Pennzoil XLF?

[Flatlander]

I was at the local Wally World this weekend and they have Pennzoil XLF oil for 14.00 a gal. I have been using Pennzoil Premium Plus synthetic blend for years now. Does anyone know the difference between the two? By the way, it says the XLF is a synthetic blend also. I went to Pennziol's web site and they still have both types listed.

[JP Love]

Great oil..

[specboatops]

Great oil..

Can you elaborate ................

Chris

[Flatlander]

One more thing, it also said the XLF is for "seasoned motors" as well as new motors.

[terry taylor]

Yes summer season up north.

[DXDY Freak]

Can you elaborate ................

Chris
Chris, I've ran this oil for 3 yrs in my modded promax. I've noticed a smoother idle and very little smoke. I talked with Jay at JSRE and voiced these same concerns(price vs quality) to him. He also said it was a very good oil for steel bore motors. I also run the pennzoil full synthetic in my 260, also with excellent results. Hope this helps. Kurt

[perfmarine1]

Yes summer season up north.


What the_____ :confused:

[Jay Smith]

For steel motors I've observed IMO you can't beat the Pen. blends's quality nor price .

It's a win win situation...

Jay

[Ron V]

I'm on my third season with it in my XR6 after switching from Quicksilver Premium Plus because the price was getting out of sight. Much cleaner than the Quicksilver, but doesn't smell as good. I've run the Pennzoil products (of which the Walmart oil is one) in numerous motors and don't have any complaints. I stock up on the XLF at Bass Pro during their spring sale ($14/gallon, same price as you are seeing).

[norskarkansas]

I just switched from Evinrude/BRP oil to Pennzoil XLF from Walmart. I'm running 50:1 premix and the motor has been quite smoky on on idle and starts. The smoke is almost gone with Pennzoil.

[tomoad]

what is the difference between the pennzoil XLF and the pennzoil premium plus, I too am getting ready to change oil but not understand the difference between the two

[Mr. Demeanor]

I run both the Pennzoil PP and XLF in my Opti and V4 Yamaha. Optis have very sooty exhaust hubs and there was a big reduction in soot with both of the Pennzoil oils over Merc oils. The only difference I noticed is the PP is slightly cleaner burning than the XLF as for as exhaust hub soot. My guess is that the XLF has some additional additives, probably molybdenum, which reduce friction but seem to cause some soot. I say this because Pennzoil recommends XLF for DFI motors and both the Yamalube and Merc oils rated for DFI's are loaded with molybdenum and are notoriously sooty.
Others opinions may vary....:)

[imq707s]

I ran the XLF all last year, and I was really impressed with it. It didn't smoke at idle nearly as much as the Pennzoil "premium" and other oils I used to use. It's good stuff :)

[1fastg3]

Very little Smoke on start up , And Near to no smoke runing or idle

[JR IN JAX]

I have neen running the Pennzoil blend for many years [since 97 in my PWCs and 98 in my Pmax] and I always geat plug life and low leakdown readings after a whole lot of hours.

[terry taylor]

Buy 1 gal. of xlf mix half and half with 1 gal. of penn. full synthetic both at walmart save $20.00 and you have 2 gals. of quality oil thanks.

[Flatlander]

I did some more investigating, and it sounds like the XLF was formulated for use in DFI motors. Though I still couldn't find out what the exact difference is between the two. I was at Menards over the weekend and they still sell the premium plus. I think I'm going to stick with the proven oil. Been running it for years and have had no oil related problems. Thanks for all the input. By the way it is currently on sale for 15.00/gal at Menards.

[JP Love]

I started 4 brand new outboard Mercury 60, 40, 115, 90 HP with Pennzoil and realy satisfy and no engine failure since 1987... It's a good product, last batch XLF buy at Bass Pro Shop @ $13.97... In 1993 I bought 2--- 205 liters drum one for snowmobiles and for outboards at good price.. No problem with oil relation.... You can trust.... JP Love
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[delawarerick]

Good here on L6 still smokes but I mix it rich 40:1. Rick

[JohnR]

Just switched to it this weeekend. Noticeably less smoke and easy on the wallet.

John

[Flatlander]

I was able to get some info from Pennzoil Technical help this morning. Here are their responses.

Thank you for your inquiry. Our Pennzoil Marine XLF was developed
for engines that are "seasoned" or have beeen in service for a few
years. It is made for high displacement carburated or directed
injected systems also. It is formulated to a higher lubricity limit
to provide excellent protection again piston scuffing yet still meet
and exceeds NMMA TC-W3.

