New guy here, questions about Action boats.

[Bryrylan]

Hows it going guys I'm new here and have some questions about Action boats. My neighbor has one he was trying to sell last year and it never sold, They are summer residents so I'm going to attempt to buy it from him when they come down this spring. Its similar in shape to the Actions I see on here but its slightly different in shape in the transom area, It says "Action 21" on the side of it and is on a trailer that's in great shape. The motors a 79 mercury 200hp which looks to be in good shape and the props a stainless one also in good shape. My questions for you guys are A: can some one tell me what year this thing is if I get you a HIN B: what areas can go south on these that I should look at? and C: If its in fair working order what should I offer him for it.

thanks
Bryan

[Bryrylan]

pics, sorry my camera phone sucks

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e398/bryrylan/boat5.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e398/bryrylan/0321101823b.jpg

[Bryrylan]

VINs ACM ending in 86. This mean that its a 1986?

[RussF]

where in mass are you

[Bryrylan]

where in mass are you
the cape

[Flusher King]

Looks like a Super Boat 21' or a Rally Sport 21'.

Action Marine of Hollywood, FL made a 18', 19', & 20'. They later built a 23' & 25" CC & a few 28's.

[RussF]

doesn t look like the action boats I ve seen, I agree with King

[Bryrylan]

Looks like a Super Boat 21' or a Rally Sport 21'.

Action Marine of Hollywood, FL made a 18', 19', & 20'. They later built a 23' & 25" CC & a few 28's.

It has an ACM HIN thow? any ideahs?

[Mr. Action]

My dad built it. It is a action but I dnt think it's a 86 model year cuz Im a 83 model year and my dad stoped that style b4 I was born!

I'll get info from my dad this week and keep u posted

[RussF]

Never seen an Action that looked like that before

[magnum2.5]

those molds were flooting around so.fla in the late 70's early 80's , 21' SCORPION, JAGUIRE, I had one an open fish called WILD THING...196680

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[baja200merk]

Is this where the 21 paramount came from? The bottom looks different but if it is can you post some picsof the bottom of these 21 actions, thanks! :cheers:

[Mr. Action]

those molds were flooting around so.fla in the late 70's early 80's , 21' SCORPION, JAGUIRE, I had one an open fish called WILD THING...196680

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Donnie is an animal he's had them all

[Mr. Action]

Is this where the 21 paramount came from? If so can you post some picsof the bottom of these 21 actions, thanks! :cheers:
But 1 of these were on the cover of the mercury catalog in 83 or 84 I'll post soon

[magnum2.5]

THANKS BARNEY...thats because I've been around a long time...not a puppy like you guys...this website brings back good memories all the time!!!:cheers::cheers::cheers:196692

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[magnum2.5]

here is PARAMOUNTS bottom...1988 anyway...:cheers:196695

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[Bryrylan]

The big question is how do they ride? and what should I offer him ?

[Action Dave]

Wow. I've never seen an Action that looks like that. That might be pre-Action Dave. (1979). If the HIN is ACM it was built by Barney though. They did make a 21 center console in the 80's but I've never seen a closed deck model like that. I would check the usual stress points. Transom, floor, bottom. More than likely if the boat is as old as I'm assuming, and it's never been re-done, you've got some work to do with it. I'm interested to see what Mr. Action has to tell us about this boat.

[baja200merk]

thanks for the pics i know what the paramount bottom looks like, i have one but i was asking because i was told the 21 paramount molds came from action and were altered at paramount. Doesnt look liek it was this 21 action though. Thanks tho!

[Action Dave]

Speaking of which, I think I hear his truck pulling up outside my shop.

[magnum2.5]

KIND of rounded bottom, no pad, shallow dead rise and not many lifting strakes like the newer styles..ie superboat, velocity , but does have nice lines and long deck, should ride fine with that power, love those NASTALGIC boats...if YOU like it NEGOCIATE !!!:iagree:

[Bryrylan]

he had it on CL for $1500 my brother in law almost bought it for the motor. Idk how much work its going to need the damn thing musta been garaged because its extremely clean the transom seemed ok but I'm not to sure how to check it?

[magnum2.5]

for that price you should be all over it, it looks pretty good from the pic, covered up and all, don't know about the motor, but the boat and trailer should be worth that...good luck:smiletest:

[Skittles]

those molds were flooting around so.fla in the late 70's early 80's , 21' SCORPION, JAGUIRE, I had one an open fish called WILD THING...196680

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That boat is at my dads shop right now.

[1BadAction]

he had it on CL for $1500 my brother in law almost bought it for the motor. Idk how much work its going to need the damn thing musta been garaged because its extremely clean the transom seemed ok but I'm not to sure how to check it?
I'd jump on it for that. :thumbsup:

[Action Dave]

Seems like a good price even if it needs a little work. According to Barney, that boat should be a 1983-84. Rare boat but still pretty cool looking.

[magnum2.5]

I sold it to a guy from ORLANDO area, he said he wanted to re-do it, I guess he ment it...cool boat...not many like it left...:cheers:196716

[Bryrylan]

If I get that motor running good what shoud I see for speeds like 55-60?

[magnum2.5]

THINK POSITIVE 60+:cheers:

[Bryrylan]

THINK POSITIVE 60+:cheers:

really? thats cool I hope it works out. Like I said he may not even sell it now but one can hope I'm hoping to fix it up and pull it with this. 80s truck with 80s boat

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e398/bryrylan/DSC00011.jpg

[Action Dave]

Sweet! But you have to crank up the 80's hair-metal when driving that thing around.:D

[1BadAction]

Sweet! But you have to crank up the 80's hair-metal when driving that thing around.:D
Best. video. evar! :headbang: I used to love blasting this in my IROC (dead serious, lol)

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[michael_m]

lol i watch def leppard right now gotta love the hair days white snake was one of my favorite i loved me sum tesla

[Mr. Action]

Dnt forget Billy Oceans greatests hits

[magnum2.5]

LED ZEPPLIN " WHOLE LATTA LOVE " brother...:cheers:

[Action Dave]

Dnt forget Billy Oceans greatests hits


My dad's got that one. Carribean Queen! Now we're sharing the same dream!

[magnum2.5]

DON'T FORGET " SMOOTH OPERATOR " by SADE

[AirRide]

Barney(Sr.) made that briefly from the old Scorpion 20/21 hull mold. It was originally designed & tooled by SeaBird back in the early 70's. OMC used a royal blue gelcoat SeaBird 20 in their sterndrive literature(fullpage) jumping a wake, coming completely out of the water, showing off the entire clubfoot outdrive, about 1972.

[baja200merk]

Best. video. evar! :headbang: I used to love blasting this in my IROC (dead serious, lol)
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that blond chick singin sure has a deep voice:rolleyes:

Kevin:D

[CSD23]

WOW! U guys r old!

[Bryrylan]

Hey I'm only 23 lol

[Action Dave]

WOW! U guys r old!


The funny thing is most of the guys making these rediculous music comments are younger than me and I'm 31.

[Bryrylan]

So how do I check the floor and transom and stuff? I'm new to fiberglass boats, always run aluminum skiffs.

[magnum2.5]

HEY MAN !!! it's an ACTION MARINE not a hydrostream, chances are it's in great shape...real glass not balsa core, probably 3/8 in thick, ACTION MARINE wouldn't build a boat that won't go 60+ JUMP ON IT !!!:smiletest:

[Bryrylan]

If its as old as you guys think it is it MUST have been kept inside till recently because its mint

[magnum2.5]

You better go buy it before some secret agent on this site figures out where it is and puts it in there back yard.........:iagree:

[Bryrylan]

Hey how safe would you say this thing will be I see lots of talk to boats "blowing" over at high speeds and such, this should be a decent fast but not all out drag boat right?

[magnum2.5]

you will never blow that boat over, would make a great cruiser...:cheers:

[Action Dave]

Yeah that thing would be tough to blow over. It's probably not the fastest thing out there but it should be plenty fun.

[1BadAction]

Might not be the fastest down here Dave, but considering where he is at, I would say that would have most of the bayliners and such covered just fine. :D

[Bryrylan]

Might not be the fastest down here Dave, but considering where he is at, I would say that would have most of the bayliners and such covered just fine. :D

50 is "fast" here lol the lake I want to run it in has a 60mph speed limit so

[RussF]

yup we have short season here

[Bryrylan]

lol NVM just looked it up its 45 mph looks like I will have to wait for a smooth day on the cape cod bay to open that thing up if I get it.

[Bryrylan]

HEY MAN !!! it's an ACTION MARINE not a hydrostream, chances are it's in great shape...real glass not balsa core, probably 3/8 in thick, ACTION MARINE wouldn't build a boat that won't go 60+ JUMP ON IT !!!:smiletest:

So its all glass no wood? the guy should be down here on the 1st of April so I'm going to beat his door down when he gets here lol :cheers:

[Action Dave]

So its all glass no wood? the guy should be down here on the 1st of April so I'm going to beat his door down when he gets here lol :cheers:


It probaby has a wood in the transom, floor, seatbox, etc. Only the newer boats are made wood-free. No reason to worry. Get a rubber mallet and tap stresspoints on the boat. Usually the transom is the first to show wood rot. Or soft spots on the floor. If you hear a dead "thud" with the mallet, the wood is soft.

[Bryrylan]

Ok will do I jumped around on the floor and it seemed solid its always covered so I'm hoping that helps. I will check the transom soon, the motor was up and I tried bouncing the motor up and down and it did not seem to flex or anything so.

[RussF]

what lake is that boat on now

[Bryrylan]

what lake is that boat on now


I'm not sure where he runs it. Why I'm so concerned about the transom is because the aluminum cap on top of it is lose and I'm not sure how much water has gone down into it.

[RussF]

alot water get in everywhere

[Bryrylan]

alot water get in everywhere

Huh???

[RussF]

if the boat is how old and outside, even with a cover on water gets in, if the top of the transom is crascked water gets inthe transom

[Bryrylan]

Yeah.... Thats what I'm thinking but I think if I get it for the right price it shouldn't matter.

[1BadAction]

Yeah.... Thats what I'm thinking but I think if I get it for the right price it shouldn't matter.
yep.

I buy a boat expecting it to be rotten (and pricing it like it is) Usually I am not disappointed, but my latest project ended up being solid as a rock structurally. :thumbsup:

[Bryrylan]

well I see trailers going for 800 like its sitting on and I know if that motors runs its worth 800 bucks around here so if I get it for a 1000 worst case I can split it up and sell my way out of it. The last project I had was a race quad that was "mint", well cracked frame, JB welded head studs, hacked wiring, I learned my lesson about buying toys.

[Bryrylan]

Ok so tonight I got to pull the carpet back and really look at the floor. It needs a floor.... so that prob means It needs stringers and such to? I know alittle about fiberglass and I'm handy but is this somthing I should walkaway from? I did a search on here and see tons of boats split in half to be repaired and such I don't want that... If I can gut the floor and go from there thats fine but I'm all set with separating a hull. the floor looks like its all glass on top of ply wood. the woods shot and it looks like theres foam under the ply wood. you think the stringers are junk?

[magnum2.5]

usually the stringers are layed up at the time the hull is made...the floor is put in after and most used plywood, but, only laminated the top of the plywood, the bottom was exposed to water and humidity and over time soaked up mosture and gets soft, it takes awhile lets face it the boat is 30 yrs old...if you remove the plywood you might find the stringers to be in great shape, puttin in a floor in older boats is often a given, if the transom is bad this means more extensive work, but if you are going to make a cruiser out of it with-out having a high jackplated motor on it , it may be fine with just minor repair...if you LIKE the boat and get it cheap enough, not a big deal to bring it back....my sugestion would have somebody experienced in inspection take a good look at it and make a judgement call, it didn't look that bad from the photos but up close tells all, jump on the back of the motor and see if the transom flecks, look for cracks around the engine well, it should be obivous if its really SHOT:)

[Bryrylan]

First thanks for all the reply's I know I'm being a pain in the ass with this but like i said in my past post I got screwed bad on a Race quad and then lost my shirt when I sold it so. Yeah my 200+# brother in law was pushing down hard on the motor tonight and it was not flexing at all (the jack wheel of the trailer was coming off the ground) I really like it alot and think we can handle a floor replacement I think the front of the floors good because the bows enclosed, the carpets in good shape that's over the floor now so it would be a remove and power wash that and reinstall it. There was like two 3" holes cut out under where the back seat would be thats how I know the plys junk and there's foam under it. Would it be best to rip all the foam out and just re plywood it with marine ply and fiberglass on top of it/around it to keep it in place?

[magnum2.5]

it't probabley not that bad...if the foam is WET you will have to chase it down and remove it cause it hold water and weight, the carpet will hide most amature repairs, easy fix, summer is just around the corner so GET-ER-DONE....:cheers:

[Bryrylan]

well I will keep ya posted the guy should be here Thursday and I'm going to ask him If its still for sale and if I can bring it to my shop and throw a battery in it see if it runs and all that jazz.

[1BadAction]

even if the foam is wet, the stringers might not be. Just depends on if the stringers were penetrated in the rear (like screwing a bilge pump to them and not sealing) if they were compromised, the ply will soak that water all the way through. In the front of my action where the glass was sealed, the stringer was rock solid, even though the foam around it was soaked and the floor was mulch.