ODBA Lakeracer rules...

[Russ]

Does anyone have any info relating to any rule changes for ODBA Lakeracer class for 2003? Thanks in advance - Russ.

[mercss70]

Well Russ we'll have to wait and see what happens to the superstock rules because that affects lake racer rules also

[Casey]

i heard that all stv's and allison's where going to have to add 150lbs:D

[CUDA]

But the way things are going I don't think you are too far off. But with Triad being a sponsor since day one they might get a weight break .

[mercss70]

If triad gets a weight break i'll have to go buy one what ever it takes that what we'll have to do;)

[Russ]

Im wondering about any of the other heavy weight classes in LR, specifically Pro Gas spec rules. Thanks - Russ.

[CUDA]

Stock 260 + 26cc=1600 lb--------Pro Gas 1900 lb. I don't think Ron Hausmanns motor could do it! ( Ron Hausmann is the High points winner 02 ODBA in Pro Gas)

[T-REX]

I thank they gunna allow Lasers in at 1400#s wit Nitrous...I jus so happen ta have one ta sell!!!!............................i'll have to go buy one what ever it takes that what we'll have to do!!!!!!......Sounds like a plan ta me:D :D :D I also have sum beech front property in Manchac Swamp too!!!!!!!......see ya, REX

[mercss70]

Russ you would have to weigh 1900 (pro gas rules ) as far as Ron Hausmans motor making i don't know but when Glenn Reynolds ran me and him photoed finished the last time he ran pro gas rules. But for your question without a smarta-- remark question it is 1900. Long live an allison(1800)

[CUDA]

Glad to see you back REX I thought you were having a baby , . ( racemans been telling people it was plastic surgery you know he thinks we all have that kind of thing done,but I thought that ment you were building another boat ) You got me liken coonass coondog twisted wit. .------------- PS I heard Superman has a Allison on his butt with a heart around it . Next year I'm going to put an S on the side of my lake racer boat every time I beat him.

[Jay2002]

long live the Allison at 1600lbs with 26cc heads! I don't think it will last too long. The first time a 260 comes out there and wins with ss set up, will pobably be the last. It'll start gaining weight pretty quick! By the way Cuda 21, who are you? Ya'll have fun testin'! We are!!! Jay Smith #114.

PS Russ, How much weight can yu get out of your boat? Your making a lot of power, but it seams like to much weight to be toteing! If you could get lite enough, you could run Pro Gas. Just something to think about!:cool:

[CUDA]

That is the bummer , you all ready have a 260 no big deal right. Now I have to go out and buy one just for this new rule change, and as soon as I get one they will be a change. Make rules and stick to them!------------ This all stems from the use of 2001 &2002 Drag motors, switching svs to air horn in SS, and running the same weight from what I hear, NEW MOTORS HAVE BETTER PORTING. Lets face it we all try to find the crack in the rules to get a advantage. And that is what has been done and now we have BACKLASH. jimmy jesel

[mercss70]

Cuda i hope u have better luck than u've had in the past haven't u heard superman is the ultimate hero not BATMAN so do your self a favor and quit messing with the stupid SH-- THAT U ARE MESSING WITH AND GET A ALLISON (1800 PDS THAT SEEMS TO RULE) tHANKS YOU AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT SUPERMAN!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jay2002]

the Allison family and Wally Lamkin had to start somewhere, so give the guy a break! If he is capable enough to built a competitve boat, then let him! You get more bees with honey than you do vinegar! Too much complaining and critisizing going on. Just deal with it and let your driving do the talking. Jay Smith #114.
PS Superman, I'm working on some kryptonite!:D :D :D

[Russ]

Mercss70, didn't know that was you Shane : ). And Jay, you sneeky SOB, you changed something for Jasper I didn't know about til after. hahaha : ) That first run I made with you I was thinking "what the hell did I do wrong there" Been stuck up in the northeast since the race and haven't really talked to anyone about rule changes. Dave Berry mentioned to me at the race about possibly talking a weight break for LR - Pro Gas racers. Guess it didn't get talked, or it did, and got shot down. Yeah, I've allot of power, but my set-up is not there yet. Only reason I did as well as I did against the top runners was by shear horsepower alone. It was always after half track I'd clean up abit and the horsepower would start to make up and reel people in. Allot of fun anyways, working just the setup for the winter. I like a personal challenge of putting a 1900# STV with a Sportmaster in the winners circle sometime...
Jay, Im sticking with LR another season. Think Im about 90# too heavy for Pro Gas, and without a very good set up would get killed in there even if I could make a competitive weight. Keep in touch. Shane, you in LR for 2003?

