New Hull Design,,please Read

[H2Onut]

This all stems from a deep sadness of ot seeing a stream in competition, I did not see the 120 class of Lake racer though.

WAZZZZUPPP WITH THAT

allison allsion allsion, stv stv astv stv stv stv stv mirage mirage 1/4 master 1/4 master 1/4 master allison allsion allsion allison allison WTF????????


So,

What kinds of hull will it take to run with and Allison, STV, TRAD and bare the HydroStream Label ? Is it possible ?

Should it ne a Tunnel, XT, V ?

What kind of weight should it be dry hull ?

Kevlar /biaxial sandwich, Kleg 75 ?

WHat type of pad, lift strakes, what will it take ? What would YOU like to see.

Remember this is for a race design.

Lets see it !

DaNut gone NUTS

[H2Onut]

No Replies :mad:

[sho305]

What happened to the Virage?
http://www.hydrostream.org/Specific%20Models/Virage.htm

Everyone with one said it was great, but small on room. Not fast enough? We have better materials to make these things now for sure. I think it looks great. Just needs to be a BR, and put a rolling cover you can pull shut on there:) Maybe add a foot or two in length? What is wrong with it?

Funny how the molds for it never seemed to turn up...who has them?

[Talon2.5]

get a bill gohr 2.5 on the vector and go to jasper next year and put a vector in the running!!

[vector mike]

I will have some Bill Gohr parts on my motor so all I have to do is get the Vector ready, RIGHT! :rolleyes:

[H2Onut]

Had a nice chit chat with Mr Gohr......

what does the future hold ?

Maybe a Goodman/Gohr production with some JSRE and US1 thrown in :D

Got a Syndicate Motor to train with...Dont get tmuch better than that. Scootie 2 Hottie was lookin good.


COME ON PEOPLE, what ya think, the hst lightened up, virgae on a diet, then new V-king with some bottom mods ?

[Raceman]

Skip's already hit it right between the eyes. The Vector could be more than competitive if it was set up right. Anybody know where my old decked over Comp Vector ended up. I heard S E Ga. several years ago, but the trail is cold.

I asked the HydroStream guys at Jasper about a Viking type boat, one without tunnels with basically the old style bottom, but I don't think that's the direction they're headin' in. They did mention that they have a comp boat in the works, somewhere in the range of about 20'.

I'd really like to see the Streams back in the hunt. They were real competitive in a straight line in their day, and also had some success in the roundy rounds.

[H2Onut]

can ya elaborate a little more, so you think a V is the way to go, would you change any of the lift strakes or splash rails. Fiull pad? was size, how much should this thing tip the scales at bare hull ?

The guys at Atream have an open ear, hwll I am about ready to buy that darn tunnel boat software and spend a few sleepless night to try to figue something, Geeeeeeeeez splash the ally and put the hydrostream drop nose on it and put a coffin box on back and aero up the deck ?

Dont get me wrong THe Allys and STV's are EXCELLENT boats. It is just when you go to a hot both gathering there are a ton of streams, GO to the race you see how many? Maybe I am just living in the past....I know thats what ?? would tell me, but heck he runs a ???? kinda motor.

I am suprised that there are not any more posts on this.

Mike

[CompKing]

Don't know much about the current rules and only entered one local event a few years ago.I won my class and tried to run Mod class even beat one of Lentzkows boats in the first round (he had me by 20 boat lengths but crossed the finish line on the wrong side).:rolleyes: Sounds good anyway.As far as a boat goes I like the V hull myself and enjoy my V-King.Problem is its really a 15 footer with a long nose.I would like to see some classic Hydrostream lines in a full 18 footer with a more race only deck.Two seat open cockpit (so I can still get one for a laker) and a raised transom.I'll let somone else decide how to build it as long as it's light and strong.Like to see the grid look like this

allison Hydrostream allsion, stv Hydrostream astv stv stv Hydrostream stv mirage mirage 1/4 master Hydrostream 1/4 master allison allsion Hydrostream allison Hydrostream

Heres some pics of Howard in one of his ModVP XT's back in the 80's
:D :D :D

[H2Onut]

Yep, I like the lineup....

Come on guys, throw out some ideas !!!!

ANYONE ELSE ?

[woodco]

A White Mota !!!!!!!!!

[sho305]

OK, so is somebody going to tell me why nobody has tried a step hull/added steps? Can't turn it good?