Next Question,
So does that mean that the XLF oil is a better quality oil than the
premium plus? I'm still not sure which would be better in my motor.

Answer,
Basically, the XLF is for engines that has had some hours of wear and
tear. Thus the extra lubrication. If you engine has no issues, stay
w/ the Premium Plus product.

[JR IN JAX]

They are saying "seasoned engines" since there have been reported problems with the rings not seating on new engines running full synthetics.

[imq707s]

So if the XLF has a better lubrication "package" than the premium....why would anyone run the Premium??

[Mr. Demeanor]

Heres some independent test info but not for XLF. Only PP and some other brands.
http://home.comcast.net/~team_dougherty/results/results.html

[JR IN JAX]

So if the XLF has a better lubrication "package" than the premium....why would anyone run the Premium??
The Premium is a full synthetic and is really great for non-steel bore motors, but it is so slick that sometimes a new set of rings won't seat properly.
The XLF blend is great on steel bore motors since the dinosaur oil in it stops rusting during layup better than the full synthetic. The original blends were created for aircraft engines [Aeroshell blend] that sit around for long periods without being run. The syn stays up in the cam followers better and the dino stops rusting.

[Flatlander]

The XLF and Premium Plus are both Synthetic blends. That is where the confusion comes in.

[laglass69]

Personally I think its a advertising/marketing gimmick to get you to buy the slightly higher XLF....I've noticed the local walmarts around here stopped carrying gallons of premium plus and only had quicksilver and xlf. But lately ive only been seeing quicksilver for $26/gal or 2.5gals fo $66

[ZO6]

I am confused as well! I have a 2005 Merc 250 XS 370 hrs. Always run Merc Premium Plus. My Wally World sells Quicksilver PP for $26.00+- Not $18.96 like Academy. Wally World here only has the qts. of Pennzoil PP but gallons of XLF. PP is getting more difficult to get. Merc oil is getting too pricey except for Academy. Does anyone really know if the XLF is OK for a Merc 250 XS. Don't mind saving the money if it works..... Don't mind paying more if it doesn't!
Thanks!

[Flatlander]

I'm leaning towards XLF being a marketing scheme also. I have talked with Pennzoil several times now, and they won't give me a straight answer about what the difference is between the two types. They also won't state which is a better quality oil. My guess is the XLF has a better profit margin than the PP. I'm sticking with the tried and true PP. I don't know if you guys have Menards home improvement stores near you, they still sell the PP.
jmo

[JR IN JAX]

Pennzoil sells a full synthetic that I have tried before, I thought that was the Premium? Sorry for any misinformation.

[JR IN JAX]

I just bought a couple of gallons of Pennzoil Premium at Sams for $13.86 a gallon. It said "One tme buy".

[ZO6]

Which Pennzoil is that? They have so many versions it's hard to know which to use. I need the Premium Plus version for the Merc 250 XS Optimax. It's my understanding that Mercury recently made a recommendation to use "Full Synthetic" in the Mercury Pro XS Optimax but did not revise the recommendation for the XS racing versions. Is that Premium Plus Sam's is selling?

[JohnR]

Just stopped at Wally World on the way home since there is nowhere else locally to get it. I picked it up at the one 10 minutes out of my way last time and they had it. Of course when I stopped at the one on my way home today they didn't have it. :(

John

[JR IN JAX]

Which Pennzoil is that? They have so many versions it's hard to know which to use. I need the Premium Plus version for the Merc 250 XS Optimax. It's my understanding that Mercury recently made a recommendation to use "Full Synthetic" in the Mercury Pro XS Optimax but did not revise the recommendation for the XS racing versions. Is that Premium Plus Sam's is selling?It was the Premium Plus Synthetic blend.

[Mr. Demeanor]

Premium = dino oil
Premium Plus = synthetic blend
XLF = synthetic blend for DFI's and older motors (whatever that means)
Full Synthetic = full synthetic

http://www.pennzoil.com/#/engine-oil/

[Ron V]

I have talked with Pennzoil several times now, and they won't give me a straight answer about what the difference is between the two types. They also won't state which is a better quality oil.

The Premium Plus doesn't specifically advertise that it exceeds the NMMA AF-27 lubricity test, like the XLF does. But either one is a good oil.