XD-100 oil replacement?

[elite service]

Has any one tried the sierra full synthetic tcw-3 oil? (pn18-9540) Its claiming that it replaces xd-100 for evinrude etec. Tried premixing a couple quarts in my buddies mercury,ran real good,hardly any smoke nice smell :D

[nate.]

xd-100 = no smell
i can get it for around $33 a gallon too.

[elite service]

On sierras web site it sais that full synthetic sierra can be used in place of xd-100 on the reduced oil rate. I never heard any oil claim you can use it on the reduced oil rate, thought that was crazy.

[johnboy 88 vegas]

Oil is oil. Just use whatever you can find unless your turning over 7 grand.

[seahorse]

Better give a call to Evinrude to see if they will recommend a different brand synthetic oil at the reduced oil setting - don't believe any oil company's claims unless Evinrude OK's them. Call 262-884-5993 for Customer Service.

[nate.]

Oil is oil. Just use whatever you can find unless your turning over 7 grand.
i tried penzoil premium synthetic 2 stroke oil. my motor smoked and smelled worse than my old 70 yamaha. there is no smoke and zero smell with xd-100.

[aaronmt73]

Better give a call to Evinrude to see if they will recommend a different brand synthetic oil at the reduced oil setting - don't believe any oil company's claims unless Evinrude OK's them. Call 262-884-5993 for Customer Service.

Gee im sure theyll give you a honest answer.

[Lockjaw]

Oil is oil. Just use whatever you can find unless your turning over 7 grand.

I would bet you if you ran XD100 for a while, you would be riding out across the lake, and notice, man my motor is really running nice. I don't ever remember it running like this before.

There is no better oil in my opinion then XD100.

[johnboy 88 vegas]

I would bet you if you ran XD100 for a while, you would be riding out across the lake, and notice, man my motor is really running nice. I don't ever remember it running like this before.

There is no better oil in my opinion then XD100.


Thats great but I personally don't know too many people whos gonna pay the price for it. Oh and my motor always runs nice on $12 a gallon pennzoil but maybe I'm just lucky.:rolleyes:

[Lockjaw]

I run it. I like it, and you don't ever have to decarb, nothing seems to gum up. Even run it in my 2 stroke yard machines. They run awesome on it. Even my props stay clean on the inside.

If you are happy with what you have, more power to you, however I would recommend you try it. It does make a difference in running quality. I dont' fish to much, usually 3 gallons of oil a year, max, so its not that much money for what I get out of it.

[johnboy 88 vegas]

What ratio do you mix it assuming your talking bout the motor in your signature? Just curious. I've been running the Pennzoil synthetic blend in my modded 2.5 200 Merc and it dont smoke one bit at 40:1. On the flip side I just picked up a old XR4 and it smokes a good bit even on 50:1. So next time I fill up the old motor I'll try a quart of the Rude oil and see if it changes things.

[elite service]

I added a couple quarts of the sierra/etec oil to my oil tank this weekend motor seemed to run good on it. Its real thin viscosity like the xd-100 ill let you guys know if the motor does anything weird on it. gonna have to use it for now all out of xd-100

[seahorse]

I added a couple quarts of the sierra/etec oil to my oil tank this weekend motor seemed to run good on it. Its real thin viscosity like the xd-100 ill let you guys know if the motor does anything weird on it. gonna have to use it for now all out of xd-100

Is your E-TEC programmed by the dealer for XD-100 oil only or is it at the factory's TC-W3 setting?

If you are going to use the Sierra oil, be sure the motor is at the TC-W3 setting, otherwise piston scoring may occur after a while, especially after high speed running. I've seen it before with other makes of sythetic oils that people used at the XD-100 programming. They seem to work fine at the TC-W3 setting after they had to have the powerheads repaired.

[Lockjaw]

What ratio do you mix it assuming your talking bout the motor in your signature? Just curious. I've been running the Pennzoil synthetic blend in my modded 2.5 200 Merc and it dont smoke one bit at 40:1. On the flip side I just picked up a old XR4 and it smokes a good bit even on 50:1. So next time I fill up the old motor I'll try a quart of the Rude oil and see if it changes things.

I just pour it into the VRO tank. I run it 50 to 1 in yard equipment. It is thin as mentioned, but I think you will notice if you run it that your engine will just sound different, run better, your carbs won't gum up, and all the places exhaust comes out will start to clean up. You never have to decarb as long as you run it too. I have run Penn synthetic before, trust me, there is no comparison.

[Riverman]

There is no better oil in my opinion then XD100.

I agree. The stuff is amazing. The price has been going down too.