One problem will be the fact that they will have to sell it and make $$$. If they can make a boat that is not just a race only hull, and can toss on a new top with a big interior to sell it; it will work. Lay it up light with a single seat for racing. Maybe race in more stock type classes and do a 120mph hull later?

I think one could make a tunnel and sell/race it too. The STV Euro is very close. The Virage could with more room if it can be made to compete. Also need the right people to go out there and whip some you know what.

[Raceman]

Waternuts, I just always liked the Vectors and think one could be made competitive now. I know Howie Dean was foolin with one with some mods but never heard how he was doing with it. I've always felt that the Streams were years ahead of their time and wish the new Stream folks would build at least one of the Classics like the Vector/Viking/Viper. Of that group there's probably no question that the Viking would be the best choice for them and is the best all around boat in that bunch, but if I was gonna drag race a Stream it'd be a Vector.

Unless I'm mistaken, the Stream guy at Jasper told me that his new race boat would roughly resemble the Virage.

[Rickracer]

The Vector should be the one. Using some current thinking bottom mods and the use of the really good materials available today, I think it could really be a contender. :cool:

[H2Onut]

Kleg 75 and epoxy, what the heck else should I have built it with, Damn got my butt whooped at Japer for the pad no pad hook no hook deal.

Mine is a flat pad.....would like to run it in a real race at least once. but geeeezzz a vector lined up next to an ally is like USA vs IRAQ. I wouldn't mind getting whooped, but not half tracked.

I need to get this puppy to a scale and see what I end up with.

[Rusrog]

I have a few ideas to throw into the ring here...

I think that either a Vector or a V-King\Valero could be made very competitive but I think the limiting factor will be the aero deficiencies in the boats. Not just on the deck and cockpit but the sides of the boat. Look at an Allison or a Triad. Not much frontal area there at all. The Stream looks like a brick in comparison(a very good looking brick but still...) I think that in order to run safely and quickly into the 110+ range in a quarter mile they need to cut down the frontal area of the boats.

I happen to like the bottom on the V-King\Valero better but is just personal preference. But lets look at the pad itself. If you make it wider the boat will get on top quicker and sacrifice a little bit on top make it skinnier and the boat will run on top but be harder to balance.

I have seen some really quick 'Stream's out there; both V-bottoms and HST's and I can't wait to see some more....

[Rickracer]

You're better than halfway there. Actually I was talking about stuff like AME4000 hulls and such, and aereated bottoms ala Tony B.'s Yellow rocket. Sometimes simple gets the job done too, often the trick of the week isn't all it's cracked up to be. ;)

[Flat Out]

I know John Spaeth up here in Canada could build a light weight hull if someone wanted one. One of his guys, Terry Anderson built a 500 lb. AE-21. This hull is simmilar to an HST on the bottom with a more Hydrostream like deck.
A comp style V-King could be built. Light lay-up,vac bag every thing, no floor, blue print the bottom. I beleive a less than 500lb. V-King could be built.
With the current exchange a Canadian built boat would be a real deal.
As always a strong motor and SET UP are the keys to a winnig rig.

[nelsoncat]

I would love to see Hydrostream build a fork tunnel. You can't help but love the looks of Mirages, STV's Eliminator Daytonas, and Scorpions, Riots ETC ETC Cougers you get the picture. But with a Hydrostream name and styling twist it would be pure candy I'd buy one tomorrow.
Cornering ability is where the Vector falls short in my opinion, although I am comparing it to a flat bottom with a keel and there is really no comparison!!!
Craig

[Talon2.5]

I would love to see Hydrostream build a fork tunnel

yes so would i !!!!

stream one you reading this?!!

[sho305]

IMHO, the Vector/Viking has to be one of the best looking boats ever made. It also performs well considering its age of design. C'mon, couldn't cost that much to lay up a light one and try some modern tuning on it? Need to get a 'Stream/dealer/hull maker, a driver, and a good motor maker together for some playing around...don't even need a great motor for testing.

On the other hand, will a fork be more competitive? They are harder to sell and make profit on, but that would get them out there for all of us if it could be done. Is it a market waiting to happen? I think you could sell one that had some room in it, I would be more than happy to fish/ski/play at 80mph out of one if it had room. Would be nice and stable at rest:D Why not, that would be the way coolest bass boat too, no? I can't find a deck like that on a fork/tunnel, I searched the net for a BR tunnel and got nill. I think STV Euro is thinking with a larger/higher deck for the casual user but still needs polish. What is the deal? Do they suck for fun use? Wife hates them? Then there is the HST too...except it may not run well with lower hp(200-225?) the casual user might want.

