Transomstand, Ronnie, Pyro etc.

[oldskier]

received this from Ronnie.

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viper thread
what yhappened to your viper thread it's gone???





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I won't play the game you want to play.

What yhappened was I was hoping to help solve the problem I feel responsible for for a new member and get him established here but you witty freakin internet boating legends have made it impossible.

I ain't your new 'Snakebit'. If you want to have sex with yourself, knock yourself out.

If any of you respond anymore, do it here, not in my PM. Whatever you send there will come here.

[specboatops]

:confused::confused::confused: Uhhhh What happened ?

[oldskier]

Chris, Pyro will be along soon with another link to the thread that started it all. Please read more than the particular post he links to. It is too long a story to tell and I'd rather let the thread speak for itself.

[XstreamVking]

The thread started with some good info I thought.... but went from a positive discussion to bad to worse....Some mechanical issues were brought to light and some solutions suggested. Hopefully the owner will sort it out, and get it runnin like it should, safely... I wish him the best of luck with it.

[rock]

subscribed

[fast fun 2]

Im sure ill get yelled at, but has anyone else notice pyro tearing into people lately?

Ive met Pete at the Ct run, was very nice to me.

[motorheadbishop]

Don't know all the details,
But I was following that thread pretty closely and
thought it was a very good thread... Guess I missed something.
Thats too bad, had alota good info in it, and was kinda shocked when I could not find it
and figured it got deleted, for some reason.

[pyro]

The deal is, we love our Hydrostreams. Bernie overhauled a '75 Viper a few years ago. He asked questions, got some good, accurate answers from knowledgeable boaters, but only took the advice of a limited few. Important setup factors were left un-addressed, despite warnings from those who knew better. The steering was sloppy due to a worn-out helm. The motor was too low, aggravating the handling situation. Several of us recommended fixing the steering first, then raising the motor to improve handling. Bernie's response (in the "disapoointed" thread linked below, page 8) was...

When I can control it at 6K I'll start to go up 1/4" at a time.

ONE Hydrostream owner (nice guy, but again, just ONE guy) had installed trim tabs on his Vking (not even the same boat) and reported that it helped his handling and reduced porpoising. Instead of heeding the advice on props, gearcases, steering, and motor height, Bernie got a set of trim tabs for his Viper, and to this day, the boat still does not handle right. 1BadAction recommended that the bottom be checked for straightness. Capt Insane-o recommended trying a different gearcase, and made some other smart recommendations. Transomstand got pushed over the edge by a certain stubbon attitude that kept bringing the discussion back to the trim tabs. All those members' helpful efforts were a complete waste, since Bernie has now deleted the entire thread containing all that good advice. Here's the older threads outlining the boat's history since 2007...

Original restoration in 2007: http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?138615
"Trim tabs" discussion: http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?195856
Disappointed... http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?167870

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x10/bernieallan/Hydrostream%20Viper%20Rebuild/DSC_0554.jpg

Bernie, I still wish you and John (the boat's new owner) you the best of luck with your endeavor.

-Chad

[pyro]

Im sure ill get yelled at, but has anyone else notice pyro tearing into people lately?

Ive met Pete at the Ct run, was very nice to me.

But you've never met me. The only "ME" you know is the name who has posted in these forums since 1999. What a waste of my time. I wanted nothing but to help these guys out. I've got no dog in this fight. If anyone feels the need to bring personal poop to my doorstep over this, I'll stay out of these discussions in the future, to avoid stepping on anybody's proud toes. I have a family now-- a wonderful wife and daughter. I've got better things to do than deal with this crap.

There was a thread a while back asking why some certain well-known members don't post here anymore. It's no wonder...

[transomstand]

but you witty freakin internet boating legends have made it impossible.


:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Is this an insult thread,

or a "Poor Bernie" thread?

[ProComp]

There are a lot of people who ask for advice and inspite of getting feedback from people who have "been there, done that" refuse to take the advise becaue its not what they want to hear. These types of people are ones that like to think they know it all. Well if ya do, why waste peoples time asking for advise. Makes no sense to me.

[LaveyT]

Sorry you got your feelings hurt Bernie.
Many folks not only think they are responsible to give some one advice, they also think they are responsible for your reactions to there advice. That pretty much means they will be unhappy since it is pretty difficult to control someone elses actions or reactions.
Is it really only November?

