Force racing team

[Mark75H]

I was talking to a guy on the phone the other day who is helping me with some of my motor set up stuff on my Carlson and he was telling me about some Chrysler or Force powerheads he has with intake tuning bottles.

I thought those motors were mentioned here some time back but I can't get the search engine to find them. I can't find any saved pics on my computer from Screamandfly of these motors. Over on BRF Louis Collins explained who and what this consisted of ...


When Charles Alexander left Mercury (I won't explain Alex here just read Iron Fist) he ended up in Austin,Tx and was a partner in Austin Boats and Motors. One of his partners and Roddy Foreman teamed up to race Mod-100 and another class. They tried to run lots of retired, wierd Chrysler stuff that Charlie still had access to around Mercury. It all got put in a barn in the early 1990's and eventually sold a few years ago. Lots of Chrysler stuff including new racing units in the box, side carb motors,stacker pipes and U-name it.

On BRF there are pics of the boats painted up with the Force Race Team logo and some pics of motors on Bonneville towers ... but none of the funky intake stuff I am looking for.

Did anyone else save these pics or know where they are?

[Dave S]

HaHaHa..... You looking for the Hens theet....Spring chicks are better.....I found that stuff rite next to the spring of youthe.....smile........

[Mark75H]

I got a 150

[Mark75H]

This is what I was looking for:

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh194/mark75h/stuff/017r.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh194/mark75h/stuff/015r.jpg


Pretty sure I once said these had no factory connection, but I was dead wrong. The story is brief, but its on BRF. Thank you Louis, for setting me straight.


These pics come from a collection most of us would drool over. Lots of the coolest stuff. Some will be for sale over the next few years at reasonable prices.

[53w]

What does the alum can do? What is the theory behind it? How do the carbs work? reeds, piston port?

[Tom Smyth]

Neat stuff but based onthe casting of the cylinder head and block, thats late 60's / ear;ly 70's vintage stuff. Chyrsler played with racing some back then. I dont see how they would have accomplished ignition as it was WAYYY before CDI or Senseor based trigger modules an there aint no distributor onit!!!

anything is possible but if it was FORCE then that would date it to mid 80's and the block, definitely cylinder head and flywheel would be diffeent.

GOt more pics of the other side?

Just call me doubting Thomas.

[Mark75H]

There are more pics, but given the insult we got on Screamandfly this AM, I will not be posting much on Screamandfly for a while. If you want to see them and the rest of this treasure, look elsewhere.

Thinking about early and late stuff ... not every change is for power. Here is an example ... the 60 hp Scott had a horrible head and Champion Spark Plug's combustion experts helped the McCulloch engineers make a new head and combustion chamber that produced much more power and was less likely to detonate and wear down the piston. But ... this head was not used on the production 75.2 hp motor that followed. A variation that was a compromise in power and smoother operation at idle was used. Just because there are production changes, do not assume all are for power.

[Capt.Insane-o]

That is pretty neat. Looks to be a set of reed plates on the port cover carbs, and the "can" to smooth out intake pulses perhaps. I was staring at a inline merc block last winter and some beer induced inkling of carbs with reeds on the transfer port covers. It looks like the side carbs are off a 9.9 or 15 ish motor....

[Mark75H]

Lon Stevens and other race motor builders did that starting in the '60's ... Merc even let one out at Berlin one year ... 9 carbs on one motor

[sho305]

Wow that old performance motor stuff is so cool, certainly the block is very similar to my 85 triple except mine has three carbs. That is an I4 right? Wonder why they only have two carbs on the front and not 4. I heard they had a V6 ready to go when Merc bought them I wonder if they made any. I hope nobody is infighting here, that has never been part of S&F or certainly should not be.

What is that thing at the bottom of the small carbs, looks like a vacuum actuator but could just be the photo. I see the timing arm under the flywheel hooked to nothing.

[Mark75H]

Yes, inline 4. I had not noticed the vacuum actuator ... looks like it is the throttle for the small carbs. It may be that the motor can't stand the power it would make if it had 4 good big front mounted carbs. The side carbs probably conform to "any thing you can bolt on" rule in Mod 100 at the time ... stopping you from welding up something like Roger did.

I wouldn't put much faith in stories of those guys having any R&D department ... they were pure suit and tie Wall Street junk bond money grubbers. They only bought the company because no one else wanted it when it was for sale ... knowing that some time in the future one of the other players would regret not buying it and make them an offer. They were right.

[mk30h]

I don't think it was the Force people who developed the V6 but Chrysler. There is apparently a V6 prototype on display in the home city of WestBend at the museum. The V6 is said to have been 60 degree loop charged and with thru hub exhaust- something that Chrysler never did get around to equipping their engines with. This was in the early 80's and OMC hadn't produced a V6 looper production engine yet. The Chrysler offering would have made an interesting impact I think.

[Mark75H]

There were 2 steps between Chrysler and Merc ... that's what confused me. Chrysler was not sold to Merc.