Reminds me of house painting. When I do any painting at home I always ask for the best paint available - it ends up saving time, money and effort. Oil is one of the smallest investments we make in high performance, why the heck would anyone cheap out on something so important?

[Markus]

On sierras web site it sais that full synthetic sierra can be used in place of xd-100 on the reduced oil rate. I never heard any oil claim you can use it on the reduced oil rate, thought that was crazy.

Why?

If BRP can get someone to manufacture oil to a certain specification, why couldn't Sierra?

[Markus]

If you are going to use the Sierra oil, be sure the motor is at the TC-W3 setting,

This oil is designed for the XD-100 setting.

From Sierra's website:

"Full Synthetic, TC-W3 rated. For use in BRP E-TEC programmed for XD-100. Can be used in place of either Direct-Injection or Premium Blend. Ashless formulation. Provides superior protection and lubrication to ALL two-cycle outboard engines. Red dye added for visual recognition.
Replaces: BRP XD-100."

[Lockjaw]

Markus, I would bet money BRP would not honor a warranty for an oil related failure at 100 to 1 on an etec without the BRP oil.

[Eggsuckindog]

Markus, I would bet money BRP would not honor a warranty for an oil related failure at 100 to 1 on an etec without the BRP oil.

I would also ask WHY, how much cheaper could it be?- its already running 100/1 just use the correct stuff - why do people always try and reinvent the wheel?

I use Merc Prem+ and get very little smoke, I tried some Pennziol as nate did and it smoked - not sure why but it was very noticeable at the ramp - end of day.

[nate.]

i used penzoil for the "double oil" period when new and 1 full oil tank after that. since then its been xd 100 and im at about 250 hours in a lil over a year. im gonna do a decarb in the next few days to see what happens.

[Lockjaw]

I can tell you whats gonna happen, nothing. XD100 has that carb X in it, you don't need to decarb.

[Markus]

Markus, I would bet money BRP would not honor a warranty for an oil related failure at 100 to 1 on an etec without the BRP oil.

That may well be, but BRP would probably be on thin ice from a legal perspective - It would be worth checking if Sierra would cover it in that case...

[Markus]

I would also ask WHY, how much cheaper could it be?- its already running 100/1 just use the correct stuff - why do people always try and reinvent the wheel?


Why?

Because some people just don't like being taken advantage of.

[Speed Sr.]

I agree too. I'm not going to run my 250 HO on some cheaper oil and take the chance of doing some damage to the engine. I have run previous motors on Amsoil synthetic outboard motor oil with very good results.

[Lockjaw]

Why?

Because some people just don't like being taken advantage of.

No I would be the language of their warranty is worded to say it that way. Personally I wouldn't use the 100 to 1 setting, but thats me.

[pointer]

Maybe I just don't get it? Boat costs how much? Add the etec, trailer etc? And the price difference between XD 100 and the Sierra is how much?

I run what the manufacturer recommends. Boat, truck, snowmobiles, lawn tractor - you name it, if I own it the dealer sees me on a regular basis, buying the manufacturer recommended products. When I have an issue the dealer knows me, and takes care of me. To me that is worth the price difference to aftermarket.

To me it is a no brainer. I'll spend a few extra bucks to buy the manufacturers products, support the dealer and the brand. Guess I'm brand loyal, I dunno.
When I started running my own boat 25 yrs ago, I remember commenting to a buddy about the cost of gas and oil. His words of advice were "if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch".

pointer

[Dcramer]

I suspect its part of the antitrust legislation. for example, car manufacturers can't void the warranty if you don't use their oil filters, oil, air filter, etc. All they can do is show the specifications that the product must meet in order to preserve the warranty. I believe the same would be true for marine engines. BRP (or anyone else) couldn't deny a warranty claim for not using their oil as long as an oil that meets their spec is used.

That said, I agree with pointer. I run XD50 in my Johnson...not that much more money, and the motor runs good. One less thing to worry about out on the water, and an excuse to shoot the breeze with the guys at the dealer.

[Riverman]

I don't think this is the same thing. There are a lot of proprietary stuff on the Etec and the oil takes a big part in making it all work together. The company specifies XD-100 exclusively and there is no equivalent specification. If you blow the motor up under warranty and are not using the recommended oil you will not have a leg to stand on.

[seahorse]

There are a lot of proprietary stuff on the Etec and the oil takes a big part in making it all work together. The company specifies XD-100 exclusively and there is no equivalent specification. If you blow the motor up under warranty and are not using the recommended oil you will not have a leg to stand on.

Just to clarify things:

You can use any TC-W3 certified oil in an E-TEC at the normal factory setting, or any of the Evinrude oils. That satisifies the factory warranty and satisfies the government, no problem.

If you decide to have your dealer program the motor for the optional reduced-oil setting, then you HAVE to use the XD-100 oil. There is no substitute in BRP Evinrude's eyes any any lubrication failure from other oils would not be covered in the reduced-oil setting.

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

XD100 does NOT mean 100:1 fuel oil mix.

Just remember that the EMM is constantly changing the fuel oil ratio (8 million times a second in fact) due to a myriad of factors, load, RPM etc.

[b2theill]

Mostly my thought on all my engines also. I would like to believe they (manufacturers) have half an idea of what to recommend to their consumers. oil and gas are the cheap parts of most of todays gas powered toys as far as I see it any ways.


Maybe I just don't get it? Boat costs how much? Add the etec, trailer etc? And the price difference between XD 100 and the Sierra is how much?

I run what the manufacturer recommends. Boat, truck, snowmobiles, lawn tractor - you name it, if I own it the dealer sees me on a regular basis, buying the manufacturer recommended products. When I have an issue the dealer knows me, and takes care of me. To me that is worth the price difference to aftermarket.

To me it is a no brainer. I'll spend a few extra bucks to buy the manufacturers products, support the dealer and the brand. Guess I'm brand loyal, I dunno.
When I started running my own boat 25 yrs ago, I remember commenting to a buddy about the cost of gas and oil. His words of advice were "if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch".

pointer

[Speed Jr.]

Always and only XD100 oil with XD50 setting on our Etecs........

[Riverman]

Just to clarify things:

You can use any TC-W3 certified oil in an E-TEC at the normal factory setting, or any of the Evinrude oils. That satisifies the factory warranty and satisfies the government, no problem.

If you decide to have your dealer program the motor for the optional reduced-oil setting, then you HAVE to use the XD-100 oil. There is no substitute in BRP Evinrude's eyes any any lubrication failure from other oils would not be covered in the reduced-oil setting.

I forgot to mention that, thanks for the clarification.

[dcarter]

So, the XD-50 and the XD-100 oils are a mixture all there own? It's not like the XD-50 is semi synthetic and the XD-100 is full synthetic?
Can I run XD-50 or XD-100 in a carbed motor? Would I be able to try it to see if it makes a difference?

[LIQUID NIRVANA]

You can run XD30 (Dino Oil) XD50 or XD100 in a carbed motor.

[Markus]

It would have been worthwhile asking Sierra about the warranty, but their website has now changed after the merger with Teleflex, and the XD-100 equivalent oil is no longer presented.

I wonder if they pulled it...

[Markus]

Maybe I just don't get it? Boat costs how much? Add the etec, trailer etc? And the price difference between XD 100 and the Sierra is how much?

I run what the manufacturer recommends. Boat, truck, snowmobiles, lawn tractor - you name it, if I own it the dealer sees me on a regular basis, buying the manufacturer recommended products. When I have an issue the dealer knows me, and takes care of me. To me that is worth the price difference to aftermarket.

To me it is a no brainer. I'll spend a few extra bucks to buy the manufacturers products, support the dealer and the brand. Guess I'm brand loyal, I dunno.
When I started running my own boat 25 yrs ago, I remember commenting to a buddy about the cost of gas and oil. His words of advice were "if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch".

pointer

Like Seahorse, you work at a BRP dealer, right?

[Eggsuckindog]

You can run XD30 (Dino Oil) XD50 or XD100 in a carbed motor.

XD50 is a blend like Merc Prem+ - XD100 is in a world of its own - I will also say there is also a DFI rating on oil, so to say TCW3 is OK for an Etec or Opti is not really correct. DFI motors induce the oil in a different way than say carbs or EFI - so it always should be at least DFI rated.

Markus not sure whats with you, BRP or any dealer is not getting rich selling oil - I use Merc Prem+ and its $25 a gal bulk - XD100 is only like $8 more and they use 1/2 or so, wish I could set my Merc @ 100/1 and pay $8

[pointer]

Like Seahorse, you work at a BRP dealer, right?

Nope, but I do visit there on a regular basis! (Sometimes I even swing wrenches if he is behind! :eek)

I am a big fan of support the sport! Boats - dealer. Snowmobiles (newer ones) - dealer, old ones - good friend. RC Boats - me or the engine builder. Truck - dealer.
When I need the dealer to be there for me, I want them to be there - not out of business because nobody supported them. Just wish I bought the Chevy instead of the Pontiac!

Not sure why you wouldn't spend the few extra bucks on the good stuff, and support your dealer?

pointer

[Riverratt]

The reason I don't buy it is because around here there is no demand for it so the dealers want $50.00 a gallon since they still have the cases they bought when it first came out. Aint worth that price to me.