[Riverratt]

I know Ronnie and transomstand personally and I can assure you they both know what they are talking about and are always willing to share advice and help out on projects. I am proud to call them my friends. While I have never met Pyro face to face I have spoke with him on the phone discussing musical instruments because he was willing to offer his advice. The advice is on the table and it is up to you to chose whether or not you wish to take it. Sometimes great advice hurts to hear it but it is what it is.

[baja200merk]

I remember the thread where he posted the "when I can control it at 6k I will move the motor up 1/4in at a time". I remember someone saying - You've got it backwards, move the motor up THEN you will be able to control it at 6k.

There were so many people trying to help giving good real-world advice just to get ignored after someone suggested putting tabs on it like its a flats boat or a CC :rolleyes: I posted on that thread a few times refering to my 'stream and action (not the same boat but both pad vee). BOTH of those boats were absolutely un driveable with the motor too low. You could never get either to fly strait. On the stream I had a hyd plate and once I bumped it up a few notches the boat hopped up and drove like it was on rails.

[specboatops]

Not my fight, Bernie you have always impressed me as a straight shooter/ Good Guy...that being said I have never met Pete or Ronnie face to face BUT I have witnessed their help to MANY on this site, sometimes we read things in a way they wern't meant, I would have to say on the set up....especially on that boat Ronnie would be a plethora of info, as would Pete, he's owned and loved his boat since new...... again these are good members on here, with great knowledge, just as you are Bernie !


Back in my lane I go...........

Chris

[pyro]

I remember someone saying - You've got it backwards, move the motor up THEN you will be able to control it at 6k.

That was ME, but I was so frustrated by that point, my response was, "Is ANY of this sinking in?" My attitude could have been better. Maybe I could have been pissed-ass drunk behind the keyboard and made a jabbing insult to those trying to help, as someone from NC diiid a time or two. ;)

[jphii]

That was ME, but I was so frustrated by that point, my response was, "Is ANY of this sinking in?" My attitude could have been better. Maybe I could have been pissed-ass drunk behind the keyboard and made a jabbing insult to those trying to help, as someone from NC diiid a time or two. ;)

**** off douchebag. If you didn't come off as such an arrogant prick no one would give you a hard time:rolleyes:

[LaveyT]

:DYou guys have me choking on my lunch laughing:D:D:D:D

**** off douchebag. If you didn't come off as such an arrogant prick no one would give you a hard time

may I use that in my signiture line? hahahahaha

[jphii]

You better not, it might piss the little Nancy off....

[mirage243]

Definately subscribed

[1BadAction]

But you've never met me. The only "ME" you know is the name who has posted in these forums since 1999. What a waste of my time. I wanted nothing but to help these guys out. I've got no dog in this fight. If anyone feels the need to bring personal poop to my doorstep over this, I'll stay out of these discussions in the future, to avoid stepping on anybody's proud toes. I have a family now-- a wonderful wife and daughter. I've got better things to do than deal with this crap.

There was a thread a while back asking why some certain well-known members don't post here anymore. It's no wonder...

The reason? Because of arrogant holier than thou ass holes like you, who call out everyone else for doing the exact same thing that they themselves do all the time. Your ego must be the size of Detroit, you are constanty online telling everyone on here how they should live their lives, yet in person you can't even control your own. There is a ****storm of drama on this site right now, and oddly enough, you seem to be in the middle of it. :rolleyes: It seems to cycle with you, anytime in real life you are happy, you actually come off as a normal nice guy on here, right now must be one of those times someone is running your ass into the ground.

You state that you don't have the time. Bull****. You are on here constantly.

Now that that is out of the way, many people I posted some thoughts and quick checks that they could do on that yellow viper BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN IN THAT EXACT SAME SITUATION, but like always, the advice wasn't even given a second look. F it, do whatever you want, learn the hard way. Good day.

[specboatops]

MAn We have Mirage243, Jphil, and now 1Bad all the heavy hitters are here............ I'm duckin for cover, SUCKS to be you Pyro !

[pyro]

**** off douchebag. If you didn't come off as such an arrogant prick no one would give you a hard time:rolleyes:

1-o-clock on Friday and drunk again already, eh? Joe, I don't recall you making one single post to help out Bernie or John with this boat. Your participation consisted only of personally flaming me. So, right back at you. (burp)

I don't come on this forum to flip parts or pick fights. I'm selling the boat next year. I obviously don't fit in with this crowd in general.

