Another Rip Off Story

[madsnrn]

Ok, late last July I bought this http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190384

I put under 10 hrs on it sense. I pulled the heads off a few weeks ago to send them to Jay Smith. I noticed that there was a chunk of piston missing in one of the holes. These things happen.
Before I bought the motor I called dBart a few time and opted to take the 36 hr round trip to TN and back because I was told it was a great motor. When I got there I was shocked to see how well the cowl and motor looked. I was told by the seller the motor was "Never" taken apart. WRONG! I took it to a Mechanic and he told me the horrific tale of the inside. A very long and angering list of damaged parts. He told me, and I quote " it looks like someone slapped it together to pawn it off". Here is what he told me. The one hole that I knew about the locator pin fell out. Could have been my fault....... The other 5 holes are shot as well. One was re-sleeved. I found this to be amazing because it was "never taken apart" 3 other sleeves have gouges above and or below the exhaust ports but the rings on the pistons are still good.... One of the holes had a rod break and gouges the case and crack the block from the piston bottoming out. and all the rods are 100% ok. Very odd............ thats my sob story.


Now, here is the reason I am putting this in the tech. I PM'ed the guy and asked him what he thought. He told me, and again, I quote "its your fault for not taking the heads off before you bought it". Has anyone taken heads off someones motor before you bought it? After the guy said it was "never" taken apart? and the motor seemed to run good? The seller told me that "my mail box warranty was up"? My mailbox is fine. Its still out by the road. I don't need a mailbox, I need a good motor. I get my mail daily. But, my motor was junk before I bought it. I don't expect this guy to pay for it but a simple "dude, i didn't know, sorry" would have helped. Not, "Its your fault for not taking the heads off". the motor was junk when i bought it, that I know for a fact. I payed $5000.00 for this POS and have to spend another $3000.00 + to fix it? I could have bought a KILLER 260 for that kind of money............. Pissed off!!!!!! I wasn't going to go public but the guy called me out on not one but two PMs and said it was my fault! BS! the locator pin i understand, the rest....... NOT MY FAULT DUDE!!!!! Thanks guys. Had to vent! Let me know about the head thing guys. I didnt think I needed to pull the heads off. I guess I learned the hard way.

[roadkill636]

maybee as far as he knew,, the motor wasen't taken apart.

[madsnrn]

maybee as far as he knew,, the motor wasen't taken apart.

Maybe, but don't tell me its my fault. And if you don't know, don't say NEVER! Say, i really don't know. I would have still gotten it. I could say its his fault for selling something he know nothing about, or he should have checked out the motor a little better before he charged someone $5000.00 for it. And he should have pulled the heads before he sold it. At least I got an ok mid and a sporty out of it. Worth $5000.00? Not to me.

[bassmastrbw96]

ok folks i have every email i got from this guy here let it be clear i told him
i would help him he said he didnt want nothing from me ok i had the engine for 3 years ran perfect no problem what so ever not 1 problem all i had done professionally had the oil injection removed and gear case oil changed and water pump this guy wants my engine we make a deal ok he comes to the house i offer to do a compression test i offer to pull the heads that had never been off in my ownership i offer to go on a river run all i was told was if it starts and goes into gear thats good for me with me never turning a wrench on it i told him everything i knew about the motor from day 1 i even told him if something happened within a reasonable timeframe we would work something out he can bash me all he wants i was totaly honest with him about the engine he knew exactly what i knew so with any two stroke motor its not if its when i purchased this boat motor combo from a widow woman the boat sat in her garage she knew nothing about it i have offered to help this guy i dont know what else i can do only reason i sold the engine was i lost my jobat the time needed money or i would still own it
bash me do whatever this guy dont want my help so:thumbsup:

[madsnrn]

ok folks i have every email i got from this guy here let it be clear i told him
i would help him he said he didnt want nothing from me ok i had the engine for 3 years ran perfect no problem what so ever not 1 problem all i had done professionally had the oil injection removed and gear case oil changed and water pump this guy wants my engine we make a deal ok he comes to the house i offer to do a compression test i offer to pull the heads that had never been off in my ownership i offer to go on a river run all i was told was if it starts and goes into gear thats good for me with me never turning a wrench on it i told him everything i knew about the motor from day 1 i even told him if something happened within a reasonable timeframe we would work something out he can bash me all he wants i was totaly honest with him about the engine he knew exactly what i knew so with any two stroke motor its not if its when i purchased this boat motor combo from a widow woman the boat sat in her garage she knew nothing about it i have offered to help this guy i dont know what else i can do bash me do whatever this guy dont want my help so:thumbsup:
I never said the motor didn't run. It still ran. And you said you would help me find parts. not pay for anything. I don't need parts. I NEED A POWER HEAD! THIS ONE IS NOT TRADABLE TO ANY DEALERSHIP AS A USABLE CORE. Lets get that clear. Comp test...... You told me you got 120 + or - .003. A river run was unnecessary, the motor ran. You sold a motor and told me it was never taken apart, right? Misrepresentation. You also said you never buy something without taking the heads off. I don't see a need to take the heads off a running NEVER taken apart motor..........

[alxb2003]

sorry but here is my2 cents. i know bart very well and have been around this motor.

it ran good and i didnt know of any problems with it .


sorry the motor allegedly blew but they do that sometimes. the dealer that says its not worth a core exchange is blowin smoke and would like to get it for free. probably outboard rebuild or something like that.
i have pulled the heads off a friends motor before buying it and always do compression check.

like i said,sorry but bart aint out to screw anyone.

[alxb2003]

another thing,,,,,nice video of the motor running 75 on friday!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-_sgtIOeoo

[madsnrn]

another thing,,,,,nice video of the motor running 75 on friday!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-_sgtIOeoo

That is a good video. Mad it myself. ONCE AGAIN. The motor ran until I took the heads off. The block and all but 2 sleeves needs to be repaired. A sleeve was installed in a motor that has never been apart.

[alxb2003]

the point is it ran and you bought without any implied warranties. get over it and move on without bashing bart for so called "ripping you off"
you are way off base with that......:thumbsup: find a reputable dealer like nichols in soddy or reynolds in harriman and get them to rebuild it or sell it to the highest bidder on feebay.

[madsnrn]

the point is it ran and you bought without any implied warranties. get over it and move on without bashing bart for so called "ripping you off"
you are way off base with that......:thumbsup: find a reputable dealer like nichols in soddy or reynolds in harriman and get them to rebuild it or sell it to the highest bidder on feebay.
I have a great idea. Why don't I put it back together, sell it as a running motor. Tell the buyer its a great motor and has never been taken apart. That would be very good. I thinks its funny that 2 months after Bart had to sell the motor because he was unemployed and needed money, he is having problems with a 2.5 bogging. And is looking for a SVS for a promax..... Kinda odd wouldn't ya say? Get rid of the POS mariner and buy a good one with the 5000 I gave you. Way to go bart.
:thumbsup:

[2.5_stoker]

bummer deal man i hope you get it worked out!

