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81Eliminator
05-28-2010, 06:13 PM
who has a power steering set up for twin out boards?
I have a 25 Eliminator daytona with Twin 300X motors, it has IMCO hydrolic steering now but it could use something easier.
open to suggestions

Bruster
05-28-2010, 07:00 PM
Teleflex makes a power assist. 2 lines in 2 out and 12V power. The price of power ain't cheap.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-239-Teleflex-SeaStar-Power-Assist12-Volt-PA1200-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20b0d49e6fQQitemZ140405677679QQptZBoatQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fGear

81Eliminator
05-28-2010, 09:57 PM
Teleflex makes a power assist. 2 lines in 2 out and 12V power. The price of power ain't cheap.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-239-Teleflex-SeaStar-Power-Assist12-Volt-PA1200-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20b0d49e6fQQitemZ140405677679QQptZBoatQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fGear
do you know if this is compatable with the IMCO system or would I need to replace the whole system?

Bruster
05-28-2010, 10:38 PM
Hydraulics are hydraulics, hooking it up to work is not a problem. I don't see a problem, but I'm not the Teleflex engineer. Call Teleflex next week and ask. Have a good & safe weekend!

jimnello
05-28-2010, 11:52 PM
You would need to check the releif pressure settings. Teleflex are standard 1000psi and Pro Systems are 1500psi. The only other issue could be hose fitting sizes but it shouldnt be too hard.

81Eliminator
06-01-2010, 10:18 PM
OK, talked to Teleflex today, they say with the Capo---- helm flows so much fluid that i would have to install 2 of their power steering pumps to handle it.
any other ideas?

81Eliminator
06-02-2010, 04:57 PM
any advise?

jimnello
06-02-2010, 05:31 PM
What did Teleflex recommend? How many turns lock to lock are you looking for? Increasing number of turns will make the steering lighter, but obviously makes it less responsive. A Teleflex power assist unit will make it lighter, but will not change the number of turns lock to lock.
I would suggest that if you swapped the capilano helm out for a Teleflex Pro Helm 2.0cu in and installed a Teleflex Pro Power assist unit it would be a nice system. You would also need to ensure that all of your hoses are rated to 1500psi.

STV_Keith
06-02-2010, 06:12 PM
What helm do you have? What is it rated to move in cubic inches per revolution? How big are your cylinders (cubic inches per stroke)? There will be a relationship to how fast it turns compared to how much effort it takes to turn it.

As mentioned, the Capilano is nice...you can adjust the rate and therefore effort required.

SCT
06-02-2010, 07:17 PM
81E- I have the same set up( dual 300X, Imco steering w/ Cap. helm) as you but on a Vhull. What don't you like about the IMCO? I've had zerp problems with my setup and it's been easy to use around the dock and high speed. Plus, the IMCO was a lot cheaper then Latham and other steering systems.

81Eliminator
06-02-2010, 07:40 PM
I have a Capalino helm with Inco rams and tie bars. it is pretty hard to turn at all speeds.
I don't think it is the adjustable helm unless it is under a cover on the dash. I bought the boat used so I will need to go to the imco to get the specs.

99fxst99
06-02-2010, 08:48 PM
I have a Capalino helm with Inco rams and tie bars. it is pretty hard to turn at all speeds.
I don't think it is the adjustable helm unless it is under a cover on the dash. I bought the boat used so I will need to go to the imco to get the specs.

Check the lines (hoses) for proper dia. Too small and they restrict the flow terribly. We have found this problem on military waterjet boats. Larger lines felt like PS had been added.

northernoffshore
06-08-2010, 09:09 PM
You have to use a char lynn helm and a Hydrulic power unit from sea star or latham. You hit a switch and turn it on and have power steering from a 12 volt unit. works great, have mayfair set up and was compatible. You can find the parts used, I sold mine for 1000.00 and went back to a capliano for the feel, but now it turns much harder.

81Eliminator
06-08-2010, 09:21 PM
Thanks for the info

STV_Keith
06-09-2010, 01:31 AM
If you are ever in Havasu when I am, you can check out the dual ram/Capilano helm feel on my Scarab.

81Eliminator
06-09-2010, 10:19 AM
I will be there this weekend. Staying by the bridge. I will keep an eye out for you.

thanks.

STV_Keith
06-09-2010, 06:56 PM
I probably won't be back until July 4 weekend...but you never know...and my boat is hard to miss. Just wave me down.

Skater 32
08-18-2010, 07:45 PM
I have had many lengthy conversations with Ron @ Imco on this subject and have had plans to install 12V / Hyd Verado pump on Imco system ,but decided not , you need and open center helm , not Capilano . Ron and I agree that an option and very rarely used is to plumb looping both bottoms of rams together with fluid only and plumb top of rams to helm only , this way I can use a higher CC helm = 3 turn lock to lock and not as hard as conv way to plumb . Hydrive has been plumbing this way for years ( very high end systems )

81Eliminator
08-18-2010, 10:16 PM
Thanks for the info.
I have purchased 2 seastar PA1200-2 pumps and plan on getting them installed soon.
hope they work as well as they say.

81Eliminator
10-07-2010, 02:45 PM
OK, have the Sea Star PA1200's installed and not working a well as expected. it seems the more effort you put into turning the wheel the easier it gets but it is not "automotive style comfort" as advertised.
any one out there installed these as a pair before? can you turn them with "two fingers" like I was told before i bought them? Your help is appreciated.

jimnello
10-07-2010, 03:18 PM
It should be light as. I would say that something is not correct. Give Teleflex a call and quiz there tech support guys.

Greg G
04-30-2011, 08:09 AM
Pulling this back to the top to see how it all turned out with the PA1200's ?

81Eliminator
04-30-2011, 10:28 AM
I was very disappointed. VERY slight improvement over the manual Imco hydrolic system. we adjusted the Capo helm and it became very easy BUT it now takes about 8 turns lock to lock. I am now told that the Capolano helm is the problem but no one has made a helm that will make the PA1200s work. supposedly one is in the works but no build date yet.

Greg G
05-02-2011, 09:31 PM
Wow, that is good feedback and sorry to hear it. That is a lot of coin for subpar performance.

81Eliminator
05-03-2011, 08:40 AM
Yes it is, about $4000.00 so far and still need a helm that has not been designed or made yet. Sea Star advertised car like performance, they just don't tell you it's like your car when the power steering goes out.

Greg G
05-04-2011, 08:49 PM
Sorry to hear that 81, I believe that system has a pretty heavy electrical draw as well, over 60 amps at peak?

81Eliminator
05-08-2011, 09:31 PM
the Electrical draw was / is not the problem. the problem is the helm doesn't have enough volume.

Skater 32
09-28-2011, 05:13 PM
I have done a ton of research on this and have spoken to Ron @ Imco . Firts of all you need an open center helm like used on IO boats , you pick th CC and that along with ram Dia will determine number of turns lock to lock . I'm using a Verado pump , keep it simple why make it complicated ??

81Eliminator
09-28-2011, 06:10 PM
I had the dash cover milled out and added an adjustment knob so the helm can be adjusted on the fly. at high speed it is good turned full hard. When pulling skiers or around the docks I turn it softer 3 or 4 revolutions and it works OK, just takes more turns which is OK at slow speeds.
I may not mess with a helm at this point but the next boat would definetly have a full system on it before i would consider buying it.