If your fathers beat you up when you were kids, it's not my fault. Get over it already.

[jphii]

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Is this an insult thread,

or a "Poor Bernie" thread?

It's an insult thread now that the arrogant little prick in him has come out.

Think up the worst way that statement can be taken, then apply it pyro....

[pyro]

I checked out the original threads pertaining to this boat.

Joe, you take every opportunity to flame me.
Why didn't you help Bernie out with his boat when you had the chance?

1BadAction... You made ONE post in the trim tabs thread. ONE:

I always love when people with ill-handling boats give setup advice, then proceed to tell the guys with good handling hulls how wrong they are. :rolleyes:
Nothing condescending about that post...

When you tried to explain the situation with your old 'Stream, it went in the trash when the thread got deleted, so your last-minute effort was futile.

Mirage243... You didn't give a rat's ass about trying to help out Bernie or John. You only seem to show up when there's stones to be thrown.

It's no wonder transomstand and others are annoyed. He's tried to help with this boat all along, only to be second-guessed.

[specboatops]

Specboatops... nice of you to join in the stone-throwing. You also didn't make one single post in that thread, helpful or otherwise. Now you join in, only to flame me. I thought you were better than this. Chad IF you paid attention I have helped out Bernie, but you DON'T pay attention, I did not throw stone at you, simply stated the "Heavy Hitters" were here and it sucked to be you.....tell me where I was wrong ?

[1BadAction]

Joe, you take every opportunity to flame me.
Why didn't you help Bernie out with his boat when you had the chance?

1BadAction... You made ONE post in the trim tabs thread. ONE:

What were you saying again about being a condescending prick?

Specboatops... nice of you to join in the stone-throwing. You also didn't make one single post in that thread, helpful or otherwise. Now you join in, only to flame me. I thought you were better than this.

I was actually talking about the one that got deleted a couple days ago. I seen waterwings had brought up the ill handling POS Vector that I had, but didn't get a chance to reply until I did. Then my reply along with all the other great information got thrown in the trash, which I guess is just as well considering that they weren't listening anyways.

Keep on blaming everyone else for your own shortcomings, their parents abusing them, drinking, etc etc. It speaks volumes to your character, or lack thereof.

[pyro]

Pardon me... The search engine couldn't find those helpful posts in the original threads I linked on page one of this thread. (resto, trim tabs, and "disappointed") As for the more recent thread, we'll never know, because it was deleted.

Specboat... My apologies for taking your post the wrong way.

I'll bet nobody else in this thread apologizes for anything...

[pyro]

my reply along with all the other great information got thrown in the trash, which I guess is just as well considering that they weren't listening anyways...

See? It really sucks when we make a genuine effort to help someone out, only for our efforts to be wasted. This is why everyone was so annoyed with this whole project to start with. This is the root of all the attitudes that spawned fron these discussions.

[transomstand]

It's an insult thread now that the arrogant little prick in him has come out.

Think up the worst way that statement can be taken, then apply it pyro....

I thought it was more about me (I got top billing):confused:

[Action Dave]

Okay, so what have we learned from this?

1. If you ask for advice on a public forum, you are going to get some replies you might not agree with. You don't have to follow someone else's directions even if they are knowledgeable and experienced.

2. If you give someone advice and they chose not to follow it, oh well. That's on them. You are not obligated to help anyone unless they are actually paying you for your service.

3. There's no reason for an "I told you so". If said person chooses not to follow your advice and they continue to have problems. You put in your two cents and it's up to the advice seeker to choose to listen or not.

4. If Joe is actually drunk behind the keyboard, I'm jealous as hell because I still have over 3 hours to go at my crap-hole lawnmower shop and I could really go for a Jack and Coke right about now.:p

[XstreamVking]

Dave, you got it going on man. All this crap and you nailed it with a couple of paragraphs. I too, am thinking a jack and coke would hit the spot right about now........

[action17]

Okay, so what have we learned from this?

1. If you ask for advice on a public forum, you are going to get some replies you might not agree with. You don't have to follow someone else's directions even if they are knowledgeable and experienced.

2. If you give someone advice and they chose not to follow it, oh well. That's on them. You are not obligated to help anyone unless they are actually paying you for your service.

3. There's no reason for an "I told you so". If said person chooses not to follow your advice and they continue to have problems. You put in your two cents and it's up to the advice seeker to choose to listen or not.