[madsnrn]

bummer deal man i hope you get it worked out!
Thanks buddy!:thumbsup:

[nealxb2003]

I'd be madder than hell.....Roy D Mercer might come out. LOL.

[imq707s]

When you buy a used motor, you never "Really" know what you are going to get. You always have to consider the fact that you may not get exactly what you are wanting when you buy something used. It stinks that your motor had problems, but used it used.....and unless the guy obviously tried to rip you off (which it seems like he didn't), just suck it up and move on. :smiletest:

[Skittles]

Quite frankly I wouldnt offer anything to u after this.....its a USED motor which could have blown up while making that 75 mph video of yours. There is no warranty here....and next time I'd pull the heads. U own this one and i dont think anyone is trying or was trying to screw u. Just be thankful its not a nik race motor$$$....the promax can be fixed for reasonable $$ and you can be ready for summer.

[madsnrn]

Quite frankly I wouldnt offer anything to u after this.....its a USED motor which could have blown up while making that 75 mph video of yours. There is no warranty here....and next time I'd pull the heads. U own this one and i dont think anyone is trying or was trying to screw u. Just be thankful its not a nik race motor$$$....the promax can be fixed for reasonable $$ and you can be ready for summer.

Wow, Ill say it again. I never asked for anything from this guy! Unless he will give me a good powerhead.:nonod: not going to happen. As far as the 75 mph pass. I stated before THE MOTOR STILL RUNS! ONE OF THE LOCATOR PINS FELL OUT. these things happen. A rod has been replaced in it bcause it has damage to the case from a rod knocking around and a crack were the piston bottomed out.. All the rods are in tact????????????????? And be thankful its not a nic cylinder. For $8500.00 I could have bought a great running 260. The promax can be fix for $$$$????????? No chit! $3000.00. All im saying is dont sell things you know nothing about. Any you sure as F*&K dont tell them its NEVER been opened and turn it around and say "its your fault"

[Way2slow on H2O]

That's always a "kick in the nuts" when this situation happens, and ALWAYS makes all parties involved look bad!!!

I was recently involved in a "deal gone bad" when asked to sell a Hydrostream Vector for a friend's neighbor that had to sell it due to a divorce. I knew the history of the boat as well as the 2 previous owners that raced it so I "thought" the boat was in good condition. According to the owner the boat was built without a core and turns out it HAS a core, a rotted to hell core!!! I sent the owner an email explaining this situation and her response was: "He's an ass for not looking at the boat". Now, in my defense, I explained the "original" conversation where she insisted the boat NOT be sold locally so she didn't have to see it....it went to Florida. Long story short I gave Sean (beefkid) $400 back on his $1500 investment. He still wanted the boat but wanted some help on materials to fix it (I'm still recovering from a near fatal boat accident Nov. 15th so it was difficult financially to shell out that cash for something I didn't make anything on... a favor, another lesson in life :mad:)

I sent you a PM about a couple of long blocks that were more than reasonable for "fresh" builds with warranty but didn't get a reply. These are "balanced" rotating assembly's: polished crank with new bearings (upper, mains, and lower), balanced, honed, and polished rods with oiler holes, new Vertex pistons balanced and angle cut, new steel caged race bearings, all ports chamfered, angled exhaust, rod slots cut, block and exhaust decked, and heads milled and cc'd, plus they have the rubber coated 5 petal cages :thumbsup:

I work at Texas Machine works and have a couple of long blocks that are fresh. They're both 240 Sport Jet blocks that are the same as 225 Pro Max but painted. One has 6 new sleeves and other has 2 new sleeves.

Here's what I can do:
$3000 exchange. You send your complete powerhead and I'll put all your electrics on it, dyno test it, break it in so it's ready to run when you get it, your choice of cc's on the heads, new Carson reeds, and she'll have a one year warranty. No oiler, the cavity is filled where the oil shaft went. You pay to ship it here, I'll pay to ship it back.

Ronnie

How's THAT for a deal??? These Sport Jet mota's are rev limited to 6000 rpm so they've NEVER been over-revved :D

[Li'l Toy]

Just a comment from what I can see here. One of the posts on the original sale thread is a reply to a question about the exhaust relief holes. The answer was "that's the way they were when I bought the motor."

I don't see how a seller can claim it has never been apart if he didn't own it since new, AND I don't see how a buyer can put any stock in a claim that it has never been apart if the sale thread makes it clear the seller hasn't owned it since new. Sounds like the seller ran it for several years with no problem, and the buyer ran it for quite a while until the lost pin made him open it up. To me, it is just one of those things.

[catfish123]

Personally, I'm shocked anyone could or would side with the seller of the motor. When a person says a motor was never apart, then that person should know that for a fact. It was misrepresented whether intentional or not. My vote goes to the buyer, who got ripped off on this deal and has every reason to be furious. $5000 for a motor in that condition was FAR TOO MUCH money.

[Brabender]

Used is Used. Period.
At least the seller is not hiding
and responded to this post.

Seems like one of those things.

Next time buy a new engine
or take the Gamble.

Bashing was not necessary

[bassmastrbw96]

Good Luck man... I've tried to make it right but as far as I'm concerned it's on you now. I'm not out to screw anyone over. I've apologized for this inconvience however I'm still not sure how many apologies it's going to take or what language you are expected it in but I did not mislead you intentionally.

[HStream1]

Personally, I'm shocked anyone could or would side with the seller of the motor. When a person says a motor was never apart, then that person should know that for a fact. It was misrepresented whether intentional or not. My vote goes to the buyer, who got ripped off on this deal and has every reason to be furious. $5000 for a motor in that condition was FAR TOO MUCH money.

:iagree::iagree: I think at this point the two (seller & buyer) need to get off this thread and go to PM/Telephone and come to a mutual agreement. Once that is done Kill this thread all together.

I buy and sell here often. I have only had one sell go bad & only one questional Buy. I sold a boat, motor and trailer. Took the boat out drove it, let the buyer drive it etc, etc. Sold as is no warranty. Buyer takes boat out motor stops running???

Buyer calls me. I tell him bring boat back. I check it out # 6 piston siezed. I offer a complete refund. Buyer says no I want the boat. So I produce another powerhead. I eat part of it and buyer eats part of it. I did all labor.

To me it's all about my reputation. And guess what?? We have become good friends.