The BR: I got this cool roll-top cover on my truck...infact I'd love to have one on my whole boat instead of that damn canvas tarp!

What about a modular boat where you could remove parts/strakes of the bottom for a light race boat, and fill in the relief for more interior/non-race/alternate-deck boats? Glass a bracket in there...stupid idea? It might be something like this that can get 'Stream to make/sell them with one hull(low-cost). I think you could make a configurable bottom light, would be great for testing purposes...

Never figured out why somebody did not redo those straight-up windows on some Streams, while the others looked so smooth.

I'd like to see a new Virage or HST! What kind of $$ is a new one?

[CompKing]

Originally posted by Flat Out

A comp style V-King could be built. Light lay-up,vac bag every thing, no floor, blue print the bottom. I beleive a less than 500lb. V-King could be built.
With the current exchange a Canadian built boat would be a real deal.
As always a strong motor and SET UP are the keys to a winnig rig.

I think a Comp Vector, V-King with todays technologies would be sub 400 lbs.Mine was built in 90 and had a pic from the factory that said 425 on the back.When I asked then if that was the weight I didn't get a straight answer but someone said 475.Don't know which one is right or if they were with steering or windsheild(boat was also carpeted)?When I weighed it myself as rigged in the pic with 1/2 tank of fuel it was 1040 lbs.
I too would like to see a fork tunnel boat from Hydrostream and the modular concept would be the way to go.A couple of hulls with 4 or 5 decks would be cool:cool: .If ya can't buy on monday what won on sunday it'll hard ta make $$$$.

[nelsoncat]

Did your title line become infected with an amigo virus? I liked the "old member" title. When did one become a "long member"??????
Is that a pic of your hull durring a recore or when it was new?
Later

Craig

[CompKing]

Craig,
It's that Amigo virus,at least Gimlets good at somthing!:eek: :D
The picture Howard took when he was laying it up.

[sho305]

Dave, nice ride! Never saw one with the black trim, I like!:) Nice blue too.

Thinking I might have a problem too...and I'm working on a cure by next spring.

[nelsoncat]

Do all V Kings have transom knees like that or was that a special request? Did you buy it new? I really need to get the Vector in the water in the next week to see if all my tricks and goodies agree with each other and to try out the T4X 28 that I got from Randys(Aquaholic) workplace. How does your Vking corner?
later

craig

[CompKing]

nelsoncat
I've seen 4 other comp V-Kings and they all were alittle different.I had a 85 production model that didn't have any and got the cracks in the corners after 2 years.The hull and transom on my comp still look good but it has it's share of cracks on the deck:(
I special ordered mine in the fall of 89 and wanted a striger hull with center steering and extra blue flake on the deck.I guess when Howard saw the order(everyone was buying yt's and HST's) he said he was going to lay it up himself(I think he likes flake boats:D )It drives real nice but dosen't care for real rough water and dose turn good:)

[Capt.Insane-o]

To run my HST in Lake Racer and Modified Production next year. It weighed in at 1670 with me 26 gallons of gas and two full sized batteries in it. I also am putting together my Vector for whatever the pro 120 class becomes. My HST will be going under the saw pretty quick here. Taking out as much wood as possible and replacing it with composite materials. And it is metalflake, I may be in the past 20 years, but a metalflake boat is still tits and if at all possible when I get my new stream built it will be metalflake! :cool:

[nelsoncat]

There is something about boats that makes metalflake COOL!!!!! And its gotta be big flakes!!!!!
Maybe I'm living in the past too but you won't ever catch me in big bells or liesure suits ever again. My high school yearbook picture is in a liesure suit with a silk shirt(1976)

Hey Capt. Did you talk with Stream1 about them building HST's again???? Just curious.

Nelson

[Capt.Insane-o]

Which bummed me out pretty bad. I would have had a lump of money in his hands in a flash if he would have said yes. I guess my HST is one of the very few metalflake done. I have some fresh pics, but I left them at a buddys house tonight. Maybe if we can drum up some orders for new HST's something could happen, The boat suits my needs perfectly.

[CompKing]

I saw the pic of Raceman's STV in another thread and thought that was:cool: :cool: :cool: Thought I see if I could photoshop it onto my V-King to see what it would look like.I could have spent more time on it but I'm tired.What ya think?

[nelsoncat]

I can't even get a picture to post and your cutting and pasting. I'm really jealous!!!!!
Nice work, its got potential.

