't get to this one sooner - I've been so involved in the site updates that I missed this awful news. I'm going to lock this one for now (I think it's appropriate) until I can read through it and make any determination on whether we should remove it. I think you will all understand if I do.

Greg