[mercss70]

Yeah Russ gonna have to try it one more year, the class is just too fun alot of good peolple to race against Jay u don't need no krypt. your already very fast as it is And yeah your right Russ u have a hellava alot of horsepower on that STV See next year at the races and everybody have a good christmas #70 Shane Stovall

[Rocket]

Shane, are you going to move out of lake racer? Please! Please! Give us poor boy lake racers a break, will ya!

Well at least you went to the trailer before me in Jasper! That's a first for any of us! LOL:D

[mercss70]

yeah Mike didn't do real good in jasper maybe i'll do better this coming up year but then again i've never done good in jasper after 3 trys;)

[racer]

Shane,

Did you find why your engine quit in Jasper?

Al Stoker

[Rocket]

Anybody hear if ODBA is really going to put on a race in Parker AZ?


Long way to pull, but the partys would be worth the trip.:D

[Russ]

Shane, thanks, you have a good x-mas too and glad to know you'll still be in the hunt for 2003. I guess Coonie will be moving on to ModProd for next season and Robby will be returning in another boat (not Taco's if I understand correctly). Im still stinging from that loss to him in Jasper. Takecare now... Russ #09
ps When does the Jasper race aire on the Outdoor Channel?

[Rocket]

Jasper on the Outdoor channel should be on Wednesday Dec 11th at 10:00 PM Central!

But I would check on the 4th too!:D

[Rocket]

APBA web site info:


Wednesday, December 18, 2002
TV The Outdoor Channel - Speedzone - ODBA Drag Boat racing from Jasper, TN

[mercss70]

hey there Al i went and ran it on smooth water and it ran like a champ made 3 good passes i guess the fuel sloshed in that rough water don't really know wished i did

[CUDA]

Jay found some so it's all over for you ha ha. The last time you ran Glenn Reynolds he had a Stock 260, (Jasper 2002)because he blew up his pro gas motor in NC. At dinner in NC he was telling me about his special STOCK 260, well it passed tec . (Galen Burden wanted to inspect it but that never happen.)

[mercss70]

Well that is not totally true Glenn reynolds blew up his Pro Gas set up when me and him was in the finals in NC. In jasper he ran a super gas set up yes it was a 260 but it had 21cc heads and other bolt on and that why it was weight added to the super gas rules because at 1700 pds that was a dominate setup

[Jay2002]

I've only run Glenn at one race and that was in Eustis Fl in April of this year. It was an APBA race, for what thats worth. I got DQ'D for the Sunday race because I was 1 lb lite. That screwed me for the weekend, I got 2nd on Saturday. Most of the rest of the class got DQ'D for running illegal set ups! Shame on 'em!!! I'm not sure I'm gonna waist my time again next year, even if it is only an hour away!!!.:rolleyes See Ya, Jay.:

[CUDA]

OK now I remember why the APBA Super Gas 2 set up was moved from 1700 lb to 1750 lb this year. Still it was a stock 260 ported block. Just with high compression and SVS, right? So if I read between the lines your taking about the same set up 21 cc vs 26 cc but taking away the SVS and letting them run at 1600 lb ---- boy that must make Tony B. proud .

[Jay2002]

but I don't think that the svs will be allowed at 1600 because it isn't one of the non stock options allowed in super stock. You can still run it under APBA Super Gas rules.

[mercss70]

well we give 25 pds back to supre gas and who is Tony B.

[Darrin Baxter]

Hey Shane that would probably be Tony Brucato.
Brucatosvs

[mercss70]

Thanks Darrin i had the sliest clue who he was talking about but if they don't change the rules back it won't matter

[CUDA]

In Mod Production they add 30 lb. for SVS---you are now adding 100 some lbs. under lake racer rules. ---260 + SVS + 21 cc + any flywheel+ Motec (yeah right according to DeWitt $ 8,500. installed) 1750 lb.------Super Stock 260 1600 lb. 26cc ,Diamond lightweight flywheel, to me that is a slap in the face to Tony B. long time sponsor. ???????

[mercss70]

What exactly do u run, Well maybe u ought to try something different

[Rocket]

I thought ODBA LR rules says, 260 HP Center horn, SS stock rules with Stock 32 CC heads (130lbs comp) Stock flywheel, and and no other parts other than OEM! Everything only as it comes from factory!

Am I wrong!:confused:

[Rocket]

LAKE RACER
1. Boats: Regular production open cockpit Ski or Bass boats originally configured with
seating for 3 or more people. Passenger seats may be removed during competition.
2. Fuel: Must purchase and use fuel and oil sold at race site only. No additives allowed.
3. No nitrous or any other type bottle pressure injection. No bottles in boat, solenoids
disconnected.
4. ALL ODBA general, safety and fuel/technical rules must be adhered to.
Minimum weights and specific motor rules for all boats
5. With motors/rigging conforming to Super Stock rules:
A. Merc High Perf 2.5 liter 260 EFI 1600 pounds minimum weight
B. Merc High Perf 2.5 liter 300 Drag 1650 pounds minimum weight
EFI 2000 & earlier
C. Merc High Perf 2.5 liter 280 EFI 1550 pounds minimum weight
D. Merc High Perf 2.5 liter 240 carb 1550 pounds minimum weight
E. Merc Pro Max/Laser 2.5 liter EFI 1550 pounds minimum weight
F. OMC 3.0 liter Looper carb 1550 pounds minimum weight
G. Yamaha 2.6 liter carb 1550 pounds minimum weight
6. With motors/rigging conforming
to APBA Super Gas rules: 1750 pounds minimum weight
A. Production short-blocks, assembled, built or manufactured by a highperformance
division, group or subsidiary of current APBA marine
product manufacturers will be allowed except as noted. Engines must
be marketed and distributed in the U.S. Engines must be available
through a normal or high-performance dealer network and offered for
sale with a warranty from the original manufacturer or the original
manufacturer’s authorized high-performance division.
B. Short-block alterations of any kind are not allowed except as noted.
No blueprinting, polishing, grinding, balancing, feathering, etc.
C. Short-blocks with steel sleeves may be decked a maximum of .010”.
Cylinder overbore limited to size of available OEM service parts.
D. Any modifications external to the short-block are allowed except as
noted.
E. Clamp and swivel bracket must be an OEM part. Clamp and swivel
bracket may be lightened, but not removed. No custom clamp or
swivel brackets allowed.
F. Gearcase must be shiftable (forward, neutral, reverse) from the
driver’s seat. Gearcase must be an OEM part for that model motor.
No small gearcases.
G. Short shaft midsections are allowed. 15” minimum length as measured
from the powerhead flange to gearcase flange. Midsections shortened
to 15” must use OEM parts for that model motor. No Champ-type
midsections.
H. Mercury/Mariner 2.5 liter Drag/S3000 powerhead is not allowed.
7. With motors/rigging conforming to Modified Production rules:
A. Merc Center Horn 2.5 liter EFI 1800 pounds minimum weight
B. Merc Center Horn 2.4 liter EFI 1670 pounds minimum weight
C. Merc SVS Drag 2.5 EFI 2001 & later 1830 pounds minimum weight
D. Merc 2.5 liter carb 1695 pounds minimum weight
E. Merc 2.4 liter carb 1620 pounds minimum weight
F. Merc 2.5 liter Pro Max/Laser 1770 pounds minimum weight
G. OMC 3.0 liter carb 1745 pounds minimum weight
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H. OMC 3.0 liter Factory EFI 1820 pounds minimum weight
I. Yamaha 2.6 liter carb 1720 pounds minimum weight
J. Yamaha 2.6 liter Factory EFI 1820 pounds minimum weight
8. With motors/rigging conforming to Pro Gas rules:
A. Merc & Yamaha Small Block 1900 pounds minimum weight
B. OMC, Yamaha & Merc Big Block Carb 1950 pounds minimum weight
C. OMC, Yamaha & Merc Big Block EFI 1975 pounds minimum weight
9. With OMC V8 motors/rigging conforming to
Pro Gas rules: 2000 pounds minimum weight
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SUPER STOCK
1. Boats: Any production hull. No true tunnels or hydroplane type hulls.
2. Fuel: Must purchase and use fuel and oil sold at race site only. No additives allowed.
3. No nitrous oxide or any other type bottle pressure injection. No bottles in boat, no
solenoids on the motor allowed in this class.
4. No small gearcases.
5. No aftermarket tuners. OEM tuner and exhaust adapter plate may be modified.
6. No potentiometers, fuel by pass solenoids or any other devices to alter the fuel
curve allowed. Multi fuel pump setups must not be sequentially wired or activated.
Must be wired in series, one switch must start both pumps.
7. No after market spark retard/advances, electronic or mechanical allowed.
8. No metal removal or any internal cylinder block modifications allowed. No porting,
polishing, feathering. No piston, rod or crank modifications. No balancing or
blueprinting.
9. Pistons must be OEM or after market made to OEM specs.
10. Maximum of three over bored cylinders allowed. Maximum of .030” overbore
allowed only on steel bores.
11. Minimum mid section length is 15”. OEM mids and clamp brackets may be shortened.
OEM clamp bracket may be shortened and after market 15” minimum housing used.
Inner liners may be removed and housings drilled for exhaust relief. No Champ type
mid sections allowed.
12. Gear cases must have functional forward, neutral and reverse and be shiftable
from the driver’s seat. After market nosecones with low water pickups allowed.
13. Pyrometers allowed.
14. After market lightweight “stock appearing” motor cowls allowed all motors.
15. After market composite reeds allowed all motors. OEM reed cages for like motor,
no modifications to reed cages allowed.
16. Carbureted motors may remove OEM air boxes and use after market velocity
stacks.
17. Oil injection and mechanical fuel pumps may be removed and blocked off.
Carbureted motors may use in the boat electric fuel pump and after market
adjustable fuel pressure regulators.
18. Standard ½” reach spark plugs only. Any heat range, style tip or brand allowed.
Specific Motor Rules and Minimum Weights
19. High Performance Mercury, 245 hp, 260 hp and 300 hp Drag:
A. Carbureted 245 horsepower 1350 pounds minimum weight
B. EFI 260 horsepower 1400 pounds minimum weight
C. EFI 300 horsepower Drag,
Center horn only 1460 pounds minimum weight
D. Rev limiters may be removed
E. EFI motors in this group may use OEM Drag ECU (A-48, A-63, A-6) and
fuel pressure regulator
F. (1) 260 1.490” to 1.520” exhaust port height specs
(2) 300 1.500” to 1.510” exhaust port height specs
G. Required standard head gasket on Drag Engine.
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H. If during repair, any metal was removed from deck, thick head
gaskets must be used.
(1) 260 27-822844-1 head gasket part number
(2) 300 27-840322-1 head gasket part number
I. 2:00 or 1:87 gear ratio only.

J. All motors this group must use OEM 37cc minimum heads.

K. All components must retain stock factory configuration from the
adapter plate up except as noted.
20. High Performance Mercury, 280 hp.:
A. Minimum weight 1325 pounds.
B. Rev limiter may be removed.
C. 2.00, 1.86, 1.75 gear ratio allowed.
D. Alternator belt to remain functional while in competition.
E. All components must remain in stock factory configuration from
adapter plate up.

[CUDA]

As it stands right now 2003 rules give a SS 260 a choice of stock flywheel or go buy a Diamond light weight one $800. + trade in( hey Jay Smith, give them $1,500 for sponsorship and we can run yours. you have been very quiet, ) . Also in 2003 you can run 26cc heads- only on a 260--- I thought it was 37cc before Darren?---- at 1600 lb. What I am saying is about the only real differance now between a SS 260 and a Super Gas 2 APBA 1750 lb. is SVS or of course a MAD EFI intake ok I guess Tony has the new ecus out, that is also ok. Super Gas 2 is a bolt on class, no port changes just bolt ons. But in 2003 SS you can BOLT on a different flywheel and high compression heads,and run at 1600 . does anyone understand my point? 150lbs for what?