View Full Version : 1987 black max stumped HELP
baycrabber1
11-18-2011, 05:36 PM
1987 black max 150 great compression, spark jumps the tester set at 40,000, carbs rebuilt. new ccms sport reeds, new plugs. has a miss and idles like chit until you hit around 1900 rpm. RUNS GREAT PAST THAT. pull the plug wires with it running and no 1thru 4 dosent change it much, pull no. 5 and 6 it almost kills the motor, checked ign system with a dva everything checkede out good. switched carbs around and it didnt change it HELP HELP PLZ
transomstand
11-18-2011, 05:52 PM
Check for vacuum leak at the intake
Dave Strong
11-18-2011, 06:06 PM
Bleed line condition and proper routing.
Dave
baycrabber1
11-18-2011, 06:14 PM
sprayed around intake with carb cleaner and no change
baycrabber1
11-18-2011, 06:15 PM
replaced all bleed lines when i did the reeds
transomstand
11-18-2011, 06:28 PM
Is it spitting back through the intake when it misses?
baycrabber1
11-18-2011, 07:01 PM
i had a hole in a bleed line and it spit back thru that. its really only running on no 5 and 6 i think
baycrabber1
11-18-2011, 07:02 PM
got me stumped thats for sure i know a switch box does one bank so i dont think it would be that
Alan Power
11-18-2011, 07:10 PM
Put it under load and bring the rpm up and try pulling plug leads again.
What do the plugs look like?
Did it only start when you swaped the reeds?
Check the float levels in the carbs.
Check your fuel pump, top 4 could be starved at low rpm.
baycrabber1
11-18-2011, 07:32 PM
does the same under load its from idle to 2000rpm float level dead on
baycrabber1
11-18-2011, 07:34 PM
fuel pump rebuilt
transomstand
11-18-2011, 07:37 PM
Try pumping the bulb at 1500 rpm and see if it changes anything
baycrabber1
11-18-2011, 07:41 PM
i will try that tomorrow what should i be looking for when i do it (n if it changes then what) wouldnt it run bad a full power? its only from idle to 2000
transomstand
11-18-2011, 07:45 PM
i will try that tomorrow what should i be looking for when i do it (n if it changes then what) wouldnt it run bad a full power? its only from idle to 2000
Just trying to eliminate any type of fuel delivery problem by forcing fuel to it.
baycrabber1
11-19-2011, 05:28 AM
will try a few things on sat ty
ChrisCarsonMarine
11-19-2011, 06:57 AM
Check the function of the reeds by running the motor with the airbox off,see if there is air/fuel mix blowing back out of the problem cylinders carbs,could be out of place gaskets or improperly installed reeds?When did this trouble show up,and after what work was done,if any.Im working today if your still lost give me a call,305-394-3354,Chris
transomstand
11-19-2011, 07:21 AM
Check the function of the reeds by running the motor with the airbox off,see if there is air/fuel mix blowing back out of the problem cylinders carbs,could be out of place gaskets or improperly installed reeds?When did this trouble show up,and after what work was done,if any.Im working today if your still lost give me a call,305-394-3354,Chris
He's going to rerun his ignition tests, he may have used an incorrect test procedure. I'm suspicious of that stator. If nothing turns up there, I'll advise him to call you.
Pete
baycrabber1
11-19-2011, 07:35 AM
had the trouble before anything was done, no blow back from the carbs
baycrabber1
11-19-2011, 10:03 AM
retested ign everything checking out good
donmac
11-19-2011, 10:53 AM
I don't wanna sound like a smart A$$ ,but have you put new plugs in it!
baycrabber1
11-19-2011, 11:13 AM
of course. i just back probed plud wires while running seems like its running on cyl 1 and 5 and no 6
blowitup
11-19-2011, 04:15 PM
Firing order right?
How old are wires?
200VEGAS
11-19-2011, 08:48 PM
timing light works good to check fire without pulling wires
baycrabber1
11-19-2011, 09:36 PM
ty 200vegas but read previous post. dicnt pull wires just back probed them
baycrabber1
11-19-2011, 09:38 PM
timing light can pick up a bad refrence signal, good old fashion grounding them out works best imo
bigbluechevy454
11-19-2011, 09:56 PM
I'm gona say stator
200VEGAS
11-20-2011, 11:54 AM
i'm learning,how do you do this?
i just back probed plud wires while running
baycrabber1
11-20-2011, 02:44 PM
test lead alligator clip on other end to ground probe the plug wire
baycrabber1
11-20-2011, 02:45 PM
too many years of getting zapped i hate it imo probing thye wire works well
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