[Markus]

Markus not sure whats with you, BRP or any dealer is not getting rich selling oil

That is completely untrue.

BRP, Mercury and Yamaha all make lots of money selling oil. I cannot speak to dealer margins, but if you are paying $25/gallon for Premium Plus in bulk, someone is making a whole lot of money off you - the equivalent Pennzoil product costs about half that in gallon jugs...

[Markus]

Not sure why you wouldn't spend the few extra bucks on the good stuff, and support your dealer?


Because Mercury does not sell an oil as good as the Pennzoil 100% synthetic or Alisyn.

[Riverman]

I wouldn't use Alisyn oil in my lawn mower. That stuff is awful, no comparison to XD100. I used Alisyn for awhile and when I took the engine apart it looked like I was using Bunker C.

[FOXLAKE-H.O.]

Riverman Your 100% Right, My Lil 82 140 Xflow that was on my Checkmate had so much carbon soot in it when purchased, after a Decarb and XD100 used the compression came way up, You could see the rings, that stuff works, Heck my 2liter V6 Merc even likes it....XD100 is worth thr price

[Scream And Fly]

That's strange - Helmut ran the heck out of his motor on Alisyn and we thought it was the best oil we ever used. I guess different situations give different results. Myself, I would only use Alisyn, but I'm not going to start an oil debate. :)

[Capt.Insane-o]

XD 100 is awesome, I had a drum of it and could'nt give it away. I gave a few gallons to a couple Opti guys and their spark plug issues came down to nill.

[Lockjaw]

Greg you should try the XD100 and see what you think. I tried it and was just amazed at the difference in how my motor ran. I use it in my 2 stroke power tools, and they start and go WOT without any sputtering and waiting for things to clear out, unlike any other 2 stroke oil.

You never ever have to decarb, and it will clean up a carboned up motor. It smells good when it burns too. LOL!!!

[Riverman]

I'm describing the slimy, sticky black gunk that was all over everything inside the exhaust section of my motor after using Alisyn. It actually did look like bunker oil. After using XD100 the engine is spotless inside.

[johnboy 88 vegas]

The reason I don't buy it is because around here there is no demand for it so the dealers want $50.00 a gallon since they still have the cases they bought when it first came out. Aint worth that price to me.


I stated in an earlier post that I would try this stuff. Well I just stopped by the local Evinrude dealer to grab a gallon and they want $57.19 plus tax so they can shove it up their ass for that amount. You people who believe in supporting the over priced dealers must have more money than brains. 1 gallon XD 100= 5 gallons of Pennzoil here in Savannah so even if I run it 100:1 its gonna cost twice the amount for half the oil.

[Petezap]

I'm currently using Pen full syth on my 260 at 32:1 ratio. What ratio would work best using xd-100 on the 260????

[Riverman]

You people who believe in supporting the over priced dealers must have more money than brains. 1 gallon XD 100= 5 gallons of Pennzoil here in Savannah so even if I run it 100:1 its gonna cost twice the amount for half the oil.Money doesn't have anything to do with this. I can get two stroke oil for $5 a gallon. But I'd rather spend the $50 because I know what I'm getting, not Chinese crap.

[Riverratt]

How many gallons of oil in a season do you guys that run the XD100 go through? I am buying the XD30 in bulk for $20.00 a gallon and the XD100 is over $50.00 because they don't have it in bulk. It takes a gallon of oil for me per tank of gas. I can buy a lot of BRP engiine tuner and still run the oil recommended by the manufacturer. I was always told from the engine builders that they don't recommend full synthetic in a steel sleeve motor so who is right?

[Speed Jr.]

Its easy to find a case of XD100 (3 Gallons) for $100. Even on Ebay. I used about 7-8 Gallons last season between two boats. (But they were both Etec 250HO's) Guys, use whatever you want.....If price of oil is more important than quality than fine, I understand. Dont be mad at the Manufacturer for only wanting the best run threw their engines.....

Jr.

[Speed Jr.]

How many gallons of oil in a season do you guys that run the XD100 go through? I am buying the XD30 in bulk for $20.00 a gallon and the XD100 is over $50.00 because they don't have it in bulk. It takes a gallon of oil for me per tank of gas. I can buy a lot of BRP engiine tuner and still run the oil recommended by the manufacturer. I was always told from the engine builders that they don't recommend full synthetic in a steel sleeve motor so who is right?

A GALLON OF OIL PER TANK! Wow! I can see how that can get very expensive..... XD100 is not full synthetic.

[Riverratt]

A GALLON OF OIL PER TANK! Wow! I can see how that can get very expensive..... XD100 is not full synthetic.

and 50 gallons of gas does not go far for me with the V8

[johnboy 88 vegas]

I would really like to try the stuff cause everyone brags about it so much. The thing is i'm not going to spend almost $65 for a gallon or $100 for a case just to "try" it only to find out it aint no better than what i'm using now. The dealer here in town don't sell quarts if they're even available. Maybe you people who believe in it so much should send out free samples to everyone who don't have the money just to try it so we can see what all the talk is about. Oh yeh it would support the dealers too.

[Riverman]

Maybe you people who believe in it so much should send out free samples to everyone who don't have the money just to try it so we can see what all the talk is about. Oh yeh it would support the dealers too.

Hey if you don't have the money to try it, just cash in some of your food stamps.

[johnboy 88 vegas]

I dont get free stuff from the government like you canadians do since I'm a white working American that pays taxes and not a liberal like your stupid ass. I take it that you must be one of the brp dealers that wants to rape everyone for a gallon of oil like its gold or something. [Edit] I have the money but I'm not gonna give it to idiots like you. The dealer here in town has the same attitude for some reason. Yall must be related! EH!

[Riverman]

Nope, not a dealer. Just like good stuff. Not part of the Walmart generation.

Don't start throwing around insults not expecting to get them back.

[Markus]

Dont be mad at the Manufacturer for only wanting the best run threw their engines.....

If the manufacturers only wanted the best oil run through their engines, they would come up with a TC-W4 specification that significantly exceeded TC-W3. That way, they would create competition which would result in further product innovation and lower prices, making more people use better oil.

Instead of doing that, they are trying to create captive markets by scaring people who don't know much about lubricants into buying their OEM branded products.

[Markus]

Myself, I would only use Alisyn, but I'm not going to start an oil debate. :)

Come on! Oil threads are the most entertaining, particularly when they include OMC dealers. :cheers:

[Speed Jr.]

Find it funny how the negative poster's on this thread see things. One is knocking Oil that he never even tried and the other thinks BRP is screwing us on the price. Well I guess all the other oils mentioned are made by non-for-profit's.... And why cant those who have seen better results with this oil give it a thumbs up without someone saying were "Bragging"? Seriously? Just sad...If I find a better oil you all will be the first to know.

Jr.

[pointer]

Hey - easy on the Canadians eh?:rolleyes:

Run what you want for oil, fine by me. Just cause we have different views on the subject don't label me as a Dealer / Liberal / whatever!
I make my choices and I live with the consequences.
I for one am glad I have the chance to buy a 2 stroke outboard.

Now that we know how everyone feels about the cost of XD100, how bout them Leafs this year? :)

pointer - a proud Canadian eh!

[Riverman]

pointer - a proud Canadian eh!

You should fill in your location in your profile. On the internet it is difficult to locate other Canadians by scent. :D

[Lockjaw]

I stated in an earlier post that I would try this stuff. Well I just stopped by the local Evinrude dealer to grab a gallon and they want $57.19 plus tax so they can shove it up their ass for that amount. You people who believe in supporting the over priced dealers must have more money than brains. 1 gallon XD 100= 5 gallons of Pennzoil here in Savannah so even if I run it 100:1 its gonna cost twice the amount for half the oil.

Order it online from DUSKY. It's not that bad there. That is where I get it.

[Lockjaw]

The other side to it is if you want the best, you have to pay for it. If you are pre-mixing at 32 to 1, I don't think its the oil for you. Running it through some sort of oil injection is the only way to go. If I was premixing, I might add some in the tank on top of my regular use oil.

[pointer]

You should fill in your location in your profile. On the internet it is difficult to locate other Canadians by scent. :D

Done!
Thought I had done that years ago?
Still boating out here - New Brunswick. Water temp is low 50s. Another month of duck season... .

pointer aka Brian Lee

[johnboy 88 vegas]

Nope, not a dealer. Just like good stuff. Not part of the Walmart generation.

Don't start throwing around insults not expecting to get them back.

If your not a dealer then why are you so pissed? Oh thats right you fit the more money that brains description. You made the first personal insult to me if you look closely at the post about the food stamps so don't get your panties in a wad you retard. Lockjaw I'll check out that website and see what I can find. Thanks.

[seahorse]

If the manufacturers only wanted the best oil run through their engines, they would come up with a TC-W4 specification that significantly exceeded TC-W3.

Markus,

There are only 7 outboard motor manufacturers represented in the NMMA but there are over 20 members who are in the oil, additive, packaging, and marketing business. The oil specs are made by a comittee and guess who outnumbers the manufacturers? Only a few manufacturers are on the TC-W comittee because some do not make 2 strokes.

Bottom line is the manufacturers want a high quality oil and the oil representatives want an adequate oil so they can sell their product cheaper than the manufacturers do. Which would you buy if Pennzoil and Walmart oil were the same price as Yamaha's, Merc's, or Evinrude's oil?

[Riverman]

I stated in an earlier post that I would try this stuff. Well I just stopped by the local Evinrude dealer to grab a gallon and they want $57.19 plus tax so they can shove it up their ass for that amount. You people who believe in supporting the over priced dealers must have more money than brains. 1 gallon XD 100= 5 gallons of Pennzoil here in Savannah so even if I run it 100:1 its gonna cost twice the amount for half the oil.

Here is the first insult little boy, far before my rebuttal.

[johnboy 88 vegas]

So I must be correct in my assumption then. Am I right old geezer?

[Riverman]

Nope quite the opposite. Lots of brains, little money. Too much brains to cheap out on oil.

[iammarcuse]

We have a major distributor of Sierra products in our city that I buy marine supplies from. I asked about their full synthetic oil since I saw it in their catalogue last year. They were a little unclear about it and put me onto to the chief product engineer for Sierra. This guy called me back and was very pleasant. I was actually very impressed with him and the answer he gave me. He was a former BRP dealer and knew exactly what I was asking about the Etec XD100 settings etc..

First he explained that their Full Synthetic is an exact copy of XD100. Their chemical engineers have reproduced it as close as 'legally' allowed by copy right laws. He claims the formulation is unnoticeably different. We all know they are in the business of copying OEM parts and trying to stay out of court in the process. One of the things (among a couple of others) they have done is to add a red dye to it as opposed to the amber color of XD100.

Secondly, he stated that US anti-trust laws (competition) do not actually permit a manufacturer from not honoring a warranty for using another brand of oil. Having said that, he said he would NOT RECOMMEND using their oil on the XD100 setting if your motor was still on warranty. He said that he would not want to see anyone denied a warranty claim because they were not using bona fide XD100. And though one could fight it in court, why would anyone what to do that or take that kind of risk? There of course is no warranty issues using their oil on the XD50 setting.

Finally, he said that he was 100% confident that their oil could be used in the Etec at the XD100 but would only do so after the warranty had expired, for the reason stated above.
I personally thought he gave me a very reasonable and informed answer. It cleared up the questions I had. The Sierra oil is not a screaming deal most places anyway and is almost the same price and sometimes more than XD100. So I don't know why anyone would use it in those circumstances.

My interest in the matter has to do with the fact that in Canada XD100 is $50/gal. I think it is highway robbery. I can get the Sierra Oil for $26/gal. I have been using it in my OFF WARRANTY 250 Etec this past summer. Runs perfect and smoke free. I certainly don't think my motor is at risk but... I stilll have to see how it all plays out over several years.

BTW the XD100 setting is not 100:1 as many state online but probably more like 70:1 on average compared to the 50:1 average on XD50 setting. Hope this helps.

[Petezap]

It's OFFICIAL!!!

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by*David
*» Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:41 pmThis weekend I was reading thru my monthly news letter for January 2011 and noticed there was an article buried in the middle titled*"AMSOIL hp Injector provides exceptional performance in Evinrude E-TEC engine lean-mix setting.". I've been waiting quite a while for this. In my last conversation with Dan he stated that they weren't quite sure on how to market this information. From my perspective they just needed to get it out and massage it along the way, so to speak. Anyways, in reading the article I learned a couple of things that I wanted to share with my website followers/readers. The company they used for the test was totally independent and they used another independent group for engine tear-down validation. The actual boat they tested with was with a marine rescue organization called SEA TOW. Their boat used twin Evinrude 250 HP ETECS. One of the engines was setup to use the BRP XD100 and the other used the Amsoil HPI. Total hours tested were 534 of which 240 hours were under heavy duty service in which case the boat was towing another vehicle. A company called Intertek located down in San Antonio, Texas performed the tear-down and evaluation of the engine components. The result of the teardown was both lubricants performed admirably. The exhaust port blockage on both engines received a "10" which means there was no blockage and both received a "0" for scuffing meaning there was no scuffing of the cylinder walls and I saw the photo by the way of the HPI cylinder. Both engines received near identical ratings for hard carbon deposits, scuffing and/or staining in all critical engine areas, inlcuding pistons, connectiong rods, cylinder head, crankshaft and main bearings. The article went on to say the following: "The evidence clearly supports the use of AMSOIL hp Injector in E-TEC engines programmed for reduced oil consumption." "Based on these findings, AMSOIL hp Injector will provide excellent protection for Evinrude E-TEC engines programmed for reduced oil consumption, and AMSOIL fully supports the use of AMSOIL hp Injector in place of Evinrude XD100 in these applications." So guys - there you have it and I finally have it in writing. Now I've got to come up with an ETEC for my Glastron and I guarantee you that I will be running HPI thru my ETEC and of course I will get a video launched as soon as it's feasible.

[johnboy 88 vegas]

Not trying to start another pissing match with Riverman but what is the price on gallon since the original idea of this thread was to find another equal quality oil in a more cost effective way. Btw my apolagies to you Canadians I insulted in an earlier thread. Just got a little carried away at one single Canadian. Riverman I hope we can have a more civilized debate next time but this is a typical oil debate so what can I say? Seems they all go this way.

[VELOCITY 3.6GT]

At nearly $60.00 a gallon for xd-100 I switched right away to the Pennzoil full synthetic oil and I am completely satisfied with the results. No smoke , plugs burn extremely clean basically no issues. I would not run any motor at the xd-100 recommended ratio of 25:1 no matter what oil is used. The oil store.com ships right to your door three gallons full synthetic Pennzoil with shipping is right around $90.00 . I use this oil in everything including chain saws that turn 13k plus rpm's . I was also told that e-tec h.o. motors can not be programed to run 25:1 but I do not know if this is fact or not. What ever you do run a name brand oil xd100, amsoil, alyson , or the Pennzoil I personally would not run anything but these oils.

[Lockjaw]

My experience with Penn Synthetic is it smokes and doesn't burn near as clean as XD100. My carb motor smokes no matter what. My bet is you will still have to decarb on the penn, you will never have to decarb on XD100.

If you want to scoff at XD100, fine, but to nay say it without trying it is just plain dumb. Go try it first, then complain. If you don't like the price at your dealer, look online, you can find it cheaper. My bet is if you try it, you will find out what those of us who have tried it and said about it is true. I do not believe there is a better 2 stroke oil out there then XD100.

And yes it will make your 2 stroke lawn tools sing. :cheers:

[Lockjaw]

http://www.duskyonline.com/xd100-case-p-evinrude-oil.html

Here you go, 96 bucks for 3 gallons plus shipping. I made it easy for you.

[Petezap]

What ratio of xd100 would you say for a 260 that is using 32:1 right now????

[Lockjaw]

I wouldn't even begin to guess at that. I run vro on my motor, and was turning it pretty much 6k solo, 5800 loaded, and 5600 with a tourney load. I'd check with Jay Smith or some of the merc guys, I know Jay doesn't endorse full synthetic on some of the merc engines, and I am to OMC to know. Sorry.

[VELOCITY 3.6GT]

I am not knocking the xd-100 just find the Pennzoil works extremely well and have no reason to change. I did use the xd-100 just wasn't impressed. Even gave two gallons to a friend. I even used the xd 100 in an old 1973 135 strangler Evinrude and it smoked way more than any Pennzoil product that I use regularly. I am sure it is a fine oil but I do find the Pennzoil to run extremely well and I would pay $60.00 for it because I believe in it. The 96 dollar price for the xd 100 is very good for someone who wants to use it. Basically use what you feel comfortable with and as I stated before I would use it as a second choice. I stated I would only use a name brand oil not that I would not use the xd. As far as decarboning a pennzoil run motor I do not think that will be necessary. My old 135 actually increased in compression after running Pennzoil through it for a full season. This to me speaks wonders and seems to me that it is cleaning up old carbon.

[Speed Jr.]

I wouldn't even begin to guess at that. I run vro on my motor, and was turning it pretty much 6k solo, 5800 loaded, and 5600 with a tourney load. I'd check with Jay Smith or some of the merc guys, I know Jay doesn't endorse full synthetic on some of the merc engines, and I am to OMC to know. Sorry.

XD isnt full synthetic.

[Ferdi]

XD isnt full synthetic.

XD100 is also no TCW3 oil for use in "non direct injected" outboards.

it's a DI oil only.

XD50 would be the TCW3 oil which also can be used in any other 2-stroke outboard.

[Lockjaw]

I am not knocking the xd-100 just find the Pennzoil works extremely well and have no reason to change. I did use the xd-100 just wasn't impressed. Even gave two gallons to a friend. I even used the xd 100 in an old 1973 135 strangler Evinrude and it smoked way more than any Pennzoil product that I use regularly. I am sure it is a fine oil but I do find the Pennzoil to run extremely well and I would pay $60.00 for it because I believe in it. The 96 dollar price for the xd 100 is very good for someone who wants to use it. Basically use what you feel comfortable with and as I stated before I would use it as a second choice. I stated I would only use a name brand oil not that I would not use the xd. As far as decarboning a pennzoil run motor I do not think that will be necessary. My old 135 actually increased in compression after running Pennzoil through it for a full season. This to me speaks wonders and seems to me that it is cleaning up old carbon.

Ok so what happens when you decarb an engine? It smokes like crap right? Perhaps you didn't run it long enough for it to clear your motor out. It doesn't smoke much in my motor, far less then Penn synthetic, and it burns way cleaner. I'd run XD50 before I ran Penn. Just don't like it.

[1BadAction]

I want to comment in an oil thread about as much as I want to slam my **** in a door, but does anyone know what the purple johnson/evinrude oil they sell at walmart is? Is it XD50? and is XD50 comparable to the old OMC oil?

I bought some last week in a pinch, but if its some garbage they package and sell specifically for walmart I'm not going to buy any more of it.

[AwesomeBullet]

If I recall right, XD100 is goldish, XD50 is bluish, and XD30 is reddish/maroonish....Although my memory may be foggy since my 225HO burns less than a gallon a year lol

[baja200merk]

My etec on the t-1 is on xd100 and i decided to try it. It is goldish and it STINKS but it seems to run with zero smoke compared to penzoil and it barley uses any of it.

[seahorse]

does anyone know what the purple johnson/evinrude oil they sell at walmart is? Is it XD50? and is XD50 comparable to the old OMC oil?





What does it say on the container ?

[1BadAction]

What does it say on the container ?

It only says Johnson/Evinrude TCW3. If it said XD50 on the package I wouldn't have asked the question.

They also sell it on their website. It's $25 a gallon.

[seahorse]

If it just says Johnson/Evinrude and the TC-W3 logo it may be the regular XD-30 oil, a reddish color, or several year old stock from the XD-25 days.

Does it say OMC or BRP anywhere on the container? If it only says OMC, then it is 10 years old or more.

[1BadAction]

It appears to be fresh stock, here is the product page http://www.walmart.com/ip/Evinrude-Johnson-2-Stroke-Outboard-Oil/17165299 it is blueish purple. It also says something about "increased detergents for cleaner burning"- I just finished up 3 quarts of the XD-30 I bought from the dealer, and it is definitely not the same stuff as walmart is selling.

After 3 quarts of the XD30, the inside of the prop is DIRTY. I can just imagine what my fresh rings and cylinders look like right now.

[Riverman]

Bite the bullet and try it Jim. You'll see no more dirty anything.

[seahorse]

That container is the new packaging for XD-30 oil for non-dealer outlets. It is the same as Merc using the Mercury and the Quicksilver label to differentiate the same lubricants selling at dealers and non-dealers.

[tvd]

I have 48 gallons of XD 100 in 3 16 gal drums. Will sell any amount you want. Make a deal for ya!!!

[slayer]

I was directed here from another site, specifically for XD100 "alternatives" .....here is what chaps my starfish about the whole XD100 issue, and this is just MY opinion....I will gladly use XD100, its a great oil.....but where I live you cant get it!!!!!! I either half to drive to Lake Lanier area 1 hour 15 minutes....or I have to drive south of Macon, 1 hour...or I have to go to Newnan(which will never happen again since the gallon I purchased from there was 49.00 plus tax).........it is crazy not to be able to locate xd100......so now that my 200ho is out of warranty, I have opted for the AMSOIL HPI Injector oil......called a local distributor, 26.75 per gallon, and he even dropped it off where I work....every freaking sporting good store in the entire Southeastern US can sell you any Yamaha or Merc oil.....but walk into a bass pro or sports authority and ask to be directed to the evinrude XD oil section...not gonna happen!!!!!! bass pro shop I can sort of understand, since the actually SELL mercury outboards......but for BRP to have there XD line of oils limited to a scattered group of BRP sales and service location is a piss poor business model at best....thats why one dealer can sell it in bulk for 29.00 per gallon and another can sell in sealed 1 gallon containers for 49.00 per gallon......a fair consistant price and market it and make it available to people that need it.......not knocking the quality of the oil in any way shape or form, just extremely disappointed with the wide variations in price and lack of ability to walk into a location and purchase it.....and yes I know I can order it online, but thats not the point for me,,,,I love the ETEC, just wish it was supported better with a larger network of dealers

[Speed Jr.]

Very well put slayer.....I agree. BRP has great products but idiots pulling the strings........

[Lockjaw]

My local academy sports and outdoors is now carrying XD100. It is mid 40's a gallon. They had some new BRP oil for 2 strokes too. Not the same color as XD30.

[HICKSTER]

hi new here we,ve had real good luck with Klotz outboard oil in both Opti,s and Etec,R50 in race stuff never seen lube failure with either product,cant say the same about other lubes in the past.
thanks paul

[VjSimone]

How long will BRP supply the XD-100 oil ?
Do they use XD-100 in other products ?