You getting snow tonight?

Craig

[Capt.Insane-o]

That's cool!

[H2Onut]

THATS THE TICKET.

BUILD THAT BOAT !!!!!!!111

[B.Leonard]

No need for a new boat, any Vector with 2.4 could run Pro120. If you want to close in the rear use a snap on cover. I think they would do great, until it got rough like on Sunday, but that is the story with the Vector anytime/anywhere.

-BL

[CompKing]

H2Onut
I thought you might like that,you seened to realy like Raceman's new boat :cool: I sure do!Now we just need them to build us one!!!

[sho305]

Now here is what I am talking, why not try this stuff???
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22149

[CompKing]

That looks cool and thought of doing somthing like that on a HST,had seen stuff like that on some circle boats.Would it work on a V hull?:confused: I was told it would be a bad thing on a V.:(

[sho305]

I was thinking it may pose a problem with sliding on a vee, or straight line stability. Maybe run strakes on the edge of pad and do the center? May be able to do forward area for acceleration though.

Gotta be someone here that has seen this tried?

[sho305]

Oh no, cat out of the bag! New Venom and Virage coming from Hydrostream...wonder what they are going to look like?

[Instigator]

I was thinking that a Vector with the hooked pad might be fun.
The weight and power from the currently legal motors in the class would balance that boat almost perfect!
I plan on running mine when it's done but have no clue what class yet.
More concearned with being able to grind on my motor than anything else, so that will probably put me in Pro Gas or something like that :eek:
I personally (as Raceman also says) think it can be done.
As far as the aerodynamics go for this design, I don't think you'd be going fast enough, long enough for it to be an issue.
Not sure about anything besides 120 though.
When a hull is as short as a Vector, it tneds to point to the sky from a dig.
Gary

[Mark C.]

Dave, your Photoshop creation...I love it!

And Captain, metalflake on an HST...love that too!

How about bringing back something like the V-Wing?

[Raceman]

My old decked over/comp Vector was floating around in S E Georgia several years ago, but I've lost track of it. My partner, who I just bought the new STV from actually did the deck work on it in the 70's, with too much input from me of course. That boat would be a great 120 boat if it's still in decent shape. I've always loved those Vectors.

CompKing, I really like the artwork. It's not as far from the old Comp Vector as you might thing. It looks different in the winshield area because the old boat just had a fairing there, but the shape at the rear is remarkably similar.

[sho305]

Holy crap, what the h*ll is that big monster red thing on the back of that hot yellow ride?!? If I parked that in my driveway, I'd have a traffic jamb here in 5 minutes or less!

I like painted motors myself, others here do not agree...I think they ought to match the boat(in whatever color scheme you have going) on a nice ride. Just like painting the bumpers on a hotrod car. Or leave it if you like.:cool:

[CUDA]

The CUDA

[dean jones]

Hydrostream vector comp.
300 drag
21cc heads
22 or 24 yam
24v trim
small gear case
still have hook in bottom
what about this for a drag boat ?

[sho305]

300 drag/vector? Wow! You might have to look at Ronnie's viper and copy his wheelie-bars:D

[dean jones]

I might have to look at that . I have been thinking of something like wheelie bars but haven't come up with anything. Althougth I am working on the vector/drag right now. I have the boat,mid,block,and props.just have to put motor togeather and put it on boat.

[sho305]

The pics are on here but I have no idea where I saw them. They are kinda like a permanent tab angled down with a rounded tip, mounted so they are above the water at speed. I think one under the jack and one on the port side(?). He seems to have figured out some things with a viper by the way it runs. Sure looks wild with the whole boat on the pad and nothing else touching.:D Bet the steering is real tight.

[dean jones]

Sure would like to see those. I am sure i am going to have to do something like that.

[Mr Wobbly]

Sorry to but in guys, but I personally would be intrigued to see how some of the hulls produced down under would stack up against the likes of the boats you have there.

The Aussie Bullet 1750's & 1850's spring to mind as well as our own Cyclones, Venoms & Sonics. Theý're great ski racing boats and generally have a generous amount of interior room in them considering their intended use.

There is a fantastic 21ft Bullet here for sale with two 300 Mercs, but a higher authourity ( God, not the wife ) has not seen fit to grant me the lotto win yet.

Cheers

Dayle


What is the 120 class?

[dean jones]

don't know anything about the down under boats or the 120 class.:confused: :confused: