Which 60 hp?

[With400]

Hi all,
I am looking for a 60 horsepower engine and my main objective will be speed.
Which motors have the speed potential? The yamaha 60 hp enduro i am looking at has a gear ratio of 2.33 seems a bit high to me. I am also interested in an 60 etec but his has a gear ratio op 2.67 and a huge gearcase in the water. A mercury 60 4stroke has a gear ratio of 1.83 this one seems to be the ticket. which motor do you recommend for the most speed ?

Do the gear ratios matter or will every 60 get me the same speed if propped correct?

I am now running a yamaha 30 hp 2stroke it gets my boat to about 31mph i am running a 14 pitch aluminum prop
what speed do you think i would achieve with a 60?

[Billy C]

Between those choices i would choose the merc for the most speed,because of the smaller gearcase.Those big cases have alot more drag

[With400]

Between those choices i would choose the merc for the most speed,because of the smaller gearcase.Those big cases have alot more drag

I am open to other motors as well what do you suggest?

[Billy C]

Im not sure about what motors are offered in europe.My first choice would be a 2 stroke with a small diamiter gearcase. I assume you are talking new motors

[BlingKing]

I have been looking at this Mercury 60 HP on the Merc Racing website. Need more information myself though if it will accommodate my boat.

http://mercuryracing.com/outboards/60efiformularace.php

[mcyama]

Need for speed, Merc high perf. only one to have. Thanks Martin

[Jason Johnson]

I am a Yamaha man true to the core. In that class, a 60 2 stroke Merc will be the fastest.

[Jon.Bucy]

Hi all,
I am looking for a 60 horsepower engine and my main objective will be speed.
Which motors have the speed potential? The yamaha 60 hp enduro i am looking at has a gear ratio of 2.33 seems a bit high to me. I am also interested in an 60 etec but his has a gear ratio op 2.67 and a huge gearcase in the water. A mercury 60 4stroke has a gear ratio of 1.83 this one seems to be the ticket. which motor do you recommend for the most speed ?

Do the gear ratios matter or will every 60 get me the same speed if propped correct?

I am now running a yamaha 30 hp 2stroke it gets my boat to about 31mph i am running a 14 pitch aluminum prop
what speed do you think i would achieve with a 60?

Is this for racing or just going fast?

[genea01]

Is this for racing or just going fast?




both racing and fishing check out youtube under mossbluff race or moss bluff race or 40 hp mercury and you will see 40 mercs on alum fishing boats at speeds between 55mph to 70+ mph

[syclone01]

get a 59ci merc 60hp 2 stroke withou the "big foot" lower unit. I think they made them around the late 90's. there are a couple guys on here that know a few tricks to help out in the speed dept.

[Jon.Bucy]

Stock SST-60.

[With400]

Stock SST-60.

what does this mean?


it is just for going fast btw.

what do you guys think about a mercury 60 efi 4stroke it seems to have everything i asked for with good feul eco as a +. The Formularace motor is the exact same engine only with 15inch shaft, solid engine mounts, some funky race boat steering contraption as an option and with no warranty...

what speed numbers do you predict with the 60 merc?

[mk30h]

I'm a merc guy but if you want a good 2 stroke try the 3cly tohatsu (Very strong and durable engines)or the ETC- which is a 2 cly. . That being said the new 4 strokes from Merc and Yamaha are nice too.

http://www.tohatsu.com/outboards/70tldi.html

[bworner]

Real EZ, i know the Case is not what you want, but the Evinrude 60 ETEC is a true 70hp motor. If you look thru the archives of Evinrude you will see that in 2003 when they released the 1st info on the ETEC, they had a 2cylinder 40-70hp, the 60 with its exhaust valve gets about 68.5 at the prop, when runnin a 40,50 and 60 on the muffs you can hear the difference. The motor is the strongest 60 out there, ive even smoked 75 4 strokes with it, and im not joking. Could a guy use a older OMC case on the new ETEC, then sell the Etec foot? The etec foot is the old V6 case or V4 case, from what im told. Good Luck, but dont get a 60 4stroke, thats like stepping back 3 steps!!!!! Brannon

[Markus]

Step up to a 70 hp 2-stroke.

The 70 hp 2-cyl 2-stroke Tohatsu is strong and light.

The 70 hp 3-cyl 2-stroke Yamaha is more sophisticated.

[Matt Gent]

I would be comparing weight as well as the gear ratio and case diameter.

[Jon.Bucy]

what does this mean?


it is just for going fast btw.

what do you guys think about a mercury 60 efi 4stroke it seems to have everything i asked for with good feul eco as a +. The Formularace motor is the exact same engine only with 15inch shaft, solid engine mounts, some funky race boat steering contraption as an option and with no warranty...

what speed numbers do you predict with the 60 merc?

Sorry, can't find a better pic right now. It's the black one far left.

[Jon.Bucy]

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[Jon.Bucy]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll83/JonBucy/2644079450091848696DKiECM_ph.jpg

[With400]

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picture doesn't work???
how much hp is that engine?
i am looking into buying a little bit newer motor tough

The etec 60 would nice but with the 2.67 gearratio i would have to turn a humongous prop ? would that even fit?

What speed numbers do you guys predict with an etec 60 ?

It is an 15 foot skiff it weighs about 2200 pounds with me in it and ready to go. With the new motor that would be about 100 pounds more.

With my current motor (30 hp yamaha 2 stroke) it runs 31mph

[Jon.Bucy]

picture doesn't work???
how much hp is that engine?
i am looking into buying a little bit newer motor tough

The etec 60 would nice but with the 2.67 gearratio i would have to turn a humongous prop ? would that even fit?

What speed numbers do you guys predict with an etec 60 ?

It is an 15 foot skiff it weighs about 2200 pounds with me in it and ready to go. With the new motor that would be about 100 pounds more.

With my current motor (30 hp yamaha 2 stroke) it runs 31mph[/QUOTE]

They produce about 90hp but this may not be the best application if your boat really weighs 2200 lbs. Post some pics of your boat so we can lead you in the right direction.

[Mark75H]

Another motor to consider in Europe is Selva. They are known for being pretty fast.

The Merc Formularace motor is not available to the public. It will be available only as part of a boat/motor/trailer package to racers in the US, probably later this year. The Formula 4 Merc produced in Sweden is similar.

I don't think the SST60 has been made for a long time and it was not available in Europe.

[With400]

the 60 formularace is available here tough

ive talked to several dealers and they have delivered several to the public here. You just have to sign it is for racing but nobody is going to check

[syclone01]

I'd just get a 90 yamaha 2 stroke. 261lbs, they are raced in Europe a lot so finding one and someone that can help you make it faster if need be should be easier than any of the other motors. Parts are easy to get if needed. Pretty much the lightest hp to weight ratio, with yamaha reliability. Props easy to find. The lower unit on the 60 etec causes a little problem finding props with it's 2.67 ratio. The yamaha 90 has same splines as a v6 merc, and omc. the etec 60 weighs 240lbs, the etec 75-90hp 320lbs... Yamaha 90 ratio is 2.0:1 as is the 75-90 etec. Don't even think of a 4 stroke. I had a 145 scout centerconsole with a yamaha 40 2 stroke I ran 38gps, put on a new 90 yamaha 2stroke ran 52gps, but hull would just chinewalk so i couldn't really see the speed potential. The scout hull weighs a lot less than what your skiff weighs, your weight seems really heavy, are you sure of the weight?

[Mark75H]

the 60 formularace is available here tough

ive talked to several dealers and they have delivered several to the public here. You just have to sign it is for racing but nobody is going to check

I bet it is the F4 motor from Sweden, not the Formularace

[With400]

I'd just get a 90 yamaha 2 stroke. 261lbs, they are raced in Europe a lot so finding one and someone that can help you make it faster if need be should be easier than any of the other motors. Parts are easy to get if needed. Pretty much the lightest hp to weight ratio, with yamaha reliability. Props easy to find. The lower unit on the 60 etec causes a little problem finding props with it's 2.67 ratio. The yamaha 90 has same splines as a v6 merc, and omc. the etec 60 weighs 240lbs, the etec 75-90hp 320lbs... Yamaha 90 ratio is 2.0:1 as is the 75-90 etec. Don't even think of a 4 stroke. I had a 145 scout centerconsole with a yamaha 40 2 stroke I ran 38gps, put on a new 90 yamaha 2stroke ran 52gps, but hull would just chinewalk so i couldn't really see the speed potential. The scout hull weighs a lot less than what your skiff weighs, your weight seems really heavy, are you sure of the weight?

oops i meant 1100 pounds don't no why i put it wrong???

thanks for all the help so far and i am going to check out the 90 yamaha but i think it is a little bit too much for my boat tough.
i am thinking to research prop supply with the etec 60.

[With400]

This is not my boat but it is exactly the same
haven't got any good overall pics of my own boat

[With400]

The boat has an hull which is designed for speed (more or less) and has been in production since 1964 virtually unchanged

[Billy C]

Post a pic of the transom,and bottom of that boat. Does it have a Yamaha 50 0n it now?

[Billy C]

What kind of speeds are they getting out of this boat with a 50 yamaha?

[mk30h]

Marcus wrote

Step up to a 70 hp 2-stroke.

The 70 hp 2-cyl 2-stroke Tohatsu is strong and light.

The 70 hp 3-cyl 2-stroke Yamaha is more sophisticated.

checked the Tohatsu USA site and they list models 25 hp to 90 hp as 3cli. The 70hp Tohastu is direct injected ie Orbital similar to Optimax
I'd don't know if they have the same models in Europe. Based on your boat pict any of the engines discussed here would be good and that means 4 strokes too.
Nice lapstrake boat by the way, I have 3 Lapstrakes all over 45 years old. They last. The Norse had a great design.

[With400]

Post a pic of the transom,and bottom of that boat. Does it have a Yamaha 50 0n it now?

no it has a 30 on it now the guy with this boat thought it was about a 41 mph boat with this 50 but he never checked (or it was less and he did not want to tell me because it was for sale?? seemed honest tough)

mine with the 30 goes about 31 mph

i wil get a pic of the transom/ bottm

[Stoker1]

where are you at in Europe?

[With400]

where are you at in Europe?

Amsterdam the netherlands

[With400]

http://www.speurders.nl/overzicht/watersport-en-boten/with-400-bouwjaar-1992-62049226.html?q=with+400

don't know if this works from another continent but here is one for sale with slightl better pics of transom and bottom.

talked to a prop shop guy about the evinrude 60 props but he came with all these options different sorts and all and because i have not actually got the engine he was not very helpful . for the etec which kind of prop do i need and what size range??

[Stoker1]

I'm just down the road from you... around Frankfurt. Perhaps Markus can assist? He's in Norway?

[Jason Johnson]

The man asked for a 60hp. A 60hp Mercury is 60 cubic inches. The largest displacement in the 60 hp group of all brands. A small gear case with a good ratio. NOTHING will out do it in the 60 hp class NOTHING. Yes I would like to see him with a 90 Yammi, he asked about a 60hp.

[With400]

The man asked for a 60hp. A 60hp Mercury is 60 cubic inches. The largest displacement in the 60 hp group of all brands. A small gear case with a good ratio. NOTHING will out do it in the 60 hp class NOTHING. Yes I would like to see him with a 90 Yammi, he asked about a 60hp.

I would like to put the 90 yamaha on my boat but don't you think it would be a bit much?

[With400]

oke i have narrowed it down to 2 motors the 60 etec and a 60 yamaha enduro

4stroke was out the window right away.
I would like to get the merc but they are not available new and in very low supply second hand.
the other motors suggested (90s) are just a little bit too much for me and my boat

The etec has my preference due to the fuel economy
but the downside is the huge gearcase
The yamaha is cheap and new(rare here)

so the question is which one would you take?
what will the speed difference be if any?
is there something that can be done to the gearcases?

[Mark75H]

Why have you ruled out the 60 hp Selva?

http://www.selvamarine.com/product.php?g=motori&f=2tdfi&c=greyshark60lpdfi

[With400]

The selva is not available in holland (only the 4strokes) there are no 2stroke models available from any manufacturer only left overs. Popular models can be found second hand quite easily.

has anyone given my previous questions any thought?

[mcyama]

Yamaha 60 Enduro tells you already that it is not a race motor. You must have a cash cow to turn a Enduro 60 into a race motor. Motor is super low rpm. No propeller, and wot of 6000 or less. It's fun to race however you will never beat the new Merc. So do your rules mandate a 60 hp motor cover? A 60 E-Tec will certainly outrun any stock E 60 Yamaha. Man you a fighting an upstream battle. Best of luck. Martin

[With400]

Yamaha 60 Enduro tells you already that it is not a race motor. You must have a cash cow to turn a Enduro 60 into a race motor. Motor is super low rpm. No propeller, and wot of 6000 or less. It's fun to race however you will never beat the new Merc. So do your rules mandate a 60 hp motor cover? A 60 E-Tec will certainly outrun any stock E 60 Yamaha. Man you a fighting an upstream battle. Best of luck. Martin

The rpms and gear ratio is the same for the enduro and regular 60 hp yamaha models

I would like to get a yamaha 70 but there aren't any in the whole country it seems only a few pre 1990 models. curious to know why an evinrude should outrun the yamaha the rude has 2.67 gears that is a lot of drag???

should i reconsider the merc 60 efi fourstroke with the 1.85 gears?

[mcyama]

Do more homework. Yammi 60 & 70 are same cid. 60 has 20 mm carbs, 10 mm reed lift, and no compression. By the way the 60 Enduro only came manual start and a tiller handle for the U.S. market. So are you going to race with a tiller handle? Be more realistic about what you are up aganist. If you are set on a Yamaha look for an early 1980's 2 cylinder yamaha or mariner two cylinder and work toward installing a 90 hp powerhead. Better yet, PM Mr. Jason Johnson on S&F he has some quick 3 cylinders. Or just cut to the chase buy the new Merc. Thanks Martin

[Markus]

I would like to get a yamaha 70 but there aren't any in the whole country it seems only a few pre 1990 models.

In that case, see if you can find a 70 hp Tohatsu/Nissan 2-cyl 2-stroke.

[bworner]

Markus, we usually never agree, yet those Tohatsus are Light, Fast and built like a TANK. Ive always thought the 60 etec was faster, which it is compared to its competition, it does turn a 14 pitch prop, for instance on a Mirro Craft 16ft we use a 14x15p Alum prop, it turns it to redline easily, it will turn a 19p if on a more efficient hull. Cant a guy put a Older OMC gearcase on the ETEC? Brannon

[Markus]

Marcus wrote


checked the Tohatsu USA site and they list models 25 hp to 90 hp as 3cli. The 70hp Tohastu is direct injected ie Orbital similar to Optimax

Sorry - I was referring to the old carbed stuff which was really light compared to their carbed counterparts back then.

The Tohastu Orbital engines are light compared to their current counterparts as well, but everything has become a lot heavier.

[phillnjack]

I know this is an old post but only just seen a few of the comments on here.
Now for those who think a e-tec 60 is a fast engine or powerful they realy have no idea about them.
they are useless for anyone who wants a quick motor due to daft gear ratio.
as for powerful ha ha ,not a chance, and old 2 cylinder 60hp will destroy an e-tec 60 for speed on average speedboat.
an e-tec 90 is not a fast engine neither, the uk national record for a bone stock e-tec that is allowed a different prop only is 50mph.
I don't know of any other 90hp 2 stroke with such a low speed on a raceboat.
a 60hp e-tec will never in a million years keep up with a merc 60 2 stroke or 3 cylinder omc 60hp.

[croSSed]

Here's my experience (been boating all my life, and I look at factory performance data): Other engines might make better torque, have better holeshot, and so forth, but by and large nothing beats a Merc for all-out top speed. Plus, owning one is kind of like having a small block V8 Chevy: The aftermarket possibilities are near endless. Take a look at F1 racing; how many OMC's or Yamaha's do you see doing that?