4. If Joe is actually drunk behind the keyboard, I'm jealous as hell because I still have over 3 hours to go at my crap-hole lawnmower shop and I could really go for a Jack and Coke right about now.:p

Very good! Cuz you nailed it!

[mirage243]

Mirage243... same for you. You didn't give a rat's ass about trying to help out Bernie or John. You only show up when there's stones to be thrown.


Hey F*cktard, I only subscribed to this thread, sorry I didn't asked you if it was ok. But if you wanna talk about "stone throwing" don't bring up my name "cause I'm a "rock throwin' mutha f*cka"........just so we have that straight.

[pyro]

A while back, I took 1BadAction's wise and long-standing advice and quit smoking dope.
Now y'all are going to drive me to drinking. :D

Great post, Dave. :)

[jphii]

I thought it was more about me (I got top billing):confused:

You and Ronnie have to wait your turn. We're not done with dingle-berry yet.:reddevil:

[transomstand]

**STOP, AND READ**

I sincerely hope no one here is blaming Pyro for the "thread in question" getting pulled. While I don't have any way of knowing, it was, most likely MY post that ended it. It was VERY BLUNT, and probably not received well. The thread was gone within a couple minutes of my post.


It should have been left to stand on it's own merit, and remain in context.


I doubt there is anyone here who has the time to rehash this entire situation from the beginning, and if you did invest the time and energy to put it ALL in context, you need to get out more.

Pyro was wrong about one thing, he has my apology if he was taking heat for something, most likely, I had done.

[transomstand]

You and Ronnie have to wait your turn. We're not done with dingle-berry yet.:reddevil:

How come I never get to be first:nonod: It's not fair:leaving:

[pyro]

I saw your blunt posts, and you were very accurate.
However, I can't blame Bernie for using the Delete feature, under the circumstances.

Why do certain people *subscribe* to certain threads only to follow bitterness and drama?
Why didn't those "certain" people *subscribe* to any of Bernie's other threads about BOATS? :rolleyes:

If you want to follow bitterness and drama, just use the "Today's Posts" feature.

[Riverratt]

Can't we all just get along? I think it time for a group hug and we should all join in and sing kumbaya around a campfire.

[Riverman]

I still have over 3 hours to go at my crap-hole lawnmower shop and I could really go for a Jack and Coke right about now.:p

Dave when I was a young guy, owning a lawn mower shop was my dream job. So be thankful! :D

[mirage243]

Why do certain people *subscribe* to certain threads only to follow bitterness and drama?
Why didn't those "certain" people *subscribe* to any of Bernie's other threads about BOATS? :rolleyes:


I had nothing to add to Bernies thread about the boat, it is not in my line of expertise, therefore I kept my mouth shut. I will never check with you to see if it's ok to subscribe to a thread or not. I was minding my own business and just reading this thread, but then an assh*le showed up named PYRO and stuck his nose in my business of what I subscribe to and what I don't. Now I have an area of expertise to talk about, I'm real good at bitch slappin' A Holes. Carry on with your Jerry Springer Show.

[specboatops]

It's all Pete's fault......he said so !

On a serious note, Chad, my comment about Mirage243, Jphil, and 1Bad being heavy hitters and saying "It Sucks To Be Pyro" was meant in a way that I would not on my best day want to "Internet Tangle" with that bunch.... and IF I came across as throwing stones or flaming you, I apolagize, honestly that's not what I meant.
Just my opinion, I would not intentionally try to stir the pot with Bill, look at his reputation level on this site, one of the highest there is, whether you agree or not, he has been helpful to many yet manages to fly under "the Look what A good Guy I am" Radar ...speaks volumes to me !!
I'm done here!

Chris

[transomstand]

Can't we all just get along? I think it time for a group hug and we should all join in and sing kumbaya around a campfire.

I'll sit around the fire,

BUT I AIN'T SINGIN' !!!!!

and only if Wayne is giving absolution, and you're serving beer.

And keep those damn sheep from chewing on my Lifeline!!!!!!!!!

[mirage243]

wasn't today supposed to be Trailer Park Lesbian Love triangle?

LMAO :D :thumbsup:

[transomstand]

wasn't today supposed to be Trailer Park Lesbian Love triangle?

It sure as hell better not be!!!!!

I've been waiting for "Lesbians on ice" for weeks

[transomstand]

That's more like it:thumbsup:

[sixpac]

:cheers:

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[XstreamVking]

:cheers:

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[Action Dave]

Dave when I was a young guy, owning a lawn mower shop was my dream job. So be thankful! :D

Lol. Jeff, I like my job. I was just trying to liven' up the mood around here. BTW....15 minutes till Miller time.:D

[Capt.Insane-o]

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I approve of this post.

[Capt.Insane-o]

But seriously, you guys are like flies on sh*t, the original intent of the post was to help a new guy out instead of forming up a lynch mob.

[transomstand]

But seriously, you guys are like flies on sh*t, the original intent of the post was to help a new guy out instead of forming up a lynch mob.

Unfortunately, the boat, and it's former owner, are dragging so much baggage, that no longer seems a viable option. If it were handled differently, good things may have come from that thread.

[idvette]

Not to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, but I honestly thought there was a lot of great information in that thread. I had even posted saying so, and to keep tabs on anything else that may have come out of it. I don't own a Viper, but a bunch of suggestions made will certainly help me out with my Vision next year. I have to agree with a few of the other posts here that say any advice you offer should remain as that, advice, not instruction. If the one asking for help chooses not to listen, oh well, you tried. But don't forget, you may have just helped someone else out without even knowing it.......

[transomstand]

If the one asking for help chooses not to listen, oh well, you tried.

If it were that simple, this thread would not exist. As I posted earlier, you would need to read a mountain of material to get the correct context, something I would not expect any sane person to do.

[pyro]

I had a glass of wine with dinner tonight. :)

[idvette]

Been into the rum for a few hours now...... Gotta keep warm up North these days lol.....

[pyro]

Not to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, but I honestly thought there was a lot of great information in that thread. If the one asking for help chooses not to listen, oh well, you tried.

The information is all voluntarily shared. After enough of your information gets deleted, you realize it's just not worthwhile to even try anymore.

I just got a roaring fire going in the fireplace. Life is good.

[stokernick]

kumbaya,my Lord,kumbaya!

[transomstand]

kumbaya,my Lord,kumbaya!

Nope, I ain't singin:nonod:

[Hydrophobic guy]

I remember that thread.
I had a Viper with a 200 V-6 Black motor back then and posted my advice on the set up I was running along with most of the other V-6 Viper owners and could tell it wasn't of use to keep posting soooooooooo, I didn't. Now I gotta get back to singing kumbaya with the lesbians that came over.

[stokernick]

what ever happened to the thread from the west coast that was going to revolutionize high performance boating?

[RONNIE]

I don't know why I missed this one??? what a bunch of crap this is!!!!

[transomstand]

I don't know why I missed this one??? what a bunch of crap this is!!!!

If you'd log on here once in a while, you'd be up to speed:p

Stop sending those imflamatory emails:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[RONNIE]

I look once a day smartass. I didn't start this.. all I asked was what happened to his thread and it started a pissing match!!!!

[jphii]

I look once a day smartass. I didn't start this.. all I asked was what happened to his thread and it started a pissing match!!!!

I think it's all your fault....

[transomstand]

I think it's all your fault....

:iagree:

[stokernick]

frankly,Charlotte,I don't give a damn!!

[Alan Power]

Holy buckets! What happened here?
I want to read the other thread!

[1BadAction]

all I asked was what happened to his thread and it started a pissing match!!!!

Now you know how I feel :leaving:

[jphii]

Now you know how I feel :leaving:

Well, now you sound like pyro:eek::eek:

[1BadAction]

Well, now you sound like pyro:eek::eek:

<insert rambling="" insult="" laden="" self="" absorbed="" reply="" here=""></insert>baha

[transomstand]

all I asked was what happened to his thread and it started a pissing match!!!!


Now you know how I feel :leaving:

Some guys just got the knack......................:D:D:D

[1BadAction]

Some guys just got the knack......................:D:D:D

Some assclown just dug up an 8 year old thread where I was trollin hard, ahhh, those were the days. Like the wild west. LMAO.

[specboatops]

Well, now you sound like pyro:eek::eek:
LMAO ...... now thats funny. !

[RussF]

:eek:OK ok Its all Transomstand fault everything is his FAULT:reddevil:

[transomstand]

:eek:OK ok Its all Transomstand fault everything is his FAULT:reddevil:

That's only one vote for me, and 2 for Ronnie. It's settled then, Ronnie's fault.

[LaveyT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1sONfxPCTU0