[mirage243]

Wouldn't even consider buying a motor without a compression test AND pulling the heads. Gaskets are cheap. JMO

[madsnrn]

Good Luck man... I've tried to make it right but as far as I'm concerned it's on you now. I'm not out to screw anyone over. I've apologized for this inconvience however I'm still not sure how many apologies it's going to take or what language you are expected it in but I did not mislead you intentionally.

Bart, did you or did you not say in the first pm back to me, the mailbox warranty is up? You never said sorry or offer to help. I am not in front of a computer but, I am sure you said it was my fault...... I never said you knew about the damage. I simply told you what the mach told me. And you offered to help find parts, once again, I don't need parts. I need a powerhead that is worth the money I payed for the motor. You told me I was on my own from the get go, the very first pm.

[Capt.Insane-o]

. Any you sure as F*&K dont tell them its NEVER been opened and turn it around and say "its your fault"


This...


:iagree::iagree: I think at this point the two (seller & buyer) need to get off this thread and go to PM/Telephone and come to a mutual agreement. Once that is done Kill this thread all together.


This..


Personally, I'm shocked anyone could or would side with the seller of the motor. When a person says a motor was never apart, then that person should know that for a fact. It was misrepresented whether intentional or not. My vote goes to the buyer, who got ripped off on this deal and has every reason to be furious. $5000 for a motor in that condition was FAR TOO MUCH money.

and this.

Sometimes one has to chew on a little crow, no matter how bad it tastes. Dude, when I get home I'll p.m. you, worst comes to worst I'm sure Ruck can get the block straightened out and we can get you back to normal for a lot less than three grand.

[Cp]

I bought a used 97 Promax last winter. First thing I did was pull the heads and after that it came completely apart, Ruk'd the block. All new parts. It now runs great. We both paid for used motors and that's what we got. You were just a bit naive thinking that a used motor would run like/as long as a new one. The seller said he hadn't had the motor apart. It's not like he misrepresented it as a fresh rebuild. Used is used..... Sorry pal. Lick your wounds and find a good Merc tech.

[fyremanbil]

So lets say it had never been apart, but lost the locater pin. Upon disassembly it was found to be worn beyond tolerance and needed to be bored to the next oversize. This could be reasonably expected when buying a used engine. How is the buyer out (much) more money than if it truely had never been apart. I would agree that the seller should have said "never been apart while I owned it", but:
The locater pin is just bad luck.
Worn or scored cylinders could be there from normal wear, even if it had never been apart.
A sleeve shows it's been apart, but it's not a problem if it was done right.
The damage from the previous rod letting go can be fixed pretty cheap.

The buyer has only lost whatever the reduced value of a sleeved block is worth compared to a non-sleeved block, all else being equal. A quick gentlemans agreement on what that is (probably not much) and it's resolved. Just how I see it.

[madsnrn]

This...



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and this.

Sometimes one has to chew on a little crow, no matter how bad it tastes. Dude, when I get home I'll p.m. you, worst comes to worst I'm sure Ruck can get the block straightened out and we can get you back to normal for a lot less than three grand.
I agree with all of those as well. I just wish it was not turned around on me. The one hole I will take the blame for. But the rest was aready there. The guy rebuilding it it taking it to rucks on mon to see how much it will be to put a few sleeves in and fix the crack. I don't expect bart to pay for any of this so it will all be out of my own pocket and I don't wana have to do this again. I can't afford to put 3000 into it every year. Thanks capt. Take care man!:thumbsup:

[madsnrn]

So lets say it had never been apart, but lost the locater pin. Upon disassembly it was found to be worn beyond tolerance and needed to be bored to the next oversize. This could be reasonably expected when buying a used engine. How is the buyer out (much) more money than if it truely had never been apart. I would agree that the seller should have said "never been apart while I owned it", but:
The locater pin is just bad luck.
Worn or scored cylinders could be there from normal wear, even if it had never been apart.
A sleeve shows it's been apart, but it's not a problem if it was done right.
The damage from the previous rod letting go can be fixed pretty cheap.

The buyer has only lost whatever the reduced value of a sleeved block is worth compared to a non-sleeved block, all else being equal. A quick gentlemans agreement on what that is (probably not much) and it's resolved. Just how I see it.
Exactly! I would have taken the blame if it was the locator pin. Not a problem. Now not only do - have to put one sleeve and a new piston in it, but I have to pay for ruck to weld it and put more than 1 sleeve. If it was just worn it would need one sleeve and 6 pistons. No agreement will be made on this deal because when I questioned the sell he said it was my fault. Yep, one hole, 6 pistons, and no crack. Would have been 2700 with labor and gaskets. Now I'm sure it will be more than 3000 to fix 4 sleeves and the crack. Like I said, in the first PM I got from him he said that imy mailbox warranty was up and it was my fault. He didn't sound shocked at all. The thing that set me off is that a month or to after I bought this motor he was looking for more 225 parts and his 225 was bogging out. Sounds a little fishy to me.

[Ron V]

Not saying I would have gone through the trouble to pull the heads either, but lesson learned for everyone reading this...if you're looking at a motor that is even remotely high stressed, pay the seller for the head gaskets/o-rings, deal or no deal. Probably the best money and 10 minutes you could spend.

Is there an easy way to tell if the crankcase halves have been apart? It would be pretty obvious on a fishing motor with a painted block, but is there an easy way to tell on the high perf motors with plain aluminum blocks? I've never looked at one close. Just a thought. I don't think Mercury uses the lead seals anymore like they used to, and those could be faked anyway.

I sold a 90 hp Evinrude crossflow with 200 hours on a .030" oversize full rebuild. Compression was perfect, and it ran perfect. The timing linkage was epoxied in place at 28 degrees and it had been set like that since before the rebuild. The buyer put it on a pontoon boat and melted a piston in less than 3 hours. Probably operator error, but could have been just bad luck...at any rate he knew the motor had been apart because I told him and the new crankcase gasket was obvious. But he didn't ask me to pull the heads either.

[hometown45]

I am in the same situation, I bought a boat, motor and trailer, based on long converstations and pics as well as gut feel.
To make a long story short, the hull is gashed, the #6 piston is exploded, and I am not to sure of the wheel bearings on trailer either.
I bought it used, and made a mistake in judgement. So, now I am learning how to do more things on a boat than I had orginally anticipated. To me that is a bonus, it is fun to learn how to do stuff, and the pride one takes in a job well done is worth much more than the amount of money that this will cost me.
BTW I am re-powering with a 150 optimax rather than rebuilding the yamaha

[BRB]

u bought a complete motor for $5000.00 let see
$2000.00 sport master
$500.00 mid
$200.00 trim pump (if ya got it)
$500.00 cowling

so basically ya got a $2800.00 powerhead which u could part out damaged if ya need to....my point is for that money what did u excpect?????



just my 2cents good luck on both sides

[madsnrn]

Wow, I can sell my sporty for 2000?......

[mirage243]

Wow, I can sell my sporty for 2000?......

Yep.....

[HStream1]

Wow, I can sell my sporty for 2000?......

Not with those holes drilled in it. IMO.

[madsnrn]

Not with those holes drilled in it. IMO.

I'm not a motor guy so you will have to fill me in a little. What does the holes drilled have to do with what its worth? Iv seen people mill slots in them and that doesn't hurt them, does it? I really don't know why? Sorry. Just wondering. Thanks man!

[Fast-Trukin]

I posted about the promax that I bought from wildman,The lower unit had axle grease:reddevil::reddevil::reddevil: in it to keep it from blowing up.I spent a ton of cash on it.Wildman bought it on e-bay from a guy in texas,who rebuilt the powerhead.He bought it from a guy who sunk his bass boat.I bought it as is.oh -well:rolleyes:.Not sure who fixed the one bearing and packed the other bearings with axle grease because the drive shaft and prop shaft was shot and the seals would not keep the water out of the gear lube.But whoever did that:mad:Would do that:mad: (and Iam not blaming wildman as I belive him when he said he didnt know about it).Anyway Iam ready for spring with a completely rebiult lower unit with a bobs nose cone.Hope I dont blow it up!

[madsnrn]

I posted about the promax that I bought from wildman,The lower unit had axle grease:reddevil::reddevil::reddevil: in it to keep it from blowing up.I spent a ton of cash on it.Wildman bought it on e-bay from a guy in texas,who rebuilt the powerhead.He bought it from a guy who sunk his bass boat.I bought it as is.oh -well:rolleyes:.Not sure who fixed the one bearing and packed the other bearings with axle grease because the drive shaft and prop shaft was shot and the seals would not keep the water out of the gear lube.But whoever did that:mad:Would do that:mad: (and Iam not blaming wildman as I belive him when he said he didnt know about it).Anyway Iam ready for spring with a completely rebiult lower unit with a bobs nose cone.Hope I dont blow it up!
Oh no! That sucks. Wildman sells a ton of stuff on this great site. I don't think he would sell anyone that in the shape it was in. I'm almost ready for spring. Once the powerhead is ready, if its ready. I am very excited to see how this thing runs on all six cylinders. The guy rebuilding it said that on of the wires to the coil was arcing. He said he doubts if it even ran on all six sense iv had it. Let er rip! Have fun this summer.

[Fast-Trukin]

Oh no! That sucks. Wildman sells a ton of stuff on this great site. I don't think he would sell anyone that in the shape it was in. I'm almost ready for spring. Once the powerhead is ready, if its ready. I am very excited to see how this thing runs on all six cylinders. The guy rebuilding it said that on of the wires to the coil was arcing. He said he doubts if it even ran on all six sense iv had it. Let er rip! Have fun this summer.
I feel your(our) pain......Its good to vent.These things do happen in life.Its still cheaper then buying a new motor,getting a fresh powerhead or a gone-thru lower.Good luck:cheers:

[Bies]

Sounds like Barney buying the car car from Hub caps Lesch. That's sucks 8K and a boat anchor plenty of those around. Could you loan me $20.00.?

Sorry for the nudging you, that is bad. Why would we start tearing down a motor that has not been apart??????????????

[madsnrn]

Sounds like Barney buying the car car from Hub caps Lesch. That's sucks 8K and a boat anchor plenty of those around. Could you loan me $20.00.?

Sorry for the nudging you, that is bad. Why would we start tearing down a motor that has not been apart??????????????

What? I took the heads off to have them shaved by Jay Smith, if that is what your asking?

[stroker smoker]

just fix it then you know what you got dont sound like niether one of ya know what your talking about:rolleyes:

[madsnrn]

just fix it then you know what you got dont sound like niether one of ya know what your talking about:rolleyes:

How do I not know what I'm talking about? Please fill me in.

[stroker smoker]

We can start with buying a motor without checking comp or pulling the heads to see for you self what it looked like there's enuf sighns to tell if has been apart just by taking the cover off and looking for a minute not trying to start a pissing Mach but it's just as much your falt for not checking it as it is his for selling it and not owning it from the first crank it's yours now and this thread has done nothing but discoraged people from buying from the site or selling as far as that goes sceard that someone will come back and bash them to hell and back yes there are some but do you think that man whould have you drive there to buy a motor and just lie to you or maby he just realy thought he was telling the truth now fix your dam promax your going to have to do it wether he lied or not

[madsnrn]

We can start with buying a motor without checking comp or pulling the heads to see for you self what it looked like there's enuf sighns to tell if has been apart just by taking the cover off and looking for a minute not trying to start a pissing Mach but it's just as much your falt for not checking it as it is his for selling it and not owning it from the first crank it's yours now and this thread has done nothing but discoraged people from buying from the site or selling as far as that goes sceard that someone will come back and bash them to hell and back yes there are some but do you think that man whould have you drive there to buy a motor and just lie to you or maby he just realy thought he was telling the truth now fix your dam promax your going to have to do it wether he lied or not
are you f@+king retarded? I am fixing it. Its at the shop now and is going to rucks on monday. Did you read all the posts or just part of the first one? I would suggest reading the entire thing before putting in your two cents. Please point out the signs of the motor being torn apart so I know the next time I buy one. I will continue to buy from this site. I have bought a lot of stuff from a motor, a few props, gps speedo, and some other little things. My check for my membership is in the mail. I love this site and the people on here are great. Please so me "enuf sighns to tell if has been apart" I'm still new to this outboard thing. Thanks man.

[stroker smoker]

are you f@+king retarded? I am fixing it. Its at the shop now and is going to rucks on monday. Did you read all the posts or just part of the first one? I would suggest reading the entire thing before putting in your two cents. Please point out the signs of the motor being torn apart so I know the next time I buy one. I will continue to buy from this site. I have bought a lot of stuff from a motor, a few props, gps speedo, and some other little things. My check for my membership is in the mail. I love this site and the people on here are great. Please so me "enuf sighns to tell if has been apart" I'm still new to this outboard thing. Thanks man.

Must be a bad life going around with your head in your ass let's see you bought a promax 8 months ago and it has ran fine till now you want to bash a man for selling junk. Your the stupid mfer that bought the junky ass 13 year old motor because it had never been opened to dumb to know that it's fixin to eat all the plastic caged berings and you call me a retarded ****er because I don't agree with you I don't give a piss about your motor or your parts it's not like you sent him 5000 bucks and never heard from him again if you don't like that don't post stupid **** like this on a public forum

[madsnrn]

Wow! That's all I can say. Wow!:nonod:

[Skittles]

This isnt a fault or no fault situation..........these things happen when you stress these motors like we do....its the chit part of the hobby and we've all done it ....if you think this is going to be your last rebuild in this hobby i suggest quiting now. Bottom line here is there was NO WARRANTY!!! You bought a used motor and thats that....it was up to YOU to have it ck'ed out and YOU chose not to do so..now you are paying the price for that mistake....it really doesnt matter if he knew or didnt know at this point, as you should have cked it. Go rebuild it (and it should not cost 3k) and move on with your life. Next time if you want a warranty then I suggest buying a new motor.:rolleyes:

[mirage243]

This just get's funnier and funnier. I'm not laughing about your motor, but that little lovers quarrel between you and stroker was hilarious.:D

[hydrostream1]

This isnt a fault or no fault situation..........these things happen when you stress these motors like we do....its the chit part of the hobby and we've all done it ....if you think this is going to be your last rebuild in this hobby i suggest quiting now. Bottom line here is there was NO WARRANTY!!! You bought a used motor and thats that....it was up to YOU to have it ck'ed out and YOU chose not to do so..now you are paying the price for that mistake....it really doesnt matter if he knew or didnt know at this point, as you should have cked it. Go rebuild it (and it should not cost 3k) and move on with your life. Next time if you want a warranty then I suggest buying a new motor.:rolleyes:

Amen to that brother:iagree:

[stroker smoker]

This just get's funnier and funnier. I'm not laughing about your motor, but that little lovers quarrel between you and stroker was hilarious.:D
:iagree:

[madsnrn]

This just get's funnier and funnier. I'm not laughing about your motor, but that little lovers quarrel between you and stroker was hilarious.:D
I figured it would get nasty at some point. I just didn't think it would be with a guy iv never even talked to....
:D

[sschefer]

I figured it would get nasty at some point. I just didn't think it would be with a guy iv never even talked to....
:D

Next time use the PM feature of this board. It's much more foregiving.

[TheRickster]

No dog in this fight but..

2 Strokes are inheritly like a ball of yarn that is beginning to unravel or a backlash on an open face reel..

Had you have pulled the heads before purchase would would you have seen but 6 pistons and the top 1/2's of each bore.. Would that view have shown you any lie or ill will?
Perhaps was the motor fully disclosed by the seller and he was only referencing what HE was told when he purchased it?

Again, only raising points for consideration.. As far as any warrantee remarks made by him, the internet is so very impersonal and sometimes what is said in letter is not necessarily what is meant...

Dunno, Hate that it went sour for the both of you...

Rick

[madsnrn]

Next time use the PM feature of this board. It's much more foregiving.

I have been on here long enough to know how PMs work. They didn't work in this case. I PMed the seller before I made this thread. I don't need to be forgiven for anything and I'm not asking to be forgiven for anything. I just state my mind and if you don't like it there is an x at the top of the screen.

[madsnrn]

No dog in this fight but..

2 Strokes are inheritly like a ball of yarn that is beginning to unravel or a backlash on an open face reel..

Had you have pulled the heads before purchase would would you have seen but 6 pistons and the top 1/2's of each bore.. Would that view have shown you any lie or ill will?
Perhaps was the motor fully disclosed by the seller and he was only referencing what HE was told when he purchased it?

Again, only raising points for consideration.. As far as any warrantee remarks made by him, the internet is so very impersonal and sometimes what is said in letter is not necessarily what is meant...

Dunno, Hate that it went sour for the both of you...

Rick
That's a nice boat. We had a guy on here come to castle castle rock a while back that had a gambler. I like them.

[madsnrn]

Exactly! I would have taken the blame if it was the locator pin. Not a problem. Now not only do - have to put one sleeve and a new piston in it, but I have to pay for ruck to weld it and put more than 1 sleeve. If it was just worn it would need one sleeve and 6 pistons. No agreement will be made on this deal because when I questioned the sell he said it was my fault. Yep, one hole, 6 pistons, and no crack. Would have been 2700 with labor and gaskets. Now I'm sure it will be more than 3000 to fix 4 sleeves and the crack. Like I said, in the first PM I got from him he said that imy mailbox warranty was up and it was my fault. He didn't sound shocked at all. The thing that set me off is that a month or to after I bought this motor he was looking for more 225 parts and his 225 was bogging out. Sounds a little fishy to me.
Sorry guys, I was wrong. He was looking for parts for a 225 PM he borrowed.lol Sorry Bart.
At least you borrowed a pos and didn't spend 5Gs on it.

[captglm]

I can think of several old sayings that some-up this entire post up...Buyer Beware! a fool and his money soon depart! If it sounds to good to be true it probably is... a ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure... never leave anything to chance.. When you buy anything used you get exactly what you paid for, something used.. Don't take anything for granted . don't blame someone else for your own mistakes. last but not least. lesson learned! If you buy a 13 year old motor from someone who was not the original owner, you can't expect that guy to know the history of the motor. maybe he mislead you and maybe he didn't..

My opinion is- If you buy a used outboard motor thats been on a hot boat, its kinda like buying a fast car from a teen age kid... You never know what you're getting but you can bet its been ran like a scalded ass ape! unfortunately you are the one that's out the $$$$$$$$$ Sad but true. sorry for your loss! :thumbsup:

[madsnrn]

I can think of several old sayings that some-up this entire post up...Buyer Beware! a fool and his money soon depart! If it sounds to good to be true it probably is... a ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure... never leave anything to chance.. When you buy anything used you get exactly what you paid for, something used.. Don't take anything for granted . don't blame someone else for your own mistakes. last but not least. lesson learned! If you buy a 13 year old motor from someone who was not the original owner, you can't expect that guy to know the history of the motor. maybe he mislead you and maybe he didn't..

My opinion is- If you buy a used outboard motor thats been on a hot boat, its kinda like buying a fast car from a teen age kid... You never know what you're getting but you can bet its been ran like a scalded ass ape! unfortunately you are the one that's out the $$$$$$$$$ Sad but true. sorry for your loss! :thumbsup:

I hear ya. I am at fault to a certain degree. You say you get what you pay for. Not in this case. I am paying over $8000 for a motor worth $4500. I have a guy with a 225 PM for $4500. I over payed from the get go for a motor I thought was worth it. It looks like a BA motor and looked to be very well kept. I even asked the seller when I got there how he kept it that shiny. He gave me some spray wax that works great. Wish I could get more of that wax.

[blue185]

I have 2 questions that have come too me after reading all these posts today, 1-as a newbie who will be looking for a used motor,what would I be looking for if I pull off the heads other then obvious things like holes in the pistons or gouged sleeves.
2 - what would a mechanic charge to do this if I took him with me to look at a motor
Thanks for any help

[Jay Smith]

Compression and leak down tests will give most a pretty good idea of the ring/bore health. After these test are performed successfully and yield favorable results. You could remove the heads to look for previous pecks,pings and damage to the heads giving an indications of previous damage and or a shotty rebuild. Looking at the tops of the pistons and the bores as ALL the pistons are elevated and lowered a close observation should yield damage as well as now an oppurtunity to use a dial bore gauge to check for egg shaped and or worn out bores. This is a pretty good advance warning of impending issues, BUT if a locater pin is on the verge of failure and or the nylon con rod bearing housings are failing NO ONE can see or tell if these are failing unless the motor is completely torn down.

IMO : " An outboard engine is like a hand grenaide with the pin pulled " it not if it blows its when " there are preventative measure one can take for long term success and longvevity IMO they are: Top pin pistons , Hi Per Con Rod bearings ,Tony Doukas Reeds, and Brucato injector cleaning. When I build a motor these are things that after completed or installed I DON'T have to worry about and are now taken out of the usual failure equation..

My .02,
Jay

[madsnrn]

Not sure what one would charge to take a look, but it would be a good idea. Don't let threads like this stop you from buying. There are a lot of motors sold on this site and just a hand full of threads on bad deals. Good luck with buying your motor. Just do your homework and you'll be fine. Take care. Someone will help you out I'm surer of it.:thumbsup:

[HStream1]

Just as I was typing Jay's post poped up. Enough said. He covered it all.

Compression and leak down will tell you alot without pulling the heads.

Jay, sent you a PM and package will go out tomorrow. :thumbsup:

[blue185]

Thanks guys... one thing I have learned reading these threads are that there are alot of potential breakdowns with the high performance engines, that,s a givin. At the moment I have a 175 mariner on a 185 Pulse Checkmate, I would like to go to a 200 or a 225, but have no desire to go 80 or 100 mph what I really want is a reliable turnkey motor that will give me a little more zip then I have at the moment.
I seem to read alot about injectors fouling on EFI motors which makes me feel like for what I want a simple Optimax would be what I should be looking for or DON,T LAUGH maybe a newer 2003 or 2004 Evinrude. I can,t afford a newer motor,and a little insight to my situation, our cottage is on an island which means at midnight on a Thursday night if that motor won,t start my lovley wife will become a DEMON ! get my drift!!!!
Any feedback is realy appreciated Thanks;)

[madsnrn]

Just as I was typing Jay's post poped up. Enough said. He covered it all.

Compression and leak down will tell you alot without pulling the heads.

Jay, sent you a PM and package will go out tomorrow. :thumbsup:

Jays quick, not only that, he knows his chit and is always willing to help. Keep up the good work Jay!:thumbsup:

[madsnrn]

Thanks guys... one thing I have learned reading these threads are that there are alot of potential breakdowns with the high performance engines, that,s a givin. At the moment I have a 175 mariner on a 185 Pulse Checkmate, I would like to go to a 200 or a 225, but have no desire to go 80 or 100 mph what I really want is a reliable turnkey motor that will give me a little more zip then I have at the moment.
I seem to read alot about injectors fouling on EFI motors which makes me feel like for what I want a simple Optimax would be what I should be looking for or DON,T LAUGH maybe a newer 2003 or 2004 Evinrude. I can,t afford a newer motor,and a little insight to my situation, our cottage is on an island which means at midnight on a Thursday night if that motor won,t start my lovley wife will become a DEMON ! get my drift!!!!
Any feedback is realy appreciated Thanks;)

You should look into a bridgeport. I think they are reliable and they have more than enough power.

[Mr. Demeanor]

Like most thing electronic and optical, the price of borescopes has come down. I would imagine you could pic up a decent bore scope for the price of pulling the heads, gaskets, etc. Maybe not but maybe close and you have a nice tool for future use.

[FishingBen]

It ran fine the last time I was in it. I know he never personally took it apart because he fished with it on the transom when he wasn't at work. Sounds to me like he tried everthing to help you check it over before you bought it and you blew him and his initial kindness off with a "if it runs I'll take it" manuver. Well, if you didn't get what you wanted than it truly is your fault. I know the guy you got it from and he's honest as the day is long. If he told you he hadn't had it apart than he hadn't. If you didn't take the time to test it to see if it was what you wanted before making a no warranty implied deal than whose fault is that? Yours! So you can get off the "its all someone else's fault" trip and the fact that you're on here bashing someone else for your mistakes shows poor character. This hasn't changed my opionion of the seller only the character of the buyer. I wouldn't sell you nothing if you were paying twice what I wanted for it.

[madsnrn]

It ran fine the last time I was in it. I know he never personally took it apart because he fished with it on the transom when he wasn't at work. Sounds to me like he tried everthing to help you check it over before you bought it and you blew him and his initial kindness off with a "if it runs I'll take it" manuver. Well, if you didn't get what you wanted than it truly is your fault. I know the guy you got it from and he's honest as the day is long. If he told you he hadn't had it apart than he hadn't. If you didn't take the time to test it to see if it was what you wanted before making a no warranty implied deal than whose fault is that? Yours! So you can get off the "its all someone else's fault" trip and the fact that you're on here bashing someone else for your mistakes shows poor character. This hasn't changed my opionion of the seller only the character of the buyer. I wouldn't sell you nothing if you were paying twice what I wanted for it.

I never said anything about "fault" I took the blame for the one hole that the pin fell out. These things happen. i don't really care if you sell me anything. Its ok. I trusted him with the comp numbers he posted, my fault and it may have came up the same as he got had I checked it. The thing that gets me is, don't tell someone its never been opened if you don't know for sure. I am more pissed off about the crack. I will have it rebuilt and if I ever want to sell the power head it will be harder to get rid of it because it was cracked. You can bet I will let them know that it was cracked and not mislead them.

[JR IN JAX]

My first Pmax 225 Powerhead is sitting in my workshop, where I could sell it if I wanted to but.....The powerhead has over 1000 hours on it and during my [yearly] Annual inspection the compression was 130-132 across all holes. I had my Tech do a leakdown test and one hole came up with almost 5%. I had him pull the heads and we found a slight amount of scuffing on that hole. He told me I could easily "Run it at least for another season".

I bought a Merc-New powerhead instead and retired my old one.

I would not consider selling my old powerhead to anyone [with out having it rebuilt] since it has too many hours, even though it would still look good on just a compression test.

My point is...You really need to look in each hole with the head off!
Any seller should insist and any buyer who doesn't is gambling to lose....

[Sonik]

Like most thing electronic and optical, the price of borescopes has come down. I would imagine you could pic up a decent bore scope for the price of pulling the heads, gaskets, etc. Maybe not but maybe close and you have a nice tool for future use.

:iagree: This whole thread is unfortunate both all parties involved...but as far as inspection is concerned, I posted a thread a while back about a relatively inexpensive tool solution ($250-ish) as an alternative to popping heads prior to a purchase (or helping find an issue that WOULD require the heads be pulled). Great tool to have, saves time, offers peace of mind, and helps put buyer and seller on the same sheet of music so as there is very little to doubt about condition.

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200491


Jeff

[madsnrn]

Just took the block to Ruck's. Not good. This motor has been apart many times. found that it has been sleeved twice, and needs it again on one hole. The kicker is, one of the times it was rebuilt, someone put the pistons in up side down.:eek::nonod: gouged the sleeves out so now they are motor like a 260:thumbsup: O well, i should have a great motor buy the time its done.:thumbsup:

[specboatops]

Man I've read threw this and really feel for ya....nothing worse than problems with the boat or motor.......At least you should be good to go by summer.
Our group wants to get up your way and have some fun this summer........:thumbsup: Good luck with everything...........


Chris

[madsnrn]

Man I've read threw this and really feel for ya....nothing worse than problems with the boat or motor.......At least you should be good to go by summer.
Our group wants to get up your way and have some fun this summer........:thumbsup: Good luck with everything...........


Chris

Bring it on! I go out almost every weekend so just shoot me a pm. If you need a place to stay, let me know.:thumbsup: take care man. The motor is in the good hands of Ruck. Should be a rippa.

[FishingBen]

Here's the thing... he HAD never personally opened it. He told you he bought from a widow. The man who owned it was not alive to ask what all he'd had been done on it. Bart told you it had never been opened by him, and that was the truth. You say you're not looking for whose fault it is that you didn't get the exact motor that you want and then in the next sentence you use the word "blame"??? What do you think the word "blame" implies? FAULT. Its not his fault that you didn't tear it down and check to see that it was everything you wanted in a motor. He offered to assist you in taking it apart for inspection as he hadn't even seent the inside of it for himself and was probably curious to take a look before it moved on to a new owner and you didn't take him up on it. He gave you the compression readings that he took and you took them for good. Which I'm sure they were. If he told you it than I can testify that it was the truth. Even if you'd have broght your own guage it wouldn't have read any different. The crack is not his fault and as no warranty is implied in a used motor the responsibility for finding it was not his but yours. We have all bought stuff that once recirved and used did not work out for us or broke. It happens but to imply that it is the seller's fault in this case is defamation when clearly you own the responsiblity for having checked it. And to say you mad that you were told it had never been opened? He never had opened it. what did you expect him to do? use clarvoiant powers to channel the previous owner's soul and ask him if he's ever had any work done on the block or heads? If it ain't in the glove box when you get it in these circumstances then your just guessing as to what if any mods have been done. Should he have guessed them for you?

[specboatops]

Bring it on! I go out almost every weekend so just shoot me a pm. If you need a place to stay, let me know.:thumbsup: take care man. The motor is in the good hands of Ruck. Should be a rippa.

:thumbsup::thumbsup: Very cool offer, Thank you! We'll definatley be in touch ....can't wait to see yours all back together. Hows King Gill doin ?? I don't see him on here to much anymore.


Chris

[Sonik]

:thumbsup::thumbsup: Very cool offer, Thank you! We'll definatley be in touch ....can't wait to see yours all back together. Hows King Gill doin ?? I don't see him on here to much anymore.


Chris

I talk to Brad every now and again for no other reason to razz him about random shiz....he's doin' ok :thumbsup:

[madsnrn]

Ya, Brads alright. He has been really busy lately working and doing stuff around the house.

[madsnrn]

Here's the thing... he HAD never personally opened it. He told you he bought from a widow. The man who owned it was not alive to ask what all he'd had been done on it. Bart told you it had never been opened by him, and that was the truth. You say you're not looking for whose fault it is that you didn't get the exact motor that you want and then in the next sentence you use the word "blame"??? What do you think the word "blame" implies? FAULT. Its not his fault that you didn't tear it down and check to see that it was everything you wanted in a motor. He offered to assist you in taking it apart for inspection as he hadn't even seent the inside of it for himself and was probably curious to take a look before it moved on to a new owner and you didn't take him up on it. He gave you the compression readings that he took and you took them for good. Which I'm sure they were. If he told you it than I can testify that it was the truth. Even if you'd have broght your own guage it wouldn't have read any different. The crack is not his fault and as no warranty is implied in a used motor the responsibility for finding it was not his but yours. We have all bought stuff that once recirved and used did not work out for us or broke. It happens but to imply that it is the seller's fault in this case is defamation when clearly you own the responsiblity for having checked it. And to say you mad that you were told it had never been opened? He never had opened it. what did you expect him to do? use clarvoiant powers to channel the previous owner's soul and ask him if he's ever had any work done on the block or heads? If it ain't in the glove box when you get it in these circumstances then your just guessing as to what if any mods have been done. Should he have guessed them for you?
Ok. I stated my case. Take it as you may, but I believe I am right and he was in the wrong. My engine builder called today and the update was not good. I do not believe he didn't know of the damage and there is noting anyone can say to change my mind. The deal is done and there is nothing he is going to do for me. Ok, I can handle that. I just refuse to say he didn't know. I just can't wait till I run a good motor. Excited!
:thumbsup:

[sammythebull]

i got caught today piston stuck in #5 hole tore down (refreshend never blown) motor today and 5 pistons 15 over 1 30 over guess whos 30 over yes #5 fuel problem burnt piston on exhaust side and the best part is the #4 journal was wiped and assembled with new bearings and 3 different make of pistons so 6 new pistons and a sleeve and a crank , any body out there got a GOOD crank for 2.5 pro max and yes bought from a board member

[madsnrn]

i got caught today piston stuck in #5 hole tore down (refreshend never blown) motor today and 5 pistons 15 over 1 30 over guess whos 30 over yes #5 fuel problem burnt piston on exhaust side and the best part is the #4 journal was wiped and assembled with new bearings and 3 different make of pistons so 6 new pistons and a sleeve and a crank , any body out there got a GOOD crank for 2.5 pro max and yes bought from a board member
That sucks man. I feel your pain.

[sammythebull]

madsnrn your not alone in this and im sure you and i wont be the last. the piston thing im ok with it happens, its the #4 rod journal with a new bearing that chapped my azz

[skydog]

Ok. I stated my case. Take it as you may, but I believe I am right and he was in the wrong. My engine builder called today and the update was not good. I do not believe he didn't know of the damage and there is noting anyone can say to change my mind. The deal is done and there is nothing he is going to do for me. Ok, I can handle that. I just refuse to say he didn't know. I just can't wait till I run a good motor. Excited!
:thumbsup:

Man buddy good luck to you hope you get a killer running motor!!!! With it at Rucks he is a GOD it will be better than new!!! Tell Brad hi some time for me!



Skydog

[madsnrn]

Man buddy good luck to you hope you get a killer running motor!!!! With it at Rucks he is a GOD it will be better than new!!! Tell Brad hi some time for me!



Skydog

I have heard nothing but good things about ruck sooooo. I can't wait! You bringing that big bad twin runnin gas guzin pig up to Cassville this year or what? I'll let brad know buddy! Take care man!:thumbsup:

[skydog]

Yea i sure will!!! We can go for a ride, Brad liked it i think! :) You take care to buddy, keep your head up she will rock when all done!!! :) :) At least you just got one. Two of these time bombs kind of sucks.....

Skydog

[madsnrn]

Yea i sure will!!! We can go for a ride, Brad liked it i think! :) You take care to buddy, keep your head up she will rock when all done!!! :) :) At least you just got one. Two of these time bombs kind of sucks.....

Skydog

I wouldn't wana pay for two!:nonod: see ya soon man, and yes, I wana ride.:eek:

[skydog]

I wouldn't wana pay for two!:nonod: see ya soon man, and yes, I wana ride.:eek:

For sure buddy!!!:thumbsup:

[Ronny Jetmore]

It sucks. I bought a motor from a friend and dealer of 20 years that was "good" and when i ran it, it would not idle and would not wind to the top, so, pulled the compression readings, and it was 40 pounds shy on one cylinder. I asked him about it, and he said, no the motor was good. Anyway, he got me, and preyed on the fact that we were friends, and so i trusted him. I don't know if you are in the same situation, but i feel ya. I couldn't boat for 3 years after that because i had spent all my money and could not afford a rebuild at the tim.e

[Capt.Insane-o]

I have heard nothing but good things about ruck sooooo. I can't wait! :

He is THE MAN :)

[madsnrn]

He is THE MAN :)
I hope so!
:thumbsup:

[HStream1]

I hope so!
:thumbsup:

There is no hope needed. He is without question THE MAN. Just hope he is training someone to be as good as he is once he decides to retire. :thumbsup:

[madsnrn]

There is no hope needed. He is without question THE MAN. Just hope he is training someone to be as good as he is once he decides to retire. :thumbsup:

That's a good thing to hear! I hope this motor will last longer now.:D

[madsnrn]

Motor will be running by next weekend! Just got the pistons in today:thumbsup: top pinned of course.:thumbsup: I have not seen it yet but I gueSs ruck did a great job on the block. Can't wait!

[specboatops]

Motor will be running by next weekend! Just got the pistons in today:thumbsup: top pinned of course.:thumbsup: I have not seen it yet but I gueSs ruck did a great job on the block. Can't wait!

Ruck is the man, A little windy last few days but temps sure were nice :thumbsup:


Chris

[madsnrn]

Ruck is the man, A little windy last few days but temps sure were nice :thumbsup:


Chris

It was 81 on the lake yesterday.:thumbsup: Spring fever I guess. I wana go!!!!!!!!!!!!

[skydog]

Yea Ruck helped get my 280s up and running again, but even Ruck could not save the blocks with out putting sleeves in every hole. Thats all you can do. He did one sleeve in each motor; I still can remember that day like yesterday. Matt these motors are way way over ported for your boat. But i knew that WAY WAY before he told me, that’s for damn sure. When i put my same compression gage that read 155PSI when the stock 280s had about 160hours on them. Said 140 with about 8hrs on them i was in trouble.

Matt P.S. Bring on summer!! :) :)

[madsnrn]

ITS ALIVE!!!!!!! ITS ALIVE!!!!!! Started it for the first time. Did a little mod to the mid and the heads. Sounds BA! Cant wait till it is completely broken in so I can string it out:thumbsup:

[Maple Leaf]

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[hydrostreamvking4m]

Brian's
Is the man,He is best best all around go fast builder to be found in the merc's.The man know his chit.!
He has keep me up and running and running hard now for 3 back to back years.

He is also so help full to share info with other boaters.He's a guy you can always count on.

Your sure to have a fun summer now.:D

[mariah2]

Yea Ruck helped get my 280s up and running again, but even Ruck could not save the blocks with out putting sleeves in every hole. Thats all you can do. He did one sleeve in each motor; I still can remember that day like yesterday. Matt these motors are way way over ported for your boat. But i knew that WAY WAY before he told me, that’s for damn sure. When i put my same compression gage that read 155PSI when the stock 280s had about 160hours on them. Said 140 with about 8hrs on them i was in trouble.

Matt P.S. Bring on summer!! :) :)

Are the motors that you keep whinin' about the same ones you traded to AE21? He told a friend that they put 8 MPH on his boat and he's in love with 'em.:confused: If the rumors are right he took stock 280's off to run these.

[madsnrn]

Brian's
Is the man,He is best best all around go fast builder to be found in the merc's.The man know his chit.!
He has keep me up and running and running hard now for 3 back to back years.

He is also so help full to share info with other boaters.He's a guy you can always count on.

Your sure to have a fun summer now.:D
You talking about the guy that built the motor? He is VERY good. He does know his chit! Can't wait to talk to him again, just not to have him rebuild it. Lol. Brian is great!

[madsnrn]

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You got it! your the man. What did you have to do?

[king gill]

ITS ALIVE!!!!!!! ITS ALIVE!!!!!! Started it for the first time. Did a little mod to the mid and the heads. Sounds BA! Cant wait till it is completely broken in so I can string it out:thumbsup:

Hmmmmm....ok......You mean so I can can string it out ......Right????????Dont be lyin now:p:D:cheers:

[skydog]

King whats up buddy!!! :) :)

[king gill]

Not much Matt......just thought i would pop in quick...Josh told me Brian got his stuff done...Kinda gettin' a itchy pedal foot if ya know what I mean...Man its so great to get these rigs back out after a winter nap....cant wait...see ya soon man:thumbsup:Breakin the law.... Breakin the Law:D:cheers:

[madsnrn]

Hmmmmm....ok......You mean so I can can string it out ......Right????????Dont be lyin now:p:D:cheers:
I dont think you will be touching it this year.... If you add it all up, I have just about as much into my boat as you do in yours